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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 8:50pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107: That is the SPIRIT. More grace. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 8:51pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:The Lord knows the ones that are His, even though they are tricked into the camp of satan, they'll still come out. Thank you Lord, for keeping this soul from damnation of hell. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 8:59pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:Sir, it's just a question o |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 9:00pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:Thanks be to God for His grace. I actually counted the cost. Would my parents disown me? No! Would they stop my school fees? No! Would they be hurt? Yes! What would be there maximum response?... Interestingly, my understanding of the Christian doctrine took off from that point and so did the lies of Islam become more obvious 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 9:03pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Lovely. So, nobody preached to you? I am curious. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 9:05pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:That is what some people call Epiphany. A point of reversal. I'm glad to have you as a brother in Christ. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 9:09pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:And, the muslims can't stop quoting from the edited Bible to validate their dead koran. Guy, without the Bible, no Muslim can preach islam. 2 Likes |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 9:16pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
enilove:Wait, was it the strength of 30Men? i thought it was of 3men. Wonderful. No wonder he died with an erection. The first man to die but his pen.is refused to join him in death. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 9:18pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:Thanks Sis! Our friends have disappeared: the truth is really bitter 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 9:29pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:I said they would. I have seen plenty of them disappear from this scene. They come up like Buffalos, but when the truth gets thrusts to them, they run off. Just imagine this one prancing around with his Copy and paste Op. He saw the Op somewhere and it got him so entwined that he believed once he posted it here, all Christians will drop and run. lol. He has got a lot coming. All the muslims were just peeping while he roast. I wonder if Islamic section still exists. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:33pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:keep decievIng. Ur. Self. Allah has made everything easy for. D muslims that every rightous thing u do u get. Reward for it planting of trees for example if any bird or animal or man take shade under d tree u planted u get reward for d duration he stayed there while u r alive nd even while u r dead d reward keep on coming Even smiling to a brother or sister IS a form of CHARITY So what other. Religion will make heaven from if not dis |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 9:51pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:No! I got myself a copy of the "Glorious Quran" and began to read. Ahmed Deedat had already torn to shreds some fundermental doctrines in the New Testament chief of which was Trinity and errors in the Bible and also the fact that the Quran was the word of God while the Bible is a mixture of the word of God, Prophets and other men. I was willing to throw away the New Testament to embrace the "one God'. As I began to read, I saw so many disjointed stories that only those who have read the Bible can understand. I saw that unlike the Bible, the Qur'an was not arranged in any particular order. Like someone shredded a textbook into pages and rebound them randomly. This however didn't bother me too much until I read something glaringly impossible: 1. Mary mother of Jesus confused with Miriam the Sister of Aaron. 2. The fact that Jesus wasn't crucified and no better explanation 3. The story of Joseph in Suratul Yusuf (the most comprehensive story about any prophet in the Quran. Etc For me then, Qur'an's contradiction with the New Testament was understandable but not also with the Old Testament. I took a reverse turn to see what I was missing in the Christian doctrine. I began to understand and comprehend things. Around that time I met a Friend whose life was to me an example of Christ. I rededicated my Life to Christ (I got Born Again in my secondary school). I have grown slowly over the times I Faith, Deeds, Service and Love for God. I still stumble occasionally (no one is perfect). But overall, its be victories and fulfilling Christian life and testimonies. I understand perfectly when ministering to a Muslim the fact that by grace those who are saved are saved. In love I try to make them understand especially those who what to know the plan of salvation. I am also mad at the average Christian who don't read outside the Bible. Muslims are fond of telling half truths or deliberately say only a part that will suit you. We hear things like We serve the same God but its the method that differ We believe all the Prophets including Jesus Christ The Quran is the pure word of God The more you study Islam, the more their lies and misinformations become glaring. I am also mad at pastors who should teach and explain the basis of our faith to church members. Instead they are teaching prosperity and scheming how to collect their money. The average Christian I am sorry is as shallow as the Muslims in doctrines and also shallow in faith. God help us all 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 10:07pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:I couldn't help but laugh at your post! Is that why all Muslims will first enter hell fire only to be brought out into paradise? Quran 19:70-72 'Then verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein. There is not one of you but will pass through it (hell). This is what your Lord has Decree which must be accomplished. Then We shall save those who used to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the wrongdoers therein humbled to their knees in Hell' Allah says you will enter hell but then if you used to fear Allah and you are dutiful to him, he will remove you from there . Compare with: Quran 2:62 'verily, those who believe and those who are jews and christians and sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve' Quran 5:69 'surely, those who believe and those who are the jews and the sabians and the christians- whosoever believed in Allah and the last day and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear neither shall they grieve' Who has more guarantee of Paradise if we take the Quran at its word? |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 10:10pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Word!!! Instead of teaching the word of God, they teach prosperity and scheme how to get money. Shallow in doctrines. Study to show yourself approved unto God, a work man who needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of Truth. If you don't study you won't be able to stand when they come. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 10:20pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:The average Muslim actually truely believes the lies of Islam as the truth without question. Their Alfas and Malims do not help matters by telling them half truths. They paint Christianity so bad that they are biased from birth. You hardly hear Christian pastors preach against Islam but in their own, Muslim clerics regularly preach sarcastically against Christians. Now, they zealously come here ready to dump the truth on these 'gullible" Christians only to meet the truth head-on. They go back reciting Laillah Allah LA to quench their beating hearts. Lack of humility and lack of desire for truth will not allow them to ask questions. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 10:22pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:Of course! The average Christian doesn't even preach the Gospel. You just wonder how many are true disciples of Christ indeed |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 10:23pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:. Who is feeding u dat? Thank God u said dead KORAN ndwe read Holy QURAN like I said u r FRUSTRATED and even a MADMAN is better dan u. And ISLAM does preach to worthless fools like u nd. U knw why ? becoz we don't stoop so low nd we need pple dat comprehend use their BRAINS not waste like U So go sleep for gutter or go jump frm burj arab wey dey dubai bcoz Ur exitence is worthless Peace |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 10:24pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:I have never even heard any pastor talk about islam on the pulpit. For what nah? Satan hates what is God's. They hate us, we still grow. They are jealous and filled with complex, we don't even notice them. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 10:27pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:Na so o! |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 10:34pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:Oga, na you open this thread o. Lolzzzz, you didn't know we'll be here to put the truth to you abi? Common small question, you no fit ansa. Why you dey foam for mouth nah? Go back and read your Op it you believe you can preach islam without the Bible. I have seen better and more knowledgeable Muslims come and go, you are not even close. They get beaten to a pulp and retreat to nurse their wounds in your desert cave called 'Islamic section'. The next time you think of posting any trash here, remember we shall be waiting for you with your own scriptures, to expose Allah's lies. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 10:39pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka:hu said all muslims will enter. Hell fire. And where we wil all knw who is on d right path on day of Judgement
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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 10:41pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107: Hehehe. Yes ooooo We shall be waiting. I like that. United we stand. I will always be here. Enough is enough. People must know the truth. The truth shall set them free. Glory to God. And his lamb Jesus. To him be glory, honour and Dominion. Now and forever more. Amen |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 11:15pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:Deliberately I bolded "Your Lord" so that you will see but its obvious you didn't see it. Your Lord is no other than Allah. The Lord of the Muslims. Its also obvious you don't read: all Muslims will enter and later (probably after 20 million earth years) some will be released. Let me give you a similar one: Quran46:9 Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do i know what will be done with me or with you. I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am but a Warner open and clear." If Allah told Mohammed to tell you he doesn't know(he is not sure) and yet you claim to know. I wonder on what authority |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 5:58am On Oct 14, 2017 |
shadeyinka:u said all He didn't say all |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 6:01am On Oct 14, 2017 |
analice107: |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 7:19am On Oct 14, 2017 |
umarshek6:Open your teeth but still remember that. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 7:23am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:Alleluia. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:21am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Originakalokalo: I asked u who was there to report these claims. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 8:26am On Oct 14, 2017 |
umarshek6: Usually one of several antics of Moslems: refusing the glaring Truth even when they see it in back and white and incontestable. shadeyinka: At least the last two verses show that Christians will enter paradise. Who is the phrase one of you referring to in Quran1970-72. The verse clarifies it so that there is no ambiguity your Lord. Is Allah not your Lord? Allah is Lord of Mohammed? Muslims? Have you read (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577)....I will quote just a small section “We will order the angels to take them out and the angels will know them by the mark of the traces of prostration (on their foreheads) for Allah banned the fire to consume the traces of prostration on the body of Adam's son. So they will take them out, and by then they would have burnt (as coal), and then water, called Maul Hayat (water of life) will be poured on them, and they will spring out like a seed springs out on the bank of a rainwater stream, and there will remain one man who will be facing the (Hell) Fire and will say, 'O Lord! It's (Hell's) vapor has poisoned and smoked me and its flame has burnt me; please turn my face away from the Fire.' He will keep on invoking Allah till Allah says, 'Perhaps, if I give you what you want, you will ask for another thing?' The man will say, 'No, by Your Power, I will not ask You for anything else.' Allah will recognise Muslims in Hell by the marks on their forehead. I didn't write this hadith o! |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 9:16am On Oct 14, 2017 |
shadeyinka:d it is a bridge pass through a bridge dat is as thin as a strand of hair,slipprey as mucur and has thorns and beneath it is hell Like I said if u keep removing part frm Quran leaving other part wat u removed become meaning less without having any knowledge o d Quran B4 So ur bible promised heaven one hand and to evrybody Looooooooool |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:38am On Oct 14, 2017 |
shadeyinka: So you mean Elijah died while he was being taken to heaven in chariot of fire and now came back as John? Did he died in heaven or how? We believe the Jewish Torah and Injeel in their original forms contains information about our Prophet Muhammad's coming and prophethood as this is confirmed in the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the Greatest Miracle to us. For other lesser miracles, you can type "Prophet Muhammad's miracles'' on google. Prophet Muhammad fulfilled both. Just because Allah strengthened Jesus with the Holy Spirit does not make him God. -Word of God....We are all created by Allah's command (word) -Spirit of God....(He was Strenghteened) -Son of God......(Metaphorical not literal) -Son of Man......(We are all sons of Adam) -Prophet of God...(He was a Prophet and Messenger) It is sheer ignorance to say Allah has three daughters. The Arabs had about 360 idols they worshiped before Islam came. They still partly believed in Allah who is supreme. Just as Yoruba idol worshipers erroneously worship Sango,ogun, etc and still believes in Eledumare. You are accusing me of telling lies for Allah! I asked you if Elijah is dead or Alive but you didn't reply! I will like to know how he died from the Bible before coming Back as John. You are claiming Bible supports reincarnation! Amos 8:7 (KJV) 7 The Lord hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works. And as i always say Allah does what He wishes. ‘Eesaa ibn Maryam (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is alive; he has not died up till now. The Jews did not kill him or crucify him; rather it was caused to appear that way to them. Allah took him up to heaven, body and soul, and until now he is in heaven. The evidence for that is the words of Allah, may He be exalted, concerning the fabrication of the Jews and the refutation thereof (interpretation of the meaning): “And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ) But Allah raised him (‘Eesaa (Jesus)) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise” [an-NIsa’ 4:157-158]. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by enilove(m): 10:11am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Op, just think about these : If God had plan of salvation for the world through Muhammed who came from the lineage of Ishmael, why did God ask Abraham to send Ishmael away with his mother, so that Ishmael with his mother will not kill the promised Son ISAAC.? Before a father would send his son away from his presence neans a LOT. Genesis 21:7-14 KJV And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age. [8] And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. [9] And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. [10] Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. [11] And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. [12] And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. [13] And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed. [14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba. Jesus also said: John 4:22 KJV Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. God's plan when He called Abraham was to save the world through his son. Who was this son ? It was Isaac not Ishmael. 1 Like |
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