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| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:26am On Oct 15, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Dont you think that The original form must have existed at the time of prophet Mohammed. Was that not why Allah asked him to consult with the people of the books. Did not Mohammed pronounce judgement on a Jewish woman caught in adultery during his time? Original form for which you don't even have a fragment. You defend a lie by denying the truth Me too: I believe in the Original Naira from central Bank of Nigeria. All the money in circulation now are FAKE! How reasonable is the bolded statement. I believe the original Naira has the picture of my grandfather on it! Can you judge how reasonable your statement is? Rashduct4luv:How many people in history are called " word of God"? How many people in history are called "Spirit of God"? For you to see how you twist scriptures to suit your whims, when you saw " Prophet of God", why didn't you say "we are all prophets of God"? Is there not a difference between been "strengthened with something" and being that "something"? Continue to deceive yourself! Rashduct4luv:The three daughters: you must know them Allat, al-Uzza and Manat. You remember the satanic verses Muhammad one night had a revelation found in surah53:19-22 which originally read and deduced as, "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other; whose intercession (as muhammad prostrated along with other muslims,pagans and “jinns” after reciting the verse,{sahih 6,60,385}) is approved." I wasn't the one that wrote this o! Rashduct4luv: At least we have evidence to how Elijah went to heaven. We even know his mode of transport ( chariot of fire) Since Elijah is not in the Quran, leave it for Christians to debate. However, about Jesus both the Qur'an and Bible contradicts each other. Rashduct4luv: This is actually a confirmation that one of the two religions (Christianity or Islam) is the way of Hell designed to take a person away from the truth. How can we know which is the Truth? Through Blind Faith?! NO! But through rigorous cross examination of testimonies. Is that not why we have the court of law?: to determine who is telling the truth and who tells the lie. Questions for you please. 1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians? 2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person? 3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he? 4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus? 5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion? 6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist. 7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why? 8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark naked in the public square) 9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples. 10. A better story for Christians should have been: "Shame on You Jews and Romans. You wanted to kill Jesus, but God took Him away...you crucified a dummy". Why didn't Christians go through that escape route. 11. Why did it take almost 600 years after the event that Allah now have to correct an error he himself produced and proper gated? 12. Could it be that Mary and John were part of the conspiracy with Allah? Did they come to the cross to witness " the salvation of allah"? 13. What was the sin of the man who replaced Jesus on the cross? Or was he an innocent bystander? 14. For one to up-turn an earlier history, don't you think that your evidence should be overwhelming? In this case, which of the two evidences are overwhelming? I hope you will give intelligent answers to these question that every seeker of the truth can judge as " sound". If you love the truth, you will not hide under blind faith but reason over available evidence. If you cannot answer convincingly these questions except by repeating "two legs good, four legs bad", you have been successfully deceived....indeed Allah is the best of the deceivers. It is only a Stubbon Fly who follows the corpse into the grave. I pray that you will be humble enough to desire the truth. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:46am On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6: Oh, its a bridge! But I quoted Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577)... Tell me you don't agree with Imam Buhari and all his hadith's! 1. Take them out cannot be a bridge: it is hell fire consistent with the Quran 2. Who are those people? Muslims! The angels will know them by the mark of prostration on their heads Do Christians have mark of prostration on their heads? 3. Muslims would have burnt like coal only the mark of their heads will be saved as a means of identification by the angels. Can't you see that Imam Buhari speaks in agreement with the Qur'an. You are going to Hell fire! God has paid the penalty for your sin nature and you don't have ti go to hell fire. It is Gods solution, a free gift of God. Muslims will go to Hell according to the Qur'an and this is backed by an authentic Hadith. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:49am On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6: Oh, its a bridge! If it is a bridge, the bridge must be inside hell fire But I quoted Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577 )... Tell me you don't agree with Imam Buhari and all his hadith's! 1. Take them out cannot be a bridge: it is hell fire consistent with the Quran 2. Who are those people? Muslims! The angels will know them by the mark of prostration on their heads Do Christians have mark of prostration on their heads? 3. Muslims would have burnt like coal only the mark of their heads will be saved as a means of identification by the angels. Can't you see that Imam Buhari speaks in agreement with the Qur'an. You are going to Hell fire! God has paid the penalty for your sin nature and you don't have ti go to hell fire. It is Gods solution, a free gift of God. Muslims will go to Hell according to the Qur'an and this is backed by an authentic Hadith. When you know the truth, you shall be set free |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:06am On Oct 15, 2017 |
shadeyinka:u brainwashed zombie D ones who fall of d bridge since u knw where u r going why do hide in coffin some. Self dey put money inside coffin u think coffin go protect u abi u go fit bribe dat. Note d woman bellow died laughing nd she was a muslim if to na christian una go start worship her so go jump for fire
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| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by plainbibletruth: 7:04am On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6: It's funy and laughable that Moslems who have thoroughly brainwashed themselves will be the ones calling others brainwashed. You people major in ABSURDITIES. As a result you fail to see the glaring INCONSISTENCIES in your book and religion. If one points out something wrong instead of looking to see if it's so the next thing you do is resort to DEFLECTION. A case in point: Does it make sense for Allah to tell Mohamed to the books of the Jews and Christians if those books were either corrupted or lost? But instead of settling down to reason it you guys immediate take it as an offence and choose the path of hitting back at your perceived opposition. What a way to seek the truth! |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 8:47am On Oct 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:u don mean it  Ur abode is jahanam take it or live it jesus will deny u dat day is even in ur bible dats if u have not erased it of d scripture If u die a muslim without committing shrik ur abode jannah Untill dat day |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 8:55am On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6:Obviously, the truth is very bitter. I have given you proofs from the Quran and a Hadith that is well respected. You will note that those who got burned in hell fire were Muslims who are devoted Moslems. Immam Buhari did not speak of any bridge except if the bridge is INSIDE hell fire itself. The Qur'an says "all of you Muslims" will pass through he'll fire.....but LATER,(may be 20 million years after) you will be pardoned. Sorry for you. Read both your Quran and supporting hadith's. I haven't insulted you back o! |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:10am On Oct 15, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:bcoz dey weren't coruppted at dat tym dummy |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:12am On Oct 15, 2017 |
shadeyinka:e pain am Dat hadith dose not explain dat verse well I don't expect u to knw dat. Jesus is not God Go hide for u coffin |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 9:24am On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6:Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “What will happen in my nation is the same as what has happened to the children of Israel. They will be followed step by step such that if one of them openly fornicated with his mother, then someone from my nation would do it. Verily, the children of Israel were split into seventy two sects and my nation will split into seventy three sects, all of them are in the Hellfire except one.” They said, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “Those who follow my way and my companions.” Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2641 Less than 1.34% of Muslims will finally make it into Paradise! Abi, Na me be Al.Tirmidhi? |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:53am On Oct 15, 2017 |
shadeyinka:strtin from.tb Joshua,chris and all d pastors wey dey dis world join together no get knowledge reach Imam tirmidhi yes at. First hand to paradise the remaining will den b. Put to hell and some will later be pardoned if dey didn't commit shrik |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 1:58pm On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6:Are you now agreeing with the Qur'an and hadith's that you will first spend a few years in hell fire? My point is that you don't have to enter fire first. If you enter hell and you now discover that it is impossible to come out of it , what becomes of you? The free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus 1 Like |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by plainbibletruth: 1:58pm On Oct 15, 2017 |
umarshek6:Let's see who the self-deceived is: Answer this: Did Allah ever state in the quran that those books were corrupted; if so, where EXACTLY in the quran? |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by 3slleeq: 12:06pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
"CHRIST" NOT A NAME Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce "a thousand and one" prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the "thousand" prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews. We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed." The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ. Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1). We are reminded in the Gospel of St. Luke that "WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB." (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof! MIRACLE AS PROOF Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews - the Scribes and Pharisees - came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE". (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some "magic trick," some "sleight of hand" like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of "sign" or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan. NO "SIGN" BUT ONE With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." (Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, "NO SIGN." He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the "woman with issues" who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal "a man possessed;" or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. 'No sign," says Jesus, BUT ONE! - "THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAH" He is putting all his "eggs" in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls by the ONLY "sign" he was prepared to give. Did Jesus fulfil the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice - 'not to take things for granted.' –but "PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) JONAH FLEES HIS CALL What was the "sign" (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the "Book of Jonah" in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their "evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands." (Jonah 3:  But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Nineveh, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord's command. While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master's command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, "COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, "head" or "tail" THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH." (Jonah 1:7) Though there was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most courageously volunteers: "AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU." (Jonah 1:12)DEAD OR ALIVE? Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a "vicarious" sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: "TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH." The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or[b] alive[/b]? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!" The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE." Was he dead or[b] alive [/b]when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY?" (Jonah 2:1) Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE." For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ..... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" "soos Jonah" - "njenga Jonah" – LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive [/b]for three days and three nights? [b]Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim! UNLIKE JONAH If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the "death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST." THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS? The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R [/b]times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT [b]'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OFCOURSE!" PUBLIC HOLIDAY The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - "Gooi-Vrydag" – as a Public Holiday in the Republic of South Africa? And every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire have a Public Holiday on the "FRIDAY" [/b]at Easter. What makes [b]"Good Friday" so good? "It is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 1950 years ago? "YES!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then despatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulchre before night-fall. WHY "SUPPOSED"? There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples" [/b]to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word [b]'SUPPOSED' three times. In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE niqhts in the tomb: [img][/img] You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three [/b]days and [b]three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD [/b]for the same period of time as Jonah was - [b]ALIVE. SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfil the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result – THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty. The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history? |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 12:16pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
shadeyinka:I didn't comitt shrik so I will b among d pple dat won't percive d poisinous smoke of hell InnshaAllah |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 12:24pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth: by mere reasoning nd comparing the old nd new testament It doesn't have to be stated |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 12:28pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
shadeyinka:
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| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:40pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: Quran 19:70-72 'Then verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein. There is not one of you but will pass through it (hell). This is what your Lord has Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who used to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the wrongdoers therein humbled to their knees in Hell' All of you Muslims: will pas through Hell Oh, I forgot: the Qur'an cannot be translated into English language! |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:40pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: Quran 19:70-72 'Then verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein. There is not one of you but will pass through it (hell). This is what your Lord has Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who used to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the wrongdoers therein humbled to their knees in Hell' All of you Muslims: will pass through Hell Oh, I forgot: the Qur'an cannot be translated into English language! |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:41pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
[quote author=umarshek6 post=61472294][/quote] Was that you I just saw? |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 4:47pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
shadeyinka:
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| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 5:06pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
[quote author=umarshek6 post=61480712][/quote] May you receive Gods help for salvation in Jesus Name. But please answer these questions below: You seem to be avoiding them Questions for you please. 1. Would you say Allah deceived the Jews and the Romans? If Yes, why do you think Allah also deceived Mary, the Disciples and all Christians? 2. Historically, someone was crucified as Jesus Christ. The Bible says that the Person was Jesus but Islam says it was someone else. Can you please tell us the identity of the person? 3. This person on the cross spoke to Mary (His Mother) and John (His Disciple). He actually called Mary "Mother" and handed Mary over to John. If it wasn't Jesus, who was he? 4. The disciples of Jesus saw Jesus after the resurrection and because of that, they were not Afraid any more. Who did they see after resurrection (or did Allah complete their deception by showing them another Jesus? 5. The disciples numbering up to 500 saw Jesus being taken up to heaven in their presence. Islam agree he was taken to heaven but can you please tell us one witness of this assertion? 6. All the disciples except John died violent deaths (eg. Peter was crucified up side down). Why do you think the disciples were willing to die gruesome deaths over what doesn't exist. 7. And Jesus didn't tell any of His disciples that someone else who looked like Him would be crucified in His stead: Why? 8. Why would the disciples lie about Jesus crucification? What do they stand to gain (forget about the drawings you see, a person is crucified stark naked in the public square) 9. Jesus told his disciples about his death and resurrection well before hand. Why would someone now replace Him and He didn't even tell any of His disciples. 10. A better story for Christians should have been: "Shame on You Jews and Romans. You wanted to kill Jesus, but God took Him away...you crucified a dummy". Why didn't Christians go through that escape route. 11. Why did it take almost 600 years after the event that Allah now have to correct an error he himself produced and proper gated? 12. Could it be that Mary and John were part of the conspiracy with Allah? Did they come to the cross to witness " the salvation of allah"? 13. What was the sin of the man who replaced Jesus on the cross? Or was he an innocent bystander? 14. For one to up-turn an earlier history, don't you think that your evidence should be overwhelming? In this case, which of the two evidences are overwhelming? They are simple for People of Truth and Light |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by spongeisback: 5:11pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
See them arguing about the gods that was used to enslave them...tufiakwa for Africans.  |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 5:23pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
shadeyinka:your answers are in barnabas gospel if it still exist Or y do u think d white men hid it from u |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 5:26pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
spongeisback:for ur mind now
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| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by plainbibletruth: 7:22pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: Congratulate yourself for "merely reasoning" very well. History is filled with DEAD OPTIONS. Jesus is the ONLY LIVING option. It's then either Jesus or NOTHING. If anyone has God's stamp of approval it's the ONE who rose from the dead. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 7:31pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: So Barnabas gospel is your Injeel. The book that was given to Jesus!? Shame on you. How old is the oldest/original Barnabas gospel? Since you don't know history: no book of the Bible was written in Italian or Spanish. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 8:25pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
shadeyinka:can u answer dis in one or two sentence den we r done here CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION: None of Jesus disciples witnessed his death..they all forsook him and fled (MARK 14:50)...JESUS came to preach oneness of God not TRINITY or die for sins (MARK 1:38. AND JOHN 17:4).....The question is: If none of the disciples witnessed his death... How did they know about the full story??.... Moreover JESUS was unwilling to die ..(Check John10:39..Luke 22:36..Luke 4:43..Matthew 26:22 ..Matt 26: 36-39and so on)...Also After JESUS found out he was going to be killed, the bible says he dint walk among the jews anymore. Then he told his disciples to buy swords for fighting to save his life (LUKE 22:38) THE QUESTION IS IF HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HUMANS SINS...WHY DIDNT HE LET HIMSELF BE CAPTURED.??..WHY DID HE ORDER HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY SWORDS ? How many days will u b needing to. Present d answers? |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by plainbibletruth: 8:58pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: The verse you quoted referred to what happened at the garden of Gethsemane. This was before his trials and before he was taken to be crucified. At the crucifixion the disciples WERE THERE. "Now some women also were watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and of Joses, and Salome." MARK 15:40 AMP "And all His acquaintances and the women who had accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, watching these things." LUKE 23:49 AMP "So the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, His mother’s sister [ Salome], Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." JOHN 19:25 AMP An objective approach clarifies things making them PLAIN. The same applies to your other points. You may simply have copied this from somewhere. If you took time to look well into the Bible you'd have seen that there is simply no issues like you're trying to manufacture. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:22pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:. Y did dat paticular verse said none Nd. Now u are saying three D people were watching frm. Distance. U said it ur self I don't read lies And lastly I did not refer d question to u . |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by plainbibletruth: 10:23pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
umarshek6: Is this an OPEN FORUM or a closed one? That your last statement is childish to say the least. If you're not ready to learn that's your cup of tea. Others are reading the posts; I hope you know that. If you don't want to be objective others may be. |
| Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:22am On Oct 17, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:u didn't c dat I quoted someone And if I want to learn it wouldn't b frm u If it were to b a general question I would have just posted it without quoting him |
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