ROME (RNS) The Vatican said it would display for the first time bones believed to be the mortal remains of St. Peter, the leader of Jesus' 12 apostles, to mark the end of the Year of Faith, Nov. 24.

Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting New Evangelization, wrote in Monday's editions of L'Osservatore Romano, that the Catholic faithful making a pilgrimage to St. Peter's tomb to mark the end of the Year of Faith will enjoy "the exposition … of the relics traditionally recognized as those of the apostle who gave his life for the Lord on this spot."

Fisichella was referring to the long-held belief that Peter was crucified upside down and died in either A.D. 64 or 67 on the spot now marked by the Clementine Chapel inside the basilica that bears his name.

The church never officially declared the bones — which were discovered in the 1940s — authentic. But a series of exhaustive tests conducted on the bones between their discovery and 1968 convinced Pope Paul VI they had been "identified in a way we can hold to be convincing." Previously, only the box containing the bones was on display.

Pope Benedict XVI declared the Year of Faith would begin on Oct. 11, 2012, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. Benedict said at the time that the Year of Faith was a "summons to an authentic and renewed conversation to the Lord."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/12/st-peter-remains/3510357/

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St Peter, pray for us.
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frodobee: St Peter, pray for us.
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The dead can't pray for you. Only Christ can pray for you. Not only is He the risen Christ, He is also the ONLY mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.

God bless.

ayoku777:

The dead can't pray for you. Only Christ can pray for you. Not only is He the risen Christ, He is also the ONLY mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.

God bless.

Thank God st Peter is not dead but alive!!

ayoku777:

The dead can't pray for you. Only Christ can pray for you. Not only is He the risen Christ, He is also the ONLY mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.

God bless.

Thank God st Peter is not dead but alive!! He is no mediator between God and man rather he is a mediator between man and jesus like everyone else.Thank God even a 'dead' elisha could raise the dead by the power of the holy spirit.

chukwudi44:

Thank God st Peter is not dead but alive!! He is no mediator between God and man rather he is a mediator between man and jesus like everyone else.Thank God even a 'dead' elisha could raise the dead by the power of the holy spirit.

There is no scriptural reference to this 'revelation'. That Paul and Peter are praying for us. Its a man-made doctrine.

Let all mumus join me and worship him

Persin don die finish dey no go allow am RIP. #smh for dey Catholic

chukwudi44:

Thank God st Peter is not dead but alive!! He is no mediator between God and man rather he is a mediator between man and jesus like everyone else.Thank God even a 'dead' elisha could raise the dead by the power of the holy spirit.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

is this not in the catholic bible?
for your good information, i go to God himself through prayers not through mary or peter or one saint...
he asked us to ask his name not Mary's name

Ajibam:
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

is this not in the catholic bible?
for your good information, i go to God himself through prayers not through mary or peter or one saint...
he asked us to ask his name not Mary's name

The Catholic bible is different. I mentioned something to a Catholic friend of mine once from the KJV of the Bible. She said it was not in hers. We compared the two. Sure enough the passage was different. Not just worded differently, but saying the same thing. It had a totally different meaning.

texanomaly:
The Catholic bible is different. I mentioned something to a Catholic friend of mine once from the KJV of the Bible. She said it was not in hers. We compared the two. Sure enough the passage was different. Not just worded differently, but saying the same thing. It had a totally different meaning.

Wrong.....the catholic bible just has more books.....

Ajibam:
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

is this not in the catholic bible?
for your good information, i go to God himself through prayers not through mary or peter or one saint...
he asked us to ask his name not Mary's name

Oga mod so you cannot understand a simple bible passage? Did that passage forbid us from praying for one another? Do your pastors who pray for you violate this passage? The same way you and your pastors pray for one another is the same way Mary and other saints pray for us

We do not pray in Mary's ,Peter's or anyother person name but all our prayers are directed to Jesus wo is the mediator.Mary ,the Apostles and other saints pray to Jesus for us same way your pastors pray to Jesus for you

texanomaly:
The Catholic bible is different. I mentioned something to a Catholic friend of mine once from the KJV of the Bible. She said it was not in hers. We compared the two. Sure enough the passage was different. Not just worded differently, but saying the same thing. It had a totally different meaning.

You are joking right?

chukwudi44:

Oga mod so you cannot understand a simple bible passage? Did that passage forbid us from praying for one another? Do your pastors who pray for you violate this passage? The same way you and your pastors pray for one another is the same way Mary and other saints pray for us

We do not pray in Mary's ,Peter's or anyother person name but all our prayers are directed to Jesus wo is the mediator.Mary ,the Apostles and other saints pray to Jesus for us same way your pastors pray to Jesus for you

Dead people dont pray.

Sorry.....as a catholic, I never got used to the intercession of saints

Logicboy03:


Wrong.....the catholic bible just has more books.....

What we have is the original 73 books as canonised by the church in the fourth century.if any person has anything other than that he does not have the bible since the first bible had 73 books and not 66

Logicboy03:


Dead people dont pray.

Sorry.....as a catholic, I never got used to the intercession of saints

No wonder you ended up as an atheist

chukwudi44:

No wonder you ended up as an atheist

Of course.....I used my brain and got to where I am....

chukwudi44:

What we have is the original 73 books as canonised by the church in the fourth century.if any person has anything other than that he does not have the bible since the first bible had 73 books and not 66

I know....the apocrypha.....

This is the simple reason why I laugh at other churches that mock the catholic church.....they have very little idea about the completeness of their bible

Luke 20:34-38

New International Version (NIV)

34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[a] 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”


@Ajibam and ayoku

Was abraham,isaac and jacob reffered to in the passage above dead or alive?

chukwudi44: Luke 20:34-38

New International Version (NIV)

34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[a] 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”


@Ajibam and ayoku

Was abraham,isaac and jacob reffered to in the passage above dead or alive?

ALIVE !!!

Logicboy03:

Of course.....I used my brain and got to where I am....

It would have been better if you worked with the holy spirit.It is not too late to call on him

Logicboy03:


ALIVE !!!

Thank God even an atheist answered it correctly!! I wonder why protestants think Peter,Mary and other saints are dead when Jesus himself have pronounced them alive

Roman Catholic Bible is Roman Catholic Bible. They made it in the 16th century in 1546 AD at the Council of Trent. And they were confused about the matter such that the majority of the bishops voting could not even support what is today's Roman Catholic Bible. Here is one I made earlier .....
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Interestingly, when the Roman Catholics made their own Bible and declared the Apocrypha of equal status with the recognised OT books they were even confused first about their own preexisting Vulgate. Secondly, during the decision which was as recent as the 16th century i.e. in 1546 at the Council of Trent, many of the Roman Catholics voting did not even agree that the so-called 'Deuterocanonicals' i.e. the Apocrypha should be part of the canonical books.

What a lot of people don't know is how the vote of the Roman Catholic representatives/bishops went, which is as follows:

Those in favour of the eventual Roman Catholic Bible = 24
Those against the eventual Roman Catholic Bible = 15
Those who abstained from voting at all = 16

Please note the significance: of those who voted to decide on the Roman Catholic Bible only 24 supported against 31 who could not support it (out of which 15 were clearly against it)!

Again, this confirms that Roman Catholics are lying anytime they say they had made the canon in the 4th century. In the 16th century when they were making their own canon, even bishops from among them (possibly the majority) did NOT believe the Apocrypha to be canonical. And a clear example is Luther's Roman Catholic antagonist i.e. "Cardinal" Cajetan who in that same 16th century confirmed that Christians did not believe the Apocrypha to be canonical. Many other Roman Catholics of that era and even eras before did not even believe the Apocrypha to be canonical e.g. Erasmus, "pope" Gregory I, Jerome etc.

Another thing, the (majority?) of the Roman Catholics who couldn't support the eventual Roman Catholic Bible at Trent in the 16th century must have been aware that historically Christians had always refused to accept the Apocrypha as canonical or at least as truly or fully canonical. Most of the "church fathers" of that very 4th century did NOT believe the Apocrypha to be canonical. This is particularly true of the "church fathers" who were NOT Roman Catholic and is exemplified by Athanasius whose list even comes before anything the Roman Catholics can produce in that 4th century! The position of other "church fathers" of that era is well known and their own statements on the Apocrypha can easily be produced. Even Roman Catholics of the era of the 4th century like Jerome did NOT believe the Apocrypha to be canonical.

Thanks to the Christians who compiled the Bible even before there was any such thing as either "the Catholic Church" or the Roman Catholic Church, and thanks to other wiser Christians through the ages, Christians (mostly in the West at least) today have a Bible/canon which is essentially the same as Christians in the late 1st century and early second century.

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The catholic hater has arrived....

chukwudi44:

Thank God even an atheist answered it correctly!! I wonder why protestants think Peter,Mary and other saints are dead when Jesus himself have pronounced them alive

1. The deceased are deceased,
unlike friends/ pastors here who are alive.
2. The Bible says not to contact the deceased.
3. The Bible does give examples of asking the non-deceased to
pray.
4. The Bible does not even hint that the dead have omniscience or anything close to it.

I am not dismissing Marys importance, but the facts are clear: She was not a part of the Gospel message. There are no references to her leading people to Jesus, answering prayers, etc.

The dead cannot pray for you.

Mubby4luv: Persin don die finish dey no go allow am RIP. #smh for dey Catholic

Abeg help me tell them

[quote
author=Enigma]Roman Catholic Bible is Roman Catholic
Bible. They made it in the 16th century in 1546 AD at the
Council of Trent. And they were confused about the matter such that the
majority of the bishops voting could not even support what is today's
Roman Catholic Bible. Here is one I made earlier .....
-------------------------------

Interestingly, when the Roman Catholics made their own Bible and
declared the Apocrypha of equal status with the recognised OT books they
were even confused first about their own preexisting Vulgate. Secondly,
during the decision which was as recent as the 16th century i.e. in
1546 at the Council of Trent, many of the Roman Catholics voting did
not even agree that the so-called 'Deuterocanonicals' i.e. the Apocrypha
should be part of the canonical books.

What a lot of people don't know is how the vote of the Roman Catholic
representatives/bishops went, which is as follows:

Those in favour of the eventual Roman Catholic Bible = 24
Those against the eventual Roman Catholic Bible = 15
Those who abstained from voting at all = 16

Please note the significance: of those who voted to decide on the Roman
Catholic Bible only 24 supported against 31 who could not support it
(out of which 15 were clearly against it)!

Again, this confirms that Roman Catholics are lying anytime they
say they had made the canon in the 4th century. In the 16th
century when they were making their own canon, even bishops from among
them (possibly the majority) did NOT believe the Apocrypha to be
canonical. And a clear example is Luther's Roman Catholic antagonist
i.e. "Cardinal" Cajetan who in that same 16th century confirmed that
Christians did not believe the Apocrypha to be canonical. Many
other Roman Catholics of that era and even eras before did not even
believe the Apocrypha to be canonical e.g. Erasmus, "pope" Gregory I,
Jerome etc.

Another thing, the (majority?) of the Roman Catholics who couldn't
support the eventual Roman Catholic Bible at Trent in the 16th century
must have been aware that historically Christians had always refused to
accept the Apocrypha as canonical or at least as truly or fully
canonical. Most of the "church fathers" of that very 4th century did NOT
believe the Apocrypha to be canonical. This is particularly true of the
"church fathers" who were NOT Roman Catholic and is exemplified
by Athanasius whose list even comes before anything the Roman
Catholics can produce in that 4th century! The position of other "church
fathers" of that era is well known and their own statements on the
Apocrypha can easily be produced. Even Roman Catholics of the era of the
4th century like Jerome did NOT believe the Apocrypha to be canonical.

Thanks to the Christians who compiled the Bible even before there
was any such thing as either "the Catholic Church" or the Roman
Catholic Church, and thanks to other wiser Christians through the ages,
Christians (mostly in the West at least) today have a Bible/canon which
is essentially the same as Christians in the late 1st century and early
second century.

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Nice post bro!!

i.chuka:

Nice post bro!!

Thanks jare, my brother. These things are actually matters of fact that can be easily confirmed.

MEILYN:
1. The deceased are deceased,
unlike friends/ pastors here who are alive.
2. The Bible says not to contact the deceased.
3. The Bible does give examples of asking the non-deceased to
pray.
4. The Bible does not even hint that the dead have omniscience or anything close to it.

I am not dismissing Marys importance, but the facts are clear: She was not a part of the Gospel message. There are no references to her leading people to Jesus, answering prayers, etc.

The dead cannot pray for you.

Bros I asked you a question above which you did not answer!! Are Abraham,isaac and Jacob which Jesus mentioned in the gospel passage I posted dead or alive? When you answer this question then we can progress

chukwudi44:

Bros I asked you a question above which you did not answer!! Are Abraham,isaac and Jacob which Jesus mentioned in the gospel passage I posted dead or alive? When you answer this question then we can progress

Bros with all due respect, the answer to your question is irrelevant to the context.

Jesus Christ while here on earth never invoked any saint to intercede on his behalf. He prayed to God directly. He also taught his disciples to pray in a specific way...directly to God.

It was never recorded anywhere that the early Christians invoked the name of Peter, Paul, Mary or any of the other apostles to intercede on their behalf. Where then did this doctrine originate from? Is the catholic church a custodian of some secret body of knowledge outside that taught by Christ? It is recorded that some of these saints rebuked Christians who tried to direct worship at them while they were alive describing themselves as "mere men." They died and went to their rest. Stop invoking familiar spirits in the name of "Saints"

Honor your saints. But stop asking them to intercede on your behalf to God or to Jesus. They do not currently have that ability. Stop deifying mere men. Stop praying prayers that only make you feel good and holy but are largely ineffectual.

Reptyle:

Bros with all due respect, the answer to your question is irrelevant to the context.

Jesus Christ while here on earth never invoked any saint to intercede on his behalf. He prayed to God directly. He also taught his disciples to pray in a specific way...directly to God.

It was never recorded anywhere that the early Christians invoked the name of Peter, Paul, Mary or any of the other apostles to intercede on their behalf. Where then did this doctrine originate from? Is the catholic church a custodian of some secret body of knowledge outside that taught by Christ? It is recorded that some of these saints rebuked Christians who tried to direct worship at them while they were alive describing themselves as "mere men." They died and went to their rest. Stop invoking familiar spirits in the name of "Saints"

Honor your saints. But stop asking them to intercede on your behalf to God or to Jesus. They do not currently have that ability. Stop deifying mere men. Stop praying prayers that only make you feel good and holy but are largely ineffectual.

Bros if you can't answer my questions then I have no business discussing anything with you.


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