Odidigboigbo:
For your information, he started his ministry from the North and his ministry still has strong presences there. He can't be everywhere at the same time. The ministry do send out missionaries to areas open to Churches and he do visit there for ministration. The ministry are in the afore mentioned countries and missioners are there. It's good to asks questions.

With such great works, what is the ratio of the Muslim population in Nigeria? Tell this your story to the Marines. Do you really know what it is to be a true soldier for Christ? Read more books and get exposed beyond your immediate environment. I leave in the North for more than 6 years and I know where these Churches are located.

phemmyfour:
It's a dead argument even before you start

This is how people with less knowledge about a particular subject reason. am not surprised!

MaxInDHouse:


There are GIFTS of God's Holy Spirit as well as FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.

The GIFTS has stopped since 2,000 years ago so don't let anyone deceive you that you can have any supernatural gift because it has ceased! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

But as for the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit this one will continue to time indefinite that's why Jesus foretold that it's by the FRUIT (not GIFTS) of different sects you will know which is of God and which is not of God! Matthew 7:15-18

If you want further clarification feel free to ask!

Who is this Antichrist?

2 Timothy 3:1,5,7 KJV
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

LadyExcellency:

Who is this Antichrist?
2 Timothy 3:1,5,7 KJV
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

See mumu!

So you have the form of godly devotion that you aren't denying shey?

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself you misconstrued that verse, it simply means you people are mocking God as you claim you're all Christians yet with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines you go about telling others they will not go to heaven with you simply because they refused to accept your confusion!

Eph 5:18 there are stages of infilling of the holy spirit hence you can be halfway filled ,fully filled(fulness),running over (overflowing in spirit).The speaking in tongues can be made manifest at the fulness (seldomly) stage or mostly at the overflowing stage .That doesn't mean if you haven't gotten to that stage you don't have the holy spirit.
Literally when we pour out water into a cup with a drop of water we say there is water in the cup same way when the cup is full.Moreso,the bubbling sound (tongues) is heard more clearly and louder when the cup is full and while it's running over while they are been filled from the source (God)..Joel 2:28,Act 2:17...And we can understand this better from the point of the view of this song writer who sang "fill my cup Lord". thanks

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself!
If he wants to preach he doesn't need social media to publish himself it's individuals living in that area that will speak to others how Mr David came to visit them at home on foot with another partner just as Jesus sent his disciples to do {Luke 10:1} if you want to be sincere with yourself do you think what social media could publicize is without armed security guards following your Papa?

That is my I asked you to find out from those living in the area and stop being petty. You are the one that asked for proves, which I shared with you. He wasn't the one that put this in social media but the public. The man himself don't publicise his works, you can see any of such in his social media pages. I don't stay in Sango but I have witnessed him preached in public places in two different occasions

elated177:
What are you on about? What experience did you mean?




Ok! You mean you spoke in tongues? So, was it Greek, Japanese, Spanish, etc?

I spoke in Ibibio, Yoruba, etc without learning them. I sing the same songs in diverse languages also including Nigerian and foreign languages as the Holy Spirit gives utterances.

I speak in the diversity of tongues.

Do you want more testimony?

Jackanda1:
Please i do not welcome comments from atheist on this thread. Thanks

In 2011/2012 after i had given my life to christ. A young man in my church asked me if i had recieved the infilling of the holyspirit, i said no. He promised to pray for me.

A certain day, i think on a saturday, after church service, he laid hands on me in the name of Jesus and prayed in tongues.

The next thing that happened is that i got up from the hard floor of the church. I didn't feel any pain nor did i remember falling. I didn't speak in tongues either. But i had a lot of faith and was happy and believed i had been filled with the holyspirit.

I understand that you are aquinted with the spirit once you're born again, but there is an infilling or baptism of the spirit different from the born again experience.(Acts8:15-17)

So, did i recieve the infilling of the spirit at that time? Is it possible to be filled/baptised with the holyspirit without recieving any of his gifts like speaking in tongues?

Eph 5:18 there are stages of infilling of the holy spirit hence you can be halfway filled ,fully filled(fulness),running over (overflowing in spirit).The speaking in tongues can be made manifest at the fulness (seldomly) stage or mostly at the overflowing stage .That doesn't mean if you haven't gotten to that stage you don't have the holy spirit.
Literally when we pour out water into a cup with a drop of water we say there is water in the cup same way when the cup is full.Moreso,the bubbling sound (tongues) is heard more clearly and louder when the cup is full and while it's running over while they are been filled from the source (God)..Joel 2:28,Act 2:17...And we can understand this better from the point of the view of this song writer who sang "fill my cup Lord". thanks

MaxInDHouse:


It's OK!

So go and teach your JW masters what you just learnt.
Tell them they've been hoodwinking you, while knowing the truth all along

emapeteum:

With such great works, what is the ratio of the Muslim population in Nigeria? Tell this your story to the Marines. Do you really know what it is to be a true soldier for Christ? Read more books and get exposed beyond your immediate environment. I leave in the North for more than 6 years and I know where these Churches are located.

So you are a soldier of Christ, have many souls have you won for Christ? What makes Oyedepo being a soldier of Christ more special than yours?

Jackanda1:
I think i understand your point now. Your idea of speaking in tongues is that it has to be an earthly language like chinese, Italian etc

In Acts2:6-11, during the penticost day when the disciples spoke in tongues, i believe the Holyspirit enabled them to speak in foreign languages or opened the ears of the foreigners to understand in their own languages with the aim of converting them to christ which was achieved in Act2:37.

Bro .... after knowing the above.... the guy who prayed for you in tongues ... how do you know who is was praying to?.... God or Satan? ... which Spirit got into you and knocked you down?... God or Satan? On the Day of Pentecost .... did anyone not know what the disciples were saying when they were speaking in tongues? Does anyone in your church knows what anyone is saying when others speak in tongue? Didn't the Bible say if there is no interpreter then the one speaking in tongues should shut up? Is the speaking in tongues in the church following what js outlined in the Bible? If not.... how can whatever spirit they attract be of God? You may very well be worshipping Satan and don't even know.

Yes it's possible.
Acts.1.7 - And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
But one thing is certain, and this is it: you cannot get Holly Ghost Baptism without Faith. Every other thing is commentary.

MaxInDHouse:

See mumu!

So you have the form of godly devotion that you aren't denying they?

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself you misconstrued that verse, it simply means you people are mocking God as you claim you're all Christians yet with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines you go about telling others they will not go to heaven with you simply because they refused to accept your confusion!

Please let's not change the topic or abuse ourselves.

Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you speak in tongues?

I ask because I do and I have it as a gift. Diverse tongues, can sing with them (same song) in local and foreign languages under the influence of the Holy Spirit. How do I deny reality and to you, what do you make of the testimony?

churchboy21:

Paul said it will cease, him no mention date n year oh… how u take arrived at 2000years brother… enlighten me abeg

churchboy21:
Bro I honestly don’t need to google abt Churches… U have a Bible… it’s in English,, I jux wanna knw how u got the 2000years ago thingy n why you are so sure of it

Your persistence is really choking me but what could i do?
Well let's study the Bible together:

The promises of supernatural gifts was for only the Israelites that's why you can never see anyone performing miraculous works in the Bible except Israelites. When Jesus walked the earth he emphatically told a none Israelites woman that supernatural gifts he has was mainly for the benefit of Israelites {Matthew 15:21-24} the prophecies regarding this GIFTS was for the Israelites only {Joel 2:28} at pentecost when this prophecy was fulfilled Peter reminded the Israelites that what they saw in them was what God promised all the children of Israel including those who have ran away due to oppression if they should accept Jesus as Christ the GIFTS will be theirs! Act 2:39

But the only connection between Israelites and this power is the apostles residing in Jerusalem that's why Jesus told them not to leave Jerusalem no matter the persecution from the Jews {Act 1:3-5} so throughout those days most of them were imprisoned and killed! Act 12:1-3

Despite all these the Apostles remained in Jerusalem according to the words of Jesus. Why? Because the power to those gift are tied to Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

But later the Christians were scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed in the first century by the Romans the Apostles weren't together anymore and the Jews were hunting them one by one until all of them were killed except John the apostle who wrote the last book {Revelations 1:1} because Jesus had promised him there's an assignment for him! John 21:22


So all those GIFTS ended just as apostle Paul said but the true disciples of Christ continue to have LOVE among themselves as everlasting sign of pure worship! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13

MadamExcellency:


Please let's not change the topic or abuse ourselves.

Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you speak in tongues?

I ask because I do and I have it as a gift. Diverse tongues, can sing with them (same song) in local and foreign languages under the influence of the Holy Spirit. How do I deny reality and to you, what do you make of the testimony?

Don't waste your time trying to lecture a Jehovah Witness. It's futile. Just pray for him.

MadamExcellency:


Please let's not change the topic or abuse ourselves.

Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you speak in tongues?

I ask because I do and I have it as a gift. Diverse tongues, can sing with them (same song) in local and foreign languages under the influence of the Holy Spirit. How do I deny reality and to you, what do you make of the testimony?

OK the other person is free to call others antichrist shey?

Why are you people just full of hypocrisy like this?

Antiochus:

Don't waste your time trying to lecture a Jehovah Witness. It's futile. Just pray for him.

No wahala we are making disciples for our own King continue deceiving yourself!

No body should deceive you that speaking in tongues is a prove of having the holy spirit.

chukwuoke:
■ Do good always physical and let your mind be always pure in every thing you do. Then Holy Spirit will always fall o you.

1. The spirit you describe as falling on you is not God’s holy spirit at all. You need to please get professional mental health counseling in order to understand exactly what it is you keep experiencing. It is probably a form of psychotic experience.

mattb1:
No body should deceive you that speaking in tongues is a prove of having the holy spirit.

Abracadabramamariboboboborimanaska!

Ọmọ shey you dey feel my vibes?

Jackanda1:


There is a different dimension of tongues that is not connected to earthly languages and cannot be understood by men but speaks mysteries in the spirit. Only someone with the gift of interpretation of tongues can explain it. Proof:1corinth14:2,13, 22-25.

Then what is the difference between the non earthly language you are referring to and Gibberish?

MaxInDHouse:


There are GIFTS of God's Holy Spirit as well as FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit.

The GIFTS has stopped since 2,000 years ago so don't let anyone deceive you that you can have any supernatural gift because it has ceased! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

But as for the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit this one will continue to time indefinite that's why Jesus foretold that it's by the FRUIT (not GIFTS) of different sects you will know which is of God and which is not of God! Matthew 7:15-18

If you want further clarification feel free to ask!

Brother if you say the "gift" are no longer around because Christ dead ended the gift in the lives of his followers why were the deciples performing miracles in his name after he was long gone, why did they prophecy eg 1timothy 4 v1---, how did they got to write the book of revelation, if the gift of revelation was ended with the arrival and dead of our Lord Jesus Christ, thanks

akan102:

Brother if you say the "gift" are no longer around because Christ dead ended the gift in the lives of his followers why were the deciples performing miracles in his name after he was long gone, why did they prophecy eg 1timothy 4 v1---, how did they got to write the book of revelation, if the gift of revelation was ended with the arrival and dead of our Lord Jesus Christ, thanks

I have addressed this but perhaps you didn't see it:

MaxInDHouse:

The promises of supernatural gifts was for only the Israelites that's why you can never see anyone performing miraculous works in the Bible except Israelites. When Jesus walked the earth he emphatically told a none Israelites woman that supernatural gifts he has was mainly for the benefit of Israelites {Matthew 15:21-24} the prophecies regarding this GIFTS was for the Israelites only {Joel 2:28} at pentecost when this prophecy was fulfilled Peter reminded the Israelites that what they saw in them was what God promised all the children of Israel including those who have ran away due to oppression if they should accept Jesus as Christ the GIFTS will be theirs! Act 2:39

But the only connection between Israelites and this power is the apostles residing in Jerusalem that's why Jesus told them not to leave Jerusalem no matter the persecution from the Jews {Act 1:3-5} so throughout those days most of them were imprisoned and killed! Act 12:1-3

Despite all these the Apostles remained in Jerusalem according to the words of Jesus. Why? Because the power to those gift are tied to Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

But later the Christians were scattered when Jerusalem was destroyed in the first century by the Romans the Apostles weren't together anymore and the Jews were hunting them one by one until all of them were killed except John the apostle who wrote the last book {Revelations 1:1} because Jesus had promised him there's an assignment for him! John 21:22


So all those GIFTS ended just as apostle Paul said but the true disciples of Christ continue to have LOVE among themselves as everlasting sign of pure worship! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13

No.

Stone03:



My case was similar. So many times during programs and crusades I will come out and be laid hands on for the baptism of the holy Spirit and I will go back feeling dejected and rejected for not speaking in tongues. After one vigil I attended and Holy Ghost baptism was conducted and I didn't receive, I vowed not to come out for it again.

One early morning in my room during my personal devotion, the power came and I found myself rolling on the floor speaking in tongues uncontrollably. I was alone and not yet married then.

So I believed I have received the Spirit but the gift of tongue did not come immediately. One thing the Holy Spirit does in us is igniting the love for personal fellowship, that explains why I fell in love with personal fellowship with God that resulted to the activation of speaking in tongues of

I envy you. I had an oppurtunity to grow my fellowship with the lord but i ruined it.

In all of these comments, many people seem to forget that the HOLY SPIRIT is not an INANIMATE entity but the third person of the GODHEAD and the ONE in charge of this earthly dispensation of man's relationship with GOD through JESUS CHRIST.

ACTS 1:8 reveals that without the HOLY SPIRIT dwelling in a believer's life, the Christian journey of POWER, TRUST, OBEDIENCE cannot be attained.

Speaking in tongues is the language of the Holy Spirit which every believer should desire to attain to because lack of it is a reflection of some levels of limitations to one's walk with God.

Intimacy with the Holy Spirit cannot be achieved without the ability to communicate with Him in His language. It's not every thing and every time the Holy Spirit would communicate to a believer via physical senses.

The Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit helps us to pray when we do not know what to pray for... that is as you pray in tongues. He may gradually lead you to the point of telling you the precise thing to pray about by dropping it to your heart or ears.

The HOLY SPIRIT is the POWER that CHRISTIANITY has right from the inception of the CHURCH in the Book of Acts till TODAY.

WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT in a believer's life, such believer remains BLIND, POWERLESS, WEAK, FEARFUL and a target of the devil.

To know about the Ministry of the HOLY SPIRIT... and the Gifts HOLY SPIRIT... first you need to be Born Again... John 3:16
The HOLY SPIRIT also bears the title 'GOD'... because HE is the THIRD in the TRINITY...1 John 5:7
For the believer the first impact of the HOLY SPIRIT is to bring repentance through the conviction of sins...John 16:8
The Fruit of the HOLY SPIRIT is the expected evidence of being Born Again in every believer... Galatians 5:22-23
While the Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT is the Spiritual impartation to enable a believer perform extraordinary acts to enhance the impacts of the Gospel to both the believers and the non-believers... Acts 1:8
Although, many Preachers have assumed that Speaking in Tongues (other unlearned languages) is the initial proof of receiving the Power or Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT... that is not in all the cases correct... below are some of the following Biblical reasons...
1. The HOLY SPIRIT has been there from the beginning... and have been effective in all named Biblical heroes of Faith... Hebrews 11
2. Some believers received the HOLY SPIRIT without Speaking in unlearned Languages... such as Paul... Acts 9:17,18
3. The Bible clearly states that not all believers that have received the Power of the HOLY GHOST can speak in tongues... 1 Corinthians 12:28-31

MaxInDHouse:


I have been lenient with your fellow Papa Oyedepo worshiper for long telling him to stop quoting me, i told him i don't want to discuss anything biblical with him but he won't let me be always quoting me and typing gibberish about me:



So i gave him what he deserves!

Hahahaha
Oyedepo is now the topic.
Your doctrine, community truth, is not acceptable to me. Your own interpretations is your cup of tea. Leave Oyedepo alone. I respect him for his works. I am not his member. I am a pentecostal, of pentecostal family, home and abroad, and antiquity. What is important to me is that I am a Christian, a ' church - goer' and you a JW, a coven - goer. . As long as you contribute on Nairaland, I will respond. Ẹfọ kìí le ẹfọ lawo kẹ̀?!
Eegun ti a so mọ ajá lọrùn ni.

So abuse Papa Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oritsejafor, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, TL Osborn, EW Kenyon, Ayo Babalola, Maria Woodword - Etter etc. It doesn't change me, my view, my posting about anything.
I dey kampe!
As e dey pain them, e dey sweet me.
Hahaha

Not possible at all the spirit and tongue are 5 and 6

Jackanda1:
Please i do not welcome comments from atheist on this thread. Thanks

In 2011/2012 after i had given my life to christ. A young man in my church asked me if i had recieved the infilling of the holyspirit, i said no. He promised to pray for me.

A certain day, i think on a saturday, after church service, he laid hands on me in the name of Jesus and prayed in tongues.

The next thing that happened is that i got up from the hard floor of the church. I didn't feel any pain nor did i remember falling. I didn't speak in tongues either. But i had a lot of faith and was happy and believed i had been filled with the holyspirit.

I understand that you are aquinted with the spirit once you're born again, but there is an infilling or baptism of the spirit different from the born again experience.(Acts8:15-17)

So, did i recieve the infilling of the spirit at that time? Is it possible to be filled/baptised with the holyspirit without recieving any of his gifts like speaking in tongues?

As a believer you have the Holy Spirit already but from your narration, you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongue. Even if the tongue will not continue, the moment you receive him or he comes upon you, you will speak forth.

Ask him to fill you.

Jackanda1:
You're wrong. That scripture of 1corinthian13:8-10 doesn't say the gifts of the spirit HAS ended. Instead It says that they WILL end/cease.
The holy spirit still distributes gifts to the church today.

The writter was trying to point out that love was more important than spiritual gifts.

THANK U FOR YOUR SMALL LEVEL OF DEFENCE N MATURITY SIR.I CELEBRATE U .i shouted n almost cursed sightin that evil script analysis he gave. spirit of error at work.devilish doctrines. pls ignore .i tot interpreting of tongues does not exist again after d last time i witnessed it at my sec sch way back 1993 !but thank god last year i saw it manifested in a deep move of d holy spirit,in d midst of a sound revival group .god still works wonder sir

Jackanda1:
I think i understand your point now. Your idea of speaking in tongues is that it has to be an earthly language like chinese, Italian etc

In Acts2:6-11, during the penticost day when the disciples spoke in tongues, i believe the Holyspirit enabled them to speak in foreign languages or opened the ears of the foreigners to understand in their own languages with the aim of converting them to christ which was achieved in Act2:37.

There is a different dimension of tongues that is not connected to earthly languages and cannot be understood by men but speaks mysteries in the spirit. Only someone with the gift of interpretation of tongues can explain it. Proof:1corinth14:2,13, 22-25.

Good point you raised here. However, before you go please enlighten me on these points.

How can you differentiate between a " heavenly or unearthly" language as you claimed and a self concocted tongue?

Why is it so easy to find so many Christians speaking in tongues and so difficult or even impossible to find Christians who have the gift of interpretation of tongues? Afterall God gives us these gifts to propagate the Gospel.

Answer me this 2 first.