4Him:

The lineage of Noah.

According to the bible, everyone is descended from Noah, isn't it?  So what is special? Which of Noah's offsprings is the forebear of Africans?

tpaine:

According to the bible, everyone is descended from Noah, isn't it? So what is special? Which of Noah's offsprings is the forebear of Africans?

The children of Ham are the forebears of the Africans.

4Him:

The children of Ham are the forebears of the Africans.

Are the Native Australians, New Guineans also descendants of Ham?

tpaine:

Are the Native Australians, New Guineans also descendants of Ham?

Stupid question.

4Him:

Stupid question.

Why is it a stupid question? Who are the Native Australian, New Guineans, Native Americans descended from. Your biblical theory must have a way to also account for them, if it can account for Africans?

tpaine:

Why is it a stupid question? Who are the Native Australian, New Guineans, Native Americans descended from. Your biblical theory must have a way to also account for them, if it can account for Africans?

here is why it is a redundant question:

Mixed race individuals like Tiger Woods are descendants of whom?

4Him:

here is why it is a redundant question:

Mixed race individuals like Tiger Woods are descendants of whom?

Are you suggesting the the Native Australians are mixed race? What races are they a mix of?

@4him

I might have missed a lot but in order to arrest the situation and make it understandable I have decided to start from where you stopped so that there would be proper follow up and here I go with your last post.

Qur'an 37: 100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
101. So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son.
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills, one of the steadfast!"
103. So when they had both submitted (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. We called out to him "O Abraham! ,
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. For this was a clear trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
108. And We left for him among generations (to come) in later times:
109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. For he was one of Our believing Servants.
112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.
113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to themselves.

Here is the problem with the qur'anic description of the sacrifice . . . Ishmael is not mentioned ONCE! Did al'lah also forget him or was his name smuggled out by christian writers?

Now I read your deceipt therein hence my starting from the above verses. If you have not been deceiving yourself, the above verse seems to be self explanatory and it make us realise that it was after the sacrifice that Isaac was born. Read from that 100 you posted above down to 111 and you would see that it was after this inceident that Isaac was born and in case you missed the explanation, here are the verses again and please note my highlighted words:


99. He said: "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me!
100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
101. So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son.
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if God so wills, one of the steadfast!"
103. So when they had both submitted (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. We called out to him "O Abraham! , 
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. For this was a clear trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
108. And We left for him among generations (to come) in later times:
109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. For he was one of Our believing Servants.

112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.

113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to themselves.

Hope you have seen it that God referred to Ishmael and Isaac was born after that incident hence from v 112 above.


Let us read the opinion of Judeo-Christian Scholars viewpoint on the same issue which goes thus:

The Encyclopaedia Judaica says:

In the tale of binding (surah 37:99-110) The Great Prophet identified the son who was to be sacrificed as Ishmael and, indeed, the opinion of the traditionalists were also divided on this subject. It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from the Qurayza tribe, and another Jewish scholar, who converted to The Great Religion, told that Caliph Omar Ibn Abd al-Azîz (717-20) that the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy. The Great One legend also adds details of Hajar (Hagar), the mother of Ismail. After Abraham drove her and her son out, she wandered between the hills of al-Safa and al-Marwa (in the vicinity of Mecca) in search for water. At that time the waters of the spring Zemzem began to flow. Her acts became the basis for the hallowed custom of Great Ones during the Hajj.


The testimony of the former Jew as mentioned hadîth literature as quoted in the Encyclopaedia Judaica reads:

Another proof of our speech[b] [i.e., that sacrificed was Ishmael][/b] is reported by Ibn Ishâq: "The Great Prophet Ibn Ka'b narrated that Umar Ibn Abd al-Azîz sent for a man who had been a Jew then converted to The Great Religion and showed signs of true The Great Religion. [Before his conversion], he was one of their scholars [i.e., he was a Jewish scholar] So he [i.e., Umar] asked him: which son did Abraham sacrifice? He replied: 'It is Ishmael. By God, O Commander of the Believers, the Jews know that but they envy you - the Arabs.

The Oxford Companion To The Bible echoes the same position as the Encyclopaedia Judaica.

In Great One tradition, the Arabs trace their ancestry back to Abraham through Ishmael. Because Ishmael was circumcised (Gen. 17:25), so are most Great Ones. And, analogous to Paul's reversal of the figures of Isaac and Ishmael (Gal. 4:24-26), Great One tradition makes Ishmael rather than Isaac the son Abraham was commanded to sacrifice

It is quite clear from the statement of Judeo-Christian scholars what the Great One position is about the person who was sacrificed by Abraham.

Brings me back to my earlier question: If Ishmael was the true heir, why did God neglect his children for approximately 2600 years? How could God possibly be faithful to Abraham if this was the case? Why did all the prophets (except for The Great Prophet) come from the line of Isaac?

Your questions seems unintelligent. You are questioning God on why He did that and is the more reason you people are delusioned. I am very sure that if The Great Prophet happened to baa a jew, you would have accepted The Great Religion all these while.

babs787:

the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy

Blabs787, you're making too much noise quoting irrelevant documents that are at best suspect if not fraudulent.

Simple question . . . the names of Isaac and Abraham were mentioned in that surah and that of the supposed fellow who was to be sacrificed "Ishmael" completely absent?

Another question for you blind dolts - Why are you quoting suspect JEWISH sources to support your lies? Is there NO SINGLE SHRED of evidence from the descendants of Ishmael?

You fraudulently said below:

babs787:

The Oxford Companion To The Bible echoes the same position as the Encyclopaedia Judaica.

In Great One tradition, the Arabs trace their ancestry back to Abraham through Ishmael. Because Ishmael was circumcised (Gen. 17:25), so are most Great Ones. And, analogous to Paul's reversal of the figures of Isaac and Ishmael (Gal. 4:24-26), Great One tradition makes Ishmael rather than Isaac the son Abraham was commanded to sacrifice

Sir, the oxford companion to the bible did not echo your position, it was merely reporting the very many untruths that mus'lims have forced into the biblical narrative to smuggle Ishmael in . . . notice the red flag use of "in mus'lim tradition . . ."

My question about Native Australians remains unanswered

tpaine:

My question about Native Australians remains unanswered

Look on the other thread you put up.

@4Him

Blabs787, you're making too much noise quoting irrelevant documents that are at best suspect if not fraudulent.

Have you been able to provide rebuttal to the source?

Simple question . . . the names of Isaac and Abraham were mentioned in that surah and that of the supposed fellow who was to be sacrificed "Ishmael" completely absent?

If your mind is not befogged, you would have read that it was referring to Ishmael despite the fact that it didnt mention his name but reading through the verses, you would see that Isaac was mentioned just to show Ishmael was really the son and I read

Another question for you blind dolts - Why are you quoting suspect JEWISH sources to support your lies? Is there NO SINGLE SHRED of evidence from the descendants of Ishmael?

Keep asking stupid question. You should have provided rebuttal or another source to refute the source I gave to you and not making noise over what you couldnt defend afterall I gave you a source different from my own religion and from Encyclopaedia Judaica!!!. So you may tender your own source apart from your own book and we discuss.

You fraudulently said below:

Ok let us see

Sir, the oxford companion to the bible did not echo your position, it was merely reporting the very many untruths that mus'lims have forced into the biblical narrative to smuggle Ishmael in . . . notice the red flag use of "in mus'lim tradition . . ."

Can we have what it echoed and we use it as part of our guide to the issue being discussed?

babs787:

@4Him

Have you been able to provide rebuttal to the source?

what source? the nonsense you put up earlier and called a "source"?

babs787:

If your mind is not befogged, you would have read that it was referring to Ishmael despite the fact that it didnt mention his name but reading through the verses, you would see that Isaac was mentioned just to show Ishmael was really the son

Isnt it a shame, something as important as a covenant with Abraham is now a subject of ASSUMPTION?
Why would the ko'ran mention Isaac "just to show Ishmael was really the son"? What would have been so hard to mention Ishmael JUST ONCE?

babs787:

Keep asking stupid question. You should have provided rebuttal or another source to refute the source I gave to you and not making noise over what you couldnt defend afterall I gave you a source different from my own religion and from Encyclopaedia Judaica!!!. So you may tender your own source apart from your own book and we discuss.

What a fraud. You gave me a source different from your religion NOT as proof that u're not biased but because YOUR OWN RELIGION HAS NO SOURCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LIES!
You tried using the bible as proof, where is the confirmation in the ko'ran?

4him


It seems you have lost the battle, try something intelligent to counter all I gave you and not beating about the bush in search of what to say.,

I went extra mile to give you a source not from my religion but all you could do was to post few irelevant things

If you up to a debate/discussion with facts, then you have Babs and not your maradona style of avoiding issues

babs787:

It seems you have lost the battle, try something intelligent to counter all I gave you and not beating about the bush in search of what to say.,

Oh boy if you have no excuse just honorably say so instead of using style to dishonestly run away.

babs787:

I went extra mile to give you a source not from my religion but all you could do was to post few irelevant things

Mba stop lying. You didnt go any extra mile at all . . .
You tried to smuggle the isl'amic drivel into the bible, next you went to bring to us the Encyclopedia judaica based essentially on the opinions of men who were not present 3000yrs ago . . .

Dont bother going an extra mile, start from showing us where Ishmael is named as the sacrificial son IN THE QU'RAN.
The garbled up story is present in ur qu'ran and yet not a peep of Ishmael's name? haba. Start from there before crying about extra air miles.

babs787:

If you up to a debate/discussion with facts, then you have Babs and not your maradona style of avoiding issues

Were is the qu'ranic source o jare?
It will take u another 5yrs to reply this i'm sure.

QUESTION (one) FROM babs787 to MayKelly
Please can you show me from the bible where Jesus said that we should accept him as a personal saviour and Lord?

@babs787 put away the shame, and accept what is worth accepting. As you requested read and believe, 
Read without bias mind.
BELOW ARE THE WORDS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE FOR YOUR ABOVE QUESTION.

JESUS IS OUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND SON OF GOD INDEED

                                                 ANSWERS FOR ABOVE FROM : MAY KELLY
Isaiah 62:11 
The Lord has sent this message to every land:“ Tell the people of Israel, ‘Look, your Saviour is coming. See, he brings his reward with him as he comes.’”

Luke 1:69
He has sent us a mighty Saviour from the royal line of his servant David,

Luke 2:11
The Saviour—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David!

John 4:42
Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not just because of what you told us, but because we have heard him ourselves. Now we know that he is indeed the Saviour of the world.”

Acts 5:31
Then God put him in the place of honor at his right hand as Prince and Saviour. He did this so the people of Israel would repent of their sins and be forgiven.

Acts 13:23  
“And it is one of King David’s descendants, Jesus, who is God’s promised Saviour of Israel!

2 Timothy 1:10
And now he has made all of this plain to us by the appearing of Christ Jesus, our Saviour. He broke the power of death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the Good News.

Titus 1:4
I am writing to Titus, my true son in the faith that we share. May God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour give you grace and peace.

Titus 2:13
while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

Titus 3:6
He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour.

2. Peter 1:11
Then God will give you a grand entrance into the eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:20
And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before.

2 Peter 3:18
Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen.

1 John 4:14
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the[b] Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [/b]

@babs787,
ANSWER TO QUESTION 2

THE POWERFUL NAME OF JESUS- Call HIS name and you will be free indeed

John 20:31 
But these are written so that you may continue to believe that JESUS is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life by the power of his NAME.

Acts 3:6
But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold for you. But I’ll give you what I have. In the NAME of JESUS Christ the Nazarene get up and  walk!”

Acts 3:16 
“Through faith in the[b] NAME of JESUS, [/b] this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in JESUS’ NAME has healed him before your very eyes.

Acts 4:10
Let me clearly state to all of you and to all the people of Israel that he was healed by the Powerful NAME of JESUS Christ the Nazarene, the man you crucified but whom God raised from the dead.

Acts 16:18 
This went on day after day until Paul got so exasperated that he turned and said to the demon within her, “I command you in the NAME of JESUS Christ to come out of her.” And instantly it left her.

Ephesians 5:20
And give thanks for everything to God the Father in the NAME of our Lord JESUS Christ. 

Philippians 2:10
that at the NAME of JESUS every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment: We must believe in the NAME of his Son, JESUS Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.

WE ARE NOT READING JUST ARTICLE BUT "WE READ THE WORD OF WISDOM - THE BIBLE THE TRUE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD "JEHOVAH"

@May Kelly


I realised that you posted same thing in two different threads!! Since you are inclined to falsehood, here is my response to your post.

You will perish if you have no i s lam.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-121443.0.html

babs787:

@May Kelly
I realised that you posted same thing in two different threads!! Since you are inclined to falsehood, here is my response to your post.
You will perish if you have no i s lam.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-121443.0.html

                                                              A SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR A LOST SOUL

[b]Matthew 23:13 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 

14. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

Matthew 23:15 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and MECCA to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 

Matthew 23:29 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. [/b]

@May Kelly: Your Bible verses referred to "Children ofIsrael" alone. A direct set of proofs that Jesus was sent to his people so named, and no others! You are a Nigerian woman. I do not see how you can claim that he was sent to you in Igboland or enywhere outside that Jewish outpost. So your woes are actually directed to the wrong people. Better direct them to the Zionists all over, but those in the state of Israel without any doubt.

olabowale:

@May Kelly: Your Bible verses referred to "Children ofIsrael" alone. A direct set of proofs that Jesus was sent to his people so named, and no others! You are a Nigerian woman. I do not see how you can claim that he was sent to you in Igboland or enywhere outside that Jewish outpost. So your woes are actually directed to the wrong people. Better direct them to the Zionists all over, but those in the state of Israel without any doubt.

MY SWEET JESUS IS BORN AND SAVIOUR FOR THE WHOLE WORLD ISREAL ONLY JUST AS GOD HIMSELF IS FOR
                                                             THE  WHOLE WORLD ZIONIST

Olabowale "Read the Caption and Below also, Always see my sweet Jesus Christ as CHRIST FOR ALL not for Isreal nor Zion alone, In as much as the president of one's country does not show his birth certificate for all before ruling "HOW MUCH MORE THE ONE WHO KNOWNS THE NUMBER OF THE HAIR IN YOUR HEAD.

John 3:16 ,
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He gave up His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

John 3:18 ,
He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.]

John 3:36 ,
And he who believes in has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him.

John 5:25 ,
Believe Me when I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the time is coming and is here now when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear it shall live.

John 6:69 ,
And we have learned to believe and trust, and  we have come to know [surely] that You are the Holy One of God, the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of the living God

John 11:27 ,
She said to Him, Yes, Lord, I have believed [I do believe] that You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One), the Son of God, [even He] Who was to come into the world. [It is for Your coming that the world has waited.]

John 20:31 ,
But these are written (recorded) in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of God, and that through believing and cleaving to and trusting and relying upon Him you may have life through (in) His name

Acts 8:37 ,
And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart  a conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and accept Him as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God, giving Him your obedience, then] you may. And he replied, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

1 John 5:5 ,
Who is it that is victorious over [that conquers] the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on that fact]?

1 John 5:10 ,
He who believes in the Son of God [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] has the testimony [possesses this divine attestation] within himself. He who does not believe God [in this way] has made Him out to be and represented Him as a liar, because he has not believed (put his faith in, adhered to, and relied on) the evidence (the testimony) that God has borne regarding His Son.

1 John 5:13 ,
I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have life, 

YOU SEE "JESUS THE SON OF GOD IS FOR ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM AS A TRUE SON OF GOD BUT NOT AS A PROPHET"  RATHER "HE IS THE FATHER OF ALL PROPHETS!!!

@May Kelly


I still perused your post and did not see where Jesus said that we should accept him as personal saviour and lord but have been giving from those that couldnt be held responsible to be the author of that book or dont you have Gospel accordong to Jesus to give his direct saying from?

A SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR A LOST SOUL

My Creator asked me to tell you this that: 'christians and Jews say that none will enter paradise except he is a jew/christian. Tell them (Jew and christians) that this is their vain desire, tell them to bring their proof if they are truthful. I have been asking you for your proof but you have not been able to grapping at straw. GIVE ME WHERE JESUS SAID THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT HIM AS PERSONAL SAVIOUR AND LORD.

Matthew 23:13 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

14. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

Matthew 23:15 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and

MECCA

to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

So you are this fraudulent . You really showed that you are a real soldier of christ. Must you lie
to decive people?

If you have been reading your bible for understanding, you would have known that the above verses were for the Pharisees and Saducees that were in charge of the Law. Moses told them similar thing when he knew that after his demise, they would change everything he said. Their case is like that of Dog in a manger. They have the law, yet they do not follow it. So how does this relate to me as a m u slim?

Matthew 23:29 ,
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

Get your bible and read for understanding. I as a mus lim shouldnt be the one to be explaining your bible to you. When you are through, get in touch, I am always available

@May Kelly

MY SWEET JESUS IS BORN AND SAVIOUR FOR THE WHOLE WORLD ISREAL ONLY JUST AS GOD HIMSELF IS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD ZIONIST

No. Your God was born by his creation . You said whole world Isreal, are you an Israelite or a zionist?

Olabowale "Read the Caption and Below also, Always see my sweet Jesus Christ as CHRIST FOR ALL not for Isreal nor Zion alone, In as much as the president of one's country does not show his birth certificate for all before ruling "HOW MUCH MORE THE ONE WHO KNOWNS THE NUMBER OF THE HAIR IN YOUR HEAD.

Ok let us read on.

John 3:16 ,
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He gave up His[b] only begotten Son[/b], so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.

Ignorance is really a disease. You are still giving me this verse when John told you that he wrote this so that you may believe that Jesus is lord. If he did not lie, you would not believe him.

In order to know that John is a liar, he claimed that Jesus is the only begotten son but going through the bible we read some begotten sons of God and for your another knowledge, grab your bible and you would see that it was only John that used the word' the only begotten son' for Jesus. Nowhere in the other books do we have such a statement.

Still not a direct statement from Jesus.

John 3:18 ,
He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation--he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.]

Just like I told you above, Is jesus really the only begotten son? You can now see that John is as fraudulent as you are just like you input mecca in one of the verses above. Still nowhere Jesus said you should accept him as personal saviour and Lord.

John 3:36 ,
And he who believes in has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him.

He was preaching and did not even say that Jesus said that you should accept him as lord and personal saviour.

John 5:25 ,
Believe Me when I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the time is coming and is here now when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear it shall live.

What of those that have died? Still nowhere Jesus made that statement.

John 6:69 ,
And we have learned to believe and trust, and we have come to know [surely] that You are the Holy One of God, the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of the living God.

WHERE DID JESUS SAY THAT YOU SHOULD ACCPT HIM AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR?

John 11:27 ,
She said to Him, Yes, Lord, I have believed [I do believe] that You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One), the Son of God, [even He] Who was to come into the world. [It is for Your coming that the world has waited.]

Still giving me the saying of fraudulent John but no single one from Jesus himself . Did Jesus say that the world was waiting for him and he came to be crucified?

John 20:31 ,
But these are written (recorded) in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of God, and that through believing and cleaving to and trusting and relying upon Him you may have life through (in) His name

Good the last saying of John where he made you to know that he just preached so that you may believe but still no statement where Jesus said tht he is your personal saviour and Lord.

Acts 8:37 ,
And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart a conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and accept Him as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God, giving Him your obedience, then] you may. And he replied, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME WHERE JESUS HIMSELF SAID THAT?

1 John 5:5 ,
Who is it that is victorious over [that conquers] the world but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on that fact]?

1 John 5:10 ,
He who believes in the Son of God [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] has the testimony [possesses this divine attestation] within himself. He who does not believe God [in this way] has made Him out to be and represented Him as a liar, because he has not believed (put his faith in, adhered to, and relied on) the evidence (the testimony) that God has borne regarding His Son.

1 John 5:13 ,
I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have life,

Back to the book of John again, the fraudster. He said that Jesus is the only begotten son whereas we have some verses having other people as only begotten son of God as well.

YOU SEE "JESUS THE SON OF GOD IS FOR ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM AS A TRUE SON OF GOD BUT NOT AS A PROPHET" RATHER "HE IS THE FATHER OF ALL PROPHETS!!!

Where did he say that he is the father of all prophets and where did he say that he is your lord and savior?

@BABS787, Please leave my SWEET JESUS CHRIST ALONE. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD. IF NOT FOR JESUS CHRIST - YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE LOWER EARTH BY NOW FOR ALL YOUR SINS. BUT HIS DEATH BROUGHT US SALVATION. In those days you dare not use the name of our LIVING GOD like this - HE will just strike you death.

Anyway sha, no wonder bible says "Do no be equally yoked with unbelievers" Babs787 "ACCEPT JESUS but not Issa as your Saviour.

@Sysuser & SysuserX, well well well!!! i guess your refering to one of your posts out there - you said one man called Mohamm with a 9 year girl bla bla etc oh! never mind i was talking of something else.

I discovered that the child - care agency Man "Mohammmed bin Abdallah" is already known to the Husband(who's a Former Great One): to be untrust worthy much less leaving a 9 year infact girl I must say with him, you can imagine what will Emerge from that, taking care of the little baby girl of 9 years.

emm Sysuser, I mean what do you mean about this story?

Not.Seun:

, , that dialogue is both a joke and truth at the same time,

it exposes a fundamental problem, which I already know , but which i just want to find out whether other people know and thus can relate to in a funny but truthful way,

Once again i already know the answer , however i just want to know what people think, about why the Husband reacted that way.

the dialogue contains , at least 3 different hints to what the answer might be,

oh! is a joke, I see! . but did that actually happen in qquurraan. I mean about the 9 yrs. or is that a joke too? and to you Not.seun; hmm this name is strange, but anyway what are these 3 answers about the joke you know?

Not.Seun:

Yes its both a joke

So do you now know why the husband reacted the way he did,

I am commenting here because you said it was a joke, if not I will not because I don’t want to be banned by the moderator.

I guess may be because the care agency man “name withheld” will reap the 9 year old baby girl. Am afraid i will not comment again. what if am banned please leave me alone!!!oooooooooooooo

Not.Seun:

, its really sad that Nairaland has degenerated to the level in which people are now afraid to voice their believes and convictions independent of whether or not they would be banned or not,

By the way May Kelly you are going against you own motto,

sha, it is not fear oooooooooooooo, I am only caring for men.

Luke 18:2
He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men.

Isaiah 51:12
"I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mortal men, the sons of men, who are but grass,

Isaiah 51:7
"Hear me, you who know what is right, you people who have my law in your hearts: Do not fear the reproach of men or be terrified by their insults.

Acts 10:35
but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right

NOT FEAR BUT ONLY CARE.

Not.Seun:

By the way I pray God would open your eyes to the fact that Catholism has absolutely no biblical basis, and thus why anyone (including you and I) who calls himself a christian cannot afford to play politness politics by refusing to speak out against them, (since it seems that you kind of support catholism).
Trying to support Catholism and at the same time trying to say the you completely believe the bible is quite a contradictory stand, , something similar to sitting on the fence, and something which its not expected to be found with anyone who calls his/herself a Christian.

Don't forget Jesus Christ himself warned us against such kind of action;

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Matthew 7:1
[ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37
[ Judging Others ] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Catholics are True Christians. Though am not a catholic but once a catholic. Catholic beliefs are on my figer tips. Anything you don't understand ask about it - and I will explain why it is so in catholic and their believe. They are far better than m.ussslm, you cannot compare them at all. for instance:
1. they hate voilence
2. they accepts Christ and so no.

Hi friends (4Him, Jesoul, Pilgrim.1, Nwando et al ), I am back again after being banned for the fourth time, yet those who questions i was answering were left to continue saying what they want!

Babs the following is the response to your previous post that i was responding to until , i was banned all of a sudden!

babs787:

@Sysuser

If you have not been deceiving yourself, you would have known that the one in the bible is different from the one you preach. He made statements showing that he wasnt sent to you, never died for you, not crucified and wasnt God.

First and foremost, Mohammmed is a liar who created his own version of Jesus that suits his needs and lies,

Secondly in answer to your question:

1. He was sent to die for the sins of mankind

Angel sent by God the Father Himself clearly states that Jesus Christ was going to save his people (all of mankind) from their sins,


Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.



2. He died for me on the cross and rose again on the third and was seen by more than 500 witness at one point in time


1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.



3. Yes he is God the Son


Jesus Christ himself says He is the Son of God

Joh 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.


Even the ArchAngel Gabriel himself carried a message from God confirming the fact that Jesus Christ was the Son of God

Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luk 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Even Lucifer himself (Satan, Devil or whatever name) recognises the fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Even Jesus Christ himself makes it clear that He was God and that He is existing even before Abraham was created
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Even God the Father Himself publicly revealed during the baptism of Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was his beloved Son
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Even a Roman centurion recognised the fact that Jesus Christ was the Son of God

Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


Even demons recognise the fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

Mar 3:7 But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
Mar 3:8 And from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and from beyond Jordan; and they about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, when they had heard what great things he did, came unto him.
Mar 3:9 And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.
Mar 3:10 For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues.
Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk 8:27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

Luk 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

John the Baptist bore record that Jesus Christ was the son of God (God the Son)

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Even Moses, Elijah, Peter, John and James bore withness to the fact that God the Father said that Jesus Christ was his only beloved Son

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.




So you see in case you are too blind to see or acknowledge, Jesus Christ of the bible is not the same Jesus that Mohammmed talks about in the q'uran, Jesus Christ of the bible has nothing in common with Mohammmed/Alllah, Jesus Christ of the bible has nothing to do with Mohammmed,

Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life,

Mohammmed is simply pure darkness and evil,

Darkness has no fellowship with light

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

babs787:


Telling story that is making no sense. Son of God in English literally mean servant of God in Hebrew

hmm, babs787, babs787, when will you stop all this your illogical , childish and desperate measures to cover up the inadequacies of i.s.l.a.m, alllah, mohammmed and co. Please can you kindly show me (via your mastery of hebrew, yoruba, arabic, english and God knows whatelse, how you can to arrive at the conclusion that Son of God in english means servant of God in Hebrew

babs787:

You are fraudster. Telling me to keep quiet just because I exposed the truth on who jesus really is.

I have been serving you verses from your own very bible and calling those verses lie will further expose christianity and your fraud.

Ignorance is really a disease.

Keep blowing hot air, maybe when you are empty would would stop, listen and learn to what God has now given you the opportunity of learning and understanding.

babs787:

Was Jesus' name 'yahushuwa or yeshua and did they mean same thing?

What is Jesus' name in the language he spoke?

How does that proof that Mohammmed is not a liar, peadophile,murderer, adulterer,incester, dishonourable man, hallucinator, demon possessed man, sex maniac, etc

You are just trying to dodge and diver the attention to something else , Jesus Name in the language he spoke does not concern you , and neither does it concern Mohammmed who was not born during his time and who is not an Isrealite,

Abeg babs stop all these , awawi, , you are just looking for silly excuses to get out of jail!

babs787:

Can I have the verse please?

Yes you can have the verse where Jesus Christ warned us of false prophets that are in the desert, (remember Mohammmed dwelled in the desert region of Arabia)
The related verses are shown below:


Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

babs787:

Where did he say that/?You couldnt even provide where he said that you should accept him as your personal savior and Lord

Yes Jesus Christ himself said that he is our Saviour and the only way through which any man can be saved and that he is also the Son of God


Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

babs787:

Is Jesus a christian?

I have already answered that , please go through the thread, and stop repeating questions and wasting everybody's time and energy

babs787:

I don't believe in stupid stories that lack proof. Support your post with facts and Babs will surely dance along with you.

first and foremost , i don't need you to dance, please stop refering to yourself in third person perspective, by the way since you are so particular about proofs then maybe you can supply proofs for the following (please don't just copy and paste a long meaningless story about how Alllah told you not to provide proof for Alllah):

1. How sperm comes from the Spinal cord
2. How Mohammmed split the moon
3. How the sun sets in the murky spring
4. Where the injil is located
5. Why mohammmed is not a peadophile by sleeping with a 9 year old girl
6. How you can marry more than one wife and still love them equally in all things

Witness:

Babs the following is the response to your previous post that i was responding to until , i was banned all of a sudden!

First and foremost, Mohammmed is a liar who created his own version of Jesus that suits his needs and lies,

Dear witness, I think I have never sent any post to you, but it is my pleasure having you in this forum. I like your name "witness" and I want to just tell you that the second line of your post above "isn't too good; i mean it would be annoying, I hope you get my point. You can show proofs of JESUS LIFE AND INFINITE, IMMEASURABLE, UNBOUNDED, POWER in a good way "because your talking about the KING HIMSELF" remember THE KING doesn't like words like "liar, fool, ect.

Please Witness base on the Love you have for HIM (JESUS) please stop using the word "lliar" i guess is offensive hence "YOUR BAN, BAN, BAN again & again & again all the time.

Sysuser, SysuserX, Not. Seun, & Witness, you can prove to them kindly, gently, in a cool way.

Please lets stop "using liar, etc in our post and communication.

I do hope you understand me.