Dear witness, I think I have never sent any post to you, but it is my pleasure having you in this forum. I like your name "witness" and I want to just tell you that the second line of your post above "isn't too good; i mean it would be annoying, I hope you get my point. You can show proofs of JESUS LIFE AND INFINITE, IMMEASURABLE, UNBOUNDED, POWER in a good way "because your talking about the KING HIMSELF" remember THE KING doesn't like words like "liar, fool, ect.

Please Witness base on the Love you have for HIM (JESUS) please stop using the word "lliar" i guess is offensive hence "YOUR BAN, BAN, BAN again & again & again all the time.

Sysuser, SysuserX, Not. Seun, & Witness, you can prove to them kindly, gently, in a cool way.

Please lets stop "using liar, etc in our post and communication.

I do hope you understand me.

Please i am merely saying it the way it is , I am not here to soothe anyone's ego!

Its simply its either the bible is completely true or its not ,

Hence if the bible is completely true which its is , it means other ways (mohammmed, mary worship, catholism, buddism, hinduism) are all lies and thus their projenitors are liars. SIMPLE

The Bible tells us to Speak the Truth in Love, the bible did not say we should just speak love,

Moreover not telling someone the blunt truth is a sign of hatred and not a sign of love, telling mu.s.li.ms the blunt truth about Mohammmed / I'sl.am is a sign of love for the salvation of their soul.

If you want to see them go to hell , well that's your cup of tea, sign of love

However i would try my best to make them see reason why , Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY

Witness:

Please i am merely saying it the way it is , I am not here to soothe anyone's ego!
Its simply its either the bible is completely true or its not ,
Hence if the bible is completely true which its is , it means other ways (mohammmed, mary worship, catholism, buddism, hinduism) are all lies and thus their projenitors are liars. SIMPLE
The Bible tells us to Speak the Truth in Love, the bible did not say we should just speak love,
Moreover not telling someone the blunt truth is a sign of hatred and not a sign of love, telling mu.s.li.ms the blunt truth about Mohammmed / I'sl.am is a sign of love for the salvation of their soul.
If you want to see them go to hell , well that's your cup of tea, sign of love
However i would try my best to make them see reason why , Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY

Now I know in my heart that you truely like and love the mus.lims and especially the Administrator of this forum "Mr. Seun" that even made you took to his name "Not. Seun". I also believe that you you truely want to help save their souls from hell, torment,  anguish, torture and sorrow; which lays on "TRUE (THE BIBLE) and FALSE ( ).

Anyway sha, what if you try help saving their souls in a cheerfull way communicating with them via this Forum. I must confess that you are doing your best but apply your very good best by avoiding that which provokes them most. I am talking about "stop using "liar" as a weapon for saving their souls.

Thank you.

Remain Blessed.
Yours sis. in Christ Jesus. (laugh abegi you will not kill me ooo )

[quote author=May kelly lbut apply your very good best by avoiding that which provokes them most. I am talking about "stop using "liar" as a weapon for saving their souls.

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It is sad because it reflects an attitude to Islam seen even until today kept alive in the history of the Crusades, and founded on a total ignorance.

It is for we Mus'lims, now to assert their faith and for Christians to at least be willing to be made aware of the meaning of Isla'm. I am sure that to many like sun god, 4him & co Isl'am and its teachings will be as a mountain stream in the desert, to their parched souls searching for truth.

@ Mary Kelly.


How you dey, kinda busy this days. Hope to get 100% active in a couple of days.

MC Usman:

@ Mary Kelly.
How you dey, kind of busy this days. Hope to get 100% active in a couple of days.

Hee! Mc-usman, long time no see and long time no hear. how are you now, anyway am cool. even more cooler now after the battle b/w the moderator and sysuser and banning, but am more relaxed now. Ask me why

Anyway sha, i did not hate i.slam or mus.lim person, but I did not agree and will never agree with the fact that "JESUS DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS, AND THAT HE IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND NEITHER HE IS A SLAVE. I think that is just our differences.

But we don't have to argue about this. Let us leave our differences, no matter how we strive and argue "WE ARE ONE IN GOD BUT DIFFERENT IN CHRIST JESUS. "Do you believe

@May Kelly


Let me leave for now and attend to Witness (Sysuser) that appears stubborn, and post without backing it with facts.

Anyway sha, i did not hate i.slam or mus.lim person, but I did not agree and will never agree with the fact that "JESUS DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS, AND THAT HE IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND NEITHER HE IS A SLAVE. I think that is just our differences.

But will you still believe that he didnt die o the cross, not the saviour if given verses from your bible?

But we don't have to argue about this. Let us leave our differences, no matter how we strive and argue "WE ARE ONE IN GOD BUT DIFFERENT IN CHRIST JESUS. "Do you believe

One love baby

Over to Witness now

@Witness

Babs the following is the response to your previous post that i was responding to until , i was banned all of a sudden!

Ok. welcome back

First and foremost, Mohammmed is a liar who created his own version of Jesus that suits his needs and lies,

You are a dunce for making the above statement. Calling my prophet a liar and you stupidly couldnt provide anything to back your lie.

If you have not been brainwashed, you would have read that I  for one have been serving you verses from your bible that even went against Jesus you have been preaching.

Secondly in answer to your question:

Ok.

1. He was sent to die for the sins of mankind

Who sent him and did he send himself? I thought you have been saying that Jesus is God?

Where DID HE SAY THAT HE COME TO DIE FOR YOUR SINS?

Angel sent by God the Father Himself clearly states that Jesus Christ was going to save his people (all of mankind) from their sins,

Can I have the verses please? Are Jesus people ( Israelite) the same as the world? Dont we have Gentiles too?

Mat 1:19  Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

One thing I have learnt about christians is that they never read to understand. The above verses made clear statement that it was Holy GHOST that impregnated Mary and not GOD? What sort of rubbish is this? Why not grab my book and read the about Jesus and how the angel delivered the good news to Mary. (The Great Book chapter 3)

Mat 1:21  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

If you have not been reading your bible in an upside position, you would have understand that, Jesus people are the Israelite which he was sent to? He made clear statements about his being sent to them. How come you are Jesus people when you are not a Jew and was he even a christian?

Mat 1:22  Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Na wa o. Sysuser, why do you like embarrassing yourself? Do we have it anywhere in the bible where Jesus was called Emmanuel?

2. He died for me on the cross and rose again on the third and was seen by more than 500 witness at one point in time

I need the verses on where more than 500 people witnessed his crucifixion please.
In what way was he like Jonah having given the sign of Jonah as his only sign?

1Co 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

He made you know that he didnt witness it but received from those that claimed to be eye witness.

1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

According to which scriptures? Are you referring to the contradicting account of those that claimed to be eye witnesses that wrote the four gospels?

1Co 15:5  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

Which twelve please?

1Co 15:6  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

I thought you claimed in your post above that about 500 witnessed his crucifixion, did the above verse talk about crucifixion?

1Co 15:7  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Explanation please

3. Yes he is God the Son

Who did he pray to?
who he did he shout to that, 'my God, why has thou forsaken me?
why did he say that God is greater than him?


In "The Dictionary of the Bible," John L. McKenzie, S.J., p. 899  bearing the Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur, and Imprimi Potest (official Church seals of approval), we read:

"THE TRINITY OF GOD IS DEFINED BY THE CHURCH AS THE BELIEF THAT IN GOD ARE THREE PERSONS WHO SUBSIST IN ONE NATURE. THAT BELIEF AS SO DEFINED WAS REACHED ONLY IN THE 4th AND 5th CENTURIES AD AND HENCE IS NOT EXPLICITLY AND FORMALLY A BIBLICAL BELIEF.


This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) Trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Jesus. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.


The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity. 

Jesus Christ himself says He is the Son of God

Joh 9:35  Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Joh 9:36  He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
Joh 9:37  And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

Read more about son of God and see that it was started by pagan and accepted into christianity.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God)


Is there anywhere in the bible Jesus called himself GOD?

Even the ArchAngel Gabriel himself carried a message from God confirming the fact that Jesus Christ was the Son of God

Luk 1:26  And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27  To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Luk 1:28  And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luk 1:29  And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Luk 1:30  And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31  And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32  He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33  And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34  Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Even Lucifer himself (Satan, Devil or whatever name) recognises the fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Mat 4:3  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Are you not ashamed of yourself to have given me the gospel of Luke that claimed to have received from people and sent to THEOPHILUS?

READ THROUGH THE TWO VERSIONS and see  difference between them?

King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.


New King James Version

Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

Which one is correct, the son or servant?

The word used therein is 'pais'.
The New King James translators chose servant while KJV chose son.

The New World Translation, created by the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus, translated this word 'servant' also. So do the NIV, ASV, NASB and other modern Bible translations.

So which do we accept?

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Go to this link and read the rebuttal.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-68474.32.html

Even Jesus Christ himself makes it clear that He was God and that He is existing even before Abraham was created
Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

If he was God, why can't he state it in the gospels. Show me where he said that he was God and please why didnt he say before Adam or Noah, he was?

Even God the Father Himself publicly revealed during the baptism of Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was his beloved Son
Mar 1:11  And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

What is the proof that it was God that spoke?. I said I would unveil that as we get along with our discussion with Olaadegbu. Didnt Jesus claim that you have not heard his voice nor seen his shape at anytime?

2Pe 1:17  For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Third party that couldnt be held responsible as the original author and witness of the incident. Was Peter there?

Even a Roman centurion recognised the fact that Jesus Christ was the Son of God
Mat 27:54  Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Please in what way was he the son of God? Is it as a result of begging God not to die or crying to God to have forsaken him?

Even demons recognise the fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Mar 3:7  But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
Mar 3:8  And from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and from beyond Jordan; and they about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, when they had heard what great things he did, came unto him.
Mar 3:9  And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.
Mar 3:10  For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.
Mar 3:11  And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Luk 4:41  And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 8:27  And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

Luk 8:28  When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

John the Baptist bore record that Jesus Christ was the son of God (God the Son)

Joh 1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:30  This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh 1:31  And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Joh 1:32  And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Joh 1:33  And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:34  And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Even Moses, Elijah, Peter, John and James bore withness to the fact that God the Father said that Jesus Christ was his only beloved Son

Mat 17:1  And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2  And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3  And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4  Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5  While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mat 17:6  And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7  And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Brother I am very sorry for you to have wasted so much of your time over nothing. You listed account of those that couldnt be held responsible and not a single place where JESUS SAID THAT I AM GOD. THERE IS A THREAD GOING ON ON TRINITY, YOU MAY GO THERE AND CONTRIBUTE.

So you see in case you are too blind to see or acknowledge, Jesus Christ of the bible is not the same Jesus that Mohammmed talks about in the q'uran, Jesus Christ of the bible has nothing in common with Mohammmed/Alllah, Jesus Christ of the bible has nothing to do with Mohammmed,

You are the real dunce to have been preaching a Jesus different from that in your bible.

Read below please:

Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,,  hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, "

Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life,

Mohammmed is simply pure darkness and evil,

Darkness has no fellowship with light

2Co 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Dont post without fact mumu. Give me verses and I wil give you rebuttal from your bible as well.

hmm, babs787, babs787, when will you stop all this your illogical , childish and desperate measures to cover up the inadequacies of i.s.l.a.m, alllah, mohammmed and co. Please can you kindly show me (via your mastery of hebrew, yoruba, arabic, english and God knows whatelse, how you can to arrive at the conclusion that Son of God in english means servant of God in Hebrew

Read this article
http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/saviororservant.asp.

and

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/a great one/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.3.15.html:

and

http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/bible_son.htm


Some verses showing that God is greater than Jesus:


I do nothing of myself  (From the NIV Bible, John 8:28)"

"My Father (GOD) is greater than I (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)"

"Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 23:46)"

"And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.  (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)"

How does that proof that Mohammmed is not a liar, peadophile,murderer, adulterer,incester, dishonourable man, hallucinator, demon possessed man, sex maniac, etc

You are just trying to dodge and diver the attention to something else , Jesus Name in the language he spoke does not concern you , and neither does it concern Mohammmed who was not born during his time and who is not an Isrealite,

Abeg babs stop all these , awawi, , you are just looking for silly excuses to get out of jail!

Mumu, why not answer my question if you are up to the task:

Was Jesus' name 'yahushuwa or yeshua and did they mean same thing?

What is Jesus' name in the language he spoke?

Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Did The Great Prophet ever claim to have come from Jesus or your pastors in the like of chris, Bonnke that have been using his name to defraud you.

Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Have you ponder on your so called pators and relate the sayings to them?

Yes Jesus Christ himself said that he is our Saviour and the only way through which any man can be saved and that he is also the Son of God


Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Still no where HE SAID THAT YOU SHOULD ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR, MUMU.

I have already answered that , please go through the thread, and stop repeating questions and wasting everybody's time and energy

I have not seen where you answered that. Perhaps, you may resend them if you have done that.

first and foremost , i don't need you to dance, please stop refering to yourself in third person perspective, by the way since you are so particular about proofs then maybe you can supply proofs for the following (please don't just copy and paste a long meaningless story about how Alllah told you not to provide proof for Alllah):

1. How sperm comes from the Spinal cord
2. How Mohammmed split the moon
3. How the sun sets in the murky spring
4. Where the injil is located
5. Why mohammmed is not a peadophile by sleeping with a 9 year old girl
6. How you can marry more than one wife and still love them equally in all things

In all honesty, you prefer to dance around, ignoring issues/questions put across to you and  further expose your paganism.

I know that you learnt about The Great Religion but can and will still educate you and bring you out from your darkness to light if you are ready to.

With regards to the issue of my prophet, you can create separate thread for that and back your allegations with verses from my book, hadith and we go digigng into it.


You go here to learn more about TRINITY and contribute as well.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-68474.32.html

Walahi, u get am for time



_{Seun should put a word limit to posts}

He thought that I would not be able to respond to his garbage.

babs787:

@Witness

Its interesting that despite my attempts to provide a simple and thorough exegesis of your questions, you still come back ranting like one with no hope, claiming and pretending as if i have not even answered your questions . Despite that even a blind person can clearly see that i have already answered your questions in a clinical manner as much as possible.

Any way try and pay attention this time as i try to answer you again, despite you attempts at the method of question overloading

Who sent him and did he send himself? I thought you have been saying that Jesus is God?

Where DID HE SAY THAT HE COME TO DIE FOR YOUR SINS?

Can I have the verses please? Are Jesus people ( Israelite) the same as the world? Dont we have Gentiles too?

One thing I have learnt about christians is that they never read to understand. The above verses made clear statement that it was Holy GHOST that impregnated Mary and not GOD? What sort of rubbish is this? Why not grab my book and read the about Jesus and how the angel delivered the good news to Mary. (The Great Book chapter 3)

1. Jesus Christ's birth death and ressurection is a fuffillment of prophecy (check the verses i have already provided and stop pretending as if you didn't see them)


2. The Holy Spirit did not impreginate Mary, stop talking like a man with no understanding (actually you are, hence why you are being lectured). The bible clearly did not say that the Holy Spirit impreginated Mary, stop talking like your Mad Prophet!

Read those verses again and stop ranting,

3. Interesting to see that you are claiming the Holy Spirit impreginated Mary, yet you and Mohammmed tend to claim that there is no Holy Spirit (actually babs which one are you trying to claim, cus it seems you talking from both sides of the mouth here). one time you claim there is no holy spirit , another time you claim that the holy spirit impreginated Mary, which one exactly is it that you stand for cus it seems you are just equivocating.

4. The verses which you have decided to ignore (for obvious deceitful) reasons clearly shows (even to a blind man that Jesus Christ came to die for the sins of his people , i.e. mankind), that you fail to see those verses must really be a miracle of optical physics.

If you have not been reading your bible in an upside position, you would have understand that, Jesus people are the Israelite which he was sent to? He made clear statements about his being sent to them. How come you are Jesus people when you are not a Jew and was he even a christian?

Na wa o. Sysuser, why do you like embarrassing yourself? Do we have it anywhere in the bible where Jesus was called Emmanuel?

I need the verses on where more than 500 people witnessed his crucifixion please.
In what way was he like Jonah having given the sign of Jonah as his only sign?

1. Now you behaving like a baby, through your childish and obstinate utterances,

2. Anyway the bible verses you are requested are these (although i believe that i have already provided them). Notice that even the Angel (not even an ordinary man) himself was the one who said that Jesus Christ was going to be called Emmanuel

Old Testament Prophecy
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Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


New Testament Fufillment of Prophecy
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Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

I thought you claimed in your post above that about 500 witnessed his crucifixion, did the above verse talk about crucifixion?

Now you are bluntly liying, aba, must you people always do that for Mohammmed and Alllah. do you now want to still claim that you cannot see the bible verses that i provided for you , ahaaaa, hey, na wa o for you people.How can you be lying (in a cold blooded manner that i told you that 500 people saw his crucifixion when i certainly did not)

I did not tell you that 500 people witnessed the crucifixion , what i told you was that more than 500 people physically saw Jesus Christ after his ressurrection and before his ascension to heaven.

So babs787 kindly show me where i told you that 500 people witnessed the crucifixion. The fact is that I simply did not tell you that , as a matter of fact the number of people who witnessed the crucifixion maybe more than that or less than , the bottomline is that the bible did not specify as such i don't need to lie for the bible by just quoting a number that is not true (contrary to what you people keep doing for Mohammmed/Alllah in your efforst to cover up the contradictions and lies of Mohammmed and Alllah).

Any way what i clearly told and which is very clear from the post which you are supposed to be responding to is that I said:

at least 500 people(witnesses) saw Jesus Christ after He had resurrected and before he ascended to Heaven.

So since you have pretended not to have seen the bible verses which i used to support this claim, below are the same bible verses again:


1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Who did he pray to?
who he did he shout to that, 'my God, why has thou forsaken me?
why did he say that God is greater than him?

1. He prayed to God the Father

2. He shout "my God , why has thous forsaken me", as a fufillment of old testament, which says and I quote:


Psa 22:1 <To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.> My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

In "The Dictionary of the Bible," John L. McKenzie, S.J., p. 899  bearing the Nihil Obstat, Imprimatur, and Imprimi Potest (official Church seals of approval), we read:

"THE TRINITY OF GOD IS DEFINED BY THE CHURCH AS THE BELIEF THAT IN GOD ARE THREE PERSONS WHO SUBSIST IN ONE NATURE. THAT BELIEF AS SO DEFINED WAS REACHED ONLY IN THE 4th AND 5th CENTURIES AD AND HENCE IS NOT EXPLICITLY AND FORMALLY A BIBLICAL BELIEF.


This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) Trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Jesus. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.


The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity. 


Read more about son of God and see that it was started by pagan and accepted into christianity.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God)

I don't recognise all this nonsense that you are quoting as being reliable and infallible sources, simply because they fallible and partial, antagonistic sources

In fact its really unintelligent of you not to realise that you are using the fallible statements of ordinary men who clearly do not believe or understand the bible as your evidence, how pathetic,

First you leave something which is tried and tested and then decided to use something which is questionable to discredit that which is tried and tested, how low must you go, before you realise that you are deceiving yourself, by believing that men who are living now and who do not know God , would somehow be able to give a truth and correct answer. How sad that you are so lost!

Is there anywhere in the bible Jesus called himself GOD?

Please i have already answered this same question on this same thread , abeg don't waste my time and energy.


1. Yes Jesus Christ called Himself God
2. Yes there are bible verses
3. Yes I have already given you those bible verses

King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

New King James Version

Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.

Which one is correct, the son or servant?

The word used therein is 'pais'.
The New King James translators chose servant while KJV chose son.

The New World Translation, created by the Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the deity of Jesus, translated this word 'servant' also. So do the NIV, ASV, NASB and other modern Bible translations.

So which do we accept?

1. I accept the KJV (King James Version) as the only infallible english version of the bible (most , if not all of the other versions, i believe have been tampered with by the Catholic Church, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and others, so that fact that you are quoting them to support the lies of Mohammmed only goes to show that the Kingdom of the Devil is using its own evidences for its own purposes)

2. Hence that is why its is easy for a True christian to know that Jehova witnesses are not christians

3. Hence that is why its is easy for a True christian to know that Catholics are not Christians

4. Hence that is why its is easy for a True Christian does not recognise the Bible "interpretations" which you have just quoted

You are the real dunce to have been preaching a Jesus different from that in your bible.

Read below please:

Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,,  hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, "

Dont post without fact mumu. Give me verses and I wil give you rebuttal from your bible as well.

Mumu, why not answer my question if you are up to the task:

Was Jesus' name 'yahushuwa or yeshua and did they mean same thing?

What is Jesus' name in the language he spoke?

1. I am now asking you back that: Which language did Jesus Speak[i], since you are portaying yourself to be an expert which you are not,

2. Are you an expert in that language.

3. What does Jesus Christ name in language he spoke have to do with the fact that Mohammmed is still a liar , peadophile, adulterer, murdere, idolator, whotemonger, rapist, hallucinator, demoniac, mad man, false prophet.

4. My Salvation through Jesus Christ is not dependent on which language i am using to talk to God , simply because God hears and understand whatever language i decided to communicate in with Him,

Moreover , Jehova Witness , Mormons and Catholics created their version of Jesus Christ to suit their aims, talkless of the hopeless Mohammmed who had done the same, without any witness to his hallucinations (which he called revelations from Angel Gabriel). So you trying to put forward a false sense of understanding of who Jesus Christ is or is not is just merely a stupid and pitful way for you to defend the lies of Mohammmed/Alllah/I.S.L.A.M.

By the way how come Aisha (who sometimes has sex with Mohammmed during his revelations) did not see the so called Angel Gabriel during one of Mohammmed's mad man exhibition period of Alllah's revelation to him in the moment or period of sexual activity.

Still no where HE SAID THAT YOU SHOULD ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR, MUMU.

Then you must really be spiritually blind not to see the content of the post that you are replying to , where i have already answered the same question that you are repeating and asking me again, despite that the answer to your question is already staring you right in the face

Ok. welcome back

You are a dunce for making the above statement. Calling my prophet a liar and you stupidly couldnt provide anything to back your lie.

If you have not been brainwashed, you would have read that I  for one have been serving you verses from your bible that even went against Jesus you have been preaching.

Ok.

First and foremost , I am less suprised that you have decided to resort to personal abuse and insults, your mad false prophet Mohammmed did worse than that, so i am not really suprised.

Its still does not change the fact that Mohammmed is a liar, peadophile, murderer, armed robber, hallucinator, demoniac, false prophet, dishonourable man, idolator, who has been shown to have been bluntly lying concerning everthing he said about:


1. How the Sperm comes from the Spinal
2. How he committed Peadophilia with Aisha
3. How he said that Sun sets in the murky spring
4. How he said that the Moon was split in two

By the way the same verses of the bible that you are claiming to serve are the same verses that i am going to refute as you read on.

Again its funny that you have decided to use the same bible which you say is corrupted as evidence for your statements . Now we ask you how you know when and if its correct when you use it (you either dodge or you claim that the Injil or something else helped you to know, yet when we ask you for the source that you used to crosscheck each verse of the bible you claim that its lost) (the usual trick of Mohammmed and I.s.l.am is to use the bible when it suits them and dump it when it does not suit them)

Now here you are quoting RSV, which in itself is sponsored by people Catholics for their own evil agenda, so you see the fact that you decided to quote a discredited translation of the bible only goes to show how desperate and deceived you really her.

Why don't you quote the "Injil" (the uncorrupted version of Alllah's word that Mohammmed claims that he has but can't find)

It is a fundamental fact that christians consider the KJV as the most authentic translation devoid of bigotry, True Christians consider that RSV is just another trick of the devil to deceive people just like the Q'uran.

Below are the verses which you quoted to support Mohammmed's lies that he's own version of Jesus is true

[i]
Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."
Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,, hath glorified his servant Jesus."
Acts 4:27(RSV): "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, "


Yet below is the KJV showing the version which you quoted and which shows clearly that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Its funny that the KJV clearly states that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Personally and historically I have always maintained that the Catholism is the Synagogue of Satan which is in league with Mohammmed (whom they tried to use for the purposes earlier in history) hence they themselves are doing everything within their powers to undermine the Gospel of Jesus Christ by doing everthing possible to glorify Mary.

As such I am not suprised that you (M.u.s.l.i.m ) end up using the Catholic Bible to support your claims once you knew that the Christian Bible (the KJV) clearly shows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,


So you see:


1. I consider Catholics to be Pagans who are in league with I.s.l.a.m

2. I do not consider that Catholic Bible as a Bible at since they have added and removed as much as possible from it or to it so as to suit their own needs (which unfortunately means that they must try to reduce Jesus Christ Position in other for them to extol that of Mary and their other Traditions).

In fact by quoting the same catholic bible as your source, instead of your Q'uran you invariably show that you or Mohammmed or your demon God Alllah cannot stand on your own two feets without outside help.

By the way , stop wasting your time repeating that Christians are preaching a different Jesus Christ than the one in the bible, repeating a lie long enough does not make it true.

The bible clearly shows that

1. Jesus Christ of the bible has absolutely nothing to do with Mohammmed

2. Mohammmed is a false prophet

3. Alllah is a false god (moon god), who is even so stupid and powerless that it cannot perform a simple miracle like split the moon for his Mohammmed servant.

4. Jesus christ is the Son of God

5. Jesus Christ died and rose again on the third day

6. Salvation is only through Jesus Christ

7. Any body dies without knowing being saved by Jesus Christ is doomed.

Another examples of why mohammmed is a false prophet is that Mohammmed was easily poisoned through the kind of food that he liked
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First and foremost , lets consider the case of a True Prophet of God who someone tried to poison and then let us see what happened , whether the person succeeded or not.

God protected Elisha from the action of someone trying to poison him. Hence Elisha being a true prophet was able to know that someone was trying to poison him and others,



2Ki 4:38 And Elisha came again to Gilgal: and there was a dearth in the land; and the sons of the prophets were sitting before him: and he said unto his servant, Set on the great pot, and seethe pottage for the sons of the prophets.
2Ki 4:39 And one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine, and gathered thereof wild gourds his lap full, and came and shred them into the pot of pottage: for they knew them not.
2Ki 4:40 So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.
2Ki 4:41 But he said, Then bring meal. And he cast it into the pot; and he said, Pour out for the people, that they may eat. And there was no harm in the pot.



In contrast , Alllah could not even protect Mohammmed from the action of someone trying to poison him (just like Alllah could not perform a single miracle), hence Mohammmed being a false prophet did not even know even when he was being poisoned until his friend had already eaten. Mohammmed died 3 or 4 years later due to the slow effect of the poison . Its rather sad and pathetic that Mohammmed was killed by a mere woman despite all his false claims to prophethood. The funny part is that Mohammmed's friend somehow knew the food was poison yet even mohammmed the so called prophet knew absolutely nothing until his friend had already eaten the poisoned food. His friend who knew that the food was poisoned still went ahead to eat it because of mohammmed.

Below is an extract of how Mohammmed was poisoned:


… When the Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, conquered Khaybar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith, the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired: Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad? They said: The foreleg. Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat). Then she wanted a poison which could not fail… The Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr Ibn al-Barra took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, said: Hold back your hands! because this foreleg… informed me that it is poisoned. Thereupon Bishr said: By Him who has made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.

Bishr did not rise from his seat but his color changed to that of taylsan (a green cloth)… The Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, sent for Zaynab and said to her: What induced you to do what you have done? She replied: You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself: If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said: If you are a king we will get rid of you…

The Apostle of Alllah, may Alllah bless him, lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say: I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaybar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein, which is a vein in the back… (Ibn Sa'ad's Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, English translation by S. Moinul Haq, M.A., PH.D assisted by H.K. Ghazanfar M.A. (Kitab Bhavan Exporters & Importers, 1784 Kalan Mahal, Daryaganj, New Delhi - 110 002 India], Volume II, pp. 251-252; bold and italic emphasis ours)



Do you realise that it was easy to poison Mohammmed because he was not from God , hence God was not protecting Him against any attack (hence why he was always going to wars to fight for himself).

Do you now realise that Mohammmed certainly does not come from the same God that Elisha came from , simply because the God of Elisha was a powerful God who was capable of protecting his own people , even though Alllah could not even protect Mohammmed from being poisoned by a vengeful woman,

Below is a list of a few of why Mohammmed was a confused liar:
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Mohammmed teaches that Mary the mother of Jesus was the Sister of Aaron and Moses,

, What how come, How can a Moses and Aaron who lived 1500years before be related to Mary Mother of Jesus , for goodness sake, Aba, hhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaa, Na wa o, wonders shall never end!

Mohammmed also teaches that Noah's flood happened during the time of Moses,
, aaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaa, its rather sad there was no psychiatric hospitals then, men this Mohammmed guy sef is really off the craziness charts.! He is certainly too mad to be true.


Mohammmed also teaches in one place the Noah and his family survived the flood (which he already says happened during Moses time), in another place, the same Mohammmed says that[b] Noah's sons' died in the flood[/b],

, Haba another blatant confusion ,


These people must really have a multiple personality disorder problem cus how can a right thinking person hear and see a few of those little things above and still not realise that Mohammmed is a lying , murdering , raping, incesting , peadophilic, false prophet piece of garbage!

As a Christian the bible clearly tells me what I need to do to be saved in other to be able to make it to heaven, (Christian Heaven I mean),

However Alllah does not even tell M.u.s.l.i.m.s what to do before they are guaranteed i.s.l.a.m.ic heaven, infact they cannot know whether they have done anything right or wrong until they die and no longer have the chance to change (don't forget that Alllah has not even told them what to do in the first place).

No wonder some of them are just desperate and fed up enough to want to die for Alllah so as to quickly be able to gatecrash their 72 virgin paradise, Mohammmed himself did not know whether or not he was going to enter their paradise, despite all his huffing and puffing.


babs787 hope this is good enough for you to discuss,

@Witness

Its interesting that despite my attempts to provide a simple and thorough exegesis of your questions, you still come back ranting like one with no hope, claiming and pretending as if i have not even answered your questions . Despite that even a blind person can clearly see that i have already answered your questions in a clinical manner as much as possible.

Have you really done than that? I havent seen where you did but you rather prefer dancing around just like one of your prophets danced naked before the Lord.

Let me now get down to your post where you claimed to have provided rebuttal.

Any way try and pay attention this time as i try to answer you again, despite you attempts at the method of question overloading

You are very fond of that and you may have a look at your last post, trying to deflect the thread and I have told you on several occassions to create a separate thread rather than trying to divert topic.

1. Jesus Christ's birth death and ressurection is a fuffillment of prophecy (check the verses i have already provided and stop pretending as if you didn't see them).

Brother, must you lie to cover your falsehood/ Show me where it was prophesised that he would be crucified and resurrected after 3 days?

2. The Holy Spirit did not impreginate Mary, stop talking like a man with no understanding (actually you are, hence why you are being lectured).

Let me mellow down because it seems you prefer being dubious to intelligent discussion. You claimed that Holy Spirit did not impregnate Mary but we will see that in your next quote.Mind you, you are up to the task of lecturing me but can lecture you on my religion, your religion as well as other religion. You said that you learnt about The Great Religion here and I am very sure you were not born or probsbly in your adolescent when I was a christian and reading the bible and still reading now.



The bible clearly did not say that the Holy Spirit impreginated Mary, stop talking like your Mad Prophet!


You know. I would have stopped answering you as a result of your post above but learnt that your ignorance has really turned you senseless and getting to the level of being insane. Must you say a prophet is mad just because you don't believe in him. You are digging your grave yourself and I can bet it woth you that you would be accoutable for your deeds and action and regret all your sayings. It seems won ko gbe e ra ina when you were born hence the way the use your stinking hand and type rubbish.

Read those verses again and stop ranting,

Let us read from the senseless one

3. Interesting to see that you  are claiming the Holy Spirit impreginated Mary, yet you and Mohammmed tend to claim that there is no Holy Spirit (actually babs which one are you trying to claim, cus it seems you talking from both sides of the mouth here).

Can you please show me where I claimed that there is no Holy spirit?

one time you claim there is no holy spirit , another time you claim that the holy spirit impreginated Mary, which one exactly is it that you stand for cus it seems you are just equivocating.

Can you show me or you remain silent for ever? We will get to where Holy Spirit impregnated Mary soon.



4. The verses which you have decided to

ignore (for obvious deceitful) reasons clearly shows (even to a blind man that Jesus Christ came to die for the sins of his people , i.e. mankind), that you fail to see those verses must really be a miracle of optical physics.

I have told you on several ocassion that you don't just post ignorantly but back up your post with facts. Can you still show me where JESUS CLAIMED THAT HE CAME TO DIE FOR YOUR SINS AND BE CRUCIFIED?

Lest I forget, can you present the verse on the good news given to Mary by the Holy Spirit and let Nairalanders be the judge. I would have served you the verse but want you, a christian to serve me and when you do that, I will give you Quranic verses on that and you will tell me which of the two you would choose and be more comfortable with.

1. Now you behaving like a baby, through your childish and obstinate utterances,

You are not the first uncouth christian I would be dealing with that prefer being abusive when they have nothing reasonable to offer and I have been handling your folks veyr well. So your own case is not an exception. You are still welcome to my world.

2. Anyway the bible verses you are requested are these (although i believe that i have already provided them). Notice that even the Angel (not even an ordinary man) himself was the one who said that Jesus Christ was going to be called Emmanuel.

Ok let me continue reading before making any comment.

Old Testament Prophecy
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Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.[/[/b]quote]


[b]Do you read your bible at all or you listen to your pastors? Read that chapter from the beginning and you would see that it was not referring to Jesus at all. When you finish deceiving yourself, read below and be enlightened:

The gospels of Matthew (1:18-25) and Luke (1:26-35) both claim that Jesus was born of a virgin, but only Matthew (1:23) appeals to the Hebrew scriptures as an explanation for why this should be the case. The verse appealed to is Isaiah 7:14, which reads: [b]"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel."

There are a number of difficulties with this passage. As many have noted, the Hebrew word translated as "virgin" in this verse is "almah," which is more accurately translated simply as "young woman." The Hebrew word "bethulah" means "virgin."

In the book of Isaiah, "bethulah" appears four times (23:12, 37:22, 47:1, 62:5), so its author was aware of the word.

In the New American Standard translation of the Bible, all other appearances of "almah" are translated simply as "girl," "maid," or "maiden" (viz: Genesis 24:43, Exodus 2:8, Psalms 68:25, Proverbs 30:19, Song of Solomon 1:3, 6:. Thus the claimed fulfillment adds a biologically impossible condition which is not even present in the original prophecy


Another problem is that nowhere in the New Testament does Mary, Jesus' mother, refer to him as "Immanuel." There is no evidence that one of the conditions of the prophecy was ever fulfilled.


Looking at the entire seventh chapter of Isaiah, it becomes clear that the child in question is to be born as a sign to Ahaz, King of Judah, that he will not be defeated in battle by Rezin, King of Syria, and Pekah, son of the King of Israel. Jesus' birth was some seven centuries late to be such a sign.

In Isaiah 8:3-4, a prophetess gives birth to a son--Maher-shalal-hash-baz--who is clearly described as the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14.[/b]

[quote]New Testament Fufillment of Prophecy
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Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Do you read to understand? The verse said that he would be called Emmanuel and can you please show me where he was called EMMANUEL?

at least 500 people(witnesses) saw Jesus Christ after He had resurrected and before he ascended to Heaven.

The resurrection and crucifixion story is a hoax.

The most striking feature of the early documents is that they do not set Jesus’ life in a specific historical situation. There is no Galilean ministry, and there are no parables, no miracles, no Passion in Jerusalem, no indication of time, place of attendant circumstances at all. The words Calvary, Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Galilee never appear in the early epistles, and the word Jerusalem is never used there in connection with Jesus .


The gospels included in the New Testament are widely agreed to have been written between A.D. 70 and 100. In these four gospels, it is claimed that Jesus taught in Galilee in the opening decades of the first century, worked miracles there, or what at any rate were taken for miracles, and died in Jerusalem at the behest of the Roman governor Pontius Pilate, yet none of these things are claimed, or even mentioned, in the earliest surviving Christian documents.

[b]Here is what scholar Mack Burton says:

There is no reference to Jesus’ death as a crucifixion in the pre-Markan Jesus material (Who Wrote the New Testament? p. 87)

The Gospel of Mark was written very late, the crucifixion story did not exist before its composition.


In what way was he like Jonah having given the sign of Jonah as his only sign?[/b]

So since you have pretended not to have seen the bible verses which i used to support this claim, below are the same bible verses again:


1Co 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Read my above post again and when you are through:

[b]Please why is the story of 500 witnesses not recorded in any of the Gospels?
Why was it recorded by Paul that never witnessed Jesus' ministry?[/b]

1. He prayed to God the Father

You claimed that Jesus is God, so how come he prayed to himself?

2. He shout "my God , why has thous forsaken me", as a fufillment of old testament, which says and I quote:

Psa 22:1  <To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.> My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Do you really post for knowledge or to cause mischief? The above post is self explanatory just like the one you tried linking to Jesus above. Read the verse again and you may start from the beginning and you would see that Jesus was never crucified.

Why would Jesus, supposed to be God incarnate, speak of being forsaken by himself at all, let alone at the culmination of his plan for human salvation?

I don't recognise all this nonsense that you are quoting as being reliable and infallible sources, simply because they fallible and partial, antagonistic sources.

Can I have where trinity was preached by OT prophets and also by Jesus and where Jesus said that  I AM GOD.

In fact its really unintelligent of you not to realise that you are using the fallible statements of ordinary men who clearly do not believe or understand the bible as your evidence, how pathetic,

Do you have trinity in your bible and if you do, let me have them and we examine if you are really truthful or not?

1. Yes Jesus Christ called Himself God.

Can I have where he said that I AM GOD?

2. Yes there are bible verses.

Can you serve me the verses?

3. Yes I have already given you those bible verses

If you think you have, you may re-serve me.

 

1. I accept the KJV (King James Version) as the only infallible english version of the bible (most , if not all of the other versions, i believe have been tampered with by the Catholic Church, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and others, so that fact that you are quoting them to support the lies of Mohammmed only goes to show that the Kingdom of the Devil is using its own evidences for its own purposes)

2. Hence that is why its is easy for a True christian to know that Jehova witnesses are not christians.

Dont try to cover up what has been exposed. It is not only Jehovah witness bible that is not in agreement with KJV  but other protestant's bible too. We have some verses in KJV  version but missing in some other versions, so how come? The verses in question are not in the original manuscript, so where did KJV  got its own from?

How come the KJV  that came after some of the versions is the most authentic ad are you saying other versions like Good news bible, RSV, NIT, American Bible, Holy Bible  etc are not reliable?

3. Hence that is why its is easy for a True christian to know that Catholics are not Christians.

I have not even referred to catholics but your protestant bible. What happens to the verses missing in other versions but present in KJV and those verses are not in original manuscript?

How come KJV is the most reliable when others came before it and do we discard others for not being reliable?

4. Hence that is why its is easy for a True Christian does not recognise the Bible "interpretations" which you have just quoted.

Who says a true christian does not recognise that? Are you saying that other versions are not reliable considering the fact that some came before KJV and some verses present in KJV but missing in other versions cannot be found in the original manuscript?






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@Witness


Aburo/friend, read the below exposure and get in touch ASAP.

Let us expose some facts:


Jesus did not come to die


The Jews of Palestine expected the arrival of a Prophet who’d overthrow the Roman government and destroy the occupation, not to be crucified by them! Jesus made it clear that the purpose of his mission was to preach the Law and the Gospel (only) to the Children of Israel:


Jesus replied, "Let us go somewhere else—to the nearby villages—so I can preach there also. That is why I have come." (Mark 1:38)

But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent." (Luke 4:43)


For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matthew 18:11, KJV only)

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)


But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)


Jesus was unwilling to die:

Jesus escaped crucifixion because he did not want to die, that was not the purpose of his mission, and GOD saved him. According to the Gospels, Jesus was quite unwilling to be crucified, or even stoned:


After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. (John 7:1)

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:59)

Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples. (John 11:54)

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
(Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42)


Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16)


The Bible teaches that false prophets must die:

The Jews and Romans never crucified Jesus, or else the mission would have failed, the Jews expected the Anointed One to be victorious the way David (the anointed) prevailed over his enemies; he was also betrayed by Ahithophel. Jesus could not have been the Messiah if he were executed. The Bible explicitly teaches that false prophets must die:


And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. (Deuteronomy 13:5)


But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:19)


The crucified Prophet is under God’s curse:


His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 21:23)


Amazingly, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified on a tree:

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30)


And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: (Acts 10:39)

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)


The scholar Arthur Weigall describes that Osiris was crucified upon a tree, like many previous ‘man-gods’, the cross was not unique, its pagan symbol. The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus was crucified upon a ‘stake’. But the ‘tree story’ was indeed plagiarized from the story of Osiris and Isis.


"The Popular and widespread religion of Osiris and Isis exercised considerable influence upon early Christianity, for these two great Egyptian deities, whose worship had passed into Europe were revered in Rome and in several other centres, where Christian communities were growing up. Osiris and Isis, so runs the legend, were brother and sister and also husband and wife; but Osiris was murdered, his coffined body being thrown into the Nile, and shortly afterwards the widowed and exiled Isis gave birth to a son, Horus. The coffin, meanwhile, was washed up on the Syrian coast, and became miraculously lodged in the trunk of a tree, so that Osiris, like other sacrificed gods, could be described as having been.' slain and hanged on a tree.'


The Destruction of Jerusalem occurred in 70 CE, and copies of the Torah were destroyed by the Romans. The Diocletian persecution (303 CE) is witness to the historical destruction of Jewish and Christian books. The Pauline Church destroyed the Scriptures of the Nazarenes which contained the original sayings of Jesus, because it contradicted the pagan trinity.


The Roman occupation was never destroyed, the Jews dispersed into various parts of the world after the ‘foretold’ Messiah failed to deliver them. The Nazarenes and Ebionites were disappointed when Jesus did not return; the Gospels record Jesus saying he would ‘return’ during the lifetime of his people (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Revelations 22:7, 12, 20) which sadly never happened. The prophecy failed.



God will save the Messiah


Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed;
he answers him from his holy heaven
with the saving power of his right hand. (Psalms 20:6)


Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)


Psalms 20:6 refers to Jesus; God did save him with the power of His right hand. Jesus emphasized the power of God, His right hand. A purely figurative expression:

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matthew 26:64)



Jesus Christ has angels to protect him:


Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. (Matthew 4:11)


The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41)


And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. (Luke 22:43)



The Christ is Protected by God

"Do not touch my anointed ones;
do my prophets no harm." (1Chronicles 16:22)

O LORD God, do not reject your anointed one.
Remember the great love promised to David your servant. (2Chronicles 6:42)


Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

The LORD [is] their strength, and he [is] the saving strength of his anointed.

(Psalms 28:



The Greek word ‘Christ’ means the ‘anointed one’. Jesus was anointed, so therefore he was saved from crucifixion.

The Gospels describe how Jesus wept immensely to be saved from death. The crucifixion was the most humiliating form of execution, used for political reasons, and not religious purposes.




Many early Christian sects did not believe Jesus was crucified. Jesus laughed with joy:

Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all. Those, then, who know these things have been freed from the principalities who formed the world; so that it is not incumbent on us to confess him who was crucified, but him who came in the form of a man, and was thought to be crucified, and was called Jesus, and was sent by the Father.

(The Church Father Iranaeus, Against Heresies, Chapter XXIV.-Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides)




That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: (Al-Quran 4:157)


The 1945 discovery of Gnostic texts at Nag Hammadi, Egypt unearthed a book called The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, where Jesus states:


I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance. (The Treatise of the Great Seth)



Contradictory Accounts of Jesus’ Alleged crucifixion



The four Gospels contradict each other; the story of the crucifixion is told differently in each Gospel. Logically, all four Gospels cannot be simultaneously true. Hence, the crucifixion is not historical, or the sources would be rather consistent if they were reliable. The attempt to “harmonize” the accounts is impossible because the contradictions are so vast.


“Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them"


“The Christians have dozens of different versions, rather than one universally agreed view, regarding the crucifixion of the Messiah. This in itself is an eloquent testimony that the Christians were doubtful about the actual event. Some of them held the view that the one who was crucified was someone other than Jesus and that Jesus himself in fact remained standing somewhere nearby, laughing at their folly… Had the truth been fully known and well-established so many divergent views could not have gained currency”.


The Bible rejects the ‘atonement’

To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. (Isaiah 1:11)


Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (Psalms 40:6)

For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering. (Psalms 51:16)]


"I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and they ate to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them." (Jesus Christ, The Gospel of the Nazorenes)


And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. (Mark 12:30-33)


To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)

But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)

Jesus will have mercy and not sacrifice; he was not crucified for the ‘sins of the world’, but rather he was sent to put sinners to repentance. He came to preach the discarded teachings of the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20) he came to preach the Gospel (Matthew 4:23) he was Prophet and Messenger (Matthew 21:11) not the pagan ‘crucified Christ’ the Church upholds today.


Jesus made it clear that salvation is not attained through blood sacrifice, but simply keeping the commandments of God.




16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)

Jesus never said “salvation comes through my blood”, he simply told the man that salvation comes through obeying the commandments. The crucifixion is not even mentioned or alluded to. The Old Testament says:



The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."

(Joseph Wheless, The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Acharya S)



The books [canonical gospels] are not heard of till 150 A.D., that is, till Jesus had been dead nearly a hundred and twenty years. No writer before 150 A.D. makes the slightest mention of them." (Bronson, C. Keeler, A Short History of the Bible)



"The Four Gospels were unknown to the early Christian Fathers. Justin Martyr, the most eminent of the early Fathers, wrote about the middle of the second century. His writings in proof of the divinity of Christ demanded the use of these Gospels had they existed in his time. He makes more than 300 quotations from the books of the Old Testament, and nearly one hundred from the Apocryphal books of the New Testament; but none from the four Gospels. (The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You to Read, Tim C. Leedom)



“Not a single Gospel was written down at the time of Jesus, they were all written long after his earthly mission had come to an end” (Maurice Bucaille, The Bible, the Quran, and Science p. 127),



“Each of the four canonical Gospels is religious proclamation in the form of a largely fictional narrative. Christians have never been reluctant to write fiction about Jesus, and we must remember that our four canonical Gospels are only the cream of a large and varied literature” (Rendal Helms, Gospel Fictions p.11)

babs787:

@Witness
Aburo/friend, read the below exposure and get in touch ASAP.
Let us expose some facts:

Jesus did not come to die

The Jews of Palestine expected the arrival of a Prophet who’d overthrow the Roman government and destroy the occupation, not to be crucified by them! Jesus made it clear that the purpose of his mission was to preach the Law and the Gospel (only) to the Children of Israel:

Jesus replied, "Let us go somewhere else—to the nearby villages—so I can preach there also. That is why I have come." (Mark 1:38)

But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent." (Luke 4:43)

For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. (Matthew 18:11, KJV only)

For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)

But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)


Jesus was unwilling to die:

Jesus escaped crucifixion because he did not want to die, that was not the purpose of his mission, and GOD saved him. According to the Gospels, Jesus was quite unwilling to be crucified, or even stoned:


After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. (John 7:1)

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:59)

Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples. (John 11:54)

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
(Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42)


Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16)


The Bible teaches that false prophets must die:

The Jews and Romans never crucified Jesus, or else the mission would have failed, the Jews expected the Anointed One to be victorious the way David (the anointed) prevailed over his enemies; he was also betrayed by Ahithophel. Jesus could not have been the Messiah if he were executed. The Bible explicitly teaches that false prophets must die:


And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. (Deuteronomy 13:5)


But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deuteronomy 18:19)


The crucified Prophet is under God’s curse:


His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 21:23)


Amazingly, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified on a tree:

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30)


And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: (Acts 10:39)

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)


The scholar Arthur Weigall describes that Osiris was crucified upon a tree, like many previous ‘man-gods’, the cross was not unique, its pagan symbol. The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus was crucified upon a ‘stake’. But the ‘tree story’ was indeed plagiarized from the story of Osiris and Isis.


"The Popular and widespread religion of Osiris and Isis exercised considerable influence upon early Christianity, for these two great Egyptian deities, whose worship had passed into Europe were revered in Rome and in several other centres, where Christian communities were growing up. Osiris and Isis, so runs the legend, were brother and sister and also husband and wife; but Osiris was murdered, his coffined body being thrown into the Nile, and shortly afterwards the widowed and exiled Isis gave birth to a son, Horus. The coffin, meanwhile, was washed up on the Syrian coast, and became miraculously lodged in the trunk of a tree, so that Osiris, like other sacrificed gods, could be described as having been.' slain and hanged on a tree.'


The Destruction of Jerusalem occurred in 70 CE, and copies of the Torah were destroyed by the Romans. The Diocletian persecution (303 CE) is witness to the historical destruction of Jewish and Christian books. The Pauline Church destroyed the Scriptures of the Nazarenes which contained the original sayings of Jesus, because it contradicted the pagan trinity.


The Roman occupation was never destroyed, the Jews dispersed into various parts of the world after the ‘foretold’ Messiah failed to deliver them. The Nazarenes and Ebionites were disappointed when Jesus did not return; the Gospels record Jesus saying he would ‘return’ during the lifetime of his people (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Revelations 22:7, 12, 20) which sadly never happened. The prophecy failed.



God will save the Messiah

Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed;
he answers him from his holy heaven
with the saving power of his right hand. (Psalms 20:6)

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; (Hebrews 5:7)

Psalms 20:6 refers to Jesus; God did save him with the power of His right hand. Jesus emphasized the power of God, His right hand. A purely figurative expression:

Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matthew 26:64)

Jesus Christ has angels to protect him:


Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. (Matthew 4:11)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (Matthew 13:41)

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. (Luke 22:43)


The Christ is Protected by God

"Do not touch my anointed ones;
do my prophets no harm." (1Chronicles 16:22)

O LORD God, do not reject your anointed one.
Remember the great love promised to David your servant. (2Chronicles 6:42)


Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

The LORD [is] their strength, and he [is] the saving strength of his anointed.

(Psalms 28:

The Greek word ‘Christ’ means the ‘anointed one’. Jesus was anointed, so therefore he was saved from crucifixion.

The Gospels describe how Jesus wept immensely to be saved from death. The crucifixion was the most humiliating form of execution, used for political reasons, and not religious purposes.

Many early Christian sects did not believe Jesus was crucified. Jesus laughed with joy:

Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all. Those, then, who know these things have been freed from the principalities who formed the world; so that it is not incumbent on us to confess him who was crucified, but him who came in the form of a man, and was thought to be crucified, and was called Jesus, and was sent by the Father.

(The Church Father Iranaeus, Against Heresies, Chapter XXIV.-Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides)



That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: (Al-The Great Book 4:157)


The 1945 discovery of Gnostic texts at Nag Hammadi, Egypt unearthed a book called The Second Treatise of the Great Seth, where Jesus states:


I did not succumb to them as they had planned. But I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me. And I did not die in reality but in appearance, lest I be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered according to their sight and thought, in order that they may never find any word to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, (happened) to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. For their Ennoias did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance. (The Treatise of the Great Seth)

Contradictory Accounts of Jesus’ Alleged crucifixion

The four Gospels contradict each other; the story of the crucifixion is told differently in each Gospel. Logically, all four Gospels cannot be simultaneously true. Hence, the crucifixion is not historical, or the sources would be rather consistent if they were reliable. The attempt to “harmonize” the accounts is impossible because the contradictions are so vast.

“Actually, the fact that we have four gospels lies at the very heart of our problem. Because we read particular parables or sayings or stories in several different versions, we can't miss the disagreements between them"

“The Christians have dozens of different versions, rather than one universally agreed view, regarding the crucifixion of the Messiah. This in itself is an eloquent testimony that the Christians were doubtful about the actual event. Some of them held the view that the one who was crucified was someone other than Jesus and that Jesus himself in fact remained standing somewhere nearby, laughing at their folly… Had the truth been fully known and well-established so many divergent views could not have gained currency”.

The Bible rejects the ‘atonement’

To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. (Isaiah 1:11)

Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (Psalms 40:6)

For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering. (Psalms 51:16)]

"I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood, and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you, even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and they ate to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them." (Jesus Christ, The Gospel of the Nazorenes)

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. (Mark 12:30-33)

To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)

But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Matthew 9:13)

Jesus will have mercy and not sacrifice; he was not crucified for the ‘sins of the world’, but rather he was sent to put sinners to repentance. He came to preach the discarded teachings of the Torah (Matthew 5:17-20) he came to preach the Gospel (Matthew 4:23) he was Prophet and Messenger (Matthew 21:11) not the pagan ‘crucified Christ’ the Church upholds today.

Jesus made it clear that salvation is not attained through blood sacrifice, but simply keeping the commandments of God.

16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)

Jesus never said “salvation comes through my blood”, he simply told the man that salvation comes through obeying the commandments. The crucifixion is not even mentioned or alluded to. The Old Testament says:
The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."

(Joseph Wheless, The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Acharya S)

The books [canonical gospels] are not heard of till 150 A.D., that is, till Jesus had been dead nearly a hundred and twenty years. No writer before 150 A.D. makes the slightest mention of them." (Bronson, C. Keeler, A Short History of the Bible)

"The Four Gospels were unknown to the early Christian Fathers. Justin Martyr, the most eminent of the early Fathers, wrote about the middle of the second century. His writings in proof of the divinity of Christ demanded the use of these Gospels had they existed in his time. He makes more than 300 quotations from the books of the Old Testament, and nearly one hundred from the Apocryphal books of the New Testament; but none from the four Gospels. (The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You to Read, Tim C. Leedom)

“Not a single Gospel was written down at the time of Jesus, they were all written long after his earthly mission had come to an end” (Maurice Bucaille, The Bible, the The Great Book, and Science p. 127),

“Each of the four canonical Gospels is religious proclamation in the form of a largely fictional narrative. Christians have never been reluctant to write fiction about Jesus, and we must remember that our four canonical Gospels are only the cream of a large and varied literature” (Rendal Helms, Gospel Fictions p.11)

haba! babs787, no matter how good selfish you are, you should first ask "WHERE IS WITNESS" or are you not missing him despite all the wahala his giving to you and me and to all as well? WHERE IS SYSUSER WITNESS?

@May Kelly

haba! babs787, no matter how good selfish you are, you should first ask "WHERE IS WITNESS" or are you not missing him despite all the wahala his giving to you and me and to all as well? WHERE IS SYSUSER WITNESS?

You may call me whatever you feel like. It is a free world and there is freedom of expression.

He would soon come back with another id, from sysuser to sysuserx, not. seun and finally to witness and we have not seen what he really came to witness.

Yeye boy

apart from the fight recorded in the Bible b/w the Angels of GOD and Lucifer?

@may kelly
could u pls tell me where it was recorded?


and to others in the house

any idea where d above is recorded in d bible

jennykadry:

@may kelly
could u please tell me where it was recorded?

and to others in the house

any idea where d above is recorded in d bible

@jennykadry, your question is a nice one. but i want to prepare you for the answer, could you please tell me how the Devil (Lucifer) came down on earth?

babs787:

@May Kelly


You may call me whatever you feel like. It is a free world and there is freedom of expression.

He would soon come back with another id, from sysuser to sysuserx, not. seun and finally to witness and we have not seen what he really came to witness.

Yeye boy

@babs787, JESUS DIE FOR ME. That is my believe and even in the grave I will still say the same thing. Your Bible/Koran quote is incomplete. EVEN IN THE GRAVE JESUS IS THE GOD THE SON. Believe him for your sins; for those who put their trust in the FATHER THROUGH JESUS CHRIST HAVE NEVER BEEN DISAPPOINTED. Believe the bible it is the truth of all
rel igions.

May God the Father gives you understanding and opens up your inner mind and eyes and remove that believe that when you fight a war thereby killing others you will go to heaven hell

@jennykadry, your question is a nice one. but i want to prepare you for the answer, could you please tell me how the Devil (Lucifer) came down on earth?

yea yea,d best singer in heaven,God's right hand man,his very good friend,he wanted to rub shoulders wt God all because of greed,wants to be another God,then God cursed him and God and his angels threw him out

i know all these,but i have been hearing of dis fight in heaven for a long time,but i want to know where it is recorded

@jennykadry

Revelation 12:7 (Whole Chapter)
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (lucifer) and his angels.

Revelation 12:7 (Whole Chapter)
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (lucifer) and his angels.

you r a darling

jennykadry:

you r a darling

Thank you.

May kelly:

@jennykadry

Revelation 12:7 (Whole Chapter)
Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (lucifer) and his angels.

then who is the winner can you probe it? did you witness the even? or just guessing by your own statement?

samba123:

then who is the winner can you probe it? did you witness the even? or just guessing by your own statement? 

@Samba the  Athesist, where you there when your parents gave birth to you? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the  Athesist, where you there when the teachers arrived at 2 to be the answer of 1 plus 1, did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, then who made the sun to shine at day, can you probe it? did you witness the creation of the sun? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the  Athesist, How and where did you arrive on earth? is this earth? can you probe it? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you wear cloth? to cover your unclothedness? who told you, you were naked? can you probe it? did you witness the unclothedness scene? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you slide your mouth? who told you is smile? can you probe it? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@Samba the Athesist, why do you believe the computer? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement. 

@May Kelly

@babs787, JESUS DIE FOR ME.

Where was he crucified?
When was he crucified?
Who witnessed the crucifixion?
In what way was Jesus like Jonah?
Did he fulfil the three days and three nights in the belly of the earth ( when he wasnt even buried)


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hat is my believe and even in the grave I will still say the same thing.

You are one of those that follow a particularv saying or action just because you found people doing it or you were told that it the truth without finding out yourself. You have been shown clear facts here that Jesus did not die for you nor was he your personal saviour.

Your Bible/Great Book quote is incomplete.

Do you care to show me the incomplete part?

EVEN IN THE GRAVE JESUS IS THE GOD THE SON.

So your God died . How could he be God when he said he did not know when the world would end except the father?
How could he be God when he shouted to God to save him?
How could he be God when he begged God to save him?
How could he be God when he said that the One that SENT HIM IS GREATER THAN HIM?

Believe him for your sins;

I belive in him as well as other prophets too because it is in my article of faith. Believe in Allah, believe in Angels, believe in Prophets, believe the last day, believe in His books etc. I believe in Jesus as a slave and messenger of Allah sent for Israel, he was nether your savior nor God, he was not killed or crucified and did not die for your sin.

The similitude of Jesus is like that of Adam that was created from dust and Allah say to it' be' and it was.

for those who put their trust in the FATHER THROUGH JESUS CHRIST HAVE NEVER BEEN DISAPPOINTED.

What sort of disappointment are you talking about so that I give you some?
You gotta believe in Jesus as well as in the last prophet and book and by doing that, you will gain paradise. Remember when a man went to Jesus and asked him how to gain paradise, the man called him good and JESUS told him that there is no good person except the creator in heavenm and that if he must gain paradise, he must KEEP THE COMMANDMENT AND NOT DONT WORRY JUST BELIE E IN MY BLOOD AND YOU WOULD BE SAVED. The commandment he referred to is the same as that of Moses but when given part of Ot to you, you claim that it was for the jews.

Believe the bible it is the truth of all
rel igions.

What truth?

May God the Father gives you understanding and opens up your inner mind and eyes and remove that believe that when you fight a war thereby killing others you will go to heaven hell.

Hold on baby girl. God gave me understanding which made me find out the truth about Islam and what christianity is all about and sped up my leaving it for Islam. At times, I beliee that God wanted me to learn about christianity hence my being born by christian, grew up in chriatian community, went to missionary school, a strong evangelist in my church (then we dont have all these new generation churches that preach prosperity)

Point of correction, God did not tell me to be killing people to gain heaven and if you have it, please let me have it.

You still havent shown me where Jesus said I AM GOD AND THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR

@babs787,

We have nothing to argue to debate about, FOR WHAT I KNOW I KNOW AND WHAT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE, JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY FOR ME. HE IS ABLE TO WASH AWAY MY SINS. HE IS MY SAVIOUR AND AS WELL GOD. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD THAT WAS MADE FLESH. THE WORD OF GOD IS GOD. BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU; YOUR LIKE ONE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS THAT'S WHY YOU RAN INTO BOUNDAGE THINKING YOU HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH.

bUT BE WARNED!!! JESUS SAID "IAM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE" what are am saying; THAT MY JESUS DIE FOR ME. THAT MY JESUS IS NEITHER SLAVE, BUT A MESSIAH TO THE WHOLE WORLD not only in ISREAL.

Babs787, do not allow devil to blame you simply because you are entitle to FOUR WIVES. Babs787 if I may ask "WHAT WILL IT PROFIT YOU TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSSES YOUR SOUL??

Think twice and I advice you to forsake what you now believe and go back to your root; for there life in there. AND I HAVE TOLD YOU; STOP CALLING JESUS BETTER CALL HIM ISSA, BECAUSE ISSA IS NOT THE SAME AS JESUS THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

and I repeat stop misquoting me " I NEVER TOLD YOU THAT JESUS SAID WE SHOULD CALL HIM GOD" JESUS IS HUMBLE AND WILL NEVER DISCLOSE HIMSELF TO YOU. JESUS IS NOT A BOASTER.

In GOD we have: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
In Man we have: The Body, The Soul and the Mind

Bab787 how can i explain these to you, when you read and write only arab thinking that God understand that language only. HOW COULD YOU think of things like that; Do not be BRAIN WASHED


GOD RAISE JESUS FROM DEATH. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE BECAUSE YOUR GOD HAS LIMITATION. Christian's GOD DO NOT HAVE LIMITATIONS; OUR GOD IS GOD OF IMPPOSSIBILITIES, HENCE JESUS WALKED ON THE SEA.

With your little brain "I DON'T THINK YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THESE AT ALL"

May wisdom and understanding be your portion as you make a U-Turn without shame.

@May Kelly

We have nothing to argue to debate about, FOR WHAT I KNOW I KNOW AND WHAT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE, JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY FOR ME.

You believe but cannot prove or refute all biblical verses going against that.

HE IS ABLE TO WASH AWAY MY SINS.

With what did he wash your sin? How could someone that was afraid to die wsh away your sin. He even made straight forward quotes that he caame to preach and you must be born again to gain paradise and that you should believe in his sacrifice like Ogun worshipper th uses dog for sacrifice or Ogboni/cult that uses human being for sacrifice

HE IS MY SAVIOUR AND AS WELL GOD. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD THAT WAS MADE FLESH. THE WORD OF GOD IS GOD. 

Do you have any verse supporting your saying. Ok, I almost forgot that you are catholic and should be willing to die for this trinity because you started it and ever since you started it, catholic have been calling the doctrine of trinity a mystery. Let me have any verse supporting it and we digress a little bit into the early manuscript to see it it really exist and if erly christians ever preached same. Dont you have senses? How could a God that created heaven and earht be not aware of when the world would end?
How could someone that created heaven and earth be subjected to that kind of death meant for criminals?
How could your God said that they should not call him good that the only one that is good is the one in heaven?
how could your God be lesser to the one in heaven yet they are equal.
How could someone thaat created heaven, earth human beings be tortured by that His creation?
How could your God be begging himself?

I feel like continue but must stop for you to have a re-think.

You need to find time, revert to The Great Religion and be saved because all these bullshit would lead nowhere but destruction.

BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU; YOUR LIKE ONE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS THAT'S WHY YOU RAN INTO BOUNDAGE THINKING YOU HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH.

Are you saying that Satan was an angel. Any proof for that? He was one of the Jinn.

bUT BE WARNED!!!

About?

JESUS SAID "IAM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE" what are am saying; THAT MY JESUS DIE FOR ME.

Yes he was the waay during his time for his community that he ws sent to and thaat applies to all prophets. They did same to their respective communities.

THAT MY JESUS IS NEITHER SLAVE, BUT A MESSIAH TO THE WHOLE WORLD not only in ISREAL.

Really? Do you read your bible at all or listen to what hear in your church?

Babs787, do not allow devil to blame you simply because you are entitle to FOUR WIVES.

I am very sure that you would be small for me to marry sef ., So na the four wives dey pain you huh. There is nowhere any of the prophets preached against marrying more than one wife and if you have it, pleaase send it to me Asap.
In addition, plese go to this educative thread and learn more about polygamy.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-16387.576.html

Babs787 if I may ask "WHAT WILL IT PROFIT YOU TO GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD AND LOSSES YOUR SOUL??

You should tell your leaders that have been deceiving you all these while, using his name to lead you astray and we the truth is unfolding itself. You would have read or been told about Idahosa and now we have that of Oyakhilome. Some of your leaders even collect power from Jinn and claim that it is from Jesus.

In what way have i gained the whole world. The above statement fits you christian and you have time, money, lies etc to attract people but The Great Religion has none but still waxing stronger because it is from God. Even if your good deeds is like ocean, it would never be accepted from you without having The Great Religion.

Think twice and I advice you to forsake what you now believe and go back to your root; for there life in there.

What is the root. Is christianity the root. Was it prctised by early prophets?

AND I HAVE TOLD YOU; STOP CALLING JESUS BETTER CALL HIM ISSA, BECAUSE ISSA IS NOT THE SAME AS JESUS THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

What is his name in Aramaic?

and I repeat stop misquoting me " I NEVER TOLD YOU THAT JESUS SAID WE SHOULD CALL HIM GOD" JESUS IS HUMBLE AND WILL NEVER DISCLOSE HIMSELF TO YOU. JESUS IS NOT A BOASTER.

So how come you call him God?

In GOD we have: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
In Man we have: The Body, The Soul and the Mind.

Can I have it in that wy from the bible?


Bab787 how can i explain these to you, when you read and write only arab thinking that God understand that language only. HOW COULD YOU think of things like that; Do not be BRAIN WASHED  .


I have not but you have been deluded  and inclined to falsehood despite all you have read here yourself.

GOD RAISE JESUS FROM DEATH.

Did he raise himself from death?

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE BECAUSE YOUR GOD HAS LIMITATION.

What limnitation please?

Christian's GOD DO NOT HAVE LIMITATIONS; OUR GOD IS GOD OF IMPPOSSIBILITIES, HENCE JESUS WALKED ON THE SEA.

Abegi, his miracle was not special. Most  of the prophets did one miracle or the other for people to believe that they are from God but Islaam is not after that and that is what they have been using to deceive you. Lame would walk, blind would see etc. Hogwash

With your little brain "I DON'T THINK YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THESE AT ALL"

I do my little friend but you should check yourself.

May wisdom and understanding be your portion as you make a You-Turn without shame.

Thanks for telling me to stay glue with ISLAM and i am calling you to have a change of heart and see how sweet The Great Religion is.

I consider Catholics to be Pagans who are in league with I.s.l.a.m
Moreover , Jehova Witness , Mormons and Catholics created their version of Jesus Christ to suit their aims,
@ SYSUSER WITNESS?

Are you refering to the over half of the entire Christain Population. To be candid with you i consider catholics more in line with christainity than other dunominations.

POSTED BY WITNESS
I accept the KJV (King James Version) as the only infallible english version of the bible (most , if not all of the other versions, i believe have been tampered with by the Catholic Church, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and others,

Page iii, paragraph six of the PREFACE of the RSV/KJV reads:* , YET THE KING JAMES VERSION HAS GRAVE DEFECTS." And, "THAT THESE DEFECTS ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS AS TO CALL FOR REVISION . . ."


POSTED BY WITNESS
The funny part is that Mohammmed's friend somehow knew the food was poison yet even mohammmed the so called prophet knew absolutely nothing until his friend had already eaten the poisoned food.

Jesus Does Not Know Everything

Speaking of the Last Day, Jesus said:
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." (Matthew 24:36

Jesus did not know the tree had no fruit

“He [Jesus] was hungry. And on seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.” (Mark 11 12-13)

May kelly:

@Samba the Athesist, where you there when your parents gave birth to you? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, where you there when the teachers arrived at 2 to be the answer of 1 plus 1, did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, then who made the sun to shine at day, can you probe it? did you witness the creation of the sun? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, How and where did you arrive on earth? is this earth? can you probe it? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, why do you wear cloth? to cover your unclothedness? who told you, you were naked? can you probe it? did you witness the unclothedness scene? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, why do you slide your mouth? who told you is smile? can you probe it? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement.

@Samba the Athesist, why do you believe the computer? did you witness the event? or just guessing by your own statement.

You see ! even one statement you can't probe it.

samba123:

You see ! even one statement you can't probe it.

Wow he is stupid, What are we susposed to believe in? We evolved over million's of year's from monkey's?

or we all popped out of a hole in the ground and lived together with dinosaurs like in the Flinstones !!!

D D D D

@McUsman

I will not retort you because we are both Mus’lim. Next time if you misquote me again you expect a payback.

@MC Usman

Wow he is stupid, What are we susposed to believe in? We evolved over million's of year's from monkey's?

or we all popped out of a hole in the ground and lived together with dinosaurs like in the Flinstones !!!

D D D D

Hope you didnt refer to Samba with your last quote



@Samba123

@McUsman

I will not retort you because we are both Mus’lim. Next time if you misquote me again you expect a payback.

Payback ke, no its not yet time and there would be no time for it
Do be offended, he was not referring to you jare. We are all muslims and we will forever be . Dont let any intruder pour sand sand for our discussion

Maa Salam