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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 5:42pm On Apr 20, 2023
drlateef:


Unfortunately your intention appears not pure. Otherwise you will not see any contradictions. Understanding is your problem.
For someone who never knew the story of Adam, Eve, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus etc, the Qur'an could be unquestionable. However, when you know basic bible, it is impossible to overlook discrepancies


1. My intention to becoming a Muslim in my 200 L was in fact very serious. I counted the cost. I knew my parents would be hurt but I also knew that they would not disown me nor stop paying my school fees. I knew that the worst that would happen from them is that they would send people to me to see if they can convince me.
2. I got myself a copy of an English Qur'an " The Glorious Qur'an"! And I started reading from Al-Fathia down
3. In the process of reading, I began to come across disjointed forms of stories I read in the Bible.
4. I could understand if the Qur'an contradicted the New Testament (thanks to Ahmed Deedat) but I couldn't understand how the Qur'an/Islam will also contradict the Old Testament.
Eg.
-Who was Abraham intending to Sacrifice:
Ishmael or Isaac?
-How was Mariam sister of Aaron mixed up with Mary, mother of Jesus
-How Surat Yusuf sound so comical
- Different account of Creation of the universe by God
Etc etc

5. My first conclusion was the both the Qur'an and the Bible CANNOT both be from the same God.

6. I decided to step back to study the three monotheistic religions of Judaism (briefly), Islam and Christianity. This time around with a view of discerning the TRUTH!

7. The more I ASKED questions about Islam, the more it broke down with scrutiny.

8. I rededicated my life back to the Messiah


Now, I do the work of making Muslims ask questions rather than just swallow Taqqiya that will lead them to hell fire

The weakness of Muslims is that they don't ASK QUESTIONS!

I invite you to the Messiah for your SALVATION!

Muslims will never ask the question why Allah made a human being the Messiah!
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 5:50pm On Apr 20, 2023
FxMasterz:

I dey salivate o. Abeg expose how Allah come tell dem say him be 'one of.' My ears dey itch me. Kikikikiki.
God willing, it may even be my next post.

Shalom
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by drlateef: 6:15pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

For someone who never knew the story of Adam, Eve, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus etc, the Qur'an could be unquestionable. However, when you know basic bible, it is impossible to overlook discrepancies


1. My intention to becoming a Muslim in my 200 L was in fact very serious. I counted the cost. I knew my parents would be hurt but I also knew that they would not disown me nor stop paying my school fees. I knew that the worst that would happen from them is that they would send people to me to see if they can convince me.
2. I got myself a copy of an English Qur'an " The Glorious Qur'an"! And I started reading from Al-Fathia down
3. In the process of reading, I began to come across disjointed forms of stories I read in the Bible.
4. I could understand if the Qur'an contradicted the New Testament (thanks to Ahmed Deedat) but I couldn't understand how the Qur'an/Islam will also contradict the Old Testament.
Eg.
-Who was Abraham intending to Sacrifice:
Ishmael or Isaac?
-How was Mariam sister of Aaron mixed up with Mary, mother of Jesus
-How Surat Yusuf sound so comical
- Different account of Creation of the universe by God
Etc etc

5. My first conclusion was the both the Qur'an and the Bible CANNOT both be from the same God.

6. I decided to step back to study the three monotheistic religions of Judaism (briefly), Islam and Christianity. This time around with a view of discerning the TRUTH!

7. The more I ASKED questions about Islam, the more it broke down with scrutiny.

8. I rededicated my life back to the Messiah


Now, I do the work of making Muslims ask questions rather than just swallow Taqqiya that will lead them to hell fire

The weakness of Muslims is that they don't ASK QUESTIONS!

I invite you to the Messiah for your SALVATION!

Muslims will never ask the question why Allah made a human being the Messiah!



Come back in future if you still want to know the truth. All your questions have convincing answers.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 6:21pm On Apr 20, 2023
drlateef:




Come back in future if you still want to know the truth. All your questions have convincing answers.
I wish you Muslims are answering my questions but you aren't.

For instance, no one has given me any coherent answers to these questions



I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by FxMasterz: 6:55pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

God willing, it may even be my next post.

Shalom
Alright bro. I'll be looking earnestly forward to it.

I don't know why Muslims prioritise loyalty to a false religion above the salvation of their souls.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 7:26pm On Apr 20, 2023
FxMasterz:

Alright bro. I'll be looking earnestly forward to it.

I don't know why Muslims prioritise loyalty to a false religion above the salvation of their souls.
Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

Mohammed is the Masquerade behind Allah

His people unconsciously treat him as such even while denying it.

Blasphemy against Allah may be overlooked by Muslims
BUT
Blasphemy against Mohammed is never overlooked by Muslims,: the punishment is death! (Except they don't have the power to do so)
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by drlateef: 7:50pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

I wish you Muslims are answering my questions but you aren't.

For instance, no one has given me any coherent answers to these questions



I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.




You are not searching for truth but looking for ways to attack. Nobody has time for that. Islam is not a religion where we beg people to join. How can we beg you to partake in eating honey?
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by FxMasterz: 8:06pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

Mohammed is the Masquerade behind Allah

His people unconsciously treat him as such even while denying it.

Blasphemy against Allah may be overlooked by Muslims
BUT
Blasphemy against Mohammed is never overlooked by Muslims,: the punishment is death! (Except they don't have the power to do so)
In one word, a dead man is more honoured than a dead god.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 8:39pm On Apr 20, 2023
drlateef:





You are not searching for truth but looking for ways to attack. Nobody has time for that. Islam is not a religion where we beg people to join. How can we beg you to partake in eating honey?
I have found the TRUTH and the truth have set me free

I wish you will also find the truth in the purpose of the Messiah.

The Messiah is not tempting you with women in paradise. He would give you rest for your soul when you come to him
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 8:40pm On Apr 20, 2023
FxMasterz:

In one word, a dead man is more honoured than a dead god.
Perfectly said!

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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by rolams(m): 11:00pm On Apr 20, 2023
gaskiyamagana:

Dear brother in Islam
Bother not answering him or arguing with him.
You must have suspected that his posts from multiple Christianized fake Islamic sites full of fake Hadiths and doctored or porported Islamic sources, with selection of some of us muslims is a plan, an internet war. To me the best way to handle him is that any time he posted his jargons, give him shorted reply and throw at him A WEAKNESS OR BAD ABOUT CHRISTIANITY from Hammed Deedat books or from the SERMONS OF ISLAM- CHRISTIAN COMPARATIVE MUSLIM LECTURERS.

Simple truth. I have been smiling seeing all these garbage he has been posting.

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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by rolams(m): 11:05pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

I wish you Muslims are answering my questions but you aren't.

For instance, no one has given me any coherent answers to these questions



I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

For your mind, you think you have strong questions/argument? I would have challenge you for an open debate walahi.

We don't have time for you here. If he sure for you, call any of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Dr Muhammad and others for a debate. They have time for you.

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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by drlateef: 11:27pm On Apr 20, 2023
TenQ:

I have found the TRUTH and the truth have set me free

I wish you will also find the truth in the purpose of the Messiah.

The Messiah is not tempting you with women in paradise. He would give you rest for your soul when you come to him



If you have found the truth, why do you border us with your questions?

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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by gaskiyamagana: 4:10am On Apr 21, 2023
TenQ:

Thank you for the free advertising!

However, I would have preferred that you answered the questions instead.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?


Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?



How far have you been able to make your Christian Friend ponder and query how forgetful or mistaken is your God in the revealation of His Bible that king James and others are adding and subtracting it in the process of revising and standardizing?

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Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 5:40am On Apr 21, 2023
rolams:


Simple truth. I have been smiling seeing all these garbage he has been posting.
Garbage!?

Can you provide evidence that your Islamic references I posted are lies?

If they are not lies, why is it difficult answering my questions?

Even if my posts are garbages, it is your duty to point out exactly How they are garbages!
.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 5:48am On Apr 21, 2023
rolams:


For your mind, you think you have strong questions/argument? I would have challenge you for an open debate walahi.

We don't have time for you here. If he sure for you, call any of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Dr Muhammad and others for a debate. They have time for you.
I would prefer to debate you online rather than your international Islamic apologists celebrities because I'm a small person o. I never reach their level otherwise, you would have been seeing my face everywhere.

So, please give me a few years (like 19 years) to reach the levels of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Dr Muhammad.

This however does not stop you from answering my simple questions.


I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.




Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 6:01am On Apr 21, 2023
drlateef:


If you have found the truth, why do you border us with your questions?
It would be gross WICKEDNESS on my part to see my fellow humans being "419ed" and I keep quiet.

What do you think you would do if you have a friend who is about selling off ALL his assets to fund a proposal from fraudsters if he has completely believed them?

Will you keep quiet or bombard your friend with reasons and facts to open his eyes to the truth?


The Messiah was sent to be a sacrifice and payment for our guilt and debt of sin to our Creator. A religion was set up by Mohammed (purportedly from Allah) to replace the Messiah. The adherents feel strongly that they have "the original document that leads to paradise" unfortunately, it's all a lie,,!

What do you expect me to do my friend?
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 6:03am On Apr 21, 2023
gaskiyamagana:

How far have you been able to make your Christian Friend ponder and query how forgetful or mistaken is your God in the revealation of His Bible that king James and others are adding and subtracting it in the process of revising and standardizing?
I am talking about myself bro!

Can you help a Christian brother (TenQ) struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

STRAWMAN arguments!
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by FxMasterz: 10:26am On Apr 21, 2023
TenQ:
How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)



Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)


Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the logic of Islam's Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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What liars fear the most is questions. Just like scammers, they hate it when you're asking too many questions.

When Satan wants to scam your soul, he forbids questions. He then uses indoctrination and brainwashing to establish deceit. A demon uses the frequent meaningless recitations to establish the imprisonment of the mind. Once your mind is imprisoned, you can't see truth. You'll just wobble through darkness until you breathe your last. When you open your eyes on the other side, that's when you'll realize you've been deceived. You'll start wondering why you didn't ask the questions you were supposed to ask. You'll start wondering why you rejected TenQ and Advocatejare's warnings even though you knew they were saying the truth. You're filled with regrets. You ll want to make amends but it'll be too late.

There'll be surprises in the Afterlife when you get there and see that there are no 72 virgins anywhere. There's no big book anywhere from which the Quran was supposedly copied. And most surprisingly, there's no Allah anywhere waiting to reward you for being a Muslim.

You'll see all the prophets of the Bible whom Mohammed imported into the Quran. Oh, you'll see the Lord Jesus in his majestic glory. You'll behold the beauty of heaven and its pearly Gates and hear the voices of angels singing in humble adoration to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. But, you wouldn't be allowed to come close. You'll see all these and hear heavenly music from a far distance. That's when you'll realize that you've been scammed.

Repent, give your life to Christ before it is too late. Allah, aka Satan, the best of deceivers have nothing to offer your soul.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 10:40am On Apr 21, 2023
FxMasterz:

What liars fear the most is questions. Just like scammers, they hate it when you're asking too many questions.

When Satan wants to scam your soul, he forbids questions. He then uses indoctrination and brainwashing to establish deceit. A demon uses the frequent meaningless recitations to establish the imprisonment of the mind. Once your mind is imprisoned, you can't see truth. You'll just wobble through darkness until you breathe your last. When you open your eyes on the other side, that's when you'll realize you've been deceived. You'll start wondering why you didn't ask the questions you were supposed to ask. You'll start wondering why you rejected TenQ and Advocatejare's warnings even though you knew they were saying the truth. You're filled with regrets. You ll want to make amends but it'll be too late.

There'll be surprises in the Afterlife when you get there and see that there are no 72 virgins anywhere. There's no big book anywhere from which the Quran was supposedly copied. And most surprisingly, there's no Allah anywhere waiting to reward you for being a Muslim.

You'll see all the prophets of the Bible whom Mohammed imported into the Quran. Oh, you'll see the Lord Jesus in his majestic glory. You'll behold the beauty of heaven and its pearly Gates and hear the voices of angels singing in humble adoration to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. But, you wouldn't be allowed to come close. You'll see all these and hear heavenly music from a far distance. That's when you'll realize that you've been scammed.

Repent, give your life to Christ before it is too late. Allah, aka Satan, the best of deceivers have nothing to offer your soul.
I pray that the eyes of Muslims would be opened as they read.
As you said:
Any religion that forbid people from asking questions is a Scamming Religion designed to lead people straight to hell

Quran 5:101
“O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by gaskiyamagana: 1:26pm On Apr 21, 2023
FxMasterz:

What liars fear the most is questions. Just like scammers, they hate it when you're asking too many questions.

When Satan wants to scam your soul, he forbids questions. He then uses indoctrination and brainwashing to establish deceit. A demon uses the frequent meaningless recitations to establish the imprisonment of the mind. Once your mind is imprisoned, you can't see truth. You'll just wobble through darkness until you breathe your last. When you open your eyes on the other side, that's when you'll realize you've been deceived. You'll start wondering why you didn't ask the questions you were supposed to ask. You'll start wondering why you rejected TenQ and Advocatejare's warnings even though you knew they were saying the truth. You're filled with regrets. You ll want to make amends but it'll be too late.

There'll be surprises in the Afterlife when you get there and see that there are no 72 virgins anywhere. There's no big book anywhere from which the Quran was supposedly copied. And most surprisingly, there's no Allah anywhere waiting to reward you for being a Muslim.

You'll see all the prophets of the Bible whom Mohammed imported into the Quran. Oh, you'll see the Lord Jesus in his majestic glory. You'll behold the beauty of heaven and its pearly Gates and hear the voices of angels singing in humble adoration to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. But, you wouldn't be allowed to come close. You'll see all these and hear heavenly music from a far distance. That's when you'll realize that you've been scammed.

Repent, give your life to Christ before it is too late. Allah, aka Satan, the best of deceivers have nothing to offer your soul.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by rolams(m): 6:47pm On Apr 21, 2023
TenQ:

I would prefer to debate you online rather than your international Islamic apologists celebrities because I'm a small person o. I never reach their level otherwise, you would have been seeing my face everywhere.

So, please give me a few years (like 19 years) to reach the levels of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Dr Muhammad.

This however does not stop you from answering my simple questions.


I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.




Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


I don't have your time!

For your information, Qur'an was not revealed at once. Some are revealed base on issue at that time.

You know nothing about the Qur'an/islam and you care not about it.

Read verse 44 of the chapter.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 6:54pm On Apr 21, 2023
rolams:


I don't have your time!

For your information, Qur'an was not revealed at once. Some are revealed base on issue at that time.

You know nothing about the Qur'an/islam and you care not about it.
Then just answer my Questions: why is the answer difficult for you to say?

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by rolams(m): 7:50pm On Apr 21, 2023
TenQ:

Then just answer my Questions: why is the answer difficult for you to say?

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.


I have shown what I will only show you here.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 8:25pm On Apr 21, 2023
rolams:


I have shown what I will only show you here.
So, you have no logical answers to the questions.

It's okay!
Why?
Even when you don't want to admit it, your spirit wouldn't lie to you!

Have a beautiful night rest!
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by LegalWolf: 10:23pm On Apr 23, 2023
Hey potential thief TenQ

How’s the ministry? And evangelism? I just want to check up on you and ask about the cleansing sweet bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood of Jesus. LOL 😂
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by TenQ: 10:51pm On Apr 23, 2023
LegalWolf:
Hey potential thief TenQ

How’s the ministry? And evangelism? I just want to check up on you and ask about the cleansing sweet bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood of Jesus. LOL 😂
If God doesn't Redeem us, the best of us will destroy paradise with our filth.

I appreciate God for my redemption from the power and consequence of sin. There was no way I could pay my debt.

A Life for my life
A Sacrifice of Atonement for my Sonship
An infinite cost receipted by the pure Blood


LegalWolf, I invite you to the Messiah!
Why do you think He came?
He came to set you FREE!


John 1:12-13:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by honesttalk21: 1:27pm On May 07, 2023
@TenQ
The order of sura in the Quran is specified based on the revelation of the first ayas of the sura, not the revelation of the whole sura.
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by honesttalk21: 1:38pm On May 07, 2023
TenQ:

I would prefer to debate you online rather than your international Islamic apologists celebrities because I'm a small person o. I never reach their level otherwise, you would have been seeing my face everywhere.

So, please give me a few years (like 19 years) to reach the levels of Dr Zakir Naik, Mallam Yusuf Adepoju and Dr Muhammad.

This however does not stop you from answering my simple questions.


I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!

You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.




Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


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Al-Baghawi said in Sharh al-Sunnah: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to instruct his companions and teach them what was revealed to him of the Qur’aan in the order in which it appears in our Quran now, the order which Jibreel taught him.

When each aayah was revealed, Jibreel would tell him, this aayah is to be written after such and such an aayah in Soorah such and such. Thus it is clear that the efforts of the Sahaabah were limited solely to gathering the Qur’aan in one place, not to arranging its order. The Qur’aan is written on al-Lawh al-Mahfooz in this order, then Allaah sent it down in its entirety to the first heaven, whence it was revealed in stages as it was needed, and the order in which it was revealed is not the order in which it is recited.”
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by honesttalk21: 1:44pm On May 07, 2023
WRT Quran 69:40;

Thee people were hearing the verses of the Qur'an recited by the tongue of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the Prophet (peace be upon him) by the tongue of Gabriel. Thereupon, in one way it was the word of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and in another way of Gabriel, but a little below it has been explicitly stated: It is indeed a Revelation from the Lord of the worlds, which is being presented before Muhammad (peace be upon him) by the tongue of Gabriel and before the people by the tongue of Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by honesttalk21: 2:15pm On May 07, 2023
TenQ:

For someone who never knew the story of Adam, Eve, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, John the Baptist, Jesus etc, the Qur'an could be unquestionable. However, when you know basic bible, it is impossible to overlook discrepancies


1. My intention to becoming a Muslim in my 200 L was in fact very serious. I counted the cost. I knew my parents would be hurt but I also knew that they would not disown me nor stop paying my school fees. I knew that the worst that would happen from them is that they would send people to me to see if they can convince me.
2. I got myself a copy of an English Qur'an " The Glorious Qur'an"! And I started reading from Al-Fathia down
3. In the process of reading, I began to come across disjointed forms of stories I read in the Bible.
4. I could understand if the Qur'an contradicted the New Testament (thanks to Ahmed Deedat) but I couldn't understand how the Qur'an/Islam will also contradict the Old Testament.
Eg.
-Who was Abraham intending to Sacrifice:
Ishmael or Isaac?
-How was Mariam sister of Aaron mixed up with Mary, mother of Jesus
-How Surat Yusuf sound so comical
- Different account of Creation of the universe by God
Etc etc

5. My first conclusion was the both the Qur'an and the Bible CANNOT both be from the same God.

6. I decided to step back to study the three monotheistic religions of Judaism (briefly), Islam and Christianity. This time around with a view of discerning the TRUTH!

7. The more I ASKED questions about Islam, the more it broke down with scrutiny.

8. I rededicated my life back to the Messiah


Now, I do the work of making Muslims ask questions rather than just swallow Taqqiya that will lead them to hell fire

The weakness of Muslims is that they don't ASK QUESTIONS!

I invite you to the Messiah for your SALVATION!

Muslims will never ask the question why Allah made a human being the Messiah!

Records or reports of history and the author's bias.
On Abraham's pbuh sacrifice he was to sacrifice his first son, only son indeed a mighty task and test of faith. If this were Isaac he already had another child although banished with his mother Hagai. The Quran reports slightly more as the Kaaba in Mecca was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael.

Wrt to Mary and Aaron; righteous men were referred to as Harun and Mary is supposed to of the righteous hence her people's question.

She is also of the family lineage with Aaron as a forefather.

What is comical about Yusuf/Joseph pbuh's story? Is it his beauty?
Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards by honesttalk21: 2:27pm On May 07, 2023
Note too that the books of Allah (God) were corrupted over time. Attempts are made to Alter the Quran which preserved by Allah.

I leave with the following:
Aramaic is the language spoken by Isa (Jesus) pbuh; what is the word for almighty God in this language.

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