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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 3:25pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:what makes u think it's apostate punishment that made Islam have follower Laughing |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 3:30pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 3:34pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Guy, ask your Imams to take away the Apostate punishment and give Islam 20yrs. Did you see the mass conversion out of islam when the refugees left Islamic countries to Europe? They knew they could still be murdered by muslims in those countries, but they left Islam anyways, what do you think will happen if they know no one will come for their lives? Trust me on this, if the Apostasy law is removed, the sultan of sokoto with all his household will leave islam. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 3:40pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
[quote author=umarshek6 post=61540507][/quote] I didn't jump any part. However I also see that you are thoroughly biased. How can Muhammed be a spirit? 1. Because Mohammed is dead but it is his teaching now that is the Paraclete? 2. Sorry, demons(jinns), Satan, angels are spirits. They don't need a host do they? 3. Jesus said that His disciples ALREADY knew the Holy Spirit (present tense). Mohammed was born 600 years after 4. The Holy Spirit was already know at that time even your copy-paste text says it. You say its a lie John 14:15-18 15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever — 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him . But you know him , for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. What else can it mean? Jesus disciples already knew the Paraclete 5. Is the Quran now the Paraclete or Mohammed? The Paraclete lives inside Jesu's Disciples not the Mohammed. 1. You said Jesus did not send the Paraclete! Check out: John16:1-15 1. Jesus and Mohammed preached different messages Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" Compare with the teachings of Jesus Luke 6:28 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Mohammed preached his own message 2. Does Mohammed know the Father? Clearly NO! Show me a Hadith where Mohammed mentioned the Father. Maybe you don't realize that God is the God of even trees and Shaitan but Gos is not a Father to them. 1. As explained Mohammed is flesh and blood he is NOT a spirit. Does Mohammed live inside you? 4. I said show me a human being referred to as a spirit from your scriptures or hadiths. You wanted me to read with open mind but your answers show that you don't appreciate the truth. You are willing to bend interpretations of scripture to suit your whims. I gave you several scriptural evidences which you didn't read else your answers would not have been a dogmatic repetition of your dogmas. Mohammed clearly CANNOT be the Paraclete from the reading of the Bible and you know that. Suppose I insist that the Quran says Muslims should kill all christians and you showed me the suras from the Quran and hadith's opposing that, do you think it is right for me to insist that the Qur'an says "kill all Christians"? That is like what you are doing. You cannot reinterpret the clear words of the bible to suit your whims |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 3:43pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107: Of course! It should concern them that Jehovah and Allah seems to be completely different. If they are indeed different, woe betide them(Muslims) |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:18pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:majority of the countries in the world don't use sheria law Nigeria for example constituting of 75% muslims 25% christians and pple are still reverting to islam |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:29pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:if you said it not muhammad(SAW) who fulfilled dat prophecy? you didn't still did not say anything about that last part of the info or are deliberately ignoring it? |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:32pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:You may repost that last part. I saw it as not relevant to the discussion. I you still want me to respond to it no problem. Although my problem is you redressing what is written in black and white stubbornly with no regard for the truth like a mule. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:40pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:.
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:41pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
Without d hearth there's no shaitan ". D body there nothing for d jinn to poses Mind u dey are all diffrent beings they have their own spirit |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:51pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:no need self again just answer who fulfilled d prophecy? And don't tell me holy spirit or just a spirit |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 5:07pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Now i know i'm responding to a nitwit. So Nigeria is 75% muslims? is that what your imams told you? Guy, i'm out. You are not worth the time. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 5:14pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:no its what d census head count in offices banks hospitals not me or my cleric says. BTW Google Is your friend. I'm not surprised you guys normally run away when you Have finish twisting truth and there no way to penetrate again den u flee, starting from the pastor down to dose dat trekking from house to house knocking people's door to preach the gospel which they don't know |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 5:36pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6: According to the Bible Mohammed did not qualify one bit. Jesus spoke about the Holy Spirit who came to the disciples on the day of Penticost. Tell us what the Quran and the Hadiths said and stop reinterpreting the bible to suit your lies. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 5:47pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Its the same way you lie and claim we serve the same God. Jehovah/Yahweh: the name of the God of Moses, Jacob, Abraham, David and Mary Jehovah/Yahweh:the name of the God of Christians Is Jehovah/Yahweh the God of Muslims? NO! There is a serious problem as you want us to believe that Islam is the religion of Moses, Jacob, Abraham, David and Mary. Can't you see you have been scammed!? If Allah Is NOT Jehovah/Yahweh who then is Allah? |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Nobody: 5:50pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6: there is no where it says 75% Muslim. I just searched Google. Even Pew research says it is 52% Muslim and 46% Christian. so stop lying. http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/religious-affiliation-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Religion_in_Nigeria https://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/nigeria-overview You do not have to lie just to win an argument. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 6:07pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Yeah? where is the census report which puts Muslims at 75% in Nigeria? |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:21pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
It was an estimate by I gave to u humans are not perfect |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:23pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:ur fellow brother just posted d link |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:26pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:Allah is d only true deity Take a look at dis it happened 2004
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 6:27pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:I saw it, but She didn't make the claim, you did. Maybe you have a more valid one that hers, so post me a link. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 6:30pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Don't change the subject. Is Jehovah the God of Muslims? |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:45pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:NO for now and it's that of 2010. That was y told u to use Google |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:46pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:Capital NO Do you have any explanation for those pics? I guess the answer is no So until the last hour b4 the truth will b clear to u and I pray that won't be ur fate sir |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 6:51pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:Comparing a discuss on God with pictures? The truth shamelessly eludes you. Is Jehovah the God of Muslims? Its a Yes or No answer No need for explanations |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:56pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
shadeyinka:capital NO I already answered dat |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 7:07pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6:lol. Small pikin. With all the Christians killings in Nigeria, and all the Chadians and Nigerrians in the country,the stats are still 54 to 46. What does that tell you? And, have you asked yourself why the Federal government removed the column for religion during census or when registering for anything national? They know that Christians are more and will expose your lies of more Muslims less Christians. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 7:13pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
Am showing u a sign of Allah First u said am changing topic Den u said am comparing pictures with ur question nd now u jst went silent all of a sudden Mehn u r killing my morraahl |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 7:16pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
analice107:dats a lie U practice. Corruption dat y u get favoured u bribe with everything to the extent u use ur body to preach someone amongst u even told me it's allowed a missonary self
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 7:34pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
Wat da f*ck they all vanished. I geuss.MR. Shadeyinka is in d spirit looking for.more answers I love watching u guyz performing miracles especially d C&S prophets it really amusing Reload well I will check later r take heart
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 10:12pm On Oct 18, 2017 |
umarshek6: For once you are truthful.. you serve an idol and not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. To this end, we have no more reason to converse since you love darkness rather than Light. As Allah has promised you, Hell fire awaits you. Only by the mark of prostration on your heads would you be identified as you would be burnt like charcoal. I am just quoting the Qur'an and Timidhri. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free! If you don't serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob great had been your lies and deception. But as the Qur'an says, Allah is the best of the deceivers. You have been scammed! Case closed! Go over the post exchange with someone a little smarter than you are and maybe the truth will sink into you. I pity your apparent feign of dumbness with regards to intelligent discussions. Here, I terminate my discuss with you. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 12:32am On Oct 19, 2017 |
Let me bring out what u couldn't answer in two day Contradictions in d bible(abt 3 of dem) I gave u an article which I normally do not disclose to to people anyhow which disclosed to you analice and originalkalokalo Z#u read it with sentiment #u didn't touch some part which I knew dat even if gave U 3 days U Will still. pour garbage. Back as questions # u did not tell hu full filed d prophecy And behold u just vanished Who is the Dumb one now Nothing good comes easily No food for a lazy man |
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