Guidance is only by the God's Grace. Noah spent many years before winning small number of souls.

Why are you confused.. Okay, the person that call him sacked him, how is that your pain.
You no go sleep if you no get wetin to talk. You want show say you sabi bible.

Bluntemperor:


The sacked Pastor wanted a Social Media sympathy instead of crying to the Almighty God,who called him!
Has Pastor evercome in contact with Matt 28v19?
Has this Pastor ever read the book of Gospel of John 15v1&2?
No wander, Pastors, Evangelists and Apostles can equally be recruited by Men but not of God!

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

One day these una daddies go feed una raw shait and una go eat am lick plate.
Tufia

The idol of the heathen is silver and gold...the work of a man's hands.



quote author=Ishilove post=103880679]This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273[/quote]

Oyedepo promises prosperity and all his shiloh, handkerchiefs and anointing oils and preachings couldn't make his own pastor prosperous?

Every tree that does not bear fruit must be cut down.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

….but you are here on social media ranting about a Pastor who went on social media to rant.

Further, you are bearing false against the Pastor and falsely accusing him that he came to social media, when he was not the one that came to social media neither did he post anything on social media….rather it was others who interviewed him or had access to the interview that posted it on social media.

Hope you repent publicly on social media and to the Man of God for bearing false witness against him..Remember your own preachings about not touching God’s Anointing, hence you will bring a curse upon you…that Pastor is anointed.

God bless you sir, for this, thank God we still have people that sit down and think

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

I don't know why some deeply brainwashed religious clowns are finding it difficult to accept that church is a business and things like this happen.

When I was still a church goer years ago, the Anglican church I used to attend was given a target of 7million naira yearly. Anytime the church fails to remit up to that amount to diocese headquarters after the end of the year,the Venerable (Head pastor) either get redeployed or the church get suspended.


Cc ishilove and other brainwashed clowns that don't know what's happening in religious centres in this country.

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Even with the explanation, your focus is the money.

I know of a church where the Pastor wasn't paid a dime as salary but the concern of the Pastor was always the growth of the church. This one still collects salary and still went to social media to give half side of the story. Did he mention the state of the church he met and the result achieved after 4 years of being a pastor of the church? The answer is NO. He won't mention this but will focus on how to paint the other party bad. Money isn't the focus but winning souls for any serious and kingdom minded church.

It shows the so called Pastor joined the ministry for the purpose of making money.
May be a case of jobless man looking for pastoral job.
They joined the ministry less than a year and were exposed.
Many have joined the ministry for more than 30years and are still waxing stronger in the ministry.
Glory be to God

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

The pastor coming online to rant might be a way off .

Am a parish pastor of a pentecostal church , a lot of pressure on me to make sure the church grow both numerically and financially ..... I understand it's my work as a pastor to do so but sometimes it's always too much on me

apart from the first year rent that was paid by the area headquarters and chairs and old drum set provided from the start ..... no more contribution from the area headquarters


It has all been , I should know how the church will grow in both ways .

I only have five families and I as their Pastor know what they all pass through....... They tell me about their sufferings and the senior pastor want me to use the bible to make sure they bring out compulsorily from the members c


Almost all the fund realized from the church goes to the National, regional, provincial purse ..... practically NO REBATE.

I PAY THE RENT OF THE CHURCH MYSELF


HOW DO YOU WANT THE CHURCH TO GROW WHEN there is not cash in the parish ?


AM A PART TIME PASTOR

BluntTheApostle:


Heaven is not about numbers.

Please, let us fear the Lord, and stop perverting His word.

Christ was never concerned about the number, and salvation is not useless without people.

Let everyone turn against Christ, and watch the stones praise Him.

You think He feeds on your praise?

If God was about numbers, He would have forgiven Satan. In fact, everyone would make Heaven.

Yet, He has made the Road so narrow and filled with thorns that only a few would find it.

It is the Devil who actually wants numbers because he doesn't want to suffer alone, and wants to take as many people down with him as possible.

Stop turning d Bible upside down, Salvation is definitely about people nd number.
Salvation is not meant for stones , but human being.
God gave his only begotten son to bring many sons unto glory.
The Bible says go into world nd preach d gospel to people , not things.
It is people that get saved, not things.
So the kingdom of God nd making heaven is all about number.
The Bible says I wished that all men be saved.
Why would God gave his only begotten son if it's about numbers?

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

The pastor coming online to rant might be a way off .

Am a parish pastor of a pentecostal church , a lot of pressure on me to make sure the church grow both numerically and financially ..... I understand it's my work as a pastor to do so but sometimes it's always too much on me

apart from the first year rent that was paid by the area headquarters and chairs and old drum set provided from the start ..... no more contribution from the area headquarters


It has all been , I should know how the church will grow in both ways .

I only have five families and I as their Pastor know what they all pass through....... They tell me about their sufferings and the senior pastor want me to use the bible to make sure they bring out compulsorily from the members c


Almost all the fund realized from the church goes to the National, regional, provincial purse ..... practically NO REBATE.

I PAY THE RENT OF THE CHURCH MYSELF


HOW DO YOU WANT THE CHURCH TO GROW WHEN there is not cash in the parish ?


AM A PART TIME PASTOR

DeepSight:
. . . And the money.

most definitely the money !

Tobechuckwu:

Stop turning d Bible upside down, Salvation is definitely about people nd number.
Salvation is not meant for stones , but human being.
God gave his only begotten son to bring many sons unto glory.
The Bible says go into world nd preach d gospel to people , not things.
It is people that get saved, not things.
So the kingdom of God nd making heaven is all about number.
The Bible says I wished that all men be saved.
Why would God gave his only begotten son if it's about numbers?

You are the one turning the Bible upside down. Salvation has nothing to do with people and Numbers. The New Covenant agreement that Jesus Christ represents is between God and the individual, not peoples or nations or groups of any kind.

Also Jesus Christ already hinted severally that only a few will make it out of a multitude who will attempt to enter into His Heaven. That there clearly spells out for you that it is indeed not about the numbers but about the quality of the candidates - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Do not confuse what you see of Christianity today with the Truth of God.

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ [b]never asked anyone to win souls nor did He even hint at it being possible for anyone to "win" souls. [/b]The command was that you go out and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world.

As for bearing fruits... be sure to visit the context to comprehend the message that Jesus Christ has given to you.

Can you tell us what Jesus Christ meant when he told Peter and Andrew: "come and I shall make you fishers of men" in Matthew 4 verse 19?

The problem is that many of you do not read your bibles and you come out to utter a lot of garbage. What in the world are you talking about?

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

what is it about then?

Kobojunkie:
You are the one turning the Bible upside down. Salvation has nothing to do with people and Numbers. The New Covenant agreement that Jesus Christ represents is between God and the individual, not peoples or nations or groups of any kind.

Also Jesus Christ already hinted severally that only a few will make it out of a multitude who will attempt to enter into His Heaven. That there clearly spells out for you that it is indeed not about the numbers but about the quality of the candidates - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Do not confuse what you see of Christianity today with the Truth of God.

Your knowledge of the bible and things of God is so narrow, it is baffling. Go and read the book of Acts from beginning to the end and dispel this warped mentality you project here.

stagger:

Can you tell us what Jesus Christ meant when he told Peter and Andrew: "come and I shall make you fishers of men" in Matthew 4 verse 19?

The problem is that many of you do not read your bibles and you come out to utter a lot of garbage. What in the world are you talking about?

Oh, So when Jesus Christ said "fishers of men" you interpret that to mean "soul winning"? How did you make that leap?

Are you implying Jesus Christ trained us to go catching men for Him? That somehow Jesus Christ gave us a net of some sort with which to go catch men with?

I honestly do not follow so help me understand how telling you that He will make you "fishermen" into "fishers of men" implies "soul winning".

jesusjnr2020:
The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

As much as we'd rather want to sugarcoat this and lie to ourselves, it's a glaring case of misplaced priorities.

The same church that is erecting structures that cost billions upon billions, yet it can't find money to pay those they employed to pastor their church branches, which are yet able to run itself.

If the same person in question now starts preaches the nonsense that people want to hear, and it leads to the rise in membership of the branch and consequently the finances of the church, they would retain him regardless and wouldn't have excuses not to collect the extra from the church. Now it's the flip side and they're trying to use grammer to confuse themselves not those who know the Truth.

This is the reason why many now are no longer preaching the Words of the Spirit but the words of the flesh, because that's what men want to hear.

They'd also sack Jesus because He would preach the Words of the Spirit regardless, even if it makes Him not to meet the church's so-called growth-index, but wisdom is justified of her children.

God bless.

Is it a ministry that has over 35,000 workers they pay monthly u are talking about?
What's his work if he can't go out to win souls when the founder himself goes out to win soul.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

he was given a sack letter, was asked to vacate his apartment immediately, car and other properties of the church given to him collected. he was stripped dry and he cried out and you are here trying to defend the oppressor because u have been brainwashed? gosh!

if it was a private company that did this to its staff and d said staff cries out on social media, will you say what u just said?

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

No my brother we go for the lost the places I go for evangelism, I don't go there without least 2k on me and every Sunday I transport my converts to and fro church and give them refreshments as my pockets can carry. We don't go after already made we bring I the lost and groom them in the word and then they take their place in christ.

Sulele04:
There is a Yoruba saying, "if lies is what will make sleep well at night, tell lies as long as it makes you sleep well."

Church growth kor Tithe growth ni.

Church is a business own this fact, nobody is saying you should stop worshiping a white Jesus.

If there is no tithe or offering, church crashes, same way if there is no customer supermarket closes up.

What is church growth; more customers(followers), more tithes (revenue).

Sayfini.
Awon nanamu .

simple!

malcom1X:



Did you not read the part were he was fired and told to return all properties of the church?

How do you want him to invest more in God's work again?

That he doesn't work with living faith doesn't mean his ministry has ended. He can also open his own church.

stagger:

Your knowledge of the bible and things of God is so narrow, it is baffling. Go and read the book of Acts from beginning to the end and dispel this warped mentality you project here.

Is Jesus Christ not the Law inthe Kingdom of God? Are His Words not that which we are called to live by - Matthew 4 vs 4?

Why do I need to read the book of Acts which the Law Himself declsred that it is not about Numbers but about quality? Is the Word of God meant to be changed according to the declarations of men?

What is warped is that you subject God's Law to Man's opinions and examples.

It's just that we live in an age of quick rewards without labour. People want it all now, without sacrifice. Just because it's a church based organization, some people feel that they can come into the system and shout hallelujah, then collect pension and live in free house for the rest of their lives and keep receiving prophet offering. No labour, no accountability, nothing. The world just doesn't work like that.
We are used to this civil servant lifestyle in Nigeria, where KPI'S are not measured and no one is accountable to anyone.
Even the Bible talks about punishment awaiting angels that have refused to keep their first assignment. Jesus also spoke the parable of separating the wheat from the chaff. In the first place, those guys should never have been pastors.

evrything happen for a reason

belovedsonofGod:
The dismissed branch pastor did a mistake by reporting on social media.

It represents the kind of person he is.

I understand he was hurt. But again, that shouldn't be an excuse.

There are things one has to overlook, let go and move on.

many people go on social media to vent thier plight when they feel they have been unjustly sacked or mistreated by their bosses. we have many cases like that and threads have been created here on similar cases. so why is this one a mistake?

oh lemmi guess, your lord and personal savior, daddy G.O was mentioned.

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Yes Pls. Get Understanding and don't be driven by ur Misgivings,Pls... The Task of Salvation is War and very Demanding...but without Lethal Force,Pls. "KNOWING THE TERROR OF GOD ALMIGHTY AT THE JUDGEMENT SEAT...WE PERSUADE MEN TO COME INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD..." HELLFIRE IS REAL AND ETERNAL...BELIEVE IT OR NOT...

fof1:
Yes Pls. Get Understanding and don't be driven by ur Misgivings,Pls... [b]The Task of Salvation is War and very Demanding...but without Lethal Force,[/b]Pls. "KNOWING THE TERROR OF GOD ALMIGHTY AT THE JUDGEMENT SEAT...WE PERSUADE MEN TO COME INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD..." HELLFIRE IS REAL AND ETERNAL...BELIEVE IT OR NOT...

The task of Salvation is war? Who send you this war you speak of?

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

Mathew 7:9 simply talk about repentance and salvation, read verse 8 and 10 to get the real interpretation and not Sack. it talk about those that refused to give their life to christ.

Moreover, most people don't know the responsibility of the pastor. it is not the responsibility of the pastor to win a soul to the church but to water the souls that had been won, though the bible says go ye to the world which means all Christians can win a soul through preaching the word of God but not the primary role of a pastor. It is primary role of an evangelist is to win souls/ bring people to church through Christ and pastor continue it from there.