Christmas Should be Replaced

Sincerely speaking, anyway i don't kn how some christians will feel about this, but I must tell you my sincerely view - scrap that xmas from the calendar and replace it with "Christians Day"


What Is The Meaning Of Christmas

Read your Bible Always! new xmas meaning.



Beware Of Whom You "Ask To Appear!"
There appeared another Wonder in Heaven;and Behold a GREAT RED DRAGON, haveing seven heads and ten Horns and Seven crowns upon his heads

And the GREAT DRAGON (called Devil) was CAST OUT into the World with his angels - Which DECEIVES the whole WORLD

Rev 12.

@May Kelly

how old are u,unh?

Capital NO.

@Another Fight In Heaven

No , They will be a great fight on Earth. It is called Armgendon. This is the fight between the Muslims and Israel. At the last day it shows how Rusia and other Abrabic countries invade Isaerl after the peac deal is broken and a graet war starts

I don't think so

Rapsody:

@May Kelly

how old are u,unh?

Really May Kelly how old are u,unh?

When you first came onboard you sounded objective, intelligent and matured. But these days i am

MC Usman:

Really May Kelly how old are u,unh?
When you first came onboard you sounded objective, intelligent and matured. But these days i am

@MC-Usman, I am you're , If some people in this forum cannot accept the fact that Christian and M.uslim are one - then we've to clear up this issue now before we all get there, and that is "Would there be another fight in Heaven when the Two meets each other. You should'nt be at this at all. Is just a question and you have seen some responses.

If some people in this forum cannot accept the fact that Christian and M.uslim are one -

Kitty, how sure are you that both party are one?

You should'nt be at this at all. Is just a question and you have seen some responses.

Dump question~~ Another Sick thread! don't expect positive response in here.

@ Mary K Chris tians and Mus lim are not one. We need to get this right, One is a religion the other one is faith. One preach hatred and violence the other one is of peace. One claims that Jes us is not the Son of G od the other don't agree asthat is the fundemental ethos of their faith,

In the Bible it talks of the end of days you will get this is the book of Daniel and Revelation about the anti Ch rist . In the Qu ran they end of times is the same as the Bible anti ch rist, Hence the Bibel was written 700yrs b4 the Qura n.

Flowers212:

@ Mary K Chris tians and Mus lim are not one. .

YES

Christain : there was no 'book' until 150 years after Jesus' death
Is'lam: The holy book was reavealed to Mohd before his death

Christain: strongly flavored by the Greco-Roman gods,
Is'lam: direct inspiration from God

Christain: God blew into the womb of Mary — Mary had Jesus, therefore God is Jesus' father and Jesus is His son and teh son also the H/Spirit.
Is'lam: There is only one God

Christain: The bible was first modified by a Hellenized Jew called Paul then later re- re- re- re -re , re edited by christain schlors
Is'lam: The holy Qu;ran has remained centuries unaltered

Christain: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities 1 TIMOTHY 5:23
Is'lam: Alcohol is the Devil's handiwork says the . . . Holy Qur-an 5:93

Christain: JESUS FIRST MIRACLE turn water into wine at the marriage feast at Cana JOHN 2:9
Is;lam: first Miracle was to defend his mother, as an infant, against the false accusations of his enemies. SURAH MARIAM 19:30-33

Christain: IMAGINE A "GOD" BEING TEMPTED by THE DEVIL (?) MARK 1:13
Is;lam: God is supreme and can not be subject to any temptasion

Christain: condone homosexuals ordaine dgay bishops
Is;lam; prohibits homesexuality as well as all forms of licentiousness whether they be visible or invisible.

Its seems that the catholics (just like m.u.s.li.ms) are trying to divert attention away from anything that would make people question why of satan their father.

Therefore for the benefit of anyone (both Christian and non christian) who just joined the discussion on this thread, the following links (mp3 audio file download links) would provide a few answers about church history and why the catholic church is a church of satan.

http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory01.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory02.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory03.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory04.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory05.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory06.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory07.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory08.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory09.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory10.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory11.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory12.mp3
http://www.archive.org/download/ChurchHistory/ChurchHistory13.mp3

Thank you

Ramada n, the ninth month of the Islam ic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in Ind ia and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ib n al-Na dim and the Shahra stani tell us about  al-Jandriki nieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[i][1].

The Sa bians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Man daeans and the Harrani ans. The Manda eans lived in Ir aq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories:  “first life,”  “second life,” “third life” and “fourth life.”  Old gods belong to the “first life” category. They summoned de ities who, in turn, created “second life” deities, and so forth.

The other group, considered as Sab ians, were the Harr anians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deit ies. The Sa bians were in contact with Ah naf, an Ara bian group which Mo ham med joined before claiming to be a pro phet. Ah na f sought knowledge by going to Northern Ira q, where there were many communities of Man da eans. They also went to the city of Harr an in the al-Jazir ah district in northern Syr ia on the border between Syr ia, Ira q and Asi a Mi nor.

In Mecc a, the Ah naf were called Sab ians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Moham med claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabi an rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Ma ndae ans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, M oha mmed called the Sab ians “people of the book” like the Jew s and Christi ans.

Rama dan was a pa gan ceremony practiced by the Sabia ns, whether they were Harr nians or Sabia ns. From the writings of Abu Za nad, an Ar bic writer from Ira q who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Man daean community located in northern Ira q observed Rama dan[ii][2].

Ramad an was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Ha rran. Similarities Between the Rama dan of Harr an and the Islami c Ra madan.

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pr e-Islam ic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between S yria and Ira q, very close to A sia M inor which, today, is Tur ey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March and usually finished the eighth of April. Arab ic historians, such as Ib n  Haz m, identify this fast with Ram adan




Learn your history



Concernign Je sus as the son of God, God never blew air into Marys womb where did you get that from Je us and God are one Ch rist said 'I AND MY fATHER ARE oNE. mY fATHER IS IN mE AND i IN MY fATHER'

Moreoever. It is the FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY S PIRT ARE ONE.  Pls don't miss quote the Bible In the book of John it states

"In the begining was the WORD (Jes us) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."  "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The Mu slims take the authenticity of Muha mmad in the Bible form the Qu r'an.

Su ra 7:157 Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Taur at and the I njil,

They are desperate to prove Muha mmad exists in the Bible yet they say the Bible is corrupt, why search for him in something that is corrupt according to them, what kind of logic is this?



Musli ms should stop playing games of ignorance and come to a REALITY check in their lives. How about that the Qu r'an is corrupt and the Bible is not!!!
1st Commandment: HAVE NO OTHER GODS


Exod us 20: 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Muhamm ad worshipped All ah a false God from one of the 360 dei ties of the Ka' ba


DO NOT MAKE IDOLS
Muhamm ad invented All ah a Go d of his imagination and said that he is in heaven above when clearly All ah cannot reveal himself since he does not exist. Muhamma d also had the Musl ims bow towards Mecc a (a sign of worship) and kiss a stone called H ujr Asw at in the middle of the Ka'ba .

KEEP THE SABBATH DAY
Muhamm ad changed the Sabbat h by calling Friday holy and failed to keep the Sabb ath because the Je ws refused to accept him so he changed his day from the Jewi sh Sabb ath.

DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
Muhamm ad married his adopted son's wife Zain ab because he lusted after her, Za id bin Tha bit divorced his wife to allow Muha mmad to marry her. Muham mad slept with his slaves who were married claiming he had a religi ous right by justifying his behaviour by the Qur' an. He also forced himself on women his followers captured

DO NOT STEAL
Muha mmad robbed and pillag ed, he stole from the Qur aish tribe by conducting 29 of the 69 raids against the passing Q uraish caravans in the desert stealing their money.

DO NOT COVET
Muha mmad coveted his adopted son's wife and he coveted his Jewi sh neighbours properties and money going out to steal their wealth and driving them out of Ara bia to the point of beheading and killing them

Ramada n, the ninth month of the The Great Religion ic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in Ind ia and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ib n al-Na dim and the Shahra stani tell us about  al-Jandriki nieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[i][1].

The Sa bians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Man daeans and the Harrani ans. The Manda eans lived in Ir aq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories:  “first life,”  “second life,” “third life” and “fourth life.”  Old gods belong to the “first life” category. They summoned de ities who, in turn, created “second life” deities, and so forth.

The other group, considered as Sab ians, were the Harr anians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deit ies. The Sa bians were in contact with Ah naf, an Ara bian group which Mo ham med joined before claiming to be a pro phet. Ah na f sought knowledge by going to Northern Ira q, where there were many communities of Man da eans. They also went to the city of Harr an in the al-Jazir ah district in northern Syr ia on the border between Syr ia, Ira q and Asi a Mi nor.

In Mecc a, the Ah naf were called Sab ians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Moham med claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabi an rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Ma ndae ans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, M oha mmed called the Sab ians “people of the book” like the Jew s and Christi ans.

Rama dan was a pa gan ceremony practiced by the Sabia ns, whether they were Harr nians or Sabia ns. From the writings of Abu Za nad, an Ar bic writer from Ira q who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Man daean community located in northern Ira q observed Rama dan[ii][2].

Ramad an was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Ha rran. Similarities Between the Rama dan of Harr an and the Islami c Ra madan.

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pr e-The Great Religion ic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between S yria and Ira q, very close to A sia M inor which, today, is Tur ey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March and usually finished the eighth of April. Arab ic historians, such as Ib n  Haz m, identify this fast with Ram adan

Good info, please can you (flowers212) please reveal the weblink where you got the information quoted above , i want to crosscheck myself.

THERE ARE SO MANY.

The Qu ran is a starting point too many contridiction in that stipid book.
A really good site is www.inthenameofallah.or

There are many, Mind you some of what i wrote is from my own reserach, a few is copy and paste. I almost converted to I slam which does not mean peace 2 yrs ago. After studying the religion for 3 yrs i realised that its really the deveils reglion

THERE ARE SO MANY.

The Qu ran is a starting point too many contridiction in that stipid book.
A really good site is www.inthenameofallah.or

There are many,  Mind you some of what i wrote is from my own reserach, a few is copy and paste. I almost converted to I slam which does not mean peace 2 years ago. After studying the religion for 3 years i realised that its really the deveils reglion

Also on you tube type idiot guild to Is lam there is 100 series and the guy is still putting up more stuff. iits a couple of hours but it is worth listerning to

DO NOT MAKE IDOLS
Muhammmad invented Allah a Go d of his imagination and said that he is in heaven above when clearly All ah cannot reveal himself since he does not exist.  Muhammma d also had the Musl ims bow towards Mecc a (a sign of worship) and kiss a stone called H ujr  Asw at in the middle of the Ka'ba .

Obvious idol worship of the god of the kabba and the "Hujr Aswat" stone

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KEEP THE SABBATH DAY
Muhamm ad changed the Sabbat h by calling Friday holy and failed to keep the Sabb ath because the Je ws refused to accept him so he changed his day from the Jewi sh Sabb ath.

Obvious plagiarizism of the bible or jewish believes


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DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
Muhamm ad married his adopted son's wife Zain ab because he lusted after her, Za id bin Tha bit divorced his wife to allow Muha mmad to marry her.  Muham mad slept with his slaves who were married claiming he had a religi ous right by justifying his behaviour by the Qur' an.  He also forced himself on women his followers captured

sexual immorality of sodom and gommorah proportions

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DO NOT STEAL
Muha mmad robbed and pillag ed, he stole from the Qur aish tribe by conducting 29 of the 69 raids against the passing Q uraish caravans in the desert stealing their money.

[quote]

Obvious stealing , armed robber etc


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DO NOT COVET
Muha mmad coveted his adopted son's wife and he coveted his Jewi sh neighbours properties and money going out to steal their wealth and driving them out of Ara bia to the point of beheading and killing them

Obvious covetiosness and "technical" incest

Flowers212:

THERE ARE SO MANY.

The Qu ran is a starting point too many contridiction in that stipid book.
A really good site is www.inthenameofallah.or

There are many, Mind you some of what i wrote is from my own reserach, a few is copy and paste. I almost converted to I slam which does not mean peace 2 years ago. After studying the religion for 3 years i realised that its really the deveils reglion

Thank God you saw the truth before you became one of them, you might have had to lose your life if you had converted to is.la.m , only to now reconvert away from i.s.la.m later

Thank God that He saved you from the snare of satan

You are a true Mu slim lets say that okay i agree, however pls tell me where in the B ible and in the Tora h does it shows J esus commiting adultry, stealling, getting married to a six yr old. Worshipping a stone. Even if we look back at the old testment none of the proh then did half of that Drunken man calle Moha med did? pls where.

You guys always refer that Jes us turned water to wine Big deal.  At the end of the day is it in your heaven that you will have endless wines and virgins to sleep with yes it is truly a religion one of no ground or substance,

So funny how the Qu ran tried to copy and paste things from the Bible and the Torah but then say that such books are false

Uhmm read CAREFULLY i am not an Mus lim i do not go to Me cca and caste stone on the wall. I know the truth and that truth is not in Is lam

@ SysUser & Flowers212

There is no need to post stuff and junk simultanously at the same time. Can you back your claims from the holy book? Then i can start addresing your questions. in Meantime you can believe what ever you read on the web, i care less.

For your information 3 percent of what i wrote is from the web and thats to get the spelling of these Abrabic names i studied the qu ran for your information even went a s far to study Arabic. Which i bet you do not understand, And what does it say in the qu ran of those who can not speak or read Abric, Its so funny that out of the 1.9 billion Mus lims out there only 3 per cent understand Arabic

Address yourself, don't back out after all you guys are quick to point the finger like the others i have asked and i will ask you since you are a Mus lim

pls tell me where in the Bible does it say that Jesu s said that Mo hammed will be the next prophet?

in Meantime you can believe what ever you read on the web, i care less.

MC Usman don't tell you that was ready to threaten Seun are now "turning" you tail and running , once you don't have a means of "silencing" the truth from being heard.

Maybe you should "fatwa" me too,

By the way, Flowers212 , said he has studied your so called q'u.r.a.n and arabic, SO PLEASE WHAT OTHER EXCUSE DO YOU NOW WANT TO GIVE , WHENEVER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE LIES OF MOHAMMMMED AND ALLLAH ARE REVEALED FOR THE WORLD TO SEE,

Sorry i am confused i am not a mus lim or are you referring to the bible?

you said 19billion mus.lim and only 3 percent how to read the Qur'an right. if you multiply that 57 million who can read the Qur'an and the rest are not. well, if that is you assumption I tell you, who many the population of SAudi? U.A.E. ? Egypt? I think you disregard other countries one of this country can conver up your assumption therefore it a false and liar ideology you presented this thread.

Ha for your information it is your fellow mus lim brothers that did the stats an i am very sure that you can not understand or read either

@Flower212

Ramada n, the ninth month of the The Great Religion ic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in Ind ia and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon’s crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ib n al-Na dim and the Shahra stani tell us about  al-Jandriki nieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[i][1].

I am very sure that your site in which you have been copying from will soon run out lies.
You claimed to have been a muslim but got converted , (cannot recollect), so you can see that you have limited knowledge of the bible and you must have been a lazy muslim that never has the Quran, read and practice what is in it.

You claimed tha Ramadhan started with the Pagan and you claimed to have been a muslim . If  it started with the pagan, it means that Jesus, Moses and other prophets copied same from pagan (God forbid). Moses and Jesus fasted the same fast prophet observed and please do they fast white fasting, half a day, twenty fours, 12 to 12 etc like some christians have been doing during lent and which one do we have in the Bible as being practised by early prophets.

You even nailed yourself when you said that Pagan starts fasting when the moon disappared and end it when it appears which happened to be the very oppostie of that of muslim.

Muslim observe fasting immediately the new moon is cited which is the cresecent and it ends by sighting the crecent again. Muslims do not start when moon diappear like you ignorantly put it up. I am sure you will understand the difference between Gregorian and Lunar calendar.


2 v 183: O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,

2 v 184: (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (with hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will, it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew."

2 v 185: Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qurán, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful."  

The Sa bians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Man daeans and the Harrani ans. The Manda eans lived in Ir aq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or “light personalities.” Their gods were classified under four categories:  “first life,”  “second life,” “third life” and “fourth life.”  Old gods belong to the “first life” category. They summoned de ities who, in turn, created “second life” deities, and so forth.

Meaning what and hope you are not referring to Trinity that has no  foundation?

The other group, considered as Sab ians, were the Harr anians. They worshipped Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and other deit ies. The Sa bians were in contact with Ah naf, an Ara bian group which Mo ham med joined before claiming to be a pro phet. Ah na f sought knowledge by going to Northern Ira q, where there were many communities of Man da eans. They also went to the city of Harr an in the al-Jazir ah district in northern Syr ia on the border between Syr ia, Ira q and Asi a Mi nor.

You have limited knowledge. Goggle out the history of Muhammad (saw) and read to underatand and acquire knowledge and not ferreting from deluded writers.

In Mecc a, the Ah naf were called Sab ians because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Moham med claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabi an rites which included praying five times a day;

Can I have where he was called a Sabian? Please can you serve me the doctrines embraced by the Serbians and where will know if your trinity has any basis.

performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Ma ndae ans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing, before each prayer. In the Qur'an, M oha mmed called the Sab ians “people of the book” like the Jew s and Christi ans.

You this boy , you need additional knowledge and not posting lies that you cannot defend.

Rama dan was a pa gan ceremony practiced by the Sabia ns, whether they were Harr nians or Sabia ns. From the writings of Abu Za nad, an Ar bic writer from Ira q who lived around 747 A.D., we conclude that at least one Man daean community located in northern Ira q observed Rama dan[ii][2].

Hope you know that the Serbians will still gan paradise than you? They believe in one God and not three. Read about Ramadhan up and search for in search engines too to learn more

Ramad an was Originally an Annual Ritual Performed at the City of Ha rran. Similarities Between the Rama dan of Harr an and the Islami c Ra madan.

Proof please?

Although the fasting of Ramadan was practiced in pr e-The Great Religion ic times by the pagans of Jahiliyah, it was introduced to Arabia by the Harranians. Harran was a city on the border between S yria and Ira q, very close to A sia M inor which, today, is Tur ey. Their main deity was the moon, and in the worship of the moon, they conducted a major fast which lasted thirty days. It began the eighth of March and usually finished the eighth of April. Arab ic historians, such as Ib n  Haz m, identify this fast with Ram adan

What of Moses, Jesus and other prophets that fasted? How do we categorise christian fast?

Learn your history

Ok

Concernign Je sus as the son of God, God never blew air into Marys womb where did you get that from Je us and God are one Ch rist said 'I AND MY fATHER ARE oNE. mY fATHER IS IN mE AND i IN MY fATHER'

If Jesus is God because of the above statement, what do you say to the verse below and how many GOD will we be having?

John 17 v 22:  "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE".


This statement does not suggest either a triune deity. What John's Jesus meant by the word 'one' becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles: "That they may be one just as we are one  (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God. If you consider Jesus to be God because of that statement, then it means that the apostles too are Gods

Moreoever. It is the FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY S PIRT ARE ONE.  Please don't miss quote the Bible In the book of John it states

"In the begining was the WORD (Jes us) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."  "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

If Jesus is God, kindly read these verses and get enlightened on the clear statement of Jesus, distinguishing himself from God:

In John 14 v 28:  The Father is greater than I.

In John 10 v 29:  My Father is greater than ALL."

In John 5 v 30: I can of mine own self do NOTHING, I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.

John 13 v 16; the one who is sent is not greater than the one who sent.


You may go to this link and attend to the questions therein on Jon 1 v 1

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113535.32.html

look whos back after having numerous hours researching well let me read and i'll get back to you

Sorry i am confused i am not a mus lim or are you referring to the bible?

Flowers212, i already know that you are not a
mu.s.lim, from your post where you said you "almost became" a m.u.s.lim, if not for the fact that you got to know about the lies!

As such my posts against i.s.la.m are not directed towards you but towards MC Usman and others like him/her in i.s.l.am

Flowers212:

You are a true Mu slim lets say that okay i agree, however please tell me where in the B ible and in the Tora h does it shows J esus commiting adultry, stealling, getting married to a six yr old. Worshipping a stone. Even if we look back at the old testment none of the proh then did half of that Drunken man calle Moha med did? please where.

Maybe you did not read the bible before thought re- re and convertion to christaininty.

INCESTIN THE BIBLE: " IN GOD'S BOOK (?) BETWEEN A FATHER AND HIS DAUGHTERS: (a) "That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him , "The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let's get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him , "In this way both of Lot's daughters became PREGNANT by their father. " GENESIS 19:33-35 (From the "Good News Bible- In Today's English".

In the older Versions, like the King James and the Roman Catholic Versions, "SEXUAL INTERCOURSE" is vaguely described as "COLLECTING THE SEED OF OUR FATHER." INCEST BETWEEN MOTHER AND SON: (b) "While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land, Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUAL INTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father's concubine. GENESIS 35:22. The older Versions of the Bible, use the word, "lay" for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. INCEST BETWEEN FATHER-IN-LAW AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW: (c) "When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. "He went over to her at the side of the road and said, "ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?" (He did not know that she was his daughter-in-law) {The words in parenthesis i.e. within brackets from He did not know to daughter-in-law are not in the original Hebrew manuscripts. They are the editors g loss.}

"She said, what will you give me?" (To have sex with me) 'He answered, I WILL SEND YOU A YOUNG GOAT FROM MY FLOCK "She said, "All right, if you will give me something to keep as a pledge until you send the ,goat. ' . . He gave them (the pledges) to her. Then had INTERCOURSE, and she became pregnant GENESIS 38: 15-18 (Quoted from the ''Good News Bible". CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ''KETURAH" (the third wife of Abraham).

Out of this incestuous relationship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ see Matthew 1:3; "And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar . . . INCEST AND RAPE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER (d) " . . he took hold of her (Thamar, his sister, not to be confused with Tamar in "c" above,, and said unto her, Come lie with me (have sex with me), my sister. "And she answered him, Nay, my brother (Amnon, one of the sons of David, the man after God's own heart) do not force me . . . "But he would not listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he overpowered her and RAPED her (his sister). " 2 Samuel 13:5-14 WHOLESALE RAPE AND INCEST BETWEEN SON AND HIS MOTHERS! (e) So they set up a tent for Absalom (another son of King David) on the palace roof, and in the sight of everyone, Absalom went in and had INTERCOURSE with his father's concubines " 2 SAMUELS 16:22

". . . In the sight of every one" is rendered in the King James Version as "in the sight of all Israel." This is a fulfillment of God's promise to David the King:
"Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee (David) out of thine own house, and I will take THY WIVES before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor (actually thy son) and he shall lie (have sexual intercourse) with thy wives in the sight of sun (for the whole world to watch the fun).
For thou didst it secretly (with Bath-Sheba the wife of Uriah): but I will do this thing before ALL Israel, and before the sun." 2 Samuel 12:11-12
You can well guess where "Penthouse" and "Playboy" got their inspiration from. Wherefrom if not from the Book of Books?
For other various types of incest see LEVITICUS 18:8-18. 20:11-14 and 17-21.

Concubine is a normal occurance word wife in the Bible.

Flowers212:

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now you're turning to my brother mus.lim ? that I can't understand of what are you saying. you said 19billion x 3% =57million who can read the Qur'an. then I mention one country or two countries only can read the Qur'an and the rest are all not. YOU ARE A LIAR YOURE PRESENTATION IS NOTHING ON THIS THREAD.