Uyi Iredia:

Not quite. When I talk of cause & effect I'm talking about the relationship between various elements of the physical world as expressed in the hard sciences (i.e physics, chemistry& biology). The causality engendered from the very act of creation is seperate from the cause-effect relationships I'm talking about.

I think its the same principle. Also demonstrates the pre existence of the Universe.

truthislight:

it is there in the bible,

outside this forum you can ask for it and it will be given/shown to you.

Peace

What are passages in the Bible show it? You can post the Bible reference here.

Kay 17:

I think its the same principle. Also demonstrates the pre existence of the Universe.

I think there's a difference. One is about relationships while the other is an action.

^^
Actions correlate with the relationship.

Let me make it easier, who created the causal relationship?

Sorry for responding late

lilcutie8916: I truly need ur help to make me understand why u dont believe in GOD and let me see if it might make sense to me .
Because the evedence is everywhere of GOD's existence but u still choose to be ignorant.

You don't need this

toba: You don't need this

Captain Hindsight, why are you 3 pages late?

Kay 17: ^^
Actions correlate with the relationship.

Let me make it easier, who created the causal relationship?

Sorry for responding late

God is responsible for the causal relationship. His very act which is a causality in itself is seperate from the causal relationships in the universe he established and which we observe.

Uyi Iredia:

God is responsible for the causal relationship. His very act which is a causality in itself is seperate from the causal relationships in the universe he established and which we observe.

Why does your god sound so ret.arded and schizophrenic?


He put cause an effect into all his creations and his actions but decides to create himself avoid being under cause and effect? lmao

MacDaddy01:

Why does your god sound so ret.arded and schizophrenic?


He put cause an effect into all his creations and his actions but decides to create himself avoid being under cause and effect? lmao

Stop looking for trouble like a little kid.

Uyi Iredia:

Stop looking for trouble like a little kid.

Truth hurts

#Butthurt

Please can any atheist explain to me how a man with just a T shirt isnt injured by gun fire tears his shirt does him no harm because i saw this happen with my own eyes.

MacDaddy, your atheism/materialist philosophy has no foundation in 21st century science and knowledge world. Your believe as materialist is devoid of fact that could be subjected to scientific proof. The reason you guys continue to support this fallacy of evolution, infinite matter and time is as a result of your delusion of facts of creation. Believe it or not, atheism/materialist/neo-darwinism is a religion that you guys propagate and fight with delusion. Evolution is deceit, which has its bedrock in materialist religion of Greek era. Darwin was not the originator, it is of Greek, but this has Darwin as early propagator along with his followers like you. Materialist philosophy has brought great damages and ignorance to this world when it most thrive in 19th century and earliest 20th century. As Darwinism fed racism in the 19th century, it formed the basis of an ideology that would develop and drown the world in blood in the 20th century-Nazism, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST in concept called NATURAL SELECTION. A strong Darwinist influence can be seen in Nazi ideologues. Nothing will materialism/atheism world will bring to this world but great ruin. Brother you bring forth your proof to dialogue if you have them, good day.

Hye-Bits:
MacDaddy, your atheism/materialist philosophy has no foundation in 21st century science and knowledge world. Your believe as materialist is devoid of fact that could be subjected to scientific proof. The reason you guys continue to support this fallacy of evolution, infinite matter and time is as a result of your delusion of facts of creation. Believe it or not, atheism/materialist/neo-darwinism is a religion that you guys propagate and fight with delusion. Evolution is deceit, which has its bedrock in materialist religion of Greek era. Darwin was not the originator, it is of Greek, but this has Darwin as early propagator along with his followers like you. Materialist philosophy has brought great damages and ignorance to this world when it most thrive in 19th century and earliest 20th century. As Darwinism fed racism in the 19th century, it formed the basis of an ideology that would develop and drown the world in blood in the 20th century-Nazism, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST in concept called NATURAL SELECTION. A strong Darwinist influence can be seen in Nazi ideologues. Nothing will materialism/atheism world will bring to this world but great ruin. Brother you bring forth your proof to dialogue if you have them, good day.

Darwinism is an ambiguous word. For you to start comparing Darwinism to Nazism or Nazi ideology, it shows a real ignorance on many things. Hitler was a catholic.

As for science, please explain how 7 billion human beings came from 2 people or how blacks are descendants of two Jewish/Hebrew people called Adam and Eve?

Uyi Iredia:

God is responsible for the causal relationship. His very act which is a causality in itself is seperate from the causal relationships in the universe he established and which we observe.

So some sort of universal causality is so important/necessary that even God uses it.

Hye-Bits:
MacDaddy, your atheism/materialist philosophy has no foundation in 21st century science and knowledge world. Your believe as materialist is devoid of fact that could be subjected to scientific proof. The reason you guys continue to support this fallacy of evolution, infinite matter and time is as a result of your delusion of facts of creation. Believe it or not, atheism/materialist/neo-darwinism is a religion that you guys propagate and fight with delusion. Evolution is deceit, which has its bedrock in materialist religion of Greek era. Darwin was not the originator, it is of Greek, but this has Darwin as early propagator along with his followers like you. Materialist philosophy has brought great damages and ignorance to this world when it most thrive in 19th century and earliest 20th century. As Darwinism fed racism in the 19th century, it formed the basis of an ideology that would develop and drown the world in blood in the 20th century-Nazism, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST in concept called NATURAL SELECTION. A strong Darwinist influence can be seen in Nazi ideologues. Nothing will materialism/atheism world will bring to this world but great ruin. Brother you bring forth your proof to dialogue if you have them, good day.

Questions of morality mingled indiscriminately with metaphysics

MacDaddy01:



Darwinism is an ambiguous word. For you to start comparing Darwinism to Nazism or Nazi ideology, it shows a real ignorance on many things. Hitler was a catholic.

As for science, please explain how 7 billion human beings came from 2 people or how blacks are descendants of two Jewish/Hebrew people called Adam and Eve?

On the issue of Darwinism and Nazi ideology, you have strayed so far from knowing the truth and this show your level of enlightenment-ignorance on the history of our world. In the first place, what you never knew was that Charles Darwin developed his theory when science was at his primitive state. Before Darwin, the most thoroughly considered view of evolution was expressed by French Biologist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, in his, Zoological Philosophy of 1809. The difference between his work and Darwin "Origin of Species" of 1831 was Darwin emphasis on Natural Selection. For your information the structure of the cell and DNA was not discovered at the time, if you know the implication of these discoveries to the fallacy of Evolution.

Then Darwinism and Nazism, may I bring to your notice that many followers of Darwinism were of Christian religion before the widespread of the work of Charles Darwin that popularize the believe in Darwinism-Evolution. In his book, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler specifically talked about struggle between races which form a basis in Darwin "Natural Selection". In the book, Hitler writes: "History would culminate in a new millennial empire of unparalleled splendour based on new racial hierarchy ordained by nature herself". In the 1933 Nuremberg party rally, Hitler proclaimed that "a higher race subjects to itself a lower race... a right which we see in nature and which can be regarded as the sole conceivable right". I never doubt Hitler was a Catholic but he had left the teachings to adopt the materialist view culminated in evolution, for which he was a firm believer and preacher. Hitler, who emerged with these views, dragged the world to violence that had never before seen in our world-The World Wars. Many more proof of this could be supplied, this for now.

Hye-Bits:


On the issue of Darwinism and Nazi ideology, you have strayed so far from knowing the truth and this show your level of enlightenment-ignorance on the history of our world. In the first place, what you never knew was that Charles Darwin developed his theory when science was at his primitive state. Before Darwin, the most thoroughly considered view of evolution was expressed by French Biologist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, in his, Zoological Philosophy of 1809. The difference between his work and Darwin "Origin of Species" of 1831 was Darwin emphasis on Natural Selection. For your information the structure of the cell and DNA was not discovered at the time, if you know the implication of these discoveries to the fallacy of Evolution.

Then Darwinism and Nazism, may I bring to your notice that many followers of Darwinism were of Christian religion before the widespread of the work of Charles Darwin that popularize the believe in Darwinism-Evolution. In his book, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler specifically talked about struggle between races which form a basis in Darwin "Natural Selection". In the book, Hitler writes: "History would culminate in a new millennial empire of unparalleled splendour based on new racial hierarchy ordained by nature herself". In the 1933 Nuremberg party rally, Hitler proclaimed that "a higher race subjects to itself a lower race... a right which we see in nature and which can be regarded as the sole conceivable right". I never doubt Hitler was a Catholic but he had left the teachings to adopt the materialist view culminated in evolution, for which he was a firm believer and preacher. Hitler, who emerged with these views, dragged the world to violence that had never before seen in our world-The World Wars. Many more proof of this could be supplied, this for now.

Lol....you are stretching the truth to fit your nonsense propaganda against atheism. Nazism has roots in christian ideology. End of story. Evolution is not an atheist ideology. Evolution is science. Atheism is a theological stance.


Furthermore, there were worse killers than Hitler. Many of them christians who enslaved, castrated and tortured unbelievers because they felt that they were better than unbelievers - a chosen christian race just like Nazis believed that they were a chosen Aryan race

MacDaddy01:

As for science, please explain how 7 billion human beings came from 2 people or how blacks are descendants of two Jewish/Hebrew people called Adam and Eve?

Fruitcake brother, the reason you are devoid of this is your ill-knowledge of the cosmic. The reason is because you believe that matter and time is absolute, this has been refuted by science of 20th century till present. Thanks to science. Then to Adam and eve, you may never understand my explanation, if you don't understand the nature of matter-your god-in the first place. Again, do you understand that, coming from your understanding that matter bequeath us over 300 billion galaxies, each galaxy having different shapes,colour and over 300 billion stars, one of which is our sun, the center of our solar system. If you believe this from your materialist views. Then which is difficult to believe, 7 billion human beings(black, white ,myriads of tribes and race) from two people or over 300 billion galaxies, each having over 300 billion stars with different colours and shapes formed from a single atom according to science. Think about this and we further engage. Good day brother.

@hye
Could you please enlighten us as to how the universe was created?

MacDaddy01:



Lol....you are stretching the truth to fit your nonsense propaganda against atheism. Nazism has roots in christian ideology. End of story. Evolution is not an atheist ideology. Evolution is science. Atheism is a theological stance.


Furthermore, there were worse killers than Hitler. Many of them christians who enslaved, castrated and tortured unbelievers because they felt that they were better than unbelievers - a chosen christian race just like Nazis believed that they were a chosen Aryan race

Kindly present your proof intellectually instead of jumbling an unconnected episode. Please read and study wide and wider. Evolution is never science, for it has not a single scientific proof since it has been hurled unto the innocent world. Evolution has ever been a philosophy, brother it has never been proof scientifically. Evolution and Atheism are two side of a coin, the foundation of their believe is on materialism/matter, which is fallacy and outright deceit. We can proof this historically and scientifically and weigh our facts side-by-side.

MacDaddy01:

Furthermore, there were worse killers than Hitler. Many of them christians who enslaved, castrated and tortured unbelievers because they felt that they were better than unbelievers - a chosen christian race just like Nazis believed that they were a chosen Aryan race

Not only Nazism. May I extend my nest to include Fascism and communism. They all drink from the same source as Nazism. This relationship between Darwinism and communism goes right back to their founders, Max and Engels. They read Darwin origin of Species as soon as it came out and they outrightly adopted it because of its dialectical materialist attitude, which they had believed. The correspondence between Max and Engel showed that they saw Darwin's theory as containing the basis in natural history for communism. Engels, in his book " The Dialectics of Nature", was full of praise for Darwin. Nazism, Fascism and Communism are of Darwinism.

Again, I'm not stretching anything to render atheism a propaganda. For your information, Atheism has ever been a propaganda for it was hurled unto the innocent world by small minds who sees a renew energy in Evolution-the greatest lie the world has ever known.

wiegraf: @hye
Could you please enlighten us as to how the universe was created?

Albert Einstein theory of general relativity has made a fine conclusion to the creation facts. Einstein had a great sympathy for materialist/atheism/Darwinism. In his theory of relativity, Einstein scientifically discovered that universe could not be static. The scientific fact that rupture the believe of these "isms". But they convince Einstein that matter was absolute, this made him to add "Cosmological Constant" to his equation in order to make it compatible to Atheist view. Years later, Einstein was to admit that this "Cosmological Constant" was the biggest mistake of his career. This believe strengthen atheism as propaganda and problem of scientific and enlightened world-A cancer. They have ever lived with this propaganda since Greek Era. Atheism will soon be leveled in history and God supreme promise for his creator will soon be manifested. No matter how the unbelievers hate it.

Folks, what really amazes me about atheism is its inability to know that Evolution is Darwin's imagination. Darwin was an amateur English naturalist. He had never undergone formal education in Biology or Zoology. He took only an amateur interest in the subject of nature and living things which spurred him to voluntarily join an expedition on board a ship named H.M.S Beagle that set out from england in 1832. After which he became an authority to challenge the proofed theories of great scientists as Newton, Faraday et al. What an irony, we should understand how sincere the atheism is in its religion propagation.

Hye-Bits:


Fruitcake brother, the reason you are devoid of this is your ill-knowledge of the cosmic. The reason is because you believe that matter and time is absolute, this has been refuted by science of 20th century till present. Thanks to science. Then to Adam and eve, you may never understand my explanation, if you don't understand the nature of matter-your god-in the first place. Again, do you understand that, coming from your understanding that matter bequeath us over 300 billion galaxies, each galaxy having different shapes,colour and over 300 billion stars, one of which is our sun, the center of our solar system. If you believe this from your materialist views. Then which is difficult to believe, 7 billion human beings(black, white ,myriads of tribes and race) from two people or over 300 billion galaxies, each having over 300 billion stars with different colours and shapes formed from a single atom according to science. Think about this and we further engage. Good day brother.

Human beings descended from at least 10,000 people. That is ascertained from the variations in human beings. It is impossible for 2 people to populate the earth. Incest of their offspring causing a lot of disorders.

Your ignorance has been addrssed. Thank me later.

Evil Brain:

We don't believe in god(s) because there is no evidence to support his/her/their existence. In your first post, you claimed that there was such evidence and that it was everywhere. We're still waiting for you to point some of it out so we can examine it and either debunk it or turn from our wicked ways and become devout christians/muslims/Orunmila-worshippers.

Your move.

There are overwhelmed evidence that God is the creator and we are his creation. Kindly give the OP a help he needs and start from there. Start the ball rolling and you will be overwhelmed how ignorant you are about yourself. Please Atheists come to the task, kindly let's change each other believe with heart rendering evidences of "Theism and Atheism". I'm of the fellowship of God(Theism). You can do it, get the go.

Hye-Bits:
Folks, what really amazes me about atheism is its inability to know that Evolution is Darwin's imagination. Darwin was an amateur English naturalist. He had never undergone formal education in Biology or Zoology. He took only an amateur interest in the subject of nature and living things which spurred him to voluntarily join an expedition on board a ship named H.M.S Beagle that set out from england in 1832. After which he became an authority to challenge the proofed theories of great scientists as Newton, Faraday et al. What an irony, we should understand how sincere the atheism is in its religion propagation.

List of epic mistakes;

-Evolution is not central to atheism. Evolution is biology. The problem is that religious nutjobs like you are linking evolution to atheism is because it clearly debunks the notion that humans were created. Atheists simple state that there is no evidence for god. Bring evidence and we will believe

-Darwin was wrong and aspects of evolution were improved. Humans are fallible. Unfortunately religious nutjobs are not willing to see mistakes in their holy books. Example how their gods loved incest (Adam and Eve's children had to commit incest to get grandchildren).

Hye-Bits:


Not only Nazism. May I extend my nest to include Fascism and communism. They all drink from the same source as Nazism. This relationship between Darwinism and communism goes right back to their founders, Max and Engels. They read Darwin origin of Species as soon as it came out and they outrightly adopted it because of its dialectical materialist attitude, which they had believed. The correspondence between Max and Engel showed that they saw Darwin's theory as containing the basis in natural history for communism. Engels, in his book " The Dialectics of Nature", was full of praise for Darwin. Nazism, Fascism and Communism are of Darwinism.

Again, I'm not stretching anything to render atheism a propaganda. For your information, Atheism has ever been a propaganda for it was hurled unto the innocent world by small minds who sees a renew energy in Evolution-the greatest lie the world has ever known.

Nazism = roots in christianity (esp. catholic Hitler)

Communism = state religion

Facism = what you would call the Pope and his infallibility and power in rome.


Look around you, who are the people rioting and killing in the name of their gods? Religious people (muslims)

Who were the biggest slave traders in humanity? (Christians and muslims)

Who were the first experts in torture? (catholics and sometimes protestants when torturing heretics)


You should look at your religoon before pointing any fingers at atheists

MacDaddy01:


Human beings descended from at least 10,000 people. That is ascertained from the variations in human beings. It is impossible for 2 people to populate the earth. Incest of their offspring causing a lot of disorders.

Your ignorance has been addrssed. Thank me later.

That is what you guys know how to do better, appearing and disappearing with weak-unscientific claims. So it's very possible for an atom(according to your believe) to cause universe with order. If an atom can bring such order and diversity in several trillions of planetary bodies. So it is more than possible for two(2)people with several trillions of atoms to make 7 billion. Be scientific and come with reason, don't be delusional. Reasonable people going through this tread will no doubt know who is reeling in imagination with outright ignorance like Darwin-A Joker. The kingdom of God is near, be wise. Choose life and race out of illusion. I have not scratched the surface yet, bring it on with erudition, I'm simply at home. Nice time brother.

MacDaddy01:


Nazism = roots in christianity (esp. catholic Hitler)

Communism = state religion

Facism = what you would call the Pope and his infallibility and power in rome.


Look around you, who are the people rioting and killing in the name of their gods? Religious people (muslims)

Who were the biggest slave traders in humanity? (Christians and muslims)

Who were the first experts in torture? (catholics and sometimes protestants when torturing heretics)


You should look at your religoon before pointing any fingers at atheists

The genesis of commotion we see in the world today is a fallout of materialism believe, con Atheism. Wet your knowledge with facts, the genesis of terrorism is materialism/atheism recently brought to light by Darwinism. They are the same people that told you that religion is the opium of the people. They want to take people out of the folds of God with their propaganda. Materialism/Atheism hijacked Christianity and infiltrate its people with religion to simply corrupt them and pollute the mind of the people, bringing them utter confusion. What will you say about some Pope like Rodrigo de Borja, whose reign was of the materialist. They did not represent the Preaching of Christ Jesus(PBUH). They rule in what was likened to the Greek Era believe. That you proclaim you are christian does not make you one, it is the believe we found in you that defines you. Many deception these day of people who claimed are of faith but their articles of faith is atheism/materialism. We can't be deceived, atheism has infiltrated the house of God. This cankerworm will only live for a time and then become history for God promise will soon be down on us.

Hye-Bits:


That is what you guys know how to do better, appearing and disappearing with weak-unscientific claims. So it's very possible for an atom(according to your believe) to cause universe with order. If an atom can bring such order and diversity in several trillions of planetary bodies. So it is more than possible for two(2)people with several trillions of atoms to make 7 billion. Be scientific and come with reason, don't be delusional. Reasonable people going through this tread will no doubt know who is reeling in imagination with outright ignorance like Darwin-A Joker. The kingdom of God is near, be wise. Choose life and race out of illusion. I have not scratched the surface yet, bring it on with erudition, I'm simply at home. Nice time brother.

lol....atoms and people are two different things. Humans have a 9 month gestation period with diffculties in childbirth. 2 people can not populate the earth

Hye-Bits:


The genesis of commotion we see in the world today is a fallout of materialism believe, con Atheism. Wet your knowledge with facts, the genesis of terrorism is materialism/atheism recently brought to light by Darwinism. They are the same people that told you that religion is the opium of the people. They want to take people out of the folds of God with their propaganda. Materialism/Atheism hijacked Christianity and infiltrate its people with religion to simply corrupt them and pollute the mind of the people, bringing them utter confusion. What will you say about some Pope like Rodrigo de Borja, whose reign was of the materialist. They did not represent the Preaching of Christ Jesus(PBUH). They rule in what was likened to the Greek Era believe. That you proclaim you are christian does not make you one, it is the believe we found in you that defines you. Many deception these day of people who claimed are of faith but their articles of faith is atheism/materialism. We can't be deceived, atheism has infiltrated the house of God. This cankerworm will only live for a time and then become history for God promise will soon be down on us.

You are a muslim and you have the nerve to point fingers at atheists about violence?


You trolling?

Hye-Bits:


Not only Nazism. May I extend my nest to include Fascism and communism. They all drink from the same source as Nazism. This relationship between Darwinism and communism goes right back to their founders, Max and Engels. They read Darwin origin of Species as soon as it came out and they outrightly adopted it because of its dialectical materialist attitude, which they had believed. The correspondence between Max and Engel showed that they saw Darwin's theory as containing the basis in natural history for communism. Engels, in his book " The Dialectics of Nature", was full of praise for Darwin. Nazism, Fascism and Communism are of Darwinism.

Again, I'm not stretching anything to render atheism a propaganda. For your information, Atheism has ever been a propaganda for it was hurled unto the innocent world by small minds who sees a renew energy in Evolution-the greatest lie the world has ever known.

BUT communism and Nazism are ideological enemies, how come they get to praise themselves??