TenQ:

I will love to see what Qur'an says about science. At least they can be easily verified and disproved.

First, address these list

1. Do hails come from mountains in the sky? No!
2. Does the sun set inside some murky waters? No!
3. Is there a wall of Gog and Magog anywion earth? No!
4. Do make sperms become dead blood? No!
5. Do women have reproductive fluids from their rib cage bones (necklace area)? No!
6. Did Solomon die for almost a year and no one knew about it?

Expanse2020:


Oya proof it wrong

TenQ:

No, you prove me wrong.

Just pick any of your choice and I will help you expose the lies your clerics tell you about it.

Choose your topic:
Astronomy
Biology
Physics
etc

Or specifically any of the six topics below

1. Do hails come from mountains in the sky? No!
2. Does the sun set inside some murky waters? No!
3. Is there a wall of Gog and Magog anywion earth? No!
4. Do make sperms become dead blood? No!
5. Do women have reproductive fluids from their rib cage bones (necklace area)? No!
6. Did Solomon die for almost a year and no one knew about it?

TenQ:

No, you prove me wrong.

Just pick any of your choice and I will help you expose the lies your clerics tell you about it.

Choose your topic:
Astronomy
Biology
Physics
etc

Or specifically any of the six topics below

1. Do hails come from mountains in the sky? No!
2. Does the sun set inside some murky waters? No!
3. Is there a wall of Gog and Magog anywion earth? No!
4. Do make sperms become dead blood? No!
5. Do women have reproductive fluids from their rib cage bones (necklace area)? No!
6. Did Solomon die for almost a year and no one knew about it?

TenQ:

The Bible is a Chronicle of God's dealings with a people and their response to God's will and consequences of their responses so that we the readers can learn from their success and shortcomings!

If I tell you that the name Xhosa is not common in Nigeria, does that mean every name including Bola, Ahmed or Musa. When I tell you that names like Moses or Aaron or Miriam is not common in ancient Israel, do I also mean that Eleazar is not common.

Indeed Jacob is not common in ancient Israel : there is only one Jacob. Abram is not common as there is only one Abram whose name was changed to Abraham by God.

Eliazar is a common name in ancient Israel.


Have you conceded that Mohammed and Allah goofed seriously with respect of Mary being the sister of Aaron!?

Heli is the Father of Mary who is the father in law to Joseph. The Bible said nothing about the mother of Mary.

Isn't the Qur'an supposed to be the direct words of Allah!? How come it is untrustworthy with respect to science and history?
1. Do hails come from mountains in the sky? No!
2. Does the sun set inside some murky waters? No!
3. Is there a wall of Gog and Magog anywion earth? No!
4. Do make sperms become dead blood? No!
5. Do women have reproductive fluids from their rib cage bones (necklace area)? No!
6. Did Solomon die for almost a year and no one knew about it?


Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
The list is endless my brother

Every challenge of the Qur'an is broken by the Qur'an itself.

Qur'an 10:38
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
But then, we find satan producing the Qur'an for Mohammed and he did not detect until Jibril came much later to say the Qur'an is not from Allah

A whole chapter of the Jinn we find the Jinns speaking the Qur'an or is it Allah Quoting the Jinns?

If you care for the truth, you will check the Qur'an as only one error and what you have is a fabrication!

honesttalk21:



Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat
- the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies-

You are therefore obligated to present the wrong or accept your inability to understand what is said or you read.

Expanse2020:

Start with biology proof it wrong

TenQ:


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Proof the ayat wrong
Then show me what God in the bible also said about formation of a being


The human sperms never ever at any stage become a clot of congealed blood: does it?

honesttalk21:


A "chronicle" refers to a detailed record of events in the order in which they occurred.
I simply ask you to present the immediate parents of Mary the mother of Jesus according to the Bible.

We can then trace back her lineage from there and establish her bloodline.

This must be difficult for you and you resort to gish galloping asking other questions outside the primary discussion.

We may address your gish gallops later but not before we finish the issues about Mary the mother of Jesus's family line and issues you have with the revealed Quran verses.

Expanse2020:
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Can God make such a mistake?
Does human sperm at any point become congealed blood?
If it does, How?

[b]Again: I called your bluff[/b]

Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


The human sperms never ever at any stage become a clot of congealed blood: does it?

TenQ:

Chronicle of God's dealing is about God's dealings with people not a compilation of what they eat for lunch and dinner or the dress they wore or the father they had if it is not relevant to the message God is passing across.
So again:
Mary's father is Heli and Joseph is his son-in-law! In fact the only thing you need to know about Mary is that she was a virgin and from the tribe of Judah when she conceived Jesus.

Did Allah tell you the father and Mother of Mohammed in the Qur'an?
If not, then you have no case!

TenQ:

The Bible is a Chronicle of God's dealings with a people and their response to God's will and consequences of their responses so that we the readers can learn from their success and shortcomings!

honesttalk21:


For the avoidance of any doubt you say:


But CHRONICLE
noun
An extended account in prose or verse of historical events, sometimes including legendary material, presented in chronological order and without authorial interpretation or comment.
A detailed narrative record or report.
A historical account of facts or events disposed in the order of time; a history; especially, a bare or simple record of occurrences in their order of time.

Furthermore The chronicles of God's dealings with man offer a narrative tapestry detailing the relationship between God and humanity. From the creation of the universe to the covenant with Noah.

You have reluctantly given the name of Mary's father as Heli. Who was her mother?

Do well to give Biblical reference too.

You could be magnanimous in reply to give the name of Heli's father, the father to Heli's father and so on.

This will establish the lineage of Mary with respect to the aspect of our discussion you insist to clarify.

TenQ:


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


The human sperms never ever at any stage become a clot of congealed blood: does it?
Allah should know that shouldn't he?

TenQ:


Can God make such a mistake?
Does human sperm at any point become congealed blood?
If it does, How?

[b]Again: I called your bluff[/b]

Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


The human sperms never ever at any stage become a clot of congealed blood: does it?

See how miserable your scientific miracle of the Quran is! SMH!

Tell me,
Do sperm become Blood?
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Sahih Muslim 2643b
This hadith has been reported on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Waki' (the words are):
" The creation of any one of you is like this that (semen) is collected in the womb of the mother for forty nights," and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Shu'ba (the words are):" Forty nights and forty days." And in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Jarir and 'Isa (the words are):" Forty days."

Can semen alive for more than five days except when frozen?

TenQ:

If you understand a little English, I said "A Chronicle of God's dealings" not "a chronicle of man's history."

Too bad!

Can you tell us who Mohammed is in the Qur'an? From your Quran :
Who is his mother?
Who is the father?


Clean your nose before pointing at others!




Are you pretending not to see this?

Mrvictorwrite:
confused lol
bring your assignments and project to me

honesttalk21:


You say the Bible is a Chronicle of God's dealings can you explain this without regarding the importance of chronicle in the phrase? Kindly tell me what the chronicles of God's dealings is and perhaps your Bible says this and if not point me to who or where this was said?

honesttalk21:

Did I tell you the Quran is a Chronicle or book of history? You have said and implied this about the Bible.

I am not pretending it's not just time to attend to it. We aren't done on the present issue unless you now accept the reasons earlier given regarding the nature of Mary the mother of Jesus's relationship to Amran and Aaron.

Can we go further on this?
Heli is the father of Mary according to you. Who is her mother and who are her grandparents? Let's finish this up then get to your diversionary questions

TenQ:

For the "tenth time", a chronicle is a report of God's dealings with people and the consequences of their response to Him. QED!
If you don't understand this, too bad!


Then what is the Quran?


At least I just showed you that the Qur'an could not have been the speech of the Almighty God.

Could it be that the Creator of the Universe doesn't know!?

The mother of Mary and her grandmothers are inconsequential in the narrative of God's dealings with Mary, Israel and the world. If you think it is, too bad!

honesttalk21:


Your proof is not clear at all Mr. Show in clear steps how you arrive at your claimed QED. This is not a scenario of bulldozing.

I don't see where you show me the Quran is not the speech of the almighty God. The Quran is a revelation from Allah; glory be to him the most high.

Do not answer a question with a question! If you will satisfy your definition of the Bible being the chronicle of God's dealings with people.

Who says so or is it also stated in your Bible?

If indeed Mary's origins and lineage are ininconsequential then why the force about her descendance from Amran and her relation to Aaron. Why are you seeming inconsistent?

Tell please; who was Mary the mother of Jesus's mother and her paternal and maternal granparents.

TenQ:


Mr Expanse2020

It is understandable is Mohammed got it wrong in Sahih Muslim 2643b or maybe it is a fabricated hadith as usual.


Tell me,
Is it possible that the Quran is fabricated like the hadiths of Mohammed.?

Could it be that the Creator of the Universe doesn't know!?

Do sperm become Blood?
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Again:
Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


The human sperms never ever at any stage become a clot of congealed blood: does it?

TenQ:

I can see you are up to wasting your time.
1. Proof!? Disprove my claim then if you can
2. I have shown you at least one proof that the Qur'an is not the speech of God because God would certainly know that sperms do not become blood. This is an error the Almighty God cannot make.
3. Isn't your Quran the speech of your prophet who feigns to be Allah!?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger

No wonder it is filled with inconsistencies!
4. Did you see the lineage of Mary's father?
This is the lineage of importance to God not her mother or grand mother! SMH!
5. Mary is from the Tribe of Judah therefore only ignorant people will think she is from Levi, the Tribe of Aaron!


You still have not explained :
How did Allah forget how reproduction was to take place?
1. Your prophet says that the sperms spend 40 days in the womb!
2. Allah says sperms become blood!

Can you explain how this error was made?

honesttalk21:


Oh! It is now a waste of time and you accept that the Bible fails to establish a clear and coherent line of ancestry for Mary up to Amran thus it raises important questions regarding the chronology of God's dealings with humans. These inconsistencies and gaps in the genealogies raise doubts about their precision after all the ancestry of John the Baptist through Zachary and indeed Elizabeth can be traced that far back why not then that of Jesus?


Your failure to understand the revelation of Allah in the Quran isn't proof of what you say. Stall the thought and lets finish with Mary first.

I need you to show me the lineage of Mary's father and I ask you to show that of her mother too.

Mary is of the tribe of Judah you say, show how this is after all Judah is the son of Jacob and from him we can get the line of ancestry to Amran. Simply show all this and stop going around.

Expanse2020:


I have 2question for 2
1. Proof it wrong that
2. Show me too how your Jesus create you in the bible too

Thanks

I will explain the answer to you Biologically

TenQ:

1. Sperms die off if it does not fertilize a woman's ovum within a maximum of 5 days.
It doesn't turn to blood at any point or time of its stay in the body of the woman.
Not a single book of biology or reproduction states that sperms become blood.

Definitely, Allah doesn't know how a baby is made.

2. From the Bible, you want me to show how Jesus created everyone!? I will do more than that
Col 1:16-17:
"For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

John 1:3
All things came into being through Him (Jesus) , and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lor, you see how your words are controversial
Jesus Christ,[/b] by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

John 1:10
He (Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.


Jesus made everything visible and invisible whether in heaven or on earth




Now, will you kindly show me Biologically how the sperms turns into a clot of congealed blood as promised?

Expanse2020:




[lSperms die off if it does not fertilize a woman's ovum within a maximum of 5 days. That not I asked you not dieing sperm we are talking here..we are talking about the fertilazation and a baby is produce
It doesn't turn to blood at any point or time of its stay in the body of the woman.
The craps verses you pasted here not what am asking

My question
1 tell me how a baby is formed /zygote is form
2. Tell me how fertilization take place in human and how blood is form in baby
3. And proof it again in your bible how baby is form just like how Quran, scientist explained it
Thank you

Please the question so that I can lecture you quickly And I don't want to waste time on this topic

TenQ:

We are NOT talking about fertilisation sir as Allah Never mentioned anything about fertilisation.

Read again the words of Allah slowly and answer the question :

What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?


Let me hold you by yourself
Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Does a sperm only produce a baby

Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


Do sperm become Blood?
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Expanse2020:

Please what is called fertilization in the stage of pregnancy
Please tell me

TenQ:

Answer the simple and direct question I asked you from the Qur'an first as Allah never spoke of fertilisation.


Read Qur'an 23:14 again ( it is the words of Allah) slowly and answer the question :

What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


Do sperm become Blood?
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

TenQ:

Answer the simple and direct question I asked you from the Qur'an first as Allah never spoke of fertilisation.


Read Qur'an 23:14 again ( it is the words of Allah) slowly and answer the question :

What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


Do sperm become Blood?
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Expanse2020:

Continuation
Your silly question but you forget that the egg inside a women is form from thier menses (I don't think you Do biology in school)
b]Do sperm become Blood?[/b]
It seems Allah doesn't know that a sperm fuses with the "egg/ovum" from the ovary to produce a zygote!?

Zygote sack is mainly consist of blood...check
the Zygote pictures to verify that

Your second question

highlight]What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?

Allah turn the fertilazation of the eggs (constist of sperm and the female York ;
They both carry chromosomes of both gender) to zygote sack from there to foetus
Scientist actually confirmed foetus too
From there to lump of flesh which scientist confirm that too see the attached picture of the lump of flesh between 3 to 5week and Quran confirmed it to between 40days which is actually correct

Expanse2020:
as a fool and unlearn person let me clear it for you....


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

What is foetus (do research on it)


Ok let start from the beginning for you
Everything from the QURAN

Al alaq (the clot) 1&2
Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed
blood:
Please find the meaning of clot/leech/ congealed blood you will need it later
At tarik 4-5
Now let man but think from what he is created!
He is created from a drop(a sperm) emitted-
. Proceeding from between the backbone (fluid connect our brains to the scrotum sack it control the stuff during the sex) and the ribs ( where woman fluid produced too during the sex)

Al Mumeen (the believer): 11-14
12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);

13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;

14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;[/b] then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Please read carefully according to Science
A sperm is required to fertilize egg(in most cases) at tarik 5 and Al Mumeen 13 confirm that

Then Science said a fertilization took place in the first week leading to the Zygote
Then have you seen a photo of zygote before
It a leech/ congeal blood also call clot
those pictures I sent are zygote they mainly for m of blood
In human or baby blood start developing at the first week in pregnancy

Digest this and make research on it too

TenQ:

I don't know why you are feigning dumb!
Read Qur'an 23:14 again ( it is the words of Allah) slowly and answer the question :

According to Qur'an 23:14:
What did Allah turn into a clot of congealed blood?


Qur'an 23:14
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!


It is a simple question :
What did Allah say he turned into blood according to Qur'an 23:14?



It is obvious that:
I did not ask you how biologists think a baby is formed