Expanse2020:

Stop arguing and sturdy biology or anatomy precisely..

Go and learn my friend
Google is there for you to check the pictures of foetus, embryo sack, zygote and ask yourself how blood in your body is form

Allah answer
We have made in à best form
Glory be to Allah

SIRTeee15:


Let's me open your eyes to the truth.
Honesttalk and ohyoudidn't, U can join and learn the truth.

Have U guys ever wondered why your miracle embryology in the Koran did not mention the female egg called ovary.


Muhammed spoke a lot about how the human is formed in the womb. The Koran is filled with verses described fetal development.
Yet Muhammed didn't mention the ovary which is as important as the sperm for fertilization and embryogenesis.
The miracle of Koran didn't know anything about the woman's egg that is needed for baby to be formed.

The Quran, in all its discussion of human reproduction, does not mention the role of the ovary, implying instead that reproduction is caused simply by storage and mingling of the male semen in the female womb.

Your almighty Allah was definitely deficient in knowledge not to know the ovary from the woman is necessary for a baby to be formed in the womb.

I have searched the whole of Koran from first to last chapter, I didn't see anything about the egg of a woman.
What a miracle book of fraud and deception.

Although visible to the human eye, the female egg is very small and unknown in the 7th century - this appears to explain its omission in the Quran.

Since the medical scholars in the 7th century didn't know anything about the ovary or female egg, Muhammed also did not know and that's why it's not in the Koran.
Allah didn't tell him anything.

honesttalk21:


Specifically you Tenq aka twister of truth and grand deceiver using garrulous talk and gish galloping failed to show me exactly who is the actual father of Mary who bore Jesus and who her mother is from your Bible.

You lie that her father is Heli when he is not and cannot tell me who her mother is. How then can you correctly say that she is not a descendant of Amran and due to her being a female akin to a sister of Aaron in discipline and faith extra reference to her spiritual piety?

Oh no. Who are the Biological parents of Mary who bore Jesus for a repeated time? Tell me or agree that you don't know and base your reservations on just your whims.

Why can't the Bible be wrong? Isn't it a book of many authors with their variant recollections of events which must be influenced by their individual or authoritative bias?

Don't use another lie to defend established lies.

SIRTeee15:
Expanse2020, show me which stage of embryology can the fetus be described as congealed blood.

Muhammed heard nothing from God. He only regurgitated what was the common knowledge of his time and put it inside the Koran.

Below is Galen whose human embryology copyright Muhammed stole and claimed it's from Allah.

That's fraud in case u don't know.

honesttalk21:


SirTee15 indeed has adequate knowledge of the medical sciences and has shared good material of early to late fetal anatomy. Well let's present what you surely overlooked.

When do blood cells begin to develop in a newly fertilised zygote.

You surely know how early blood cell development begins in a young embryo. This is as early as the seventh day of embryonic life.

Red blood cells are essential in delivering oxygen to tissues and the development of vascular channels during embryogenesis.

Now lets look at Quran 23:14

Al-Mu'minun 23:14

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا ٱلنُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْمُضْغَةَ عِظَٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَٰهُ خَلْقًا ءَاخَرَۚ فَتَبَارَكَ ٱللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ ٱلْخَٰلِقِينَ

Sahih Translation of the meaning.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allāh, the best of creators.

Amongst the issues of cintention are sperm becoming clot of blood but we review what is translated to mean this; alaqah;عَلَقَةًۭ. How is this word translated?

Alaqah could mean any or all of leech, suspended thing, and blood clot. Do you not see similar things at this stage of embryonic development?

The newly formed zygote attaches itself to the uterine wall of the impregnated mother in a fashion similar to a leech. It obtains nutrition from the blood of the mother like a leech will do.

Is the embro suspended within the womb of the mother? Yes it is.

At this early stage when there is a relatively large amount of blood present in the embryo which is not yet circulating as the circulatory system is not yet developed would it not seem like a blood clot?

Indeed the sperm drop becomes something that clings after fertilization of the ovum.

TenQ:



Is Allah being Truthful or not with the verses quoted about the scriptures of the Jews and Christians as itemised above?
Yes or No!?

SIRTeee15:
Expanse2020, show me which stage of embryology can the fetus be described as congealed blood.

Muhammed heard nothing from God. He only regurgitated what was the common knowledge of his time and put it inside the Koran.

Below is Galen whose human embryology copyright Muhammed stole and claimed it's from Allah.

That's fraud in case u don't know.

SIRTeee15:
Expanse2020, show me which stage of embryology can the fetus be described as congealed blood.

Muhammed heard nothing from God. He only regurgitated what was the common knowledge of his time and put it inside the Koran.

Below is Galen whose human embryology copyright Muhammed stole and claimed it's from Allah.

That's fraud in case u don't know.

SIRTeee15:


Leave am. I will expose him as a quack now. He's not the first and won't be the last.

SIRTeee15:


Below are the embryonic stages of a human fetus.
Now show me which stage looks like congealed blood.

honesttalk21:


SirTee15 indeed has adequate knowledge of the medical sciences and has shared good material of early to late fetal anatomy. Well let's present what you surely overlooked.

When do blood cells begin to develop in a newly fertilised zygote.

You surely know how early blood cell development begins in a young embryo. This is as early as the seventh day of embryonic life.

Red blood cells are essential in delivering oxygen to tissues and the development of vascular channels during embryogenesis.

Now lets look at Quran 23:14

Al-Mu'minun 23:14

ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا ٱلنُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا ٱلْمُضْغَةَ عِظَٰمًا فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَٰمَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَٰهُ خَلْقًا ءَاخَرَۚ فَتَبَارَكَ ٱللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ ٱلْخَٰلِقِينَ

Sahih Translation of the meaning.
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allāh, the best of creators.

Amongst the issues of cintention are sperm becoming clot of blood but we review what is translated to mean this; alaqah;عَلَقَةًۭ. How is this word translated?

Alaqah could mean any or all of leech, suspended thing, and blood clot. Do you not see similar things at this stage of embryonic development?

The newly formed zygote attaches itself to the uterine wall of the impregnated mother in a fashion similar to a leech. It obtains nutrition from the blood of the mother like a leech will do.

Is the embro suspended within the womb of the mother? Yes it is.

At this early stage when there is a relatively large amount of blood present in the embryo which is not yet circulating as the circulatory system is not yet developed would it not seem like a blood clot?

Indeed the sperm drop becomes something that clings after fertilization of the ovum.

honesttalk21:


Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him did not copy embryology from Galen or Jewish Talmud.

What the prophet recited of what was revealed to hims on embryology are found in the Quran, specifically in Surah Al-Mu’minun (23:12-14) and Surah Al-Hajj (22:5). These verses describe the stages of human development in the womb, highlighting the creation and formation of the human being.

Claudius Galenus, commonly known as Galen, was a prominent Greek physician and anatomist whose works greatly influenced the understanding of anatomy and embryology in ancient times. Galen’s writings on embryology were based on observations of animal embryos and were not entirely accurate when compared to modern scientific knowledge.

The Jewish Talmud is a central text of Rabbinic Judaism, containing a vast collection of teachings, laws, and interpretations. While it addresses various aspects of human life and development, it does not provide detailed scientific descriptions of embryology comparable to those found in modern science or the Quran.

When comparing the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh with modern embryological knowledge, it is important to note that the Quranic descriptions are consistent with many aspects of human embryonic development as understood by contemporary science. However, it is essential to recognize that the Quranic verses are presented in a literary and metaphorical style rather than as a scientific textbook.

The claims that the prophet copied in what he recited in the Quran lack evidence. The teachings in the Quran regarding embryology reflect an understanding that was revealed over 1400 years ago and are not derived from these sources.

honesttalk21:


This response of yours is odd. Are you justifying your lie on who Mary's father is? Pathetic. He lies without any remorse!

What verses on Jews and Christians? It's better you redisplay so it can be easily and readily accesed but have we concluded that you have no basis on your challenge on who Mary is?

Let's get that clear and not jumble issues with TENQGISH GALLOPING

Expanse2020:

Don't mind them they don't do science, no biology knowledge and no anatomy Know and they don't want to learn from the learn religion
Proof us wrong from your Bible that your God created that our Book is wrong on the creation of man
Proof us wrong If you dear

TenQ:

You will recall that it all started with your claim according to Allah that Mary the mother of Jesus IS the sister of Aaron?
You will also recall that there was a glaring mix-up of the identity of two Mary (Miriam) from the Bible in your Quran.

Since you cannot accept my explanation of the Father of Mary being Heli, Can you give me the identity of the mother of Mary the mother of Jesus from the Quran? At least we can compare.
Unfortunately for you: Mary's mother according to your Quran is the Wife of Imran.

Quran 3:35
(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!

Here is what one of your scholars said about this case
Tafsir Quran 3.35-36 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir
The Story of Maryam's Birth
The wife of `Imran mentioned here is the mother of Maryam, and her name is Hannah bint Faqudh. Muhammad bin Ishaq mentioned that Hannah could not have children and that one day, she saw a bird feeding its chick. She wished she could have children and supplicated to Allah to grant her offspring. Allah accepted her supplication, and when her husband slept with her, she became pregnant. She vowed to make her child concentrate on worship and serving Bayt Al-Maqdis (the Masjid in Jerusalem), when she became aware that she was pregnant.....

Tafsir Quran 3.35 Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
Remember, O Muhammad (When the wife of Imran) Hannah, the mother of Mary (said: My Lord I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering)) a servant at the Sanctuary of Jerusalem. (Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer) of prayers, (the Knower!) of the answer and of that which is in my womb.

So, we see in your Quran
Imran: The Father of Moses, Aaron and Mary the Mother of Jesus
Wife of Imran: As the Mother of Mary the Mother of Jesus or is it John?
This helps us understand how Aaron is the Brother of Mary the Mother of Jesus



How many Imran are in the Quran according to Allah?

honesttalk21:


Did I specifically claim that Mary is actually/literally the sister of Aaron?
Putting lies again?

Is your explanation of Mary being the daughter of Heli a fact? Do tell if Heli begat Mary and how? Through which wife that is Mary's mother?

Do tell exactly what the lies or wrong of the scholars are in easily understandable terms.

TenQ:

I am not sure you understood my questions sir.

My Question ONE:
1. What is the name of the yellow reproductive fluid of the woman according to biological sciences?
Your response

1. There is no yolk inside a woman
2. The Ovum is NOT a fluid (if you mean)
3. Mohammed said that the fluid of the woman is YELLOW and THIN (that of the man is WHITE and THICK

It cannot be the Ovum : so, what is the Biological name of the fluid described by Allah?


My Question TWO
2. Is it true that the woman's reproductive fluid come from her Taraib (the rib bones close to her neck area)?
Your Response

a. The Taraib is the topmost rib bone at the necklace area of a woman neck (check any Arabic dictionary)
b. There is no single biology that connects any bones with a woman's reproductive cycle.
c. Menses is the shedding of the lining of the uterous after conception fail to take place.
d. The menses is red and not Yellow sir

Since a woman's reproductive fluid cannot be her menses, Is it true that the woman's reproductive fluid come from her Taraib (the rib bones close to her neck area)?


Question THREE
3. Is the Ovum (Egg) of a woman a fluid according to biological sciences?
Your Response


Mohammed said that the reproductive fluid of the man is THICK and White (Semen) while that of the woman is THIN and YELLOW, therefore it cannot be the Ovum.

Sunan Ibn Majah 601
It was narrated from Anas that:
Umm Sulaim asked the Messenger of Allah about a woman who sees in her dream something like that which a man sees. The Messenger of Allah said: "If she sees that and has a discharge, then let her perform a bath." Umm Salamah said: "O Messenger of Allah, does that really happen?" He said: "Yes, the water of the man is thick and white and the water of a woman is thin and yellow. Whichever of them comes first or predominates, the child will resemble (that parent)."


As you can see, the reproductive fluid of the woman is THIN (watery) and YELLOW. Meaning that you're answers conflict with science and therefore very wrong.

TenQ:

The Bible is not a scientific book my friend: the Bible is the chronicle of God's dealings with a people and the consequence of their response to His will.

Your science is completely Hogwash my friend!

Admit it: Allah is dreadfully scientifically WRONG!

I have message you on this
My Questions :
1. What is the name of the yellow reproductive fluid of the woman according to biological sciences?
2. Is it true that the woman's reproductive fluid come from her Taraib (the rib bones close to her neck area)?
3. Is the Ovum (Egg) of a woman a fluid according to biological sciences?

TenQ:

I think my questions are easy to comprehend: let me rephrase!
Is it true that there is certainly an Imran in the Quran who is the Father of Mary?
Is it true that there is certainly an Imran who is the Father of Mary?
Is it true that there is certainly an Imran in the Quran who is the father of Moses, Aaron and Mary?

How many Imran did Allah say is in the Quran sir?

honesttalk21:


i) Yes Imran is the father of Mary

b) Imran

In the Quran, the father of Moses is not named.

Expanse2020:


[s]The Bible is not a scientific book my friend: the Bible is the chronicle of God's dealings with a people and the consequence of their response to His will[/s]
So you are not ashamed to say this
That your God doesn't know Science
Doesn't know biology of his creation
Doesn't know anatomy of his creation

But the Mighty Allah challenge your forefather from Jew till today to produce a verse equal to a verse in the Quran....but ney you can't

Take home verse
Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong.

Expanse2020:
No

Virginal discharge Source
https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/what-is-discharge#:~:text=Vaginal%20discharge%20is%20made%20up,more%20vaginal%20discharge%20than%20usual.

What to expect
Vaginal discharge usually begins around the time a girl gets her first period. It can start up to six months before you have your first period. This is when the body is undergoing many hormonal changes. The type of vaginal discharge your body produces can shift during your menstrual cycle and during your lifetime. You may find it is heavier or lighter at different times.

Generally, healthy vaginal discharge:

appears clear or white in color
has a slight odor, but not one that is strong smelling
can leave a yellowish tint on your underwear
changes in consistency depending on your menstrual cycle
Vaginal discharge is made up of fluids from your uterus, cervix, and vagina. When your body releases an egg from your ovary, you may notice that your vaginal discharge is thicker. This change in discharge may can indicate peak fertility times.

During pregnancy, your body may produce more vaginal discharge than usual. As you age and experience menopause, your body may produce less or no vaginal discharge because the body is no longer ovulating and estrogen levels shift. As a result, women who are in perimenopause, menopause, or postmenopause may experience vaginal dryness
You can read more about
The discharge varies sometime but mostly thin
Am not going deep in this because you may not be married Man...
But as long has they discover that yellow stain on the underwear My prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H is not a liar that why they name it Al AMEEN (the trustworthy) during his childhood

Expanse2020:

2.The second question
If you look at the skeleton very well you will see that spinal cord is join in the carvix area and in woman there is
Mammalian gland which is cover with the ribs(ribs actually call tharoib and what Allah is saying in that area is mammalian gland) of women and the mammalian gland is responsible for menses, creating of placenta and the feeding of the baby in the womb and after delivery.....
Allah is actually talking about the how those thing produce the females stuffs

Check the picture attached for the overly duct
The ovum contain the egg inside the egg is a yolk(a yolk is the fluid or liquid think in the egg
which contains only Nucleus )
For example the birds or reptile break it you will only find the yellow nucleus name yolk in it

I hope am xommunicating

TenQ:

If I get you correctly, the vaginal discharge is the REPRODUCTIVE fluid of a woman that produces a baby!?
Is this correct?


And if it's wrong proof it wright sir
But the Taraib is not even close to the cervix sir.
The Taraib is at the rib of the neck/breast region.

Here are two Tafsirs to educate you sir
Tafsir Qur'an 86.6-7 Asrar - Kashf Al-Asrar
He was created of gushing water, emerging from between the loins and the chest.
When the human individual was created, he was created from water thrown and spilled, a water that came forth from the back of the man and from the bones within the woman's breast. First he was a sperm drop, which God then made into a clot with His power.

Tafsir Qur'an 86.7 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
issuing from between the loins, of the man, and the breast-bones, of the woman.


Meaning that all you wrote here is totally WRONG!

By implication: Allah was Wrong Sir!

If Allah is wrong, he cannot be God!

TenQ:


How many Imran did Allah say is in the Quran sir?

honesttalk21:


Do tell

Expanse2020:

If it wrong in your face that sperm change to clot tell me why it's wrong you didn't mention where and how it's wrong with a proof

But answer me correctly
Where does rib join to in skeleton
And where does the pelvic which hold carvix join too

The females discharge that produce egg how does it form


Don't argue blantly without verification brother that is how person learn...

TenQ:

Then what is the Biological Name of the Thin Yellow Reproductive Fluid from the woman if that of the man is the sperm?

Expanse2020:

You should answer my question lfirst then I answer urs

TenQ:

Which question?

TenQ:

Which question?