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Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by hopefulLandlord: 9:45am On Oct 13, 2017 |
ilynem: you've been busy chasing the Benjamins, remember us when you get to your kingdom |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 9:51am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Who is the greatest prophet? .The One that was not formed through the sexual intercourse of man Or The one that was formed by the process of reproduction? The One that came first Or The one that came after 600 years and have almost all the stories that are there in the first One's book? The One that couldn't do a miracle Or The One that moulded a bird with clay and gave life to it? The one that said he has life in him and proved it by rasing a dead Lazarus? Choose the one that is greater and believe everything he says. And God will give you Life. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by ilynem(m): 10:04am On Oct 13, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:The Benjamins are running really fast sir. But we have to chase them. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 10:08am On Oct 13, 2017 |
D one hu never sinned all his action was based on Allahs orders dat makes him great Originakalokalo: |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 10:13am On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6: Ok. Your choice is good. Keep at it. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 10:46am On Oct 13, 2017 |
ilynem:Na true nah. They are blind in their minds and eyes. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 11:25am On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo:yes I knw u dnt have tell me |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 11:38am On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:because he still have plans for him U crossbreed of pig/dog |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by enilove(m): 11:52am On Oct 13, 2017 |
There are some muslims who are not aware of the lies in this Islam and there are some that have been told but are full of evil and can never change . How can they read the quran and hadith and still remain muslims . They will not dispute with you that it is not written but would prefare to abuse you bco they believe lies of the devil such as this: Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579: Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse." No wonder allah gave him sexual power: Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268: Sahih Bukhari Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). The anointing and strength / power allah gave him was for sexual immortality. No matter what , some will reason and will NEVER. But for those who will not read to find out the truth and cannot deny the existence of these things in their books , Jesus said: Matthew 15:14 KJV Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. 2 Likes |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 11:53am On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:Oh well. allah is the creator of all things right? Isn't he the one who created Pigs and dogs? 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 11:58am On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:Understanding the Trinity of Man will erode your lack of comprehension that it doesn't mean three but one umarshek6: Since I also pray kneeling down with my head on the ground, maybe I am also doing the salat without knowing. Don't you know that bowing down to a god is not exclusive to Islam? In all pagan religions, they bow down to their god. Except you agree that the pagan worshippers are also Muslims. This is one of the lamest argument I have seen in ages umarshek6: In Mark 12:29, Here what Jesus Himself said Mk12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Christians never ever had contested the Oneness of God. It is you Muslims through your Quran and it s author that is misinforming people. If you don't understand, ASK! umarshek6: And about Spiritual Significance! ... you bring this load of rubbish? Since you claim Islam is the religion of the prophets of Judaism, I expect that you will have the same Spiritual Significance. ...but you can't, because truthfully, Islam does not have a spiritual significance of Sacrifice. Please Read Leviticus 16:1- You will understand that your conjectures are sincerely rubbish compared with the Taurat |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:05pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
analice107:Amen. Do you know that I almost became a moslem in my undergraduate days thanks to Ahmed Deedat and some Muslim apologists. It was the contradictions between the Old Testament and the Quran that prevented me. But the average Muslim does not know. They claim they believe in the Taurat and Zabura and NONE of them (at least the ones I know in Nigeria) have read it. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 12:05pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6: Something is wrong with this guy. This is what he sent as a reply to me.this morning. And he is still here responding. "last I checked muslims don't. Say crapy things about Jesus And I didn't even quote u U can come to d north spit dat crap I knw hw to wield a sword very well and don't worry I will make it swift U already told me dat B4" The mod took it out. I have the record tho. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:07pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:It pains you that Jehovah doesn't swear by the sun, moon and hills like my grand father will swear by his iron sword 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:15pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
ilynem: ...and if the bible is corrupted, they should show us what the Original Script said. ..you know like animal farm of George Orwell they keep breying Two legs good, Four legs bad Skewed logics: why would the Almighty create a new human being almost 6000 years after He created Adam and Eve? If Al'nabi Isa failed it means Allah didnt know the future If Al'nabi Isa succeeded, then what was His success? Muslims will stumble on this: their answers will be endless repetitions of Arabic. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 12:23pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Jesus is NOT Dead! Therefore, His Prophethood continues. Why did the Jews not believe Jesus even though he bore the marks of prophethood? 1.He broke the Laws of Judaism 2. He called Himself the Son of God 3. He came for the sinners and related with them 4. He was from a home of a "pauper" who is not know religious wise 5. He claimed he will die and resurrect after 3 days Etc Why did the Jews not believe Mohammed 1. He does not worship Jehovah he serves Allah who swears by the moon and star and hills. 2. He did not bear any marks of a prophet |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by malvisguy212: 1:54pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:if Jesus is just an ordinary prophet , why is so important for Allah to snatch him at the point of death and allowed his favorite prophet , Muhammad to die ? the fact that quran say everyone will test death show how important is Jesus , Surah 21:35: Every soul must taste of death, and We try you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned. now, the verse you quote, there is great deception in it, If you read this account in its entirety from Surah 4:153 to Surah 4:162, you will understand who they are that are saying, “Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah.” According to the Qur’an, it is the Jews saying this. Think! Would the hostile Jews call Jesus the “Messiah” when they have rejected him as the Messiah? It must be remembered that the Jewish religious leaders even objected when Pilate wrote a title saying, “King of the Jews.” ( John 19:19-22 ). It is, therefore, illogical for the Jews to boastfully say that “we have killed the Messiah” when they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah in the first place. And if they did recognize him as the Messiah , as this verse implies ,would they have killed him? Whether they accept Jesus or not, the Jews will never make such a statement, sarcastically or otherwise, regarding the Messiah because the Messiah is a reverential figure for whom they waiting for deliverance. No Jews will boast that they have killed the Messiah. And the Jews are still devotedly waiting for the Messiah. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:25pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Where is Elijah? Dead or alive? What is the mark of Prophethood? Was Jesus a Prophet or the son of God or God Himself? In the Arabic Bible, God is written as Allah, why? Jesus is alive body and soul and he never died but he is unaware of anything we do here except as Allah wills for him. Once again, we swear by Allah only but Allah can swear with anything He so wishes. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:27pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo: Who was with him when he was crucified? All this are mere conjectures! May Allah open your eyes! |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 2:47pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
enilove:dats y his ARRAHIM |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 3:11pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka I don't care what u or d world think me my religion and other muslim if u say trash abt my GOD or Rasuol I get aggressive analice107 u r frustrated is written all over u d likes of u deserves to die as kafir. Asstafirullah Malvisguy212 you can go to hell for all care Originalkalokalo d way approach me dats how I will react To every action dere is an equal but opposite reaction. Refrence 3rd law of motion And thats my principle |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:03pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:I leave you to the interpretation Mat11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come Rashduct4luv:Two questions 1. Every Prophet in Judaism was spoken to by God Himself (not an intermediary) like Jubril. In fact there are many non prophets who angels spoke to. Example Mary, Joseph, Zacharias, Samson's parent. 2. Every prophet is given a supernatural proof of prophethood Now tell me if Mohammed fulfilled either of these two basic proofs. Second Question: Jesus was both and Many More -Word of God -Spirit of God -Son of God -Son of Man -Prophet of God etc Rashduct4luv:Because the concept of the Creator God is now known by the name Allah in arabic. That is the best linguistically proper word to use now. But the question really is who is the Allah of prophet mohammed. He is certainly not Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If he is not, Allah of Mohammed is an imposture Now, you will understand that Mohammed's Father was an Idol worshipper. What was his name? Abdallah (meaning, Servant of Allah) : Tell me which Allah? You remember that Arabian Allah has three daughters (do youbwant me to mention their names?) They almost killed Rushdie because he dear writebon the satanic verses. Rashduct4luv:1. Any proof of the first paragraph? He is unaware? You remember that Mohammed travelled to heaven where he spoke with Moses, Jesus and the other prophets when he received the five times of prayer? At least thank God you know that Jesus is not dead. Do prophets retire or resigns their appointment? Their mission terminates only with death my dear (therefore, Jesus mission is still present till now) Jesus ,Unaware?! Let the Quran speak and stop telling lies for allah 2. Why would even an idol worshipper swear with anything mundane? No Sir! We swear when we say something of grave importance. But the Bottom line is, Jehovah cannot swear by any less thing than Himself or His words. Hebrews 6:13-14 For when God made the promise to Abraham, since He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, saying, "I WILL SURELY BLESS YOU AND I WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOU." Clearly, Jehovah and Allah are not the same! If you swear by your English textbooks, will anyone take you seriously? Even though you don't believe in Buddha, if an adherent swears by him, you will take him seriously. When God swears, He wants us to take Him seriously. He must therefore use something greater or comparable to Himself. Since no one is greater than Jehovah, He swears only by Himself Let me ask you my own question? It is a historically proven event that the crucifixion of "a purported" Jesus took place. The Bible explained the details of what happened BUT the Quran says otherwise. Therefore, what really happened around the time of Crucifixion with Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 4:19pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6: I have not insulted you, prophet Mohammed or Allah. I have just spoken the truth to make you ask relevant question beyond what you have been told. You have been told that Islam is the religion of all the prophets before Mohammed. And I have shown that the God of all those prophets was Jehovah. As a Muslim, do you worship Jehovah? You have been told that prophet Mohammed is the last and greatest prophet. I have shown you that since Jesus was not dead, His prophethood and ministry continues even till now. Can the ministry of a prophet terminate before his death? You have been told that Trinity is God, Jesus and Mary. I have shown you that Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It is not about religion it is about Gods plan for your salvation and redemption. Your major obstacle is that you have a very wrong interpretation of Trinity (thanks to the Quran) if you ask, I will explain even if it is for the sake of knowledge and understanding of what Christians believes 2 Likes |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 5:55pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Dat was jst a warning to u Who jehova eepp No I don't Worship jeahova Yes muhammad (SAW) Is d last prophet I didn't get d message u r trying to pass Yes because dats wat d catholic do |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by enilove(m): 5:57pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
shadeyinka: Well done. It is for their own good, if they will reason. This is what Muhammed promised his followers after death , HELL. . Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770: Bukhari. Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.' There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say,......... He that has ear let him hear. Muhammed has said he is in hell right now and all muslims that have died are in hell and will remain there till the judgement day. I did not write this hadith. your only defense is to tell us if it means something else. 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 6:44pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv: The disciples abandoned Jesus when the soldiers and the high priests came.to arrest Jesus. He said.....Take me and let these ones go" They took Jesus. He did not resemble anybody. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by Originakalokalo(m): 7:05pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
enilove: If this is true then there is serious trouble. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by umarshek6(m): 7:48pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
enilove:if I talk now dem go say wats wrong with umar |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 8:04pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
enilove:I Khai! If this is true, I am really sorry for the Muslims. Instead of finding the truth, they prefer to stay in the dark. And Allah is the best of the deceivers! I guess most will see the truth after rapture but then... Lord please have mercy and show many of these Muslim faithful your way in Jesus Name. Amen! 1 Like |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by shadeyinka(m): 8:07pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:No offence: you shall know the truth and that truth will set you free. I was almost reciting the shahada when my eyes were opened to the truth and love of God. God loves you and He has paid the price for your redemption. It is free if you want. |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by enilove(m): 8:42pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Originakalokalo: It is the truth. The bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge". They will not dispute the fact that it is written there but will as usual abuse or curse. Very very dangerous because this is abiut where one intend to spend eternity. The religion is a pagan religion that is why they adopted most of the pagan ways of worship. Read this: Volume 6, Book 60, Number 22: Sahih Bukhari Narrated Urwa: I said to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, and I was at that time a young boy, "How do you interpret the Statement of Allah: "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah." So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj to the House of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them. In my opinion it is not sinful for one not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." 'Aisha said, "Your interpretation is wrong for as you say, the Verse should have been: "So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj or Umra to the House, not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.' This Verse was revealed in connection with the Ansar who (during the Pre-Islamic Period) used to visit Manat (i.e. an idol) after assuming their Ihram, and it was situated near Qudaid (i.e. a place at Mecca), and they used to regard it sinful to ambulate between Safa and Marwa after embracing Islam. When Islam came, they asked Allah's Apostle about it, whereupon Allah revealed:-- "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158) You can see that even Aishat knew that the idol worshippers used to " Tawaf" , and regarded it as wrong because they felt muhammed had brought a new religion different from the pagans' , but muhammed approved it, because he knew he was during the same thing in deceit. As you can read from the previous post, he told them that he is going to hell to suffer until the day of judgement when he will be saved. So , allah promised them purnishment in hell. Some of them have died over1,500 years ago and since then, despite there service and worship, still ended up in hell ,waiting for the last day. What a pity . |
Re: Discussion With A Christian About The Christian Doctrine Of Redemption by analice107: 8:44pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
umarshek6:Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Muslim man, i have not said one word yet, i only asked you a question, Just one question. Why did allah steal Jesus from the cross and hypnotized the Jews to believe it was Jesus on the cross? Instead of answering me, you are calling me frustrated. |
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