advocatejare:

Oya give us the answer Lukuluku69, AntiChristian, IL- LegalWolf

LegalWolf in particular doesn't know a hoot in Islam.
All he can do is make noises like
TenQ ooooo!
Ahhh.....Uhoooo!!

AntiChristian has stated his own position but he didn't say exactly where the information came from nor where the Nigerian Muslims also got their information.

You can believe whatever suites you!
In Christianity there are Unitarian (One God) and Trinitarian (Three in One God) Christians!

There are Denominational differences too like JW, Celestial Church, C & S, Catholics and others!

You can decide who is Christian based on your own Biblical conviction or research (Holy Spirit).

I subscribe to the Islamic texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah! And I don't differentiate between an authentic Hadith and the Qur'an

SIRTee15:


The concept of Eesa coming back in not in the Qur'an but the hadith. That's why it's not universally accepted by Muslims.
Some Muslim sects believed Jesus survived the crucifixion but eventually died in far away India and he's not coming back.

So above is the believe of a sect in Islam, don't talk for others.

TenQ:

Thanks
I think I know exactly what you Muslims believe.


I used to think that the above was the general consensus of Muslims.
1. Does that mean that we can't trust what the Nigerian preachers (on the facebook page) said?
2. Do you know if these nigerian preachers are using some weak hadiths or tafsirs to arrive at their position?
3. One of the Arab speakers said that Jesus is judging people in paradise right now, is that true?

It doesn't need to be consensus! It only need to be from the Qur'an or Sunnah!

That Jesus Christ is God is not a consensus in Christianity!
That's why there's Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

AntiChristian:
You can believe whatever suites you!
In Christianity there are Unitarian (One God) and Trinitarian (Three in One God) Christians!

There are Denominational differences too like JW, Celestial Church, C & S, Catholics and others!

You can decide who is Christian based on your own Biblical conviction or research (Holy Spirit).

I subscribe to the Islamic texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah! And I don't differentiate between an authentic Hadith and the Qur'an

Can u pls mention these authentic hadiths u believe so that we can expose your yansh.

So those Muslims who believe Jesus is not coming back, are they following Islam or not. That's my question.

AntiChristian:


It doesn't need to be consensus! It only need to be from the Qur'an or Sunnah!

That Jesus Christ is God is not a consensus in Christianity!
That's why there's Unitarian and Trinitarian Christians!

Thanks
Can you point me to sources where specifically I can read up the Islamic narrative of the Return of Jesus Christ

AntiChristian:


I judge Christians Scholars in their interpretations? Where?

Hope you know the context before you join midway?

Am only asking a question that needs a YES or NO bro

Shantyken:


Am only asking a question that needs a YES or NO bro

Just make sure you're not telling lies on me!

TenQ:

LegalWolf in particular doesn't know a hoot in Islam.
All he can do is make noises like
TenQ ooooo!
Ahhh.....Uhoooo!!

He’s an empty barrel who knows nothing else than noise making, that’s why I call him IL- LegalWolf

AntiChristian has stated his own position but he didn't say exactly where the information came from nor where the Nigerian Muslims also got their information.

That’s another confused person like Lukuluku69 and Drlateef

advocatejare:

He’s an empty barrel who knows nothing else than noise making, that’s why I call him IL- LegalWolf


That’s another confused person like Lukuluku69 and Drlateef

Lukuluku69 and Drlateef are even fair!
They seem to know their religion BUT LegalWolf can only argue technicalities while using every rule in the book to digress from the matter of question

TenQ:

Lukuluku69 and Drlateef are even fair!
They seem to know their religion

Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

BUT LegalWolf can only argue technicalities while using every rule in the book to digress from the matter of question

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

advocatejare:

You and who?


Can you show proof for this?

Maynman has thrashed this before on this forum..

advocatejare:

Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

Lukuluku69 is more obsessed with finding Muhammad in the bible than studying his own Qur'an. Ask him any question on the Qur'an, he will quickly tell u he's not an islamic scholar but an expert on bible exegesis with specialty in finding Muhammad in the bible.

As for drlateef, that guy will throw his intellect out of the window once the Qur'an is involved.
Imagine a doctor seeing the video of a baby grunting and he interpreted it as baby saying Allah...I ponder his kind of doctor.
That's how he was caught trying to force embryology into the Koran, when challenged he got stuck and quickly bolted.

advocatejare:

Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

You forget that part of knowing Islam is to be able to tell one kind of lies to Muslims AND another kind of lies to non Muslims.
Telling Lies is a necessary part of Islam .

They will tell you that Jesus is a Muslim
They will tell you that Mohammed is the greatest prophet.
They would say the best man worthy of Emulation is Mohammed.
They will throw Allah under the bus to win an argument.

If any Muslim is able to manufacture answers, to me he is knowledgeable. Islam and the Qur'an itself is based on lie, so, what do you expect?

MightySparrow:



Beat hell into them.

No be small beating aswear

TenQ:

You forget that part of knowing Islam is to be able to tell one kind of lies to Muslims AND another kind of lies to non Muslims.
Telling Lies is a necessary part of Islam .

They will tell you that Jesus is a Muslim
They will tell you that Mohammed is the greatest prophet.
They would say the best man worthy of Emulation is Mohammed.
They will throw Allah under the bus to win an argument.

If any Muslim is able to manufacture answers, to me he is knowledgeable. Islam and the Qur'an itself is based on lie, so, what do you expect?

I understand now, being a master of deception is one of the attributes of being a good Muslim, after all Allah their god is the father of lies, the best of the deceivers, Al-Makireena

SIRTee15:


Lukuluku69 is more obsessed with finding Muhammad in the bible than studying his own Qur'an. Ask him any question on the Qur'an, he will quickly tell u he's not an islamic scholar but an expert on bible exegesis with specialty in finding Muhammad in the bible.

And till date, he is yet to show us his so-called Muhammad in the Bible, even the Quran he ought to know in and out he doesn’t know, I asked him to use the Quran to tell us his belief about the coming back of Jesus up till now he has not found the verse in the Quran to back up his belief!

As for drlateef, that guy will throw his intellect out of the window once the Qur'an is involved.
Imagine a doctor seeing the video of a baby grunting and he interpreted it as baby saying Allah...I ponder his kind of doctor.
That's how he was caught trying to force embryology into the Koran, when challenged he got stuck and quickly bolted.

That one is a quack, there was a time I showed him how muhammad confessed that the sickness that led to his death was caused by the poison he ate a Khaibar but the fake doctor claimed that there is no poison that kills slowly over time!

Concerning the grunting baby, if drlateef happens to be a real doctor, he would be responsible for the death of many babies as he would be hearing a grunting baby as a baby mentioning Allah and won’t intervene to help the child till the child eventually dies. That is a disaster of a doctor

sonmvayina:


Maynman has thrashed this before on this forum..

It’s obvious that you formed your belief on hearsay of someone as confused as you!

Did you bother to find out if the information he gave you was true? Or you just swallowed it like that?


I’m asking you again to provide your proof that the first century historians Josephus and Tacitus didn’t write about Jesus and confirm his existence!

If you can’t, hide your face in shame forever!

advocatejare:

I understand now, being a master of deception is one of the attributes of being a good Muslim, after all Allah their god is the father of lies, the best of the deceivers, Al-Makireena

Exactly!
What is important is that they have an opinion and they voice it out. Only then can on constructively engage them in meaningful discussions that could expose their deception and doctrine

TenQ:

Exactly!
What is important is that they have an opinion and they voice it out. Only then can on constructively engage them in meaningful discussions that could expose their deception and doctrine

Let’s keep engaging them then, so that we can continue to expose their foolery

advocatejare:

Let’s keep engaging them then, so that we can continue to expose their foolery

I hope that at the end of the day
1. Christians would be educated enough to see through Islamic Taqqiya
2. That Muslims would be confronted with the truth of the Questions impossible for them to ask
3. That Muslims will begin to ask themselves questions that will lead them to freedom by the truth in the Messiah
4. Christians in evangelism are armed with relevant answers to their faith as well as relevant questions to ask Muslims.


We will pray and confront every foundation of the religion of the antichrist

TenQ:


I hope that at the end of the day
1. Christians would be educated enough to see through Islamic Taqqiya
2. That Muslims would be confronted with the truth of the Questions impossible for them to ask
3. That Muslims will begin to ask themselves questions that will lead them to freedom by the truth in the Messiah
4. Christians in evangelism are armed with relevant answers to their faith as well as relevant questions to ask Muslims.


We will pray and confront every foundation of the religion of the antichrist

Amen

SIRTee15:


So are u saying Shia and ahmadiyah Muslims follow true Islam.

Then go back and learn what Islam means.

Those Shias and Ahamadis , what is the name of the God they worship? How many God(s) do they know? How many Times do they pray daily? What is the position of Prophet Muhammad amongst them? When they Fast collectively in which .months do they do it? What is their position on Zakats? Hajj?

Of cos there are minor differences in their beliefs but can you compare those differences with Unitarian Christians and the Trinity believing ones? The JW believe Jesus is also Angel Michael, the Catholics have Graven Images strewn all over the place of worship etc

So, who is more confused here?

advocatejare:

Lukuluku69 that can’t show his belief about the coming back of Jesus Christ in the Quran

As for drlateef, is a liar and a quack who lied that there is no poison that kills slowly he also lied that a grunting baby was mentioning Allah

https://www.nairaland.com/6980884/newborn-baby-says-allah-instead#110138230

Drlateef also lied that Muhammad was given signs when the Quran said that he was not, can you now see that lateef doesn’t know anything about Islam?

IL- LegalWolf is a dullard, he doesn’t know anything

Sometimes, before you hit the "submit" button, read what you typed to yourself!

How can you ask a Muslim to show his belief when itgat which you seek is clearly stated in the Quran? If you want to know what my Beliefs are, Read the Quran and the Authentic Hadeeths, therein are what my Belief/s are. To come out and say I should state my belief on matters of Faith is asinine.

TenQ:

Lukuluku69 and Drlateef are even fair!
They seem to know their religion BUT LegalWolf can only argue technicalities while using every rule in the book to digress from the matter of question

Lol

I seem to know my Religion?

advocatejare:

He’s an empty barrel who knows nothing else than noise making, that’s why I call him IL- LegalWolf


That’s another confused person like Lukuluku69 and Drlateef

So, of all the years you have been reading the Quran, you have not come across references to Prophet Isa second advent? Not surprised in any way, you once told me to post my source when I told you that your man-god went to Hell Fire. So, nothing new, if you asked nicely , I will point you to the verses in the Quran.

TenQ:

AntiChristian , Lukuluku69
The Quran did not say anything about the Return of Jesus!
I just checked!

1. Where did the Nigerian Muslims get the fact that Jesus wouldn't come again/
2. Where did the "Saudi/White" scholars get the information that Jesus is coming back again to rule the whole world from Jerusalem?


Up till now, i never knew that there is no unanimous consensus by Muslims on the Return of Jesus!

Read some more you will find

MightySparrow:



Meaning that Muslims can interprete Qur'an with their own colouration , shey?

Are you sunni or shia or... ?

Tell me the position of Quran and Hadith different than the position these scholars of yours.

Just as Every Christians, every Hindu and every Jew do interprete their Scriptures with their own colouration, Yes some Muslims Scholars do so. And as a Christian, this should not be a new thing to you. That is why you have a thousands of Different Voices and Different Doctrines amongst you.

And Yes Muslims Scholars do and can misinterpret a passage either out of ignorance or to cause mischief. They are Humans too and open to the failings of being human.

So, for you, what you look out for is what the Text of the Quran says and what is the Prophetic utterances says. Once you can establish that, let the Schars says whatever he feels like, those are his words.

You are asking wether I am Sunni or Shia? Lol

Are you Catholic , Anglican, Cele, Orthodox , Mormon, JW or the other uncountable Sects out there too.

Lukuluku69:


Read some more you will find

If I found any in the quran I wouldn't have asked you if the quran specifically speaks about the return of Jesus.

I know that several hadiths speak about this.

Thanks

Lukuluku69:


Just as Every Christians, every Hindu and every Jew do interprete their Scriptures with their own colouration, Yes some Muslims Scholars do so. And as a Christian, this should not be a new thing to you. That is why you have a thousands of Different Voices and Different Doctrines amongst you.

And Yes Muslims Scholars do and can misinterpret a passage either out of ignorance or to cause mischief. They are Humans too and open to the failings of being human.

So, for you, what you look out for is what the Text of the Quran says and what is the Prophetic utterances says. Once you can establish that, let the Schars says whatever he feels like, those are his words.

You are asking wether I am Sunni or Shia? Lol

Are you Catholic , Anglican, Cele, Orthodox , Mormon, JW or the other uncountable Sects out there too.

I perceive you think that only Sunni and probably Shia exist in Islam.

Let me first tell you what your prophet said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4596
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

The number of Islamic sects is even the highest in Islam except this hadiths is fabricated as usual.


If only you had read this, you would never have used number of sects or denomination as a jab point


Islamic schools and branches
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

Sorry to be disappointed as I know you wouldn't read the link.
Some examples of Your Islamic Religious Groups include Shīʿas and Sunnīs, Ibadis, Zaydīs, Ismāʿīlīs.

The Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī.

The above not speaking about the Ahmadiyya, Alawites, Quranists, and Shīʿas.

The argument of denominations in Christianity is very lame for justifying Islam

Lukuluku69:


So, of all the years you have been reading the Quran, you have not come across references to Prophet Isa second advent? Not surprised in any way, you once told me to post my source when I told you that your man-god went to Hell Fire. So, nothing new, if you asked nicely , I will point you to the verses in the Quran.

Olodo is asking me to ask nicely just because he doesn’t have an answer.

Stop asking foolish questions, provide the answer to the question I asked you or keep mute forever!

advocatejare:

Olodo is asking me to ask nicely just because he doesn’t have an answer.

Stop asking foolish questions, provide the answer to the question I asked you or keep mute forever!

I am not a mealy mouth someone who make wild claims. If I don't know it, I don't say it. Now think so a moment, that is if thinking is your thing, why would you ask me to post a reference when you are conversant or in the know of what I claimed? How does that sound to you?

And under what obligation am I to answer to stupi.d questions?

TenQ:

I perceive you think that only Sunni and probably Shia exist in Islam.

Let me first tell you what your prophet said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4596
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.

The number of Islamic sects is even the highest in Islam except this hadiths is fabricated as usual.


If only you had read this, you would never have used number of sects or denomination as a jab point


Islamic schools and branches
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

Sorry to be disappointed as I know you wouldn't read the link.
Some examples of Your Islamic Religious Groups include Shīʿas and Sunnīs, Ibadis, Zaydīs, Ismāʿīlīs.

The Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī.

The above not speaking about the Ahmadiyya, Alawites, Quranists, and Shīʿas.

The argument of denominations in Christianity is very lame for justifying Islam

To start with, there is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU can post or would post about MY ISLAM or About The Prophet I have not come across. Nothing. So, stop with your the Prophet says drool. I know what The Prophet said and what it means unlike you looking or reading your own meanings into them.

Of cos there are nomenclatures likes Sunni, Shia,Ahmadiyah and what have you. But what you failed to realize is the fact that all these SECTS still holds Allah has The Supreme Being, Pray Five Times Daily, Pay the Zakat, Fast During Ramadan and look forward to going for Hajj. That is their Islam. The minor or major differences are only in their interpretations (wrongly) of Verses.

Now, coming to your own people , do You guys agree on the Name of God yet? Have you agreed on who Jesus is? Some say he is "God", some say he is a man, some say he is a man-god morphing every now and then according to your interpretations.

The Unitarians amongst you say he is not God, the Trinitarians says he is one of the Triune Gods, I can go on and on....

As for the differences amongst Muslims as long as those differences doesn't make you take another being as God Almighty, you will be punished for that wrong and what you made people follow outside what is right and you will be pardon for at least not fall into the shirk of worshipping others except God.