analice107:

Why?

Rashduct4luv:


“And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,’ - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) )

But Allah raised him (‘Eesa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise”

[an-Nisa’ 4:157, 158].

That's our belief. No one was there at the place when he was acclaimed crucified.

Originakalokalo:






Lol. Convenient.

All those interpretations in the bracket are not there in your Quran where you quoted.


Pls qoute the original text.

I have a copy too.

Thank you.

Rashduct4luv:


That's the original text according to those the Prophet revealed the message to, his companions! Thanks!

Originakalokalo:



The Bible did not record Moses and David as Messiah.

Your book didn't.

umarshek6:
yes it didn't but dey guided d people

Jesus would save d world twice (he already did first which was preaching the gospel of God to d people nd d second will b killing of d imposter or deceiver dajjal[anti christ])If u don't mind would u open another thread. So I can prove and make u c y. Allah referred to him as dajal or better still dis my numba we can chat on whatsapp to avoid derailing dis thread 09061220741

Originakalokalo:



Jesus will be the one to kill anti Christ?

I thought he was just a MESSANGER?

Why would he meddle in God's business of the end time?

Oh, so he is coming back again?

I see.

Originakalokalo:



Jesus will be the one to kill anti Christ?

I thought he was just a MESSANGER?

Why would he meddle in God's business of the end time?

Oh, so he is coming back again?

I see.

umarshek6:
it's lyk asking what moses and david too saved? I already told u dat saviour a person hu guides or help u. No man dies for another man's sins and it's clearly stated in d. Bible den y will jesus den dies for ur sin make use of ur brains oga

bloodofthelamb:
CHRIST JESUS IS MORE THAN A MAN... HE IS GOD HIMSELF TAKEN THE PLACE OF HIS ENEMY..

Rashduct4luv:


A messenger does whatever he is sent to do. He will come back, live and then die as a Muslim.

Originakalokalo:




Ok . He didn't die before.

But God made it look like it was him that was crucified? According to your holy book?

And he will come back at the end of time to come and live and die again?

I see.

umarshek6:
he is no but than a servant of ALLAH

enilove:

‎

The devil is deceiving you and other christians

I have my reasons , both the physical reasons and spiritual reasons.

Think :[ /quote]
I always think and it is you that obviously do not think

[quote]_____Why is allah so associated with idols.

Why is the name of allah masculine name for allat ( an arab godess).

____ Why do the Muslims Tawarf ?

____Why kissing the black stone which idol worshippers worshiped.


_____ Why running round the Kabaah 7 times as done by the idol worshippers in mecca then.

_____ Why must every worshipper face kabaah when praying

, when God is not living the the kabaah. Unless an idol is inside the kabaah , a house is a house and ahould not be idolized .

enilove:



The devil is deceiving you and other muslims.

Allah is a demon. He is not the God Almighty that created you and the world.

I have my reasons , both the physical reasons and spiritual reasons.

Think :
_____Why is allah so associated with idols. Why is the name of allah masculine name for allat ( an arab godess).

____ Why do the Muslims Tawarf ? This was done by the idol worshippers .

____Why kissing the black stone which idol worshippers worshiped.

_____ Why running round the Kabaah 7 times as done by the idol worshippers in mecca then.

_____ Why must every worshipper face kabaah when praying , when God is not living the the kabaah. Unless an idol is inside the kabaah , a house is a house and ahould not be idolized .

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 710:
Bukhari
Narrated 'Asim:

I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between the...... (2.158)


Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Why do you have to believe everything this pagan nation (Saudi Arabia)is saying without praying to God your Creator so as to know truth about these religions? Why can't you pray?

Everything about Islam is the carryovers of the idolsorshipping of their ancestors which Muhammed mixed up with Biblical names because he knew people identified Christianity with true worship of God. His is the one associating wiith christianity . Christians & Jews will never call such a person believer of God talkless of Prophet. With all his killings , sexual behaviour etc.

Aso note; prophet of God can never be affected by spell.


Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660:

Narrated Aisha:

Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he said, "O 'Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied the is under the effect of magic The first one asked, Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, What material did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied. 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan' '' So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream) Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils." The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out' I said (to the Prophet ) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people."

JESUS IS NOT SERVANT OF allah. allah will be cast into the lake of fire in the last day like Satan ,the head of them all.

That is the truth.

Rashduct4luv:


MAY ALLAH CURE YOU OF YOUR ACUTE IGNORANCE.

Rashduct4luv:


MAY ALLAH CURE YOU OF YOUR ACUTE IGNORANCE.

umarshek6:
can u believe d man is an elderly man and was a muslim B4 according to wat he told me

Rashduct4luv:


If the above is hard for you to believe, how come you believe God could turn in to a man that was born in same way as an animal through a woman's cavity? Allah has power to do all things!

enilove:


You can see you are in the wrong religion. You know am older than you. That tells you that the knowledge I have cannot be compared with yours.

You can keep insulting me, the truth is , it does not matter , it shows what your religion teaches you or simply lack of home training.

enilove:



I reject that , in Jesus name. Allah is not my God.
JEHOVAH is my God.

Reason to what that Islam teaches you. It says ," THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH , MUHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER.

This is diff from there is NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMED IS ONE OF HIS MESSENGERS.

Allah is not God , that is why he could not perform any miracle through Muhammed but kept lying and attaching himself to the God of the Bible.

If allah is the greatest he would not swear by the mountain , stars , moon. But God of the Bible created all these things and everything is under Him and subjected to Him. God of the Bible swears like this:

Genesis 22:16-18 KJV
And said, By MYSELF have I sworn, saith the Lord , for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son : [17] That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jeremiah 22:5-6 KJV
But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord , that this house shall become a desolation. [6] For thus saith the Lord unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.

But a fake god swears like this :
Allah SWT says:

فَلَآ أُقْسِمُ بِمَوٰقِعِ النُّجُومِ
"Then I swear by the setting of the stars,"
(QS. Al-Waaqia: Verse 75)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

For everything, the ORIGINAL always comes before FAKE. The fake would have studied the ORIGINAL and copy it , but somehow one way it can't be like the ORIGINAL. Why did allah wait for over 3000 years when the God of the Bible had been instructing the children of Israel to keep His messages in writing . All the Prophets in the quran are Israelites except muhammed who came 600 years after the Bible had been compiled and distributed world wide. Fake prophet. That was why he could marry his son's wife. He kept moving about with sword and soldiers.
No miracles as sign of the sovereign Power from God.

enilove:



Invariably you are calling yourself an animal , since you came through woman's private part.

An animal would come to life through the animal's vagina not woman's vagina. That is part of what makes them animal.

We were created in the image of God . Animals were not created in the image of God.

Jesus came through his image ( Image of God ) not animal image . Jesus birth is different from any normal human being , which makes him a supernatural being.

Rashduct4luv:


ALLAH KNOWS BEST WHY HE DOES THAT!

umarshek6:
may ALLAH. Cast dust on ur face

umarshek6:
spare me that crap and yours teaches you to call others GOD demon haba haba oga u r old enOugh to knw wat repect for religion is I'm a calm person but. Could become arrogant nd aggressive wen. U spitt shit. Abt my GOD or his. Messengers

umarshek6:
but he was carried in womb for nine months so u don't have a point

Rashduct4luv:
Read with an open mind


A Christian asked: Why do Muslims persist in denying that the Messiah came to redeem us?



Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The doctrine of redemption, and the basis of this doctrine which is their belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was crucified, is one of the basic doctrines of Christianity, so much so that they would gamble the entire religion on this doctrine. The English cardinal Manning says in his book “Eternal Priesthood”: “The importance of this confusing topic is obvious, for if the death of Christ on the cross is not real, then the basis of the church’s doctrine will crumble from its foundations, because if Christ did not die on the cross, then there is no sacrifice, no salvation, and no trinity… Paul, the Apostles and all the churches say that, i.e., if Christ did not die then there was no resurrection either.”

This is what Paul said:

“And if Christ has not been raised, then preaching is useless and so is your faith.”

I Corinthians 15:14 – New International Version (NIV)

Just as they struggle with their belief in trinity and what it means, and how they can reconcile it with the belief in monotheism which is affirmed in the Old Testament (See the question: 12682), and just as they also struggle with everything that has to do with the crucifixion and its details, which is the basis of their belief in redemption which they believe is the reason for the crucifixion (see also no. 12615), we say: as confusion is inevitable for everyone who turns away from the light of revelation that came down from Allaah, similarly they are confused about the doctrine of redemption.

Does redemption mean saving all of mankind, as John says:

“…Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world”

I John 2:1-2 (NIV)?

Or is it only for those who believe and are baptized:

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned”

Mark 16:16 (NIV)?

The one who studies the life and sayings of the Messiah will see clearly that the call of the Messiah was addressed to the Children of Israel, and that throughout his mission he forbade his disciples to call anyone else. So salvation must have been only for them. This is what we see in the story of the Canaanite woman who said to him:

“… ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.’

Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, ‘Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.’

He answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.’

The woman came and knelt before him. ‘Lord, help me!’ she said.

He replied, ‘It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs.’”

Matthew 15:22-26 – NIV

The Messiah did not heal the daughter of the Canaanite woman, although he was able to do so, so how could he redeem all of mankind?

Was this salvation from the “original sin” of Adam only, or does it include all of our sins?

But no one can bear the sin of anyone else, or redeem him with his own self, as Allaah tells us in His Holy Book (interpretation of the meaning):

“And no bearer of burdens shall bear another’s burden; and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin. You (O Muhammad) can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen and perform As‑Salaah (Iqaamat‑as‑Salaah). And he who purifies himself (from all kinds of sins), then he purifies only for the benefit of his ownself. And to Allaah is the (final) Return (of all)”

[Faatir 35:18]

This is what the texts of their Bible also say:

“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him”

Ezekiel 18:20-21-- NIV

There is no inherited sin (“original sin”):

“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

He who hates me hates my Father as well.

If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father”

John 15:22-24 – NIV

When there is sin – whether a person has committed it himself or inherited it from Adam or from another of his forefathers – can this sin not be erased through repentance?

The people of heaven rejoice over the one who repents like the shepherd rejoices when he finds his lost sheep, and the woman rejoices over her lost penny when she finds it, and a father rejoices over his prodigal son when he returns:

“I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.”

Luke 15:7

God promises those who repent that their repentance will be accepted:

“But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.

None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live.”

Ezekiel 18:21-23 – NIV. See also Isaiah 55:7

Putting one's trust in one’s lineage without repenting or doing righteous deeds is a kind of madness; if a person’s deeds slow him down, his lineage will not help him to speed up, as our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said. (Saheeh Muslim, 2699)

John the Baptist (Yahya – peace be upon him) taught you the same things:

“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire”

Matthew 3:7-10 – NIV

Forgiveness of sins through the sinner’s repentance is what befits the kind and merciful God – not sacrifice and crucifixion and the shedding of blood. This is what the Bible says:

“I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners (to repentance)”

Matthew 9:13 – NIV
(the words “to repentance” do not appear in the NIV but are present in the “King James” or “Authorized” translation of the Bible).

Hence Paul says:

“Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.

Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

Romans 4:7-8 – NIV

We believe that if Allaah had commanded some of His slaves to kill themselves in repentance from their sins, that would not be too much for them to do, and that would not contradict His being kind and merciful. He commanded the Children of Israel to do that when they asked to see God directly, but even then no one was to be killed for anyone else, rather a person was to be killed for his own sins, not for the sins of another. That was the heavy burden and fetters that were upon them (cf. al-A’raaf 7:157), from which Allaah has spared this ummah (nation/community).

Another matter that disproves the belief in original sin is the texts which mean that each person is responsible for his own actions, as Allaah says in His holy Book (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whosoever does a righteous good deed, it is for (the benefit of) his own self; and whosoever does evil, it is against his ownself. And your Lord is not at all unjust to (His) slaves”

[Fussilat 41:46]

“Every person is a pledge for what he has earned”

[al-Muddaththir 74:38]

Similarly it says in your Bible:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you”

Matthew 7:1-2 – NIV

“For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done”

Matthew 16:27 – NIV



The Messiah affirmed the importance of righteous deeds, and said to his disciples:

“Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'”

Matthew 7:21-22 – NIV

Similarly, he said:

“The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

Matthew 13:41-42 – NIV

He did not tell them of redemption by which they would be saved from the reckoning.

Those who do righteous deeds are the only ones who will be saved on the Day of Resurrection from the reckoning, whilst those who did evil deeds will be carried off to Hell, with no salvation by the Messiah or by anyone else:

“… for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice

and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned

John 5:28-29 – NIV

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory…

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’”

Matthew 25:31-42 – NIV

The Messiah said to them:

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?”

Matthew 23:33 – NIV

Adolf Hernck noted that the epistles of the Apostles did not include the idea of salvation by redemption, rather they suggested that salvation is attained by good deeds, as it says in the Epistle of James:

“What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

… faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

… faith without deeds is useless (or dead).”

James 2:14 – NIV

And Peter says:

“I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism

but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right”

Acts 10:34-35

There are many similar examples in the words of the Messiah and the disciples.

Allaah the Almighty has spoken the truth (interpretation of the meaning):

“O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At‑Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]. Verily, Allaah is All‑Knowing, All‑Aware”

[al-Hujuraat 49:13]

What is strange is that Paul himself, who abolished this teaching and said that deeds were to no avail, and that salvation is only by faith, affirmed the importance of righteous deeds on other occasions, such as when he said:

“A man reaps what he sows

… Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up”

Galatians 6:7 – NIV

“and each will be rewarded according to his own labour”

I Corinthians 3:8 – NIV

(For more information on this matter see: Dr Mundhir al-Saqqaar: Hal aftadaana al-Maseeh ‘ala al-Saleeb)

So you have no way of resolving this contradiction unless you ignore your common sense and reasoning, and delude yourself with false wishes, as you do in the case of the doctrine of trinity and unity, which is what John R Stott advises you to do in his book Basic Christianity: I do not dare to deal with this subject, before I admit frankly that a great deal of it must remain a hidden mystery… I wonder how our weak minds cannot comprehend it fully, but there will inevitably come a day when the veil will be lifted and all mysteries will be resolved, and we will see the Messiah as he really is!

… How is it possible that God was incarnated in Christ, whilst making Christ a sacrifice for our sin? I cannot answer this, but the Apostle himself places these two truths side by side and I accept the idea completely, just as I accept that Jesus the Nazarene is human and divine in one person… If we cannot resolve this contradiction or solve this mystery, we should accept the truth as proclaimed by Christ and his disciples, that he bore our sins.”

Basic Christianity, p. 110, 121, quoting from Dr Sa’ood al-Khalaf, al-Yahoodiyyah wa’l-Nasraaniyyah, p. 238.

Yes, you and we will see the Messiah as he really is, one of the slaves of Allaah who are close to Him, and one of His Prophets who were sent, on that Day when the veil will be lifted and he will disavow himself of all those who took him as a god besides Allaah, or who attributed to him words that he did not say. At that time there were no mysteries or puzzles:

“And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).

‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).

‘If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily, You, only You, are the All‑Mighty, the All‑Wise.’

Allaah will say: ‘This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) — they shall abide therein forever. Allaah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).

To Allaah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things

[al-Maa’idah 5:116-120]

Will you think about it before it is too late?

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allaah (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allaah.’ Then, if they turn away, say: ‘Bear witness that we are Muslims’”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:64].

May Allaah guide us to the truth!

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Rashduct4luv:


I understand u. Can you give a verse that supports your assertion above? We believe Allah, the one and only God is able to do all things. I don't think this is a thread for 72 virgins, you can open another thread and i will school you on that. Jesus will still descend again to live and then die as a Muslim.

umarshek6:
u don mean it

Originakalokalo:


You said sin is not inherited from Adam....



Who taught our children how to hold grudges/ malice?


When they were toddlers, they were free. Forgiving. You beat them, they come back to you.

Later, without . anybody telling them anything, they start holding grudges.

Parents sat them down and taught them?

analice107:

Don't worry, Seun will not lock the thread. If it's against Islam, then he be called and threatened, he will run scared and close it down, but this is about Christianity, it'll stay.

Let it even stay let's see their folly.

Be quiet there! does the thread explicitly insults or try demonizing anyone or their beliefs.

How many xtain threads created about Islam are this cultured

umarshek6:
it's lyk asking what moses and david too saved? I already told u dat saviour a person hu guides or help u. No man dies for another man's sins and it's clearly stated in d. Bible den y will jesus den dies for ur sin make use of ur brains oga