Good day to you all.
I assume we all know the story of how the curses came to be. Anyways here's a recap. Adam and Eve, who were the first humans, were created by Yahweh and put in a garden full of different trees that beared many different fruits. Yahweh then warned them that they can eat from all tree except one. Eve then -allowed herself to be- talked into eating that specific fruit by a talking snake and later gave Adam the fruit and he too ate it. When Yahweh came and discovered what they did he was understandably livid so he decided to lay a curse on not only them but all who'll come after them. Genesis 3 is where the curses are. Let's see them:

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So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
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And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
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To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
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To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, `You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
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It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
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By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."[/b]

As you can see, these are curses that not only makes life very difficult for these two but also their offsprings.
Since these curses were put upon these humans by an omnipotent and omniscient entity that created them you'd assume the curse wouldn't possibly have a workaround, at least not through non spiritual means.

it may be shocking to Christians when they find out now there are ways of living one's life without experiencing the effects of these curses layed by this entity. Let's examine them

Money! You heard that right, with money one can live all life without having to struggle to feed or give birth to children without pain of childbirth.

Let's first face the curse put on man saying he'd have to struggle to eat and he might even struggle and not get any food to eat but we can see that with enough money one can go an entire lifetime without struggling to do it. Let's take a family like the Walton Family. The children and grandchildren of Alice Walton wouldn't know what struggling to feed mean as far as their lives are concerned. Feeding would never be a problem to them at all. Anyone born into generational wealth and died in it wouldn't even feel that curse at all.


To the Eve curse. The curse about her having to go through excruciating pain just to have children while true in the past can now be done through science without going through any pain at all. If a woman now has enough money she and her husband can hire a gestational surrogate mother. Doctors would then take an egg from the wife and sperm from the husband and then place the embryo into the uterus of a gestational surrogate. This surrogate then carries the baby to term and gives birth. Here's where the magic then happens, The baby if tested for DNA would not match that of the woman that gave birth to it and went through all the pangs, spitting, morning sickness, mood swings, water breaking, labour and tearing but rather match that of the husband and wife. so the wife has a child without going through any form of pain. This is what many female movie stars are now doing so they can have all the kids without any of the pain and body changes that comes with it.

For the other curse about the snake and the woman's offspring saying the snake would be attacking humans and humans would in turn try to kill snakes. Civilisation and scientific improvements has now made snakes not to be considered amongst the animals feared most by humans. Infrastructural development has grown leaps and bounds from the hut and bushes era of the Bible so much so that most children of today would most likely not see a live snake all their lives except they go to a zoo let alone attack or get attacked by one. Most Lagosian children of nowadays for instance have not seen a snake except in movies etc and the chances of seeing one gets smaller and smaller as the nation develops more and Lagos is not as developed as the places like New York City, London, Paris, Tokyo etc. the more developed a place is the less the chances of its inhabitants encountering snakes in uncontrolled environments.


so in summary with money and technological advancements the curses from Yahweh on Adam and Eve's offsprings are getting worked around by humans of this century and it would only get easier in the future which begs the question how can an omniscient and omnipotent entity lay a curse that can be loopholed through non spiritual means?

I think this lends credence to the idea that this book Christians say they revolve their lives around is not inspired by any knowledgeable entity but they just observed what was happening at the time then tried to make sense of it by telling themselves that some entity is the one that made their women go through painful childbirth and their men having to plant and struggle to feed and having thorns disrupt their farming. They saw snakes attacking them on their farms, they had no antivenom and they were dying so they built a story around what must've caused it. just like we created stories around why a tortoise's shell looks like a smooth shell that got shattered then hastily glued together.
Or what do our Christians think about this post? is there something I'm missing?

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hopefulLandlord:


As you can see, this is a curse that not only makes life very difficult for these two but also their offsprings.
Since these curses were put upon these humans by an omnipotent and omniscient entity you'd assume the curse wouldn't possibly have a workaround.

Talking Rubbish as usual! No one could beat it Until God let "the Comforter", Noah, Come.

And it was because Noah did prevail over the evils of this world, therefore God used him to restart man as He remade the world.

Then God lifted ONLY THE CURSE OF THE GROUND, IN HIS HEART.

BUT AS PROVEN BY MATERNAL DEATHS AND DIFFICULTY IN BEARING CHILDREN, THE CURSE IS STILL VERY MUCH IN EFFECT AND MONEY DID NOT SOLVE IT,

Rather in your bid to pursue money, you are even more cursed for FIRST, IT IS VERY HARD TO AQCUIRE, AS CURSED

Then, upon acquisition of it , it disappears. Then you kill yourself with work to pursue it or keep it (what a suffering) yet it is yet again difficult to catch, AS CURSED!

Then, set another trap for those who He allows to catch it, eg Hushpuppy, Ekweremadu and co,

It is because you are poor that is why you think money beats the Curse but you do not know that it is even a worser.

Men, you jus dey try to encourage yourself make you no commit suicide.

Na lie, you must die in sufferness any way you take.

^ bro, can you say something germane?

Funny atheists!

I've said it before, that the Christian God has one of the worst damage control measures to ever exist.

It's evidently clear that the human condition is much better now than it was about 10,000 years ago.

You can leave your house without the fear of being mauled by a bear, or a pack of lions. Diseases like that would instantly mean death in the past are pretty much way easier to treat today, or downright non-existent.

Meanwhile, the one thing the Christian God claimed to solve, which is sin, still runs rampant today. Both the "saved" and the "unsaved" experience life in the same, or similar ways. His followers have to give themselves hope based on a second coming that never happens.

And ironically, the nations that are the most riddled with poverty and disease, and strife, tend to be the most religious ones. The ones that still hold on to their book in hopes of a miracle that never happens.

Indoctrinated theists!

MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheists!

Really?

This is diiiip...

Omoh thinking no dey finish

that's some deep thinking.

hopefulLandlord:


Really?

If the majority of Adam's descendants are affected then it's still in effect!

Any sane person knows that adam is a mythology.

Insightful

The Adam and Eve tale is simply Jewish creation mythology.

Every culture on earth has their creation myth.

Humans have told always stories about how they came to be. It's just a way we came make sense of things.

MaxInDHouse:


If the majority of Adam's descendants are affected then it's still in effect!

You are not Adams descendants you ignoramus. Adam comes from you.


What race was Adam?

1Sharon:
The Adam and Eve tale is simply Jewish creation mythology.

Every culture on earth has their creation myth.

Humans have told always stories about how they came to be. It's just a way we came make sense of things.

Yet it is the mythology that explains why you people can not get pregnant or marry or why Life on earth is hard and why you are less than a man.

Lying to yourself does not change real eyeity that life is horrible for Cursed daughters of Eve

ATEAMS:
This is diiiip...

Omoh thinking no dey finish

Thinking is free but after all your thinking, life would still be hard for you and all your days shall still be full of sorrow as God has Cursed.

Wilgrea7:
I've said it before, that the Christian God has one of the worst damage control measures to ever exist.

It's evidently clear that the human condition is much better now than it was about 10,000 years ago.

Is that how much you have been deceiving yourself? When people have become tired of saying "things were not like this before".

Dtruthspeaker:


Yet it is the mythology that explains why you people can not get pregnant or marry or why Life on earth is hard and why you are less than a man.

Lying to yourself does not change real eyeity that life is horrible for Cursed daughters of Eve

Did you read the OP at all?

With technology and science, your useless god's curses can be circumvented.

We humans are the gods.

It took humans to end slavery.

The head transplant will soon be a thing and quadriplegics will begin to walk.

Aging will be reversed and humans will be forever young.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is that how much you have been deceiving yourself? When people have become tired of saying "things were not like this before".

I'll be honest. I find your selective, out-of-context quoting to prove a false point to be utterly repulsive.

If you cannot address my argument in it's entirety, then please stop quoting me. Nothing in your response here relates to the points I raised.

Consider this my last response to these sort of sneaky antics.

ATEAMS:
This is diiiip...
Omoh thinking no dey finish

thanks sir

The curse is in full effect. Even in times of old, kings lived off the sweat of others and lived luxuriously.
The sons of Levi too lived off the offerings.

What God meant in the curse was the need to struggle for things generally unlike in the garden of Eden where is was all easy. Animals where all subjective to man and needed no domestication. It was a little or almost zero effort garden.

CodeTemplar:
The curse is in full effect. Even in times of old, kings lived off the sweat of others and lived luxuriously.
The sons of Levi too lived off the offerings.

What God meant in the curse was the need to struggle for things generally unlike in the garden of Eden where is was all easy. Animals where all subjective to man and needed no domestication. It was a little or almost zero effort garden.

Where is your source that this ever happened

Wilgrea7:

I'll be honest. I find your selective, out-of-context quoting to prove a false point to be utterly repulsive.


If you cannot address my argument in it's entirety, then please stop quoting me. Nothing in your response here relates to the points I raised.

Consider this my last response to these sort of sneaky antics.

I have told you before that I argue based on issues . So I raise up the specific issue I am interested in arguing, and argue from there.

And when I spot any wrong or untrue statement in a post, I will raise it up by cutting out all the distractive and deviating things you say at the first to focus on the main issue of your post which is relevant to the thread.

So if your post is True and Valid then you have nothing to complain about my raising up my specific interest in your post.

And I have been doing this I came on nairaland and everyone understands wnd clearly see what I have done and it has made arguments very clear and conclusive (I do not participate in endless foolish arguments).

So, you are only finding it repulsive because you now real eyes that you would not be able to run all over the world changing post and going off point in order to defend the shitty and untrue thing you said.

1Sharon:


Did you read the OP at all?

With technology and science, your useless god's curses can be circumvented.

And I have answered that just as soon as they thought they had circumvented it, their problems increased, AND THE HARDSHIP AND CURSE BITES EVEN HARDER AS IT CONTINUES.

And it is because you people are poor that you imagine that it is working as you blind yourself to not see that only 2% of the world population are able to even have a chance at testing these inventions.

And 2/100 is a failure.

1Sharon:


Where is your source that this ever happened

I am an example. Work comes to meet me in my house, office, party, play, when taking a walk etc Since I learnt what The Lord was teaching, I have never struggled for anything. It just falls into my hands as soon as I need it exactly as God Promised.

1Sharon:

What race was Adam?

Ask the OP he mentioned Adam first!

1Sharon:


Where is your source that this ever happened

a book written by goatherders who had no idea where the sun went at night

hopefulLandlord:
a book written by goatherders who had no idea where the sun went at night

But you came QUOTING it to reason with people, why not quote something else?

Dtruthspeaker:


I am an example. Work comes to meet me in my house, office, party, play, when taking a walk etc Since I learnt what The Lord was teaching, I have never struggled for anything. It just falls into my hands as soon as I need it exactly as God Promised.

You're special, congrats.

MaxInDHouse:


But you came QUOTING it to reason with people, why not quote something else?

Ridiculous
Even today people use the word, sunrise and sunset. We know the sun does not rise or set but that is the same term in modern geography. Who is he fooling?

Aemmyjah:

Ridiculous
Even today people use the word, sunrise and sunset. We know the sun does not rise or set but that is the same term in modern geography. Who is he fooling?

My brother don't mind this idiots, when they want to go insane they will shun reasonableness and embrace nonsense!