TenQ:

If I found any in the quran I wouldn't have asked you if the quran specifically speaks about the return of Jesus.

I know that several hadiths speak about this.

Thanks

Keep reading then.

Sebi you like reading.

Keep reading I am sure you will find it.

Lukuluku69:


I am not a mealy mouth someone who make wild claims. If I don't know it, I don't say it. Now think so a moment, that is if thinking is your thing, why would you ask me to post a reference when you are conversant or in the know of what I claimed? How does that sound to you?

And under what obligation am I to answer to stupi.d questions?

I posted a video of two different set of Muslims reading the same books but saying different things and because you and I have always be engaging each other here I asked for your belief but you’re so dense that you can’t tell me what your belief is. You’re not under any obligation to answer me, it only shows that you don’t understand religion you claim to be practicing!

advocatejare:

I posted a video of two different set of Muslims reading the same books but saying different things and because you and I have always be engaging each other here I asked for your belief but you’re so dense that you can’t tell me what your belief is. You’re not under any obligation to answer me, it only shows that you don’t understand religion you claim to be practicing!

It is suppose to be an Opinion not a Belief!

Those two Scholars are voicing opinions not a belief.

The Muslims Belief can be found in our articles of Faith and not what some scholars says.

That said, as someone who is on Islam and Muslims matter and Google, Wikipedia user you ought to have use those search engines to learn before you rush here to make a post.

Lukuluku69:


It is suppose to be an Opinion not a Belief!

Those two Scholars are voicing opinions not a belief.

The Muslims Belief can be found in our articles of Faith and not what some scholars says.

That said, as someone who is on Islam and Muslims matter and Google, Wikipedia user you ought to have use those search engines to learn before you rush here to make a post.

So are you saying that your scholars don’t believe in your books and resorted to voicing their opinions?

How can scholars voice opinions when the evidence is in the books? Obviously, they don’t trust your books

advocatejare:

So are you saying that your scholars don’t believe in your books and resorted to voicing their opinions?

How can scholars voice opinions when the evidence is in the books? Obviously, they don’t trust your books

I can sense some calmness in you today. Nice 👍👍.

You see Scholars for some reasons best known to themselves, do follow some Agenda. Be it a Jewish Scholar, Christian or Hindu ones, same for the Muslims or should I say Islamic Scholars.

I will give you an example you can relate to. Jesus said "Hear O Israel the Lord Our God is One God" no where did he mentioned the Holy Spirit being a God nor he said " I Jesus is God" but what are your Scholars saying today and before?

On the issue of Jesus Second advent, the Quran did not mince words on it and you will find copious references of same in the hadiths.

So, for me any matter that the Quran has definite pronouncement/s on, it is not a matter of what my opinions are or what my interpretations are, my motto is " I hear and I obey"

So, for the so-called Scholars, they will be punished both in this world and the one to come for any wrong notions attributed to the Divine.

Lukuluku69:


Keep reading then.

Sebi you like reading.

Keep reading I am sure you will find it.

That means it isn't there.

I can't find the report about to return of Jesus and no Muslim Can show me where it is.

Too bad!

TenQ:

That means it isn't there.

I can't find the report about to return of Jesus and no Muslim Can show me where it is.

Too bad!

Lol

Still can't find it? Try more man! Try more....

Lukuluku69:


To start with, there is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU can post or would post about MY ISLAM or About The Prophet I have not come across. Nothing. So, stop with your the Prophet says drool. I know what The Prophet said and what it means unlike you looking or reading your own meanings into them.

Of cos there are nomenclatures likes Sunni, Shia,Ahmadiyah and what have you. But what you failed to realize is the fact that all these SECTS still holds Allah has The Supreme Being, Pray Five Times Daily, Pay the Zakat, Fast During Ramadan and look forward to going for Hajj. That is their Islam. The minor or major differences are only in their interpretations (wrongly) of Verses.

Now, coming to your own people , do You guys agree on the Name of God yet? Have you agreed on who Jesus is? Some say he is "God", some say he is a man, some say he is a man-god morphing every now and then according to your interpretations.

The Unitarians amongst you say he is not God, the Trinitarians says he is one of the Triune Gods, I can go on and on....

As for the differences amongst Muslims as long as those differences doesn't make you take another being as God Almighty, you will be punished for that wrong and what you made people follow outside what is right and you will be pardon for at least not fall into the shirk of worshipping others except God.

Why did you not deny your prophet as lying. He says Islamic sects would be 73 sects.

It seems he also reported somewhere that only One out of the 73 will enter paradise.

This mean that a MAXIMUM of (1÷73)%=1.37% of you Muslims will enter paradise. And this will happen if EVERYONE within a sect is a True Muslim.

Please, which of the 73 sects is your's?

TenQ:

Why did you not deny your prophet as lying. He says Islamic sects would be 73 sects.

It seems he also reported somewhere that only One out of the 73 will enter paradise.

This mean that a MAXIMUM of (1÷73)%=1.37% of you Muslims will enter paradise. And this will happen if EVERYONE within a sect is a True Muslim.

Please, which of the 73 sects is your's?

The problem with you is that you assume too much, you over cook your responses. That said, I will still respond.

Jesus did he not say some of his followers will be denied on Judgement Day? " Many will say to me Lord, Lord in your name we have done many wonderfully things etc and I will say to them depart from me?" If Jesus deny you on Judgement Day, na where you go end up?

Of cos there are Sects in Islam but look at it thoroughly, there Islam is somewhat in place! The Hanafi, Hambali and those you mentioned, read their Books and tell us how many Gods they worship or recognized. Also, tell us from their writings how many Prayers they recognized daily, whether they pay Zakat or not and what they do during the month of Ramadan, I will wait..... Sebi Dem talk say you like Research? Oya nah.

Lol at your childish mathematics and "slowpokish" assumptions on 1÷73=1.37. Very funny, I know your Cousins here would lap it up and hail you.

Being Sects in Islam has to do with Deviation from the Mainstream of Islam. Just minor details here and there but no major differences and I have given you an example. Bring me, a SECT amongst Muslims that doesn't see Allah as God Almighty, Prophet Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah the same way you have Unitarian Christians and Trinitarians, the same way the JW says Jesus will morph into Angel Michael etc then we are in business.

And of cos erring Muslims will go to Jahanam for any wrongs not forgiven them while on Terra Firma but ultimately they will be pardoned. Read up, O confused Soul

And to your question about which "Sects" I belonged to? The Sects that upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our blessed Prophet( peace be upon him)

Lukuluku69:


The problem with you is that you assume too much, you over cook your responses. That said, I will still respond.

Jesus did he not say some of his followers will be denied on Judgement Day? " Many will say to me Lord, Lord in your name we have done many wonderfully things etc and I will say to them depart from me?" If Jesus deny you on Judgement Day, na where you go end up?

Of cos there are Sects in Islam but look at it thoroughly, there Islam is somewhat in place! The Hanafi, Hambali and those you mentioned, read their Books and tell us how many Gods they worship or recognized. Also, tell us from their writings how many Prayers they recognized daily, whether they pay Zakat or not and what they do during the month of Ramadan, I will wait..... Sebi Dem talk say you like Research? Oya nah.

Lol at your childish mathematics and "slowpokish" assumptions on 1÷73=1.37. Very funny, I know your Cousins here would lap it up and hail you.

Being Sects in Islam has to do with Deviation from the Mainstream of Islam. Just minor details here and there but no major differences and I have given you an example. Bring me, a SECT amongst Muslims that doesn't see Allah as God Almighty, Prophet Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah the same way you have Unitarian Christians and Trinitarians, the same way the JW says Jesus will morph into Angel Michael etc then we are in business.

And of cos erring Muslims will go to Jahanam for any wrongs not forgiven them while on Terra Firma but ultimately they will be pardoned. Read up, O confused Soul

And to your question about which "Sects" I belonged to? The Sects that upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our blessed Prophet( peace be upon him)

Jesus gave the conditions for His people getting a space in paradise : obedience to His words. This is correct, a person must bring the required fruit of obedience not just the ceremony of empty statement of "I am born again!" . Very understandable!

I am saying only that your prophet said about you Muslims. 1/73 is a ridiculously low number: don't you think so?


It is scary if only a MAXIMUM of (1÷73)%=1.37% of you Muslims will enter paradise. And this will happen if EVERYONE within a sect is a True Muslim.

Please, which of the 73 sects is your's?

TenQ:

Jesus gave the conditions for His people getting a space in paradise : obedience to His words. This is correct, a person must bring the required fruit of obedience not just the ceremony of empty statement of "I am born again!" . Very understandable!

I am saying only that your prophet said about you Muslims. 1/73 is a ridiculously low number: don't you think so?


It is scary if only a MAXIMUM of (1÷73)%=1.37% of you Muslims will enter paradise. And this will happen if EVERYONE within a sect is a True Muslim.

Please, which of the 73 sects is your's?

Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them is a reward uninterrupted. Quran 41:8

As for my Sect, I am with those who believe in The Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our beloved Prophet.

Are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian Christian? Or you congregate with the Sodomite loving Anglicans? Or the Image worshipping Catholics? Show your color man!

Lukuluku69:


Lol

Still can't find it? Try more man! Try more....

Asking me to find something that doesn't even exist in his quran is a fraud!

Swear by Allah or the Fig tree that the coming of Jesus is in the Quran!

TenQ:

Asking me to find something that doesn't even exist in his quran is a fraud!

Swear by Allah or the Fig tree that the coming of Jesus is in the Quran!

I swear by Allah that the Second advent of Prophet Isa ibn Maryam is mentioned in the Glorious Quran

Any other thing?

And if you want to keep the convo going, refrain from going overboard with you adjectives. I know it is in you to over elaborate and use meaningless and unnecessary words to score non existing points. Just ease off on the adjectives!

And if you desire to know why Allah swear by the Fig Tree or why Jesus Cursed it too, ask! But do so nicely

Lukuluku69:


Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them is a reward uninterrupted. Quran 41:8

As for my Sect, I am with those who believe in The Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our beloved Prophet.

Are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian Christian? Or you congregate with the Sodomite loving Anglicans? Or the Image worshipping Catholics? Show your color man!

When you didn't tell me the name of your sect!

Jhn 3:36:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God stays on him.""


Do you believe in the Son?

TenQ:

When you didn't tell me the name of your sect!

Jhn 3:36:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God stays on him.""


Do you believe in the Son?

Read Suratul Iklas, it will answer your question.

Lukuluku69:


Read Suratul Iklas, it will answer your question.

The question is simple: yes or no

Do you believe in the Son?
The Word of God who became Human known as The Son of God here on earth!

TenQ:

The question is simple: yes or no

Do you believe in the Son?

Which son?

The answer is even simpler.

Read Suratul Iklas. You will find your answer therein

Lukuluku69:


I swear by Allah that the Second advent of Prophet Isa ibn Maryam is mentioned in the Glorious Quran

Any other thing?

And if you want to keep the convo going, refrain from going overboard with you adjectives. I know it is in you to over elaborate and use meaningless and unnecessary words to score non existing points. Just ease off on the adjectives!

And if you desire to know why Allah swear by the Fig Tree or why Jesus Cursed it too, ask! But do so nicely

I can't honestly find where Jesus was said to return again in the Quran : therefore I ask as I want to know


Okay, I'll ask nicely!
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.
Heb 6:13-14:
"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he swore by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you."

Question:
With respect to the verse above where the God of Abraham cannot swear by Anything lower than Himself, why does Allah swear by the mundane like the Fig tree, the moon or the stars as the pagans do?

Thank you

Lukuluku69:


I can sense some calmness in you today. Nice 👍👍.

Because you decided to reason like a sensible human being today. You know you used to act as if you were a specialist in stupidity, and i used to treat you like that. If you’re responding sensibly, I’ll treat you well but if you wan to be foolish, you’ll get your size!

On the issue of Jesus Second advent, the Quran did not mince words on it and you will find copious references of same in the hadiths.

So, for me any matter that the Quran has definite pronouncement/s on, it is not a matter of what my opinions are or what my interpretations are, my motto is " I hear and I obey"

So, for the so-called Scholars, they will be punished both in this world and the one to come for any wrong notions attributed to the Divine.

You’re still beating about the bush, what did the Quran say about the coming of Jesus?

Lukuluku69:


Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them is a reward uninterrupted. Quran 41:8

As for my Sect, I am with those who believe in The Quran and the Prophetic Traditions of our beloved Prophet.

Are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian Christian? Or you congregate with the Sodomite loving Anglicans? Or the Image worshipping Catholics? Show your color man!

You did Not mention the name of your sect sir

TenQ:

I can't honestly find where Jesus was said to return again in the Quran : therefore I ask as I want to know


Okay, I'll ask nicely!
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.
Heb 6:13-14:
"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he swore by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you."

Question:
With respect to the verse above where the God of Abraham cannot swear by Anything lower than Himself, why does Allah swear by the mundane like the Fig tree, the moon or the stars as the pagans do?

Thank you

You can't find it ke? You must find it o! So, do some readings...

As for swearing, you call it swearing but if you look at the Quranic Language, it is I call to Witness...... The Stars, the Moon etc. And Allah is the Almighty he disdain not to do what he wishes nor use anything to pass a message across.

And the Fig Tree represents Israel too. It is not mundane thing. Read the Bible. That is the symbolic meaning of Jesus CURSING That Fig Tree when it couldn't hear FRUITS. Jesus CURSED Israel! After him, NO MORE FRUITS (Prophets ) till the end of Time and that Fruits will be given to ANOTHER NATION. But the Canal Greeks that redacted the Jesus story thought he was Hungry

TenQ:

You did Not mention the name of your sect sir

I did. Read again.

And are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian? Gay loving Anglicans or image worshipping Catholics ? Fly your color

Lukuluku69:


I did. Read again.

And are you a Unitarian or Trinitarian? Gay loving Anglicans or image worshipping Catholics ? Fly your color

You did not!

AntiChristian:
We have only one Islam! Islam and Muhammad came from Saudi Arabia and is established on the texts! I am for the texts of Islam and owe no allegiance to any country!

Christianity no longer exist pass 10% at its source!
Catholic Christians vs Chosen Christians vs Jehovah Witness vs Celestial Church Christians vs Cherubim & Seraphim Christians vs Celestial Church Christians vs Anglican Christians vs Seven Days Adventist Church Christians vs....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Just like your cursed deceptive Islamic scholars, you are avoiding the question.

Is Jesus coming back or not?

If so, why is it that it is not Mohamed that is coming back?

Is Mohamed in the grave?

Is Jesus in heaven?

Why are you following a dead person and rejecting a living person?

TenQ:

You did not!

My Sect is those of Prophet Muhammad followers who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions. That would place me with the Sunnis.

So, are you a Unitarian or Three in One Trinitarians? Gay loving Anglicans or the image worshippers in the Catholics or among the Thousand and one headless mob disturbing us daily with no tangible directions Doctrine wise?

Lukuluku69:


You can't find it ke? You must find it o! So, do some readings...

As for swearing, you call it swearing but if you look at the Quranic Language, it is I call to Witness...... The Stars, the Moon etc. And Allah is the Almighty he disdain not to do what he wishes nor use anything to pass a message across.

And the Fig Tree represents Israel too. It is not mundane thing. Read the Bible. That is the symbolic meaning of Jesus CURSING That Fig Tree when it couldn't hear FRUITS. Jesus CURSED Israel! After him, NO MORE FRUITS (Prophets ) till the end of Time and that Fruits will be given to ANOTHER NATION. But the Canal Greeks that redacted the Jesus story thought he was Hungry

I take it that you don't have it in the quran. Thanks. I'm no more interested

I defined swearing for you didn't I?
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.

The issue is Not just bearing a Witness : it is about it having the Power to bear witness.

Let me show you the weakness
Can the sun bear witness about a anything at night?

The God of Abraham cannot swear by anything lower than Himself, how come Allah swears by the mundane?




I am hearing this for the first time:
Does the Fig Tree truely represent Israel in Islam? Please give me a reference!

TenQ:

I take it that you don't have it in the quran. Thanks. I'm no more interested

I defined swearing for you didn't I?
Preamble :
Usually, swearing is done as an invocation of a higher power to bear testimony or evidence to your words or promise.

The issue is Not just bearing a Witness : it is about it having the Power to bear witness.

Let me show you the weakness
Can the sun bear witness about a anything at night?

The God of Abraham cannot swear by anything lower than Himself, how come Allah swears by the mundane?




I am hearing this for the first time:
Does the Fig Tree truely represent Israel in Islam? Please give me a reference!

Lol

So, you can't find it? Too bad.

I will teach you your Bible. No joke here.

I just watch when you guys make unfounded claims about Islam here and there. Everything thing the Muslims are doing is right there in your Bible. Every single thing.

Oneness of God, Zakat, Hajj, belief in the Prophets, belief in previous Books. Everything your book. But it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart. Once it is closed and diseased, the eyes will see what the heart dictates .

So, you don't know that the Fig Tree represents Israel? Even in your Bible? And you have been reading it for how long? And I am sure you never heard it before anywhere until when a Muslim tells you? Wonderful

Lukuluku69:


Then go back and learn what Islam means.

Those Shias and Ahamadis , what is the name of the God they worship? How many God(s) do they know? How many Times do they pray daily? What is the position of Prophet Muhammad amongst them? When they Fast collectively in which .months do they do it? What is their position on Zakats? Hajj?

Of cos there are minor differences in their beliefs but can you compare those differences with Unitarian Christians and the Trinity believing ones? The JW believe Jesus is also Angel Michael, the Catholics have Graven Images strewn all over the place of worship etc

So, who is more confused here?

So ahmadiyah Muslims that claim Muhammed is not the last prophet are true Muslims?
Is that not a core tenet of Islamic faith- didn't Muhammed himself said he's the final prophet.

Who's Mirza Gulam Ahmad? so u think it's a minor islamic doctrinal difference for prophets to come after Muhammed.

Believe in Jesus as son of God is trinity. So Unitarian Christians are only in delusion. The Jews said Jesus commited blasphemy by saying he's the son of God and had him killed. that should tell u something about that phrase.

Lukuluku69:


My Sect is those of Prophet Muhammad followers who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions. That would place me with the Sunnis.

So, are you a Unitarian or Three in One Trinitarians? Gay loving Anglicans or the image worshippers in the Catholics or among the Thousand and one headless mob disturbing us daily with no tangible directions Doctrine wise?

The Sunni is a broad group, don't forget the the Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī. So, which one are you?

Sorry to disappoint you, I do not belong to all you've listed.

TenQ:

The Sunni is a broad group, don't forget the the Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī. So, which one are you?

Sorry to disappoint you, I do not belong to all you've listed.

Glad to see that your education about Sects in Islam is not a waste. EVERYONE and ANYONE who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions is with the MAINSTREAM. The Sunnis. As you can see your Ambali, Hanafi and what have you have nothing to do with Sects as you understand it with Christianity. Hambali school of thoughts will never tell you that folding your arms across your chest will make you a Jahanam candidates the way the JW are putting everyone of you in the same basket or the way the Catholics are saying without the effigies of Angels and men others are doomed to hellfire.

So, you attend your own church alone? Lol. Abeg spin another one!

Lukuluku69:

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Lol

So, you can't find it? Too bad.

I will teach you your Bible. No joke here.

I just watch when you guys make unfounded claims about Islam here and there. Everything thing the Muslims are doing is right there in your Bible. Every single thing.

Oneness of God, Zakat, Hajj, belief in the Prophets, belief in previous Books. Everything your book. But it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart. Once it is closed and diseased, the eyes will see what the heart dictates .

What has Jesus returning again as written in the Quran got to do with the Bible?

Since you were not quoting the reference, I am no more interested. QED!

Lukuluku69:

So, you don't know that the Fig Tree represents Israel? Even in your Bible? And you have been reading it for how long? And I am sure you never heard it before anywhere until when a Muslim tells you? Wonderful

Evidence from your Quran that Israel is the Fig tree by which Allah swears.

You said Jesus cursed the Fig tree but Allah swears by the tree Jesus cursed.

Does this make sense to you?


Why does Allah swear by the Fig Tree?

Lukuluku69:


Glad to see that your education about Sects in Islam is not a waste. EVERYONE and ANYONE who upholds the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions is with the MAINSTREAM. The Sunnis. As you can see your Ambali, Hanafi and what have you have nothing to do with Sects as you understand it with Christianity. Hambali school of thoughts will never tell you that folding your arms across your chest will make you a Jahanam candidates the way the JW are putting everyone of you in the same basket or the way the Catholics are saying without the effigies of Angels and men others are doomed to hellfire.

So, you attend your own church alone? Lol. Abeg spin another one!

You are Sunni: which sect of Sunnis are you?
The Sunni is a broad group, don't forget the the Sunni alone are subdivided into schools of theology such as the Atharī, Ashʿarī, Māturīdī and schools of jurisprudence
such as the Ḥanafī, Mālikī, Shāfiʿī and Ḥanbalī. So, which one are you?