And i am speaking as a yoruba,that only those who accept the ways of Orunmila will enter the kingdom of Orun Alakeji.
If you are of yoruba descent,you better hacken to acceptance of Orunmila in ya life or else. 
Eledumare and Orunmila has signed a pact to this effect.Orunmila is coming down to reestablish the new Oyo Kingdom!Emi lo so be!

All of you in this thread,you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.You are all thoroughly misguided if you think that the kingdom of God belongs to a particular religious faith.Shuo!



Hahahaha!

Heaven is for all, true.

All those that do the will of the father, true.

And what is the will of the father[i], believe in the one whom he hath sent, Jesus.[/i]

Those who claim to be christains and yet say thet there are other ways to the kingdom do not know what it is to be a christian. I dare say, they have not known Jesus. I am saying this as a matter of fact. They might have heard of Him, but they do not know him.

Because to be a christian means you have been born fron death, and have been translated in to the Kingdom of God. It is not a religion. You actually recieve eternal life (the divine nature of almighty God) which was with the father and which was manifested in the son; without which you remain in bondage to sin and death.

Jesus is the very LIFE. For he said, 'I am the life'

He that believeth not is condemned already,

He that hath not the son hath not life,

Believe in the sacrifice that God made of His son to redeem the world, and live!

Ela is coming again. Says Orunmila. Ifa says do good to enter heven.

haha

no 1 leg in , 1 leg out

It is either you are or you are not

on-christians do not go to heaven

You cannot serve 2 masters at a time

remember our God is a jealous God

Repent if you wanna see the kingdom of heaven

or perish in hell

So , the anser is NO

non - christians do not go to heaven

So sayeth the Lord God of Host

Christians Can not go while a Non-Christian will Go to Heaven if he is doing the will of God. because not all that call him father will enter heaven

Depends on whether you accept the authority of the bible, and what u mean by christians. If you mean the present day def'n of christians (churchgoers), then non-christians - non-churchgoers - could possibly go to heaven. But if you mean Christians as used by the bible, i.e. ppl who have accepted JESUS as Lord and Savior, nonchristians - those who haven't accepted Him into their lives- can NOT go to heaven.

This is because Jesus himself made some very bold claims: He said NO ONE can get to God except thru Him. This means that no matter how "good" a person is, if he/she isn't a Christian (biblical) he/she can't go to heaven.

Jesus showed that good works are not enough in the story of the young man who asked how he can have eternal life. The man obeyed all the commandments, yet Jesus required him to sell all he had, give the money to the poor, and follow Him. This shows that a lot of commitment to Jesus is required to go to heaven.

In short, JESUS is the WAY to heaven. Anyone who would come to Him can pass thru' and anyone who won't come to Him can't get to heaven.

With your bible you may not go because BIBLE is just a book. Be informed that muslims and other worshippers of true God will be in heaven while your so called christians will not.

Be informed that the Qur'an is just a book as well, and any Muslim who hears the Gospel of Jesus Christ and rejects it will end up in hell - so says the BIBLE which you call "just a book" -

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not
see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36).

Be informed that both quran and the bible are just books that will not guarantee both chriatians and muslims entry to heaven.Let it be known that the followers of Orunmilla will be in heaven and working in the visa section of the consulate of the kingdom of heavens and sharing visas to both christians and muslims.

And of course, we've all taken it for granted that there's heaven

I haven't bothered to read the last nine pages. However for those that believe in heaven and hell, as long as you are good in this world you will go to your imaginary heaven. Doesn't matter what your religion is. Even the good atheist will go to heaven if there is such a place. For me this is the only world. If there is a God/god, he will have plans for everybody, so you sanctimonious christians can stop kidding yourselves. Start being good and nice to so called non christians and dont force your religion on people

This post smacks of controversy, why is it directed at christians? Is it only christians that believe in a "Heaven"? Don't other religions have some form of afterlife or paradise as well ? This won't end, its like the age old argument between scientists and Christians about the origin of life and the story of creation.

The answer is even staring you right in the face if you can READ and UNDERSTAND. It is directed at Christians- not Pagans,Muslims, Atheists,Scientologists and Ifa followers!

Christians, Can non-christians go to heaven? NO. End of bloody argument. You can't be good by your own standards;there is nothing like 'doing good' and qualifying for heaven (at least not in Christianity!).

Someone should ask Muslims if non-muslims can go to Paradise or ask Scientologists if non-scientologists can make it to where their equivalent of paradise is.

Jesus is the way and light.
He who does not not pass through Him is a thief.
And no thief will go to heaven.
If you don't believe in Christ, that He died,buried and rose.
And accept Him as your Lord and saviour, you aren't going anywhere called heaven.

Non Christians going to heaven? No way!
It may annoy or shock you but it's the bitter truth.
Gospel truth as well.

haha many heavens I didnt know about that, I guess some people on earth are in heaven if they r living larger than life.

@profBills

In john14: Jesus said he is " the Only way" in acts 4:12,no other name by which men shall be saved.and the references are just too many.

But now the multibillion dollar question stands all day long! Can a non-christian who does not believe in Christ go to heaven?  I'm talking about Muslims and other religions like the bahi and judaism. Can a well thinking person answer me without any atom of fanaticism? I need cogent proofs.

hhmmm, not only did Jesus say that He is the Only way into the Kingdom of God, the great heroes of faith in the Bible also attested to the fact that its only through the remission of sins that one can be saved and enter into the Kingdom of God.

As much as God would allow all of mankind to enter into Heaven, everybody cannot be accomodated because:
1) He is Holy, man is sinful. His eyes does not behold sin.
2) Out of His mercy, He has provided a way for man to return unto Him, through the death of Jesus, yet, man still rejects Him. He has been calling ages and ages unto man, but only a few have attended to His call.

Forget the idea of a Non-Christian and the Christian. There are only two kinds of people: Sinners and Saints.

Sinners have surrendered the totality of their lives over to sin, self and the devil,
Saints have surrendered the totality of their lives over to God Almighty.

In the sinner's life, he dictates for himself, his flesh rules, and the world reigns.
For the saint, he/she Obeys God, the Holy Spirit guides his words, thoughts and deeds, He lives for the Father, and God reigns.

The sinners body is the temple of sin, satan and his agents.
The saints body is the temple of the Holy Ghost.

The circumstances of life guide the life of the sinner, while the saint disciplines himself/herself, so that he/she can abide by the dictactes of the Word of God.

The sinner will only be allowed into Heaven if he/she forsakes his/sin, asks God for forgiveness, and becomes a born-again child of God. He will no more be-called a sinner, he will now be called a saint.

- If God would allow the sinner(in his sin) into Heaven, that means the life of righteousness lived by the saint is all in vain.
- If God will allow the sinner(in his sin) into Heaven, that means the death of Christ is in vain.
-If God will allow the sinner(in his sin) into Heaven, that means, God is not Holy, as He says He is, that means the Heaven is not a Holy place, concluding that the word of God is not true. But the good news is that the word of God is true.

So, the answer is No, sinners wont get to Heaven. No sinner has gotten there since the world began, and no sinner will get there.

so @ Kimba , Is a non-christian a sinner ?

@bolex,
hhhmmm. The word "Christian" in the time of Jesus connoted that someone really believed in, and lived according to the dictates of God Almighty, as exemplified by Jesus Himself.

Today, the word "Christian" has been bastardized, brought low to a level whereby, should one profess to be one, you might still have to do a double/triple-check. Today, the profession is more of a paperwork- im not saying there are no genuine Christians. There are, plenty, plenty, Worse is that, many people pick and choose the part of the Bible they feel more comfortable with and say o yes, I'm a Christian.

so Yes, in simple terms, anyone: (all these should be present-tense):
- who hasn't accepted the totality of Jesus Christ(his life, death, ressurection and expection of mankind),
- who hasn't accepted Him as Lord and Savior of his/her life,
- who hasn't at one time or the other genuinely repented of his/her sin, and ask God for forgiveness,
- who isnt living a life characterized by purity of heart, faith in God and Obedience to Gods word,
- who isnt living in the expectation of Jesus' return,

I cant say anyone with the above qualities is a genuine Christian!!

I taught people were voting on this issue and "yes" was the answer

Non Christians going to heaven? No way!
It may annoy or shock you but it's the bitter truth.
Gospel truth as well

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Nonsense! You will not find one place in the Bible where it says all "non-Christians" are going to hell.

You may want to read and study Romans chapters 1-5 (that is 5 chapters not verses!); you may also search where Jesus said "I have other flock , " (can't look up the full reference presently).

Even when He said "I am the Way , no one comes to the Father except by me" ---- that can also apply to "non-Chrstians" as well. He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy.

@enigma

Nonsense! You will not find one place in the Bible where it says all "non-Christians" are going to hell.

the Bible doesnt call someone a Christian/Non-Christian, those words are mans distinguishing factor, but the Bible still says:

Ps 9:17 - The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Kimba

If you look again, you will notice that I used "non-Christians" in deliberate quotes in my last post partly because of your point. In any event, the Bible does not say anyone is going to hell simply because s/he is not a "Christian" the way many people define that term.


PS What exactlt is "hell" anyway?

@enigma,

We cannot fit the words Christian/Non-Christian into the Bible. those are for paper purposes only.

its like this: should anyone profess he/she is a "Christian" or a "non-Christian", or "any-other-qualifier", and such a person lives a life of Sin, Heaven is not the destination of such,

what is hell?
Lu 16:22 - And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Lu 16:23 - And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Lu 16:24 - And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

other descriptions:
Everlasting punishment. - Mt 25:46
Everlasting fire.- Mt 25:41
Everlasting burnings. -Isa 33:14
A furnace of fire. -Mt 13:42,50
A lake of fire.- Re 20:15
Fire and brimstone.- Re 14:10
Unquenchable fire.- Mt 3:12
Devouring fire. -Isa 33:14

Pr 15:24 - The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Personally I feel africans especially Nigerians dwell too much on religion and forget about being good to each other. No matter how much you quote stuff from the bible, dont forget it was written by man, editted by man and done solely for the purpose of morality. Before the white man brought chritianity to Nigeria, are you lot saying all our forefathers are dwelling in a different afterlife. I think not. Guys wake up to being good to each other in this life. If there is a heaven!!!!! All good people will go there irrespective of whether christians or not and the argument shall continue

Bolex,

Yes, a non- christain is as sinner, no matter how good and kind he may seem. Because sin is more than an action. It is a nature, the nature of satan. This nature can only be replaced by faith in the work of christ on the cross for us all.

@Balogun
You saying it right ended here:

Personally I feel africans especially Nigerians dwell too much on religion and forget about being good to each other.

If we all dwelt on that, Africa will be a wonderful place.

But i disagree with you that:

No matter how much you quote stuff from the bible, don't forget it was written by man, editted by man and done solely for the purpose of morality.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Tim 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
2 Peter 1:20-21: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (KJV)"

The Bible is the Inspired Word of God. It is a guide for man to take him to where God wants him to be.

Biblical inspiration is defined as the work of the Holy Spirit by which, without setting aside their personalities and literary or human faculties, God so guided the authors of Scripture as to enable them to write exactly the words which convey His truth to men, and in doing so preserved their judgements from error in the original manuscripts. The Word of God as given to us in the Bible is a product of two free agents, human and divine. Through (fallible) human authors, God manifested the infallible and errorless writings, which convey His messages. A natural question is, why God chooses to have humans write the Bible; couldn't He write the Bible Himself much like what He did in inscribing the Ten Commandments on the tablets? Won't this be an easier way in preserving the accuracy of the Bible, instead of through the hands of fallible men? Although God is sovereign and can do anything by Himself, He chooses to have humans interact in His plan. This is one of the biggest differences between Christianity and other religions; with God reaching down to man, instead of man reaching up to Him. We have seen many examples in the Bible, which God chooses to have human interaction. The creation of the Written Word (Bible), the Living Word (Jesus), and Promised Word (Salvation) all share this characteristic.

The entire Scripture is the inspired word of God because the Bible says so (2 Timothy 3:16). This is probably the strongest argument from a presuppositional point of view. However, most believers would rebuke that the authority of the Bible is what one tries to prove in the first place, so how can one use quotes from the Bible to sustain such a claim. In this case, the fulfillment of prophecies about Jesus, his birth, death and resurrection, proves the accuracy of the Bible and that Jesus is the Son of God, giving Him the authority to claim the inspiration and inerracy of the Bible (Matthew 21:13, Luke 4:27, John 14:24, 16:12,13). Both Jesus and the apostles proclaimed that the Bible is the inspired word of God. It is important to keep in mind that the Scripture is of Divine origin, written through man. Although the authors were free to use their own style and expression in the writing, God superintended so that the final product is inerrant. The entire Scripture is inspired by God, not just partially or in degree. Although most of the Scripture were verbally conveyed to Gods people through the prophets and apostles, only the Autographs are inspired. And because the Bible is inspired, it alone has the final authority

Before the white man brought chritianity to Nigeria, are you lot saying all our forefathers are dwelling in a different afterlife.

No, they were not. God has his way of speaking to people. The Bible wasnt there in the time of Abraham, yet God spoke to Abraham. God guides man by speaking to his conscience, but many people have hardened their conscience, thats why God doesnt speak to them. God will not save anyone by force. You would need to realize that you need to be saved, its like this: a man drowning in water needs to understand that except he agrees to be pulled out of the river, he will drown. In the heart of each man, God instilled knowledge about him. Regardless of ones religion, we know that there is a God. Now, many have chosen not to believe in Him. That is their problem, not God's. They choose not to believe in God, yet they recognize when the wind blows, even though they can't see it.

If there is a heaven!!!!! All good people will go there irrespective of whether christians or not and the argument shall continue

Yes, there is a Heaven. Read your Bible, the verses are too many. Its not enough to be good, be a Child of God and you'll get there. Good works will not take anyone to Heaven. It is wrong if I give money to beggars everyday, yet i steal money in my place of work, thinking that the cash ive given out will cover up for the ones ive stolen. Its possible that people can be naturally good- as a result of their upbringing, or way of life, but with sin in their heart, God frowns on them as much as he does on armed robbers.

You're right, the argument will always continue, because man naturally refuses to believe what he hasnt seen.
* The Bible is a Divine Revelation. In the Bible we find out what God wants mankind to know about Himself and His plan.  The Bible is the only written revelation of God to man.
* No one has ever successfully refuted the Bible. Many mock the Bible but avoid challenging it point by point. No one who has done in-depth research, honestly examining the evidence for the Bible's inspiration and truthfulness, has been able to disprove the Bible.
* History records many who set out to disprove the Bible, who instead became believers.
My brother, regardless of arguments, the Bible is the final authority.
Take it or leave it!!

There we go again. All you christians think you are right and everybody is wrong. There is no point in ever arguing with you lot because you have tunnel vision. You need to have an open mind about things and not believe what everybody has told you. Kimba you need to go out more and do some good to your fellow man. Not preach to them!!

I hope you know that Isa is JESUS CHRIST that the holy Koran described as Messiah. Do good to go to heaven not just a word of mouth

@balogun

There we go again. All you christians think you are right and everybody is wrong. There is no point in ever arguing with you lot because you have tunnel vision. You need to have an open mind about things and not believe what everybody has told you. Kimba you need to go out more and do some good to your fellow man. Not preach to them!!

You know, its a great thing to have tunnel vision as long as its Jesus you are tunneling into.

THere are many who tunneled into one problem or the other after their agreement with Satan.

You need to have an open mind about things and not believe what everybody has told you

You had an open mind, and got informed about NL, thats why you are here. You had an open mind and got informed thats why you profess what you profess.

I have an open mind, got informed about who Jesus was, and thats why im on His side. I went a step further and proved Him to be true. Are you planning to take me out or something, the greatest good that one can do to his fellow man is to show him the truth. In every facet of life(physical, spirutual, material emotional, academic,love, life, you can continue) the truth sets free.

You still haven't told me whether you have done good for your fellow man Kimba. All you are doing is preaching to me! As you can see I am happy for christians to say they will go to heaven, if there is such a place. What I object to is them saying all other religion believers will not go there. That is so unchristian and selfish. I would have thought all christians would be happy for everybody to be in heaven irrespective of their religion or belief. Next thing it will be catholics only that go to heaven or is evangelists or is it baptists, maybe the protestants!! Last post on this subject from me!!!