Uyi Iredia:

Fact 1 I talked about life on earth and not humans only. Almost everywhere on earth's surface is home to one lifeform or another

Fact 2 Evolution is a failed theory because it's basis is a fallacious one. I have said that natural selection is a reification. Nature cannot think. Feel free to engage yourself in a fallacy.

Fact 3 An uncaused cause does not require an infinity because its existence isn't a contingent. BTW infinity does exist in an abstract sense eg numerically and in a physical sense eg spatially

Fact 1; Unfortunately, that means that if there was a creator of earth, he was quite foolish to put humans on an earth that most of it is no habitable by humans.

Fact 2; You are a fool. No argument. Just neuter yourself. I hope you have no access to teaching children this stupidity. Evolution is a solid scientific theory.

Fact 3; An uncause cause exist eternally. Eternally means living infintely. Infinity does not exist in the real world. It exist as an abstract, therefore God is either non-existent or an abstract

Since evolution is the main reason we re here why hasn't a new species of human begin to surface . I believe evolution is a theory developed by a derailed mind (darwin) because the other option (GOD) is not acceptable to him so any else is acceptable , and the world (well mainly atheist in self denial) accept this because the concept of a higher beign is not acceptable to them. Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

lilcutie8916: Since evolution is the main reason we re here why hasn't a new species of human begin to surface . I believe evolution is a theory developed by a derailed mind (darwin) because the other option (GOD) is not acceptable to him so any else is acceptable , and the world (well mainly atheist in self denial) accept this because the concept of a higher beign is not acceptable to them. Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

Seriously, google has over half a billion links on evolution and you remain this ignorant?

lilcutie8916: Since evolution is the main reason we re here why hasn't a new species of human begin to surface . I believe evolution is a theory developed by a derailed mind (darwin) because the other option (GOD) is not acceptable to him so any else is acceptable , and the world (well mainly atheist in self denial) accept this because the concept of a higher beign is not acceptable to them. Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

Charles Darwin was a Christian on the HMS Beagle, the ship with which he collected his data. His book, ''On the origin of species'', reflected theological views . Check it out!

Uyi Iredia:

It is explained by a being which is responsible for laying down all existing cause-effect relationships. That being is God.

Btut you are claiming God caused the cause-effect relationship! This is an a contradiction! Either the cause and effect relationship pre existed God or not.

lilcutie8916: Since evolution is the main reason we re here why hasn't a new species of human begin to surface . I believe evolution is a theory developed by a derailed mind (darwin) because the other option (GOD) is not acceptable to him so any else is acceptable , and the world (well mainly atheist in self denial) accept this because the concept of a higher beign is not acceptable to them. Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

Because if you managed to read something on evolution, you will the aware of the time factor. Also its undeniably clear that new species somehow appear.

lilcutie8916: Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

Where dis god dey na? He's giving you too much work defending him etc. Let him just show up on CNN and I'll consider it. Else, why in the hell do you expect us to just take your word, and ridiculously childish and ignorant posts/logic, as true?

turnstoner:
Charles Darwin was a Christian on the HMS Beagle, the ship with which he collected his data. His book, ''On the origin of species'', reflected theological views . Check it out!

Even if he was a Christian, couldn't he have decided to no longer be one?

MacDaddy01:

Wow, what foolish thinking!

A mystery is not proof of anything. You dont say that "we dont know how Mr X died, therefore God killed him".

The pagan would say that the god of rain/water reveals himself through mysterious floods. That is the same nonsense you make when you claim that god reveals himself through mysteries.

Another thing is that a mystery by itself is unkown and not understandable. For you to claim that god did it is to acknowledge that you understand the mystery. Paradox. It is like christians claiming that the world was created in 6 days; are they geologists?

cant you do without the "F" word?

I thought that you/we have grown out of this?

mkmyers45:

From your theory of Intelligent design....How did god come about?

^^

how do you reconcile being a catholic and an atheist/agnostics?

thehomer:

But didn't predict the Americas, Australia or Antarctica. It didn't predict Hitler or Stalin it simply contains a bunch of things the people of that time thought. Having only that knowledge today would be considered ignorant.

wrong root.

The prediction is on the world empire that will have an impact on the coming of the masaiah.

That is exclusively the msg of the bible OT. How/to the masaiah.

MacDaddy01:


Seriously, google has over half a billion links on evolution and you remain this ignorant?

dont bother, i already know that Google is YOUR god that answers all your questions.

truthislight:

dont bother, i already know that Google is YOUR god that answers all your questions.

At least it is a helpful and harmless god that can be accessed anytime without prayerful begging. Your own god, Yaweh, not so much

truthislight:
^^

how do you reconcile being a catholic and an atheist/agnostics?

Its all part of the job

Uyi Iredia: God

is Eternity an uncaused cause?

Kay 17:

Btut you are claiming God caused the cause-effect relationship! This is an a contradiction! Either the cause and effect relationship pre existed God or not.

How is it a contradiction.?

MacDaddy01:

Fact 1; Unfortunately, that means that if there was a creator of earth, he was quite foolish to put humans on an earth that most of it is no habitable by humans.

Fact 2; You are a fool. No argument. Just neuter yourself. I hope you have no access to teaching children this stupidity. Evolution is a solid scientific theory.

Fact 3; An uncause cause exist eternally. Eternally means living infintely. Infinity does not exist in the real world. It exist as an abstract, therefore God is either non-existent or an abstract

Fact 1 The Creator did a better job than you could evEr hope to do. BesIides most places arE potentially habitable once the technology to build houses therE becomes available.

Fact 2 Evolution is a failed tHeory.

Fact 3. God is an iuncaiiused caiiuise and exists iin every sense of it.

Uyi Iredia:

Fact 1 The Creator did a better job than you could evEr hope to do. BesIides most places arE potentially habitable once the technology to build houses therE becomes available.

Fact 2 Evolution is a failed tHeory.

Fact 3. God is an iuncaiiused caiiuise and exists iin every sense of it.

Therefore santa is real.
And winchies

Uyi Iredia:

Fact 1 The Creator did a better job than you could evEr hope to do. BesIides most places arE potentially habitable once the technology to build houses therE becomes available.

Fact 2 Evolution is a failed tHeory.

Fact 3. God is an iuncaiiused caiiuise and exists iin every sense of it.

Fact one; There is no creator in the first place. This is all hypothetical. Even if there was, you'd have to thank him for diseases, evil, floods and natural disasters.

Fact two; Your god remains an unprovable hypothesis. Evolution is a scientifc theory taught in schools and and accepted by scientists. You can live in ignorance.

Fact three; There is no such thing as an uncaused cause.

Uyi Iredia:

How is it a contradiction.?

Saying that the causal principle existed and didn't exist prior to its creation.

Kay 17:

Saying that the causal principle existed and didn't exist prior to its creation.

No I'm saying that God is the reason for the cause-effect relationship. Simple. That's not saying they existed and didn't exist prior to their creation.

wiegraf:

Therefore santa is real.
And winchies

You are not serious. Your reply is weak.

MacDaddy01:


Fact one; There is no creator in the first place. This is all hypothetical. Even if there was, you'd have to thank him for diseases, evil, floods and natural disasters.

Fact two; Your god remains an unprovable hypothesis. Evolution is a scientifc theory taught in schools and and accepted by scientists. You can live in ignorance.

Fact three; There is no such thing as an uncaused cause.

Fact 1 There is a Creator. It is impossible for the universe to have magically created itself from nothing and therefore the best explanation remains a supernatural being endowed with superior powers & intellect and that's a fact. The problem of evil is simply an appeal to pity which I'm not buying.

Fact 2 Evolution is a failed theory and I've already told you why it is. feel free to engage yourself in fallacious thinking.

Fact 3 There is such a thing as an uncaused cause. You yourself must believe the The Big Bang is an uncaused cause since there is nothing behind it.

mkmyers45: Its all part of the job

lol.

You are a very funny guy.

fellis: Wiegraf you have never experienced anything of the supernatural?

Supernatural is simply something we dont understand.
My grandmother says that the mobile phone is a supernatural thing. Can you blame her?

She is very hesitant to speak to me on Skype because she is a christian and thinks it is the highest juju of the century.

I have experienced many things that you would call supernatural. Those things only add to the mystery of existence and deserve empirical study and analysis.
They do not , in any way , point to the existence of a super uncreated eternal creator.

Uyi Iredia:

Fact 1: Our solar system is perfect, just perfect for preserving life on earth and that's a fact.

Fact 2: Living creatures didn't evolve from other living things. Natural selection fails from the start because it is a reification of Nature. Nature lacks cognition and cannot select for new organs anywhere, anyhow and that's a fact.

Fact 3: God exists and you have as evidence the rock-solid law of cause & effect which is the basis of scientific investigations. An indepent cause effects a dependent event.

In what way is our solar system perfect for life? why dont we have life in all the planets?
Do you know how many extinction level events have occurred on earth in the past 4.7 billion yrs?
Even a melting of the polar ice caps in the polar regions can flood the earth and extinguish nearly all terrestial life forms.

How does the law of cause and effect prove that god exists?

Uyi Iredia:

No I'm saying that God is the reason for the cause-effect relationship. Simple. That's not saying they existed and didn't exist prior to their creation.

Pay little attention, from what you said: the causal relation is created by God, the act and necessity of creation betrays causality already! therefore the principle is being expressed before its creation

^^
So the principle of Causality can't be caused.

truthislight:

wrong root.

The prediction is on the world empire that will have an impact on the coming of the masaiah.

That is exclusively the msg of the bible OT. How/to the masaiah.

Where is this prediction you're talking about?

thehomer:

Where is this prediction you're talking about?

it is there in the bible,

outside this forum you can ask for it and it will be given/shown to you.

Peace

Kay 17:

Pay little attention, from what you said: the causal relation is created by God, the act and necessity of creation betrays causality already! therefore the principle is being expressed before its creation

Not quite. When I talk of cause & effect I'm talking about the relationship between various elements of the physical world as expressed in the hard sciences (i.e physics, chemistry& biology). The causality engendered from the very act of creation is seperate from the cause-effect relationships I'm talking about.

plaetton:

In what way is our solar system perfect for life? why dont we have life in all the planets?

It is actually perfect because it does the job of preserving life on earth. The earth is not too hot or too cold for life. You can complain but the fact is that life is on earth because we have the best configuration of the solar system. You are free to live on Venus.

plaetton: Do you know how many extinction level events have occurred on earth in the past 4.7 billion yrs?

So what ?

plaetton: Even a melting of the polar ice caps in the polar regions can flood the earth and extinguish nearly all terrestial life forms.

so what ?

plaetton: How does the law of cause and effect prove that god exists?

I see. Let's try this. How come we have cause & effect as espoused by physical laws such as the law of gravity ?