Pls what is the significance of the bones of St Peter?


If only we all can practise his teachings about Jesus and the kingdom of God.

and I hope some sets of people won't turn the bones into another idol..

Reptyle:

Bros with all due respect, the answer to your question is irrelevant to the context.

Jesus Christ while here on earth never invoked any saint to intercede on his behalf. He prayed to God directly. He also taught his disciples to pray in a specific way...directly to God.

It was never recorded anywhere that the early Christians invoked the name of Peter, Paul, Mary or any of the other apostles to intercede on their behalf. Where then did this doctrine originate from? Is the catholic church a custodian of some secret body of knowledge outside that taught by Christ? It is recorded that some of these saints rebuked Christians who tried to direct worship at them while they were alive describing themselves as "mere men." They died and went to their rest. Stop invoking familiar spirits in the name of "Saints"

Honor your saints. But stop asking them to intercede on your behalf to God or to Jesus. They do not currently have that ability. Stop deifying mere men. Stop praying prayers that only make you feel good and holy but are largely ineffectual.

moses and elijah comfer with Jesus before His death. wetin u go cal that one

[quote
author=texanomaly]
The Catholic bible is different. I mentioned something to a Catholic
friend of mine once from the KJV of the Bible. She said it was not in
hers. We compared the two. Sure enough the passage was different. Not
just worded differently, but saying the same thing. It had a totally
different meaning. [/quote] can you quote the exact portion of the Scripture?

The catholic are known for their idolatry and occultic practices and they are proudly defending it. I dnt know how they will regain their senses.

The bible is a collection of coverless books, most of which we're authored by unknown persons and no titles to the books. The books included in the so called canon, were the ones that met the agenda and beliefs of the catholic and Protestant churches. Simple.

Now to the topic. How did the Catholic Church know that the bones in their care are really those of St. Peter? Was the first bishop of Rome really the St. Peter of the gospels?

Solozzo: The bible is a collection of coverless books, most of which we're authored by unknown persons and no titles to the books. The books included in the so called canon, were the ones that met the agenda and beliefs of the catholic and Protestant churches. Simple.

Now to the topic. How did the Catholic Church know that the bones in their care are really those of St. Peter? Was the first bishop of Rome really the St. Peter of the gospels?

Am not sure either, I've been thinking about it and it's probably made up. Paul seems more fitting to have been the first catholic church head. apostolic church was headed by Peter until Paul came and started preaching to non-Jews

Pls read Rev. 8:3-4. Sometimes we are too lazy to read the Bible, it's what the pastor says.

when you die, u go knw the truth.

Enigma: ^ It is not even correct to say that the Roman Catholics "compiled" the Bible as my posts above have argued; it is neither correct to say that the first Bible had 73 books. It is in fact a lie.

Bros you expected a living soul to read all those jagons you downloaded from goggle. It is people like you that wrote those things and you copied them here and expected us to believe.

Can u go further and prove every detail you posted beyond any reasonable doubt.

Aww Proudly Catholic.
The bone of Saint Peter to be displayed? That will be nice.
*pregnant with expectation*

ifenadi:


Bros you expected a living soul to read all those jagons you downloaded from goggle. It is people like you that wrote those things and you copied them here and expected us to believe.

Can u go further and prove every detail you posted beyond any reasonable doubt.

Ohh. You wanna take that lad serious? He is good at quoting what does not exist in the link. I tried taking him serious but after going through his links, I was just disappointed. Really a waste of my precious time.

ayoku777:

The dead can't pray for you. Only Christ can pray for you. Not only is He the risen Christ, He is also the ONLY mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.

God bless.

Dont be stup*t ! one with christ can not be a death person. He is alive in heaven.

Too many comments and forgetting the really topic... I laugh...

ifenadi:


Bros you expected a living soul to read all those jagons you downloaded from goggle. It is people like you that wrote those things and you copied them here and expected us to believe.

Can u go further and prove every detail you posted beyond any reasonable doubt.

and where do those ur deluded bethren got theirs from? From their village i guess. Better reason like human being ok. Are they nt doing copy and paste from google too?

^^^ They start saying such nonsense when the truth hits them and they can't refute it.

Roman Catholic apologists can lie ---- but their lies can also be easily blown apart.

ifenadi:
Bros you expected a living soul to read all those jagons you downloaded from goggle. It is people like you that wrote those things and you copied them here and expected us to believe.

Can u go further and prove every detail you posted beyond any reasonable doubt.

Bros, I think I provided at least enough starting evidence for what I said. Maybe you can try to confirm what I said or to disprove them. Let us take a couple of examples.

1. Can you try and confirm how the bishops/representatives voted on the Roman Catholic Bible at the Council of Trent?

2. Can you check whether or not Jerome the "church father" said the following?

Jerome:

"As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine."

3. Can you check whether "pope" Gregory I said the following?

Per "pope" Gregory I or Gregory the Great

Just before referring to the Maccabees, he said

“With reference to which particular we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not Canonical, yet brought out for the edifying of the Church, we bring forward testimony.”

texanomaly:
The Catholic bible is different. I mentioned something to a Catholic friend of mine once from the KJV of the Bible. She said it was not in hers. We compared the two. Sure enough the passage was different. Not just worded differently, but saying the same thing. It had a totally different meaning.

Pls, except u can tell us exactly what book, chapter(s) and verse(s) u and ur friend compared that were both worded differently and had different meanings, u don't need to tell a blatant lie to prove a point.

MEILYN:
1. The deceased are deceased,
unlike friends/ pastors here who are alive.
2. The Bible says not to contact the deceased.
3. The Bible does give examples of asking the non-deceased to
pray.
4. The Bible does not even hint that the dead have omniscience or anything close to it.

I am not dismissing Marys importance, but the facts are clear: She was not a part of the Gospel message. There are no references to her leading people to Jesus, answering prayers, etc.

The dead cannot pray for you.

Mary was the woman who made Jesus start performing miracles before his time. (The wedding at Cana. John 2; 1-11.)Jesus clearly told her it wasn't his time. However, becos she asked He went ahead and performed his first miracle. That's how powerful she is. She can turn things around in your favour. If only you will let her.

Many so called relics of the church have been proven to be fake and forged eg the shroud of Turin believed to be burial cloth of Jesus with his face image imprinted on it. It was proven to have been made in about 14th century by a primitive pinhole camera; the thumb bone of St. Paul; letter from Mary the mother of Jesus writing from heaven.

It was customary in medieval Europe to forge these relics to make money, deify the church, increase membership and awe. There are good grounds in support of the idea that Jesus and his 12 disciples could have been fictional characters concorted by some clever religious men.

The four gospels were selected from a pool of almost 200 to ensure no Gnosticism was allowed in their canon, and those gospels expressing support for more teaching roles for women were expunged eg the gospel of Mary, the female disciple of Christ who had an apocalyptic vision of Christ that made Peter envious and express misogynistic views.

Thus the bible is not a collection of historical writings but theological works composed of wise sayings, myths and philosophical and theological ideologies over the ages that the church finds useful in its mission and agenda- like a library. And this is the right way to understand these bible books and church relics. If they help you in your spiritual life and emotional well being that's good. If you find them weird, spooky, unreal and too mind bugling, you need not bother with them.

The dangers of private listing of scriptures can never be over emphasized!! Marcion was the first person to create a canon in christiandom when he in the second century created is own canon excluding the entire books of the OT,other apostolic writings besides that of paul and edited the gospel of luke to create his own Gospel of marcion.He was subsequently excommunicated by the catholic church for his heretic beleifs.

Other Catholic church fathers like Origen,Athanasius etc later tried to list out books they think should constitute the canon.it is noteworthy to observe that these private lists were contradicting themselves and could not really agree on the canon.This individual canons are not in use by any church in existence today

A church council was subsequently called in hippo to decide the books of the bible in 393CE.it was here that the 73 books of the catholic bible were firtst selected.This decisions were later ratified by the councils of carthage 397CE and 419CE and the council of trent in 1546.This four church councils agreed amongst themselves while private listing of scriptures by differant people contradicted themselves.We can not allow people ro start chosing scriptures as that would amount to anarchy.

The same canon produced @ hippo and carthage in the fourt and fifth centuries is exactly what was adopted @ trent in 1546.

Origen canon see link here

http://www.ntcanon.org/Origen.shtml

Marcion, rejected the entire Old Testament. He accepted the following Christian writings in this order:

Gospel according to Luke

Galatians

I Corinthians

II Corinthians

Romans

I Thessalonians

II Thessalonians

Ephesians (which Marcion called Laodiceans)

Colossians

Philemon

Philippians

but only after pruning and editorial adjustment. In his opinion the 12 apostles misunderstood the teaching of Christ, and, holding him to be the Messiah of the Jewish God, falsified his words from that standpoint. Passages that Marcion could regard only as Judaizing interpolations, that had been smuggled into the text by biased editors, had to be removed so the authentic text of Gospel and Apostle could once again be available. After these changes, the Gospel according to Luke became the Evangelicon, and the 10 Pauline letters, the Apostolikon.

Marcion rejected the following Christian writings:

Gospel according to Matthew

Gospel according to John



Marcion's canon accelerated the process of fixing the Church's canon, which had already begun in the first half of the 2nd century. It was in opposition to Marcion's criticism that the Church first became fully conscious of its inheritance of apostolic writings. According to [Grant] (p. 126): "Marcion forced more orthodox Christians to examine their own presuppositions and to state more clearly what they already believed".

http://www.ntcanon.org/Marcion.shtml

[7] The first council that accepted the present Catholic canon (the Canon of Trent) may have been the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (AD 393); the acts of this council, however, are lost. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419.[8] These councils were under the authority of St. Augustine, who regarded the canon as already closed.[9] Pope Damasus I's Council of Rome in 382, if the Decretum Gelasianum is correctly associated with it, issued a biblical canon identical to that mentioned above,[6] or if not the list is at least a sixth-century compilation.[10] Likewise, Damasus's commissioning of the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible, circa 383, was instrumental in the fixation of the canon in the West.[11] In 405, Pope Innocent I sent a list of the sacred books to a Gallic bishop, Exsuperius of Toulouse. When these bishops and councils spoke on the matter, however, they were not defining something new, but instead "were ratifying what had already become the mind of the church.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon

ayoku777:

Yeah, they are referred to as alive TO GOD. Luke 20v38 -for TO HIM all are alive. Not to us. They are dead to us.

Everyone is alive to God coz he dwells outside of time. So when someone is on earth, he is alive to God and to men, but when he dies and leaves the earth, he is still alive to God but DEAD TO MEN.

So to us on earth, Peter, Paul etc ARE DEAD. And they will remain so to us until the resurrection. So they cant interceed for us. Only Jesus, the risen Christ can.

Tell them bro.

dikenna: Mary was the woman who made Jesus start performing miracles before his time. (The wedding at Cana. John 2; 1-11.)Jesus clearly told her it wasn't his time. However, becos she asked He went ahead and performed his first miracle. That's how powerful she is. She can turn things around in your favour. If only you will let her.

There u go again interpreting the bible to suite ur idea.

ifenadi:


Bros you expected a living soul to read all those jagons you downloaded from goggle. It is people like you that wrote those things and you copied them here and expected us to believe.

Can u go further and prove every detail you posted beyond any reasonable doubt.

Do u expect the SPIRITS to write before u can believe?? At least he has words written by scholars to explain things. Wat do YOU have to defend yourself??

chukwudi44: The dangers of private listing of scriptures can never be over emphasized!! Marcion was the first person to create a canon in christiandom when he in the second century created is own canon excluding the entire books of the OT,other apostolic writings besides that of paul and edited the gospel of luke to create his own Gospel of marcion.He was subsequently excommunicated by the catholic church for his heretic beleifs.

Other Catholic church fathers like Origen,Athanasius etc later tried to list out books they think should constitute the canon.it is noteworthy to observe that these private lists were contradicting themselves and could not really agree on the canon.This individual canons are not in use by any church in existence today

A church council was subsequently called in hippo to decide the books of the bible in 393CE.it was here that the 73 books of the catholic bible were firtst selected.This decisions were later ratified by the councils of carthage 397CE and 419CE and the council of trent in 1546.This four church councils agreed amongst themselves while private listing of scriptures by differant people contradicted themselves.We can not allow people ro start chosing scriptures as that would amount to anarchy.

The same canon produced @ hippo and carthage in the fourt and fifth centuries is exactly what was adopted @ trent in 1546.

Origen canon see link here

http://www.ntcanon.org/Origen.shtml

The compilation of the book of men
Some Christians actually think holy spirit inspired this

Hmmm, Roman Catholics and deliberate lying sha - with the help of their Wikipedia propaganda!

1. The claim about any canon in Damasus' "Council" of 382 is a lie! That is why the Wikipedia entry uses the language "if the Decretum Gelasianum is correctly associated with it." This is because the list based on the Decretum Gelasianum is known to be a forgery produced about 100 to 200 years after 382! A list supposedly prepared in 382 AD refers to events that occurred several years later in 415! Why? Because the forgers made a historical blunder that gave their game away!

2. If Damasus, a whole "pope" and at a "council" for that matter, had established the canon in 382 why would Hippo in 393 and Carthage up to 419 still be establishing a canon let alone Trent in 1546 --- the 16th century?

3. And on the claim about Athanasius' list being "private", here is one I made earlier

Athanasius list "private"! lol lol

Yeah right, something he said was divine, and delivered to the fathers by eyewitnesses from the beginning' that one don become "private".

An extract from that statement of Athanasius I referred to. While identifying and listing the books of "the Bible" in AD 367 (long before anything that the Roman Catholics can claim) he referred to:

"... the divinely inspired Scripture, concerning which we have been fully persuaded, as they who from the beginning were eye-witnesses and ministers of the Word, delivered to the Fathers; it seemed good to me also, having been urged thereto by true brethren, and having learned from the beginning, to set before you the books included in the Canon, and handed down, and accredited as divine ....... "

When it suits them the Roman Catholics claim "tradition". When Athanasius shows the world tradition that exposes Roman Catholic lies, they turn their backs to "tradition".

By the way, here is another one I made earlier!

When Roman Catholics tell lies and use fraudulent arguments, they tend to overlook that it can easily rebound on them.

If a person says the list of canonical books presented by Athanasius is "private", then of course:

- Irenaeus list of "popes" that they even gerrymander ----- is also only a "private" list.

- Eusebius' list of "popes" --- is also only a "private list".

And of course those are in any event contradicted by the lists of Tertullian and Jerome.

And of course none of these lists is said to be divine --- unlike Athanasisus' list of canonical books which is said to be accredited and divine and delivered to the fathers by eyewitnesses from the beginning!

We will regain our senses the day your family members who are in yaba left regain theirs!

Ukuts gp: The catholic are known for their idolatry and occultic practices and they are proudly defending it. I dnt know how they will regain their senses.

Mubby4luv: Persin don die finish dey no go allow am RIP. #smh for dey Catholic

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No go let your neck commot from your head oooo...mugu

Mubby4luv: Persin don die finish dey no go allow am RIP. #smh for dey Catholic

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No go let your neck commot from your head oooo...mugu

peppy luv: We will regain our senses the day your family members who are in yaba left regain theirs!

u dnt know anything. So i will nt waste my time with u. What do u even know about the catholic? Rubbish.

onnairaland: WHAT A FIGHT!!!
What will u say to the Hindu or Moslems who don't believe in Christ Jesus.

Guy, this is nairaland. If u dnt get ur fact right, be sure 2 av @ least someone d@ will put u straight. Wherever did u get d concept d@ muslims dnt blieve in Jesus (P.B.U.H)? Actually, muslim do blieve HE was one of the mightiest prophets of God. We believe He was d messiah(Annointed). We blieve in His miraculous conception and Birth. We believe He healed d leapers and gave life 2 d dead by God's permission. Wat we don't do is to worship Him. We worship the God d@ sent Him.

NB:- maybe u dn't know d@ if a muslim mentions Jesus, he has to say 'Peace Be Upon Him'.

By name, Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was mentioned 23 times in d quran.

So, my distinguish friend, dont commit dat blunder again.