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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by kayjay69(m): 11:20am On Jul 20, 2021
anyone with half a brain knows that the growth index referred to in the letter includes amongst other things, revenue generated a.k.a money.
do the church have a right to fire him? certainly they do.
did he have a right to air it on social media? well there's no particular right or wrong with this, it is his choice really. i am indifferent.

we can pretend it does not, we can call it whatever we want but in the end we all know the truth deep down.

today's modern day churches are businesses and in my view they ought to be taxed for their non-church ventures and the administrators of these churches should stop using the church name as an umbrella to evade taxes, it is criminal and it is against what the good book preaches.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by temitope27(m): 11:21am On Jul 20, 2021
Sulele04:
omo iran kiran, baba e ni oloriburuku.
go and die
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:22am On Jul 20, 2021
This op is a joke
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:23am On Jul 20, 2021
KingOfAmebo:
You mean if people got saved in Winners Chapel Anambra branch and decided to relocate to Lagos then the pastor in-charge of Winners Chapel Anambra should be sacked for not meeting up to expectations (growth index).

Wether financial or population growth which will eventually translate to more money for the church, This decision by Oyedepo is a clear indication that he is all about winning money into his pocket and not winning souls for God.

By their fruits we are beginning to know them. Open your eyes people...emancipate yourself from mental and pocket slavery.

When it comes to religion we are number one on the list but when it comes to loving one another like it is thought in all religions we are the worst, We don't practice what we preach. Nigeria is very religious but an unholy country


Did you plant church for bishop Oyedepo? Are you the one that sent him?
If no , why will he need your advice on how he will run his mission ?
If you think Nigeria is very religious, wait till church Is planted in your house

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Oxanado54: 11:23am On Jul 20, 2021
see below

Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Phrankin(m): 11:24am On Jul 20, 2021
Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273
Very weak defence. If you were a lawyer, na hunger for kill you.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by BluntTheApostle(m): 11:26am On Jul 20, 2021
Supreme01:

Bros, have you read the scripture that says...
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.(Luke14:23)??
If you do not agree to this scripture...you're an antichristian.

That is the Parable of the Great Banquet.

It was directed at the Jews who were the ones originally invited to the Feast in Heaven.

The Jews made excuses, and Christ (the master) extended His hands to the Gentiles.

Nowhere in that Parable did the master tell the servants, "bring people to my house or be relieved of your duty"

If the Gentiles had also failed to come, Christ would have raised the stones, not sack the servants.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by emapeteum(m): 11:26am On Jul 20, 2021
This your write up is like begging the question.where they made pastors out of the blue?Does the church requires certain percentage of revenue to be sent to the headquarters?If not, why emphasis on tithe and offering? are you aware that Redeem requires 60% to be sent to the headquarters?pls stop defending heresy that is going on in Pentecostal churches today

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Techguy96(m): 11:29am On Jul 20, 2021
Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273
You wrote this long piece without even carrying out investigation and watching the video.

There is a video in circulation, the pastor was sack because his church wasn't remitting enough money for his upkeep.
They pay his monthly salary and house allowance but the money his church produce monthly was not up to what was spent on him, so the church had to drop him, he said they were about forty of them from different winners branch.

It's clearly about money.

Don't be deceived.

You may not be aware but most if these big church branch are now franchise. A pastor can build a church then bargain with a popular church like redeem or winners to use their name and in return give them a certain percent of his profit.

You really dunno what going on.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by kingxsamz(m): 11:30am On Jul 20, 2021
Church is a business. Anybody that wants to cry about it should cry.
Cry from now till next year, it'll always be a business center. Only Sheeples and GO worshippers like you that'll feel the need to defend their "daddy's" enterprise.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by ObaKlaz: 11:32am On Jul 20, 2021
NwaliE01:


Including people like you. You’re fortunate I don’t know you in person.
I would have single handedly make sure you follow me to church.

Saul was more stringent and mean in destroying believers of Jesus Christ until God touched him and he was named Paul and he became a bold evangelist of Jesus Christ.

Souls are perishing everyday and my desire is to ensure that more souls are won to the Kingdom of God.


If you’re a believer, join me in this conquest brother.
Shalom!
On a lighter note, was Saul actually renamed to Paul?
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by foreshore(m): 11:32am On Jul 20, 2021
Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

Teach them bro, cos they don't know.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:35am On Jul 20, 2021
livingchrist:
The fruit John was talking about in Matthew is Repentance.

Matthew 3:8-12 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Jesus will not cast a Christian out because he had bad works no, only that his works will be burnt up but he will be saved.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


The fruit that will make a man to be cast out is the fruit of unrepentance from unbelief such as the pharisees and the jewish religious leaders have.

A fig tree was cursed for not bearing fruit despite that it was not in its season. The fig tree could have had a lot of excuse if it were a human cos it was not its season . Yet the Master cursed it not willing to entertain excuses. Have you read about the parables of the The Talents, and what the Master said to the one who couldn't produce fruit ?
Matthew 25:14
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard

man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: {25:25} And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine. {25:26} His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: {25:27} Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. {25:28} Take therefore the talent from him, and give [it] unto him which hath ten talents. {25:29} For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. {25:30} And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by BePrepared: 11:35am On Jul 20, 2021
adebayo201:


The Pastor probably wants to hire an online barrister if the law who won't charge him much...

Moreso, they need people who are online's sympathy. They will share half baked story and leave you to finish the rest from your end.


We go dey alright last last.

Exactly, half baked stories so that the anti church society will have a merry feast, I really pity the pastor cos he doesn't know what he did to himself, bringing ridicule to the church Jesus bought with his own precious blood.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by emerged01(m): 11:35am On Jul 20, 2021
BluntTheApostle:


Are you telling me that the Church don't tax these former loiterers?

My brother, however you look at it, it is about tithes and offerings. Even those who are unemployed are still subtly threatened into making offerings.


I don’t know about other churches,in winner chapel,no one cares about your tithe and offering. It is about your Will. You can make yourself available and see things for yourself.
I started winner chapel in 1993. There are some many factors that made me stopped going. My mum is still an elder till today.
Bro,if you are a good Christian you shouldn’t be threatened to make offerings or tithe before you do so.
About the loiters you are talking about,if you know how church help them to get back on their feet you will appreciate the church and overlook the offering part. Those loiters are even wishing to do more than offering because they see reason to do so but to us we called “brainwashed”, Those that are with no family finds family in the church, they became happy again. Tell me why won’t they make offering when they see the impart of the church on their lives. If it is business to you,it is business.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Techguy96(m): 11:37am On Jul 20, 2021
Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] A religion that is more than 2000 years old is what is about to die? Baba, your mumu no get part 2
Christianity will not survive the next one thousand yrs, while Islam 1500 yrs. And both religion will gradually die off.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Adakintroy: 11:37am On Jul 20, 2021
What do you mean by "growth index" in a christains or winners ministerial sense.

Lets start from there. I don't want to criticise anyone yet. So let's it be a discussion
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Dico4G: 11:41am On Jul 20, 2021
I feel and think that we have not heard it all from both sides. Who feels it knows it.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:42am On Jul 20, 2021
Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.
U got it wrong totally. U didn't read where the wrote dat dey will have to give dem souvenirs to ginger them coming next time. In my church we pay transport for members that dont have.
The question is, how does the church generate it finances cos we dont produce and sell physical goods. Its willing donations from those who have. Nobody is forcing u to bring money


Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Image123(m): 11:43am On Jul 20, 2021
kingxsamz:
Church is a business. Anybody that wants to cry about it should cry.
Cry from now till next year, it'll always be a business center. Only Sheeples and GO worshippers like you that'll feel the need to defend their "daddy's" enterprise.

You seem like the one doing the wailing and teeth gnashing here. It has always been the Father's business. It a business that dwells on productivity, some 30 fold, some 60 fold, some 100 fold. The OP and those that have the interest are only trying to enlighten you not to think only in 1D.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Image123(m): 11:45am On Jul 20, 2021
Techguy96:

Christianity will not survive the next one thousand yrs, while Islam 1500 yrs. And both religion will gradually die off.

You should be more concerned about you that can't survive the next 200 years.

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by kingxsamz(m): 11:46am On Jul 20, 2021
Image123:


You seem like the one doing the wailing and teeth gnashing here. It has always been the Father's business. It a business that dwells on productivity, some 30 fold, some 60 fold, some 100 fold. The OP and those that have the interest are only trying to enlighten you not to think only in 1D.

Lol, I don't ever even read your rants.
Cry. grin
https://www.nairaland.com/6626351/local-residents-claim-spotted-chicken#103241483
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by BluntTheApostle(m): 11:46am On Jul 20, 2021
emerged01:


I don’t know about other churches,in winner chapel,no one cares about your tithe and offering. It is about your Will. You can make yourself available and see things for yourself.
I started winner chapel in 1993. There are some many factors that made me stopped going. My mum is still an elder till today.
Bro,if you are a good Christian you shouldn’t be threatened to make offerings or tithe before you do so.
About the loiters you are talking about,if you know how church help them to get back on their feet you will appreciate the church and overlook the offering part. Those loiters are even wishing to do more than offering because they see reason to do so but to us we called “brainwashed”, Those that are with family finds family in the church, they became happy again. Tell me why won’t they make offering when they see impart of the church in their lives. If it is business to you,it is business.


I am a former pastor, and I know how the business side of church runs because I also audited finances while pastoring.

If a church spends 1 million on rehabilitating loiterers, they must have gotten a budget of 10 million from their congregations in different branches.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by rollywise(m): 11:46am On Jul 20, 2021
Hahahaaaaaaaa..... My ribs ���




after4:
So doing God's work has to be with the church properties right?

Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:47am On Jul 20, 2021
Origin:
It's God's work, ordained ministers should not be sacked.....

There are several ways of impacting the youths and community, touching loves has nothing to do with full seats....


So if I don't come to your church, I can't be saved?

I can't be clothed fed helped??

Will the pastor's good works be lost or stopped once he is sacked?
The bible says cut off unproductive fruits. You cant be collecting salary
And u wont be able to do ur work. The evidence of winning souls for christ is through growth of membership.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by tivity101: 11:47am On Jul 20, 2021
Words well said. Any tree that beareth fruits not shall be cut off
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by extol1(m): 11:47am On Jul 20, 2021
Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.
a winner pastor was recently sacked in my area for impregnating a woman after divorcing his wife. most of them won't tell you their offence

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Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Stanchem029: 11:49am On Jul 20, 2021
foeedaba:
The reason the pastors were sacked is because they were guilty of embezzlement. The amount of money they send they send to headquarters every week does not correspond with the population of their congregation.
How many people people in the village can afford offering on Sundays?
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Nobody: 11:50am On Jul 20, 2021
malcom1X:



Winners chapel is not a church, it is a registered business under the Coperate Affairs Commission.


Kiss the truth.
Every organization is registered under CAC. Who be dis lama
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by desiredhome: 11:52am On Jul 20, 2021
Sulele04:

Church is a business, whether winner chapel or winners or redeem.

They are all business, whose sole aim is to maximize input of profits(tithes & offerings).
A true business men/women that derive their profits from the already poor/suffering masses......
Dangote and other wealthy business men have products/services they produce to generate income that also impact positively to the society, while these criminal pastorprenours turned their gullible/blind members to their products/source of income.......shame on all evil Nigerian fake pastors.......
The reason the more churches that springs up in the society the more crimes be society becomes...
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by Image123(m): 11:53am On Jul 20, 2021
kingxsamz:


Lol, I don't ever even read your rants.
Cry. grin
https://www.nairaland.com/6626351/local-residents-claim-spotted-chicken#103241483

You keep saying that, you must care so much. The other time it was a vow not to even reply at all. Get yourself together Samuel. Be mature enough to know what exactly you want, stop this reed behavior. Oh, one of your mentors is little Reed, i see.
Re: Why I Feel The Winners Chapel Sack Letter Is Not About Tithes And Offering by CodeTemplar: 11:53am On Jul 20, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

As much as we'd rather want to sugarcoat this and lie to ourselves, it's a glaring case of misplaced priorities.

The same church that is erecting structures that cost billions upon billions, yet it can't find money to pay those they employed to pastor their church branches, which are yet able to run itself.
[b]
If the same person in question now starts preaches the nonsense that people want to hear, and it leads to the rise in membership of the branch and consequently the finances of the church, they would retain him regardless and wouldn't have excuses not to collect the extra from the church. [/b]Now it's the flip side and they're trying to use grammer to confuse themselves not those who know the Truth.

This is the reason why many now are no longer preaching the Words of the Spirit but the words of the flesh, because that's what men want to hear.

They'd also sack Jesus because He would preach the Words of the Spirit regardless, even if it makes Him not to meet the church's so-called growth-index, but wisdom is justified of her children.

God bless.
Stop capping off your junk assumptions with "God Bless". Gods want all men saved. That calls for souls to be won. God also commanded tithes. Concluding that more money that would naturally come out of the perfect combination of more souls and tithes/seeds is the pastor's target is tantamount to rebelling against God through the pastor's obedience of God's commands.

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