Rashduct4luv:


I understand u. Can you give a verse that supports your assertion above? We believe Allah, the one and only God is able to do all things. I don't think this is a thread for 72 virgins, you can open another thread and i will school you on that. Jesus will still descend again to live and then die as a Muslim.

analice107:

O dear, a man who doesn't know why allah stole Jesus from the cross and deceived the Jews to think that it was Jesus they crucified, is about to school me on the koran.

Okay, let's begin with you schooling me on why allah replaced Jesus. Why?

ilynem:
Sister, sister, no Muslim can answer that question. Give up

tartar9:

Be quiet there! does the thread explicitly insults or try demonizing anyone or their beliefs.

How many xtain threads created about Islam are this cultured

ilynem:

[s]I stopped reading at "The Messiah did not heal the Canaanite woman". Where did you get this rubbish from? Do you know the Qur'an is the only document that denies the death of Jesus? And it was written over 600 years after Jesus. And do you know why momo your prophet denies it? Because if Jesus died, then there is salvation and Christianity is true. But momo knew denying it plainly will only make him look foolish due to mountains of evidence of Jesus death, so what did he do? He claimed Allah made it look like Jesus died so he could hide behind the evidence. This is very foolish, you know why?
Because the Christian faith is based on the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus. So Allah making people think Jesus died actually started the Christian faith. Because people beloved Jesus died and resurrected because Allah made them believe so. So you want to know why there are many Christians today? Blame your god Allah.
And then he waited 600 years to send a prophet to correct his own error[/s].

tartar9:


Quit exposing your ignorance,there exists not a single historical source which documented the supposed crucifixion of Jesus,no historian sees the gospels-which are all of dubious origins-as an authoritative source.The main reason they could give some credence to the crucifixion story is based on the secondary grounds that xtians wouldn't have invented such shameful death of their most important figure.
Morever,there existed gnostic xtians and some gospel works existing before the revelation of of the Qur'an whose accounts of the crucifixion aligns closely with the Islamic idea.That claim of yours that the crucifixion denial is unique only to Islam is also false.

All in all the supposed crucifixion of Jesus has ZERO significance to Islamic doctrines.The crucifixion denial verse was even revealed in relation to some Jews who were boasting about his death.

analice107:

Yeahhhhhhhh, where has my brother been? I so missed you. Welcome.

ilynem:
Been a bit busy dear. I missed u too. Hope you are good?

enilove:



Since your god called muhammed , what has the world gained. EVILS like killings of millions of people world wide calling it Jihad.

If allah is God let him kill by himself.


If you want to become arrogant and aggressive know your level . Unless you have been arrogant and aggressive to your parents. Which will be too bad for you.

umarshek6:
MY parent don't spit crap unlike you

And learn how to talk it not everything that come into your mind becoz u might go to where d majority are muslims and spit crap then get killed and dats 2_0

enilove:


Allah cannot cast dust on my face. He doesn't have the power.

Next time you abuse or curse me , I will send your curses back to your father. So learn to behave. If you dont have any intelligent words to counter what I have written , which are from your books, you better just keep mute.

This is the final warning to you.

Originakalokalo:



When the majority are Christians, you don't get killed.

But when they are Muslims, you get killed.

I hope you know the meaning of that?

A religion of death.

You have chosen a path.

Walk it.

enilove:



Being carried in the womb does not make human beings equal to animals. Were are still created in the image of God.

It is mysterious and supernatural to be carried in the womb for 9 months by a VIRGIN.


Here is a scripture written about 2,000 yrs before Jesus birth, testitying to the coming of the Saviour , messiah ,Christ. :

Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Rashduct4luv:
Read with an open mind


A Christian asked: Why do Muslims persist in denying that the Messiah came to redeem us?



Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The doctrine of redemption, and the basis of this doctrine which is their belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was crucified, is one of the basic doctrines of Christianity, so much so that they would gamble the entire religion on this doctrine. The English cardinal Manning says in his book “Eternal Priesthood”: “The importance of this confusing topic is obvious, for if the death of Christ on the cross is not real, then the basis of the church’s doctrine will crumble from its foundations, because if Christ did not die on the cross, then there is no sacrifice, no salvation, and no trinity… Paul, the Apostles and all the churches say that, i.e., if Christ did not die then there was no resurrection either.”

This is what Paul said:

“And if Christ has not been raised, then preaching is useless and so is your faith.”

I Corinthians 15:14 – New International Version (NIV)

Just as they struggle with their belief in trinity and what it means, and how they can reconcile it with the belief in monotheism which is affirmed in the Old Testament (See the question: 12682), and just as they also struggle with everything that has to do with the crucifixion and its details, which is the basis of their belief in redemption which they believe is the reason for the crucifixion (see also no. 12615), we say: as confusion is inevitable for everyone who turns away from the light of revelation that came down from Allaah, similarly they are confused about the doctrine of redemption.
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https://islamqa.info/en/42573

umarshek6:
that you associate him and his mother with GOD?

shadeyinka:


Aren't you not confused about Trinity?
Why repeat the error of the Quran when you know that the Christian's Trinity consist of

-The Father
-The Son (Jesus)
-The Holy Spirit (NOT Jubril..another confusion in Islam)

If you need understanding, ASK!
Quran10:94-95 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers .

Does Islam not believe in Duality?

umarshek6:
duality of wat

U r d one in confusion
Jesus didn't worship with the concept of trinity or. Did he?
Some even go. As far as associating his mother summing upto 4 different gods


U said no muslim know. Y we celebrate eid il kabir (adha) every year dats not true. Next tym you say you don't knw y. maybe u just read d part. U think is important to you. In the Quran

Originakalokalo:


John 3 vs 16.

For God so love the WORLD. that he gave his Only begothen Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Salvation is not for the Jews alone. It's for the world.


Jesus was not sent as a MESSANGER to the gentiles. He was sent to Israel. But his work of salvation is for everyone. Gentiles heard his words anyway and believed.

When he prayed for his disciples, he said..... I don't only pray for these but also to those that shall believe on me thru their word.(Assignment. Go and look for where it is in the Bible)

John 12 vs 20-30.... Greeks came to the feast of passover...they wanted to see Jesus..

Jesus prayed and said.Father glorify your name and a voice came from heaven. I have, and I will glory it again. And they all heard it.

Jesus said. This voice did not come for me. But for you sakes that you may believe. It means they Greek heard it too..

He sent Paul to gentiles.
He told Peter to preach to Cornelius, a gentiles.

iamgenius:
A voice from Heaven? Not even God's voice. Remember,it's not God alone who is in heaven.

shadeyinka:


Aren't you not confused about Trinity?
Why repeat the error of the Quran when you know that the Christian's Trinity consist of

-The Father
-The Son (Jesus)
-The Holy Spirit (NOT Jubril..another confusion in Islam)

If you need understanding, ASK!
Quran10:94-95 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers .

Does Islam not believe in Duality?

ilynem:

This means he will be the final prophet ya? And not momo?

iamgenius:
A voice from Heaven? Not even God's voice. Remember,it's not God alone who is in heaven.

analice107:

O dear, a man who doesn't know why allah stole Jesus from the cross and deceived the Jews to think that it was Jesus they crucified, is about to school me on the koran.

Okay, let's begin with you schooling me on why allah replaced Jesus. Why?

shadeyinka:


It was the Fathers Voice
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"

At least it wasn't like Mohammed who didn't even know the identity of the spirit who spoke to him. It took a combination of Kadijah and Waraqa to convince him that it was Jubril. If a spirit actually spoke to Mohammed, it must be a demon.

If I lie, show me anyone else in the Taurat, Zabura, Injeel or any other scripture where an angel almost strangled the messanger or where a slight resemblance of this kind of Mohammed's encounter took place and I will apologize and henceforth take Islam more seriously. Jubril did not even introduce himself anywhere or did he?

ilynem:

I stopped reading at "The Messiah did not heal the Canaanite woman". Where did you get this rubbish from? Do you know the Qur'an is the only document that denies the death of Jesus? And it was written over 600 years after Jesus. And do you know why momo your prophet denies it? Because if Jesus died, then there is salvation and Christianity is true. But momo knew denying it plainly will only make him look foolish due to mountains of evidence of Jesus death, so what did he do? He claimed Allah made it look like Jesus died so he could hide behind the evidence. This is very foolish, you know why?
Because the Christian faith is based on the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus. So Allah making people think Jesus died actually started the Christian faith. Because people beloved Jesus died and resurrected because Allah made them believe so. So you want to know why there are many Christians today? Blame your god Allah.
And then he waited 600 years to send a prophet to correct his own error.

analice107:

You mean allah didn't tell you people why he stole Jesus from the cross and replaced him with a look alike?

iamgenius:
Since the Prophet (peace be upon him) can't read or write, Allah ask him to ask and confirms from the Jews and the Christians that his name was written in their books, yet they (Christians and Jews) still didn't believe in him as the messenger if God. Next time do your research well before talking gibberish.

shadeyinka:


Aren't you not confused about Trinity?
Why repeat the error of the Quran when you know that the Christian's Trinity consist of

-The Father
-The Son (Jesus)
-The Holy Spirit (NOT Jubril..another confusion in Islam)

If you need understanding, ASK!
Quran10:94-95 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers .

Does Islam not believe in Duality?

enilove:



Invariably you are calling yourself an animal , since you came through woman's private part.

An animal would come to life through the animal's vagina not woman's vagina. That is part of what makes them animal.

We were created in the image of God . Animals were not created in the image of God.

Jesus came through his image ( Image of God ) not animal image . Jesus birth is different from any normal human being , which makes him a supernatural being.

We are complex animals with complex brain!

If Jesus is supernatural then what is Adam? Eve?

What does image of God look like?

shadeyinka:


Why do you tell obvious lies
Quran10:94-95
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers .


....that which we reveal to thee...
Is the Message of Islam NOT Mohammed's name.


Secondly, don't gloss over my post

Is the Quran not in error by insinuating that trinity is God, Jesus and Mary?

Rashduct4luv:


The Prophethood has been complete and Muhammad is the Last of them. 'Eesa is not a new Prophet, he is coming back to complete his mission!

Peace be on them all.

enilove:



I reject that , in Jesus name. Allah is not my God.
JEHOVAH is my God.

Reason to what that Islam teaches you. It says ," THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH , MUHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER.

This is diff from there is NO OTHER GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMED IS ONE OF HIS MESSENGERS.

Allah is not God , that is why he could not perform any miracle through Muhammed but kept lying and attaching himself to the God of the Bible.

If allah is the greatest he would not swear by the mountain , stars , moon. But God of the Bible created all these things and everything is under Him and subjected to Him. God of the Bible swears like this:

Genesis 22:16-18 KJV
And said, By MYSELF have I sworn, saith the Lord , for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son : [17] That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jeremiah 22:5-6 KJV
But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord , that this house shall become a desolation. [6] For thus saith the Lord unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.

But a fake god swears like this :
Allah SWT says:

فَلَآ أُقْسِمُ بِمَوٰقِعِ النُّجُومِ
"Then I swear by the setting of the stars,"
(QS. Al-Waaqia: Verse 75)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

For everything, the ORIGINAL always comes before FAKE. The fake would have studied the ORIGINAL and copy it , but somehow one way it can't be like the ORIGINAL. Why did allah wait for over 3000 years when the God of the Bible had been instructing the children of Israel to keep His messages in writing . All the Prophets in the quran are Israelites except muhammed who came 600 years after the Bible had been compiled and distributed world wide. Fake prophet. That was why he could marry his son's wife. He kept moving about with sword and soldiers.
No miracles as sign of the sovereign Power from God.

shadeyinka:

Duality of the Human being!
We Christians believe in the Trinity of Human Beings

Jesus didn't have to worship? He needed to converse with His Father....and how could He since He is part of the Trinity of God

I don't know where you got the concept of 4 different gods. Even the catholics who regard Mary so highly do not treat her as a god. Pls do answer this question
So, which of the christian sects or denominations have three gods and what are their names?
And pls a small proof of some christian sects/denominations who has 4 gods (except you are speaking lies in defence of Islam..google is your friend)

Like I said, if you don't understand, ASK...! What is Trinity?

So, since I am not a Muslim, you may want to enlighten me:
What is the "Spiritual Value" (not moral value) of the Blood Sacrifice you do in Eid il kabir?