J12:

Women have the inherent purpose of child bearing and rearing, which can last a majority of their lives; whereas, men have no permanent purpose in life.

But how can women bear/rear without men? Men serve the same permanent purpose as women.

shymmex:

You don't have to be a 'religionist' to believe in God..

My point is, if you don't believe in God - then you've to believe in science.. There's no mid-way between the two - and anyone who does that, will only get more confused...

I personally don't have a problem with you being an atheist, but saying people who believe in God are primitive - when you also believe in something, which can also be called primitive by certain people... It goes both ways!

There's no good, or bad - it depends on the angle you look at it.. What's good to you may be bad to the next man, and vice versa.

What a commanding tone! Very imperative indeed! I am a free thinker. More on equal footing with reality.PERIOD!

Shollypopz: ^^i hope u are not inferring that Christians are not intelligent, open-minded, and intriguing.

Christians and Muslims aren't intelligent in my opinion for believing and adhering to things that aren't provable. Jesus turning water to wine is acceptable but a Babalawo that gives me power to do just that is considered demonic from the PoV of a Nigeria Christian or Muslim. Muslims pelting shaitan, a the highly ranked villain in the world whom no human has seen or videoed. But anyone can videoshoot an egungun disappearing and reappearing during the peak of a traditional festival is tagged 'devilish things' because of the longterm brainwasheing from Bible and Pastors some of whom who secretly acquire these powers to convince mugus they are indeed in contact with God.

all4naija: Maybe, it would be better to say that certain things take time to find out or to be known.

Its all the same thing. Since the existence and nonexistence of God is unprovable, it is reasonable to be an agnostic for the time being.

all4naija: It is an interesting thing to share ideas of knowledge of what you know. In your view I can see you're trying to be pragmatic yet non-absorbing by not yielding fully well to your perception, forgetting to accept reality and supernatural are just two different things - that one exist in reality and the other exist in imagination.

The existence of what exactly? You cannot see that you are pointing at a vacuum? It's either complete nothingness or absolute emptiness? Are you trying to justify the knowledge of nothing? Deviating towards religion is as bias as accepting the supernatural.. Marx has only been able to explain how we might be perceiving religion, but he definitely didn't answer all the questions (he didn't explain Christ). If there was a tangible explanation to everything nobody will accept religion. The fact there isn't just leaves us all open to make our choices.

401kk:

Its all the same thing. Since the existence and nonexistence of God is unprovable, it is reasonable to be an agnostic for the time being.

It is not actually the same thing. One is loosing hope the other is we know nature abound with unlimited abilities. I am not saying you can not be agnostic in your views but just to put the line of words of yours in the proper way it's supposed to be. That is what I am saying.

Ileke-IdI:


But how can women bear/rear without men? Men serve the same permanent purpose as women.

Men also partake in child bearing/rearing responsibilities, but not for long like/as women are intended to.

queensmith:

The existence of what exactly? You cannot see that you are pointing at a vacuum? It's either complete nothingness or absolute emptiness? Are you trying to justify the knowledge of nothing? Deviating towards religion is as bias as accepting the supernatural.. Marx has only been able to explain how we might be perceiving religion, but he definitely didn't answer all the questions (he didn't explain Christ). If there was a tangible explanation to everything nobody will accept religion. The fact there isn't just leaves us all open to make our choices.

You have always misunderstood me. However, using the word exist as regard supernatural is for definition purpose only. Now, I hope you understand me correctly?

401kk:

Too much TESTOSTERONE. lol

Then all men should be in prison no?

naa. I don't agree with you.
We are now in the 21ist century, women are now being encouraged (more than we men) to think out of the box. Still, women are more religious than men. Being more religious implies that they adhere to an established, popular, spirituality with a hierarchical structure and an authority figure in place. Women are more prone to follow this; women are by nature, and by necessity, followers. Thats also why we have more female groupies btw

No, the first statement isn't true. The only thing women are being encouraged to do more than men now is look good! You have also completely denied the subordination and made the impression that women have been nurtured equally to men. Stating women adhere to hierarchical structure only contradicts the point you are trying to make since the fact you are debating is that women have been second rate citizens for hundreds (possibly thousands) of years. Do you expect things to change overnight?
Women were made to follow, it has been proven that given the chance and the equal oppotunity women are more likely to lead, so there is no scientific basis for that statement (which is bullshyte )

Logic Mind:

If it is only their own life they waste, then there wouldn't be any problem.

Well yes, but my philosophy on things is that life shouldn't be wasted. We humans have been blessed with something special, yet we have found a way to spend out time frolicking on death. Such a connundrum. lol

all4naija: It is not actually the same thing. One is loosing hope the other is we know nature abound with unlimited abilities. I am not saying you can not be agnostic in your views but just to put the line of words of yours in the proper way it's supposed to be. That is what I am saying.

You said "it would be better to say that certain things take time to find out or to be known."

It will be very foolish to believe that something that is non empirical like faith "takes time to find out". That is faith itself and it is not something I'll entangle myself in.

shymmex:

If you believe in the big b.ang theory (which is also not proven) - it shows you also believe in something... Don't you think you guys are being hypocrites here?

Is the big b.ang theory proven?

Just by calling it a 'theory' shows it isn't proven (I'm a science student and I know theories and hypothesis are assertions which are yet to be proven).

not all atheist agree with the big slam theory, there are other theories out there. The reason why some agree with it is due to the more logical explanation it offers (certainly better than 'god did it).

all4naija: This is where supernatural has be eroded by those who keeps connoting it on a different ground. The fact is that supernatural cannot exist in the natural has be proven to be real because natural exist and supernatural doesn't(not because it cannot be seen but because it is imagination). Some force beyond scientific understanding is not supernatural it is beyond scientific understanding due to the available resources to human at the moment. Magic is one of them and we have come to know that most magic are tricks!

Then, I would like to know little about the supernatural things you experience daily, my dear.

Can you see the speed of sound? But why do you believe sound travels at a speed?

Basically, my point is that both the concept of God - and the concept of no God, thrives on idealism.. It's two sides to the same coin in my opinion.

401kk:

You said "it would be better to say that certain things take time to find out or to be known."

It will be very foolish to believe that something that is non empirical like faith "takes time to find out". That is faith itself and it is not something I'll entangle myself in.

You still haven't got it. I mean there is need to be realistic than being conclusive(Like when you say there are things which can not be known) like the Theists(conclusive in the sense like Theists do not that you are like Theists!).

shymmex:

Can you see the speed of sound? But why do you believe sound travels at a speed?

Basically, my point is that both the concept of God - and the concept of no God, thrives on idealism.. It's two sides to the same coin in my opinion.

Here you go again. But what you highlighted in my previous comment just proved your point.

No. They are not one coin of two sides. That is a poor analogy!

queensmith:

No, the first statement isn't true.

You got a better idea?

The only thing women are being encouraged to do more than men now is look good!

There are more females than male in schools right now (all over the world), so are you implying that women are only been taught how to look good in schools?

You have also completely denied the subordination and made the impression that women have been nurtured equally to men. Stating women adhere to hierarchical structure only contradicts the point you are trying to make since the fact you are debating is that women have been second rate citizens for hundreds (possibly thousands) of years. Do you expect things to change overnight?
Women were made to follow, it has been proven that given the chance and the equal oppotunity women are more likely to lead, so there is no scientific basis for that statement (which is bullshyte )

Women are now been equally nurtured to men ( at least for the past 80 years ), have the same equal opportunities as men, so give me another reason.

Heathen: not all atheist agree with the big slam theory, there are other theories out there. The reason why some agree with it is due to the more logical explanation it offers (certainly better than 'god did it).

Whatever 'theory' or 'theories' you agree with, shows that you also agree with something that's yet to be proven.. Anything with a theory label on it, is unproven... Heck, even some scientific laws which were proven in the past - have been discarded as being untrue... That's why science to me will always be inconclusive..

I grew up believing there were 9 planets - only to find out that there are billions of planets..

all4naija: Here you go again. But what you highlighted in my previous comment just proved your point.

No they are not one coin of two sides. That is a poor analogy!

So what analogy describes your "belief system?"

shymmex:

Whatever 'theory' or 'theories' you agree with, shows that you also agree with something that's yet to be proven.. Anything with a theory label on it, is unproven... Heck, even some scientific laws which were proven in the past - have been discarded as being untrue... That's why science to me will always be inconclusive..

I grew up believing there were 9 planets - only to find out that there are billions of planets..

I don't believe in anything. I admit, i know nothing about the origin of the universe, and i'm not going to pretend like i know.

shymmex:

So what analogy describes your "belief system?"

In sensitive issue like this one I would always like to be very pragmatic as possible. So, using analogy can some times leave out many important factors. Well, my possible analogy is(if I am forced to use one), would be two passengers arguing about a car heading toward a direction, one believes it can take him there while the other believes there is need to wait for a flying Spaghetti that doesn't exist. Not an excellent one though.

Your conscience and intuition should be able to prove the supernatural to you... You can feel it - and you know something definitely influences it.. That's the God concept to me..

shymmex:

Whatever 'theory' or 'theories' you agree with, shows that you also agree with something that's yet to be proven.. Anything with a theory label on it, is unproven... Heck, even some scientific laws which were proven in the past - have been discarded as being untrue... That's why science to me will always be inconclusive..

I grew up believing there were 9 planets - only to find out that there are billions of planets..

My goodness! Doesn't that seem to you as what has been discovered then were 9 planets? I know that's your youthful idea. Were you expecting them to say something otherwise all rather unusual like the Theists?

Heathen: I don't believe in anything. I admit, i know nothing about the origin of the universe, an not going to pretend like i know.

That's cool.. It's better to live that way than disapprove the next man's belief using another unproven theory.. It basically makes people more confused..

all4naija: My goodness! Doesn't that seem to you as what has been discovered then were 9 planets? I know that's your youthful idea. Were you expecting them to say something otherwise all rather unusual like the Theists?

My point is that science is inconclusive... Back then, it was the widely believed rule that we only had nine planets, and our knowledge was limited to that alone..

shymmex: Your conscience and intuition should be able to prove the supernatural to you... You can feel it - and you know something definitely influences it.. That's the God concept to me..

It boils down to feelings. I don't go or do things based on sentiments but on reality. Instincts by chance can be coincidental in nature. To be conscious is not an excuse for failing to see what reality is.

shymmex:

My point is that science is inconclusive... Back then, it was the widely believed rule that we only had nine planets, and our knowledge was limited to that alone..

Inconclusive? I wouldn't use that word if I were you. I would say Science is simply discovery and that is the reason why it remains opened to many things through real life phenomenon.

all4naija: In sensitive issue like this I would always like to be very pragmatic as possible. So, using analogy can some times leave out many important factors. Well, my possible analogy is(if I am force to use one), would be two passengers arguing about a car heading toward a direction, one believes it can take him there while the other believes there is need to wait for a flying Spaghetti that doesn't exist. Not an excellent one though.

The 'flying Spaghetti' analogy will only suit those who believe in the boogeyman belief system (religionist) - between them, and the God concept...

The 'direction' there is the God concept - which means you're basically traveling towards no direction..Go figure!

401kk:

You got a better idea?.

to your lies?

401kk: There are more females than male in schools right now (all over the world), so are you implying that women are only been taught how to look good in schools?.

Worldwide? You sure?

What does the media of now tell you?

401kk: Women are now been equally nurtured to men ( at least for the past 80 years ), have the same equal opportunities as men, so give me another reason.

sarcasm?

shymmex:

The 'flying Spaghetti' analogy will only suit those who believe in the boogeyman belief system (religionist) - between them, and the God concept...

The 'direction' there is the God concept - which means you're basically traveling towards no direction..Go figure!

That is why I said I don't resort to analogy in sensitive issues in my previous comment. No! The direction is to find evidences which point to reality in all of these arguments.

all4naija: Inconclusive? I wouldn't use that word if I were you. I would say Science is simply discovery and that is the reason why it remains opened to many things through real life phenomenon.

Anything that can't be conclusive, is definitely inconclusive.. Science evolves everyday due to our level of consciousness - if we don't evolve, science won't evolve as well.. And I would say the reason why our consciousness evolves everyday is basically because of the 'supernatural' - which science itself can't explain.. We as humans are the brains behind science, and without us - there's no science, period.

Gnosticism teaches that the material world and its Creator are evil. We are divine sparks trapped in an evil world and our task is to learn the sacred knowledge that will allow us to return to our divine origins. We live in an evil world ruled by an evil Master, above which resides the True God, to whom we must return.



Neoplatonism teaches that matter is evil, but denies that there is an evil Creator. We have a divine nature that we have forgotten as a result of being enmeshed in the material world, but we can learn how to return to our natural divinity. We are interacting with an evil substance (matter) but everything else reflects a good cosmos and a divine ruling consciousness to which we can return.



Hermeticism teaches that matter isn't evil and nor is there an evil Creator. Evil exists naturally, so to speak, and our task is to purify ourselves of all impurities and bring forth our true divine natures in their golden perfection. The essence of Hermeticism is that the cosmos is basically good, and humanity reflects the cosmos, so humanity is basically good too (as above, so below). Just as we can perfect ourselves, so can the cosmos perfect itself. Our efforts to make ourselves better actually make the cosmos better. God's perfection is completed through us.



All three schools of thought originated in Pythagorean Illuminism. Illuminism, by using an enormously more sophisticated mathematical, scientific and philosophical terminology can reveal the strengths and weaknesses of each of these individual schools. In relation to the problem of evil, Illuminism introduces ancillary concepts such as alienation, otherness, individuation, and the master-slave dialectic. In relation to matter, Illuminism introduces the r >= 0 cosmic equation, revealing the link between the dimensional and dimensionless, the physical cosmos and the mental cosmos. By giving central importance to the dialectic, Illuminism turns everything into a process of becoming. We and God are becoming. We and God are perfecting ourselves. God cannot be perfect until we are because we are part of God and he is part of us, for that is the meaning of the r = 0 domain outside space and time where everything is connected. Illuminism is the one true perennial philosophy because it is based on dialectical evolution and always reflects the times. It is never out of date, never out of fashion, never disproved by the facts. Gnosticism, Neoplatonism and Hermeticism are all happily embraced by Illuminism. Illuminism emphasises the Gnostic angle when addressing the evil of the Old World Order. It emphasises Neoplatonism in terms of the related concepts of the One, Nous and Psyche (although it handles these concepts with more scientific rigour), and it emphasises Hermeticism in the idea of humanity and God both evolving towards perfection - where finally they meet at the Omega Point and it becomes impossible to distinguish between them. We complete God's evolutionary journey and he completes ours. We fulfil the core principle of Illuminism: we literally BECOME GOD.



When you first encountered that idea, you may have thought it sounded bizarre. Now you see that it represents the highest and noblest aspiration that humanity has cherished for thousands of years. The very best human minds have dedicated themselves to the sacred quest. They have had to endure living in parallel with an exceptionally powerful enemy sworn to the absolutely opposite agenda. The Abrahamists, the worshippers of the Devil, of everything that is worst in the human condition, have systematically tried to assert that human beings have no relationship whatsoever with God, other than that of abject slaves. Throughout history, they have executed everyone they caught who dared to suggest that humans could become God, thus forcing the finest human beings "underground", pushing them into secret societies where they could breathe healthy air for once.



The secret history of the human race is its true history. It is the history you will never read about in the world controlled by the Old World Order who have no narrative to tell other than their own, the one they use to turn the rest of humanity into their slaves and to exert total control over them.



The Abrahamists say that we are nothing compared with God and will remain nothing for eternity. The secret societies say that we are potentially divine and one day we will actually be divine. Which of these two worldviews you buy into inevitably determines the shape of your life and everything you think about life, and your opinion of those who control this world. The Illuminati reject the entire narrative sold by the Old World Order. The Illuminati reject all authority that derives its "legitimacy" from the OWO. It rejects Judaism, Christianity and Islam in their entirety and looks forward to the fortunate day when these Satanic belief systems have been consigned to oblivion.

shymmex:

Anything that can't be conclusive, is definitely inconclusive.. Science evolves everyday due to our level of consciousness - if we don't evolve, science won't evolve as well.. And I would say the reason why our consciousness evolves everyday is basically because of the 'supernatural' - which science itself can't explain.. We as humans are the brains behind science, and without us - there's no science, period.

Truly, you formulate and procrastinate. You are using your basic human instincts to support your arguments. There is nothing wrong in that but don't expect everybody would agree with you.

all4naija: That is why I said I don't resort to analogy in sensitive issues in my previous comment. No! The direction is to find evidences which point to reality in all of these arguments.

If there is no evidence, will there be a 'direction' in the first place? The truth is that we can't take the God concept away from everything we do.. It's basically the essence of our presence on this planet.. Our conscience and intuition guide everything we do - that's where the supernatural realm takes place..