gregyboy:



Ogie royalty

Enogie: royalty at viillage level

Oba king

Osa( God)

Ogiso royalties from sky children of osa the god king

Oba means king that why no one bears apart from the oba but everyone bears ogie.... If really the word oba comes from yoruba how did eweka get to know about it be that he never meant is dad one on one abd he nevee went to ife so how did yorubas actually influenced the word oba on eweka

Even all your Edo websites know this. See below and stop lying because you're embarrassed that "Oba" for King is not indigenous to Edo

TAO11:


Ogiso = Sky King (from Ogie and Iso)

Ogie = King.

You whispered oba in eweka hear when he was choosing the title ....

You are ready to teach me my language

We are not like the cunning tribe of yours if we go by that ooni means king and not oba it is a tutorlogy to use two title representing kings to adress ooni already ooni stand for king this shows that oba was adopted into the context by the influence of britsh on whst they saw in Benin

Bitch go suck some dick and let men argue

Awon temi Pacheco ati Fernandez

gregyboy:


You whispered oba in eweka hear when he was choosing the title ....

You are ready to teach me my language

We are not like the cunning tribe of yours if we go by that ooni means king and not oba it is a tutorlogy to use two title representing kings to adress ooni already ooni stand for king this shows that oba was adopted into the context by the influence of britsh on whst they saw in Benin

Bitch go suck some dick and let men argue

Ogiso is sky King (from: Ogie = king and Iso = sky)

Ogie is King in Edo

Oba for King is indigenous to Yoruba and alien to Edo.

The word "Ooni" a title for the Obas of Ife literally means "the owner" No one says the word "Ooni" means "king"

TAO11:


Ogiso is sky King.

Ogie is King in Edo

Oba for King is Yoruba and alien to Edo.

Hmm...ha oba king in yorubs ha i lafff tell that to the igbos

Ooni is king
Allafin is king
Nothing more every king have it own title which represent king
That's why benins gave thier subject different names to conote kingship in thier domain the oba could have given all is vassal state enogie of thier town if enogie really coonate kings as you emphasize it only tells you that enogie means royalty to the bloodline of the ogiso while the rest kings bore different titles because they not related to the ogiso dynasty ....oba is king in benin and not yoruba word
if you wanna comtinue this argument tell me how come eweka who grew up in benin new a word far away in osun and why is ooni using teo titles to rep king

oba is alien word to yoruba until the 1800 they saw the power of the name and adopted it through british influence regardless of them having thier respective title for kings

gregyboy:


Hmm...ha oba king in yorubs ha i lafff tell that to the igbos

Ooni is king
Allafin is king
Nothing more every king have it own title which represent king
That's why benins gave thier subject different names to conote kingship in thier domain the oba could have given all is vassal state enogie of thier town if enogie really coonate kings as you emphasize it only tells you that enogie means royalty to the bloodline of the ogiso while the rest kings bore different titles because they not related to the ogiso dynasty ....oba is king in benin and not yoruba word
if you wanna comtinue this argument tell me how come eweka who grew up in benin new a word far away in osun and why is ooni using teo titles to rep king

Lol, poor defense.

Ooni means king, Alaafin means king, Alake means king ... You aren't afraid to contradict yourself.

Three (and several more) obviously different words of the same language means "king" in your twisted mind, right? Lol!



To educate you, the word "Ooni" means: "The one who owns"

The word "Alaafin" (from: Olu-Afin) means: "The sovereign of the palace"

The word "Alake" means: "The sovereign of Ake"

... and so on.

These are DIFFERENT unique title for the DIFFERENT OBAs of the DIFFERENT Yoruba kingdoms.



And stop twisting my words. What I said, which is attested to by the whole world except you, is that:

Ogiso (from: Ogie and Iso) means Sky King.

And "OGIE" is the indigenous Edo word for "KING" not "OBA"

OBA is a loanword from Yoruba to Edo. It's not found in Edo lexicon prior to Oranmiyan.

But as for OBA it is found in Yoruba lexicon from time immemorial.

Names of many yoruba deities bears testimony:

OBAmeri
OBAluaye
OBAlufon
OBAtala

gregyboy:
oba is alien word to yoruba until the 1800 they saw the power of the name and adopted it through british influence regardless of them having thier respective title for kings

Hahaha!

Poor boy, provide your evidence and proof.


Also, regarding your question about why Eweka knew about the word Oba used in Ife.

It's because Eweka did not give birth to himself.

His father Oranmiyan is Yoruba, and he already introduced many Yoruba cultural concepts (including the word Ubinu).

The Yoruba language became well pronounced in Edo society before Eweka ascended the throne of his Yoruba father.

In fact, I should be asking you why the poor little dumb Eweka opened his mouth for the first time and uttered a word in his father's tongue, i.e. Yoruba language, despite been born and bred in Benin.

According to Omo N' Erediauwa, "he exclaimed in his father's tongue "OWOMIKA" "

See: Omo N' Oba Erediauwa's book: "The Benin-Ife Connection (2004)"



NB:

I am not recommending this book as a reputable and respected work among academics, no it's not.

But it certainly contains some truths and I believe you (as an Edo revisionist) will trust the book in its entirety.

TAO11:


I made a number of statements. Which, precisely, of them is not correct?

Moreover, quote me the precise contrary statements from the names you mentioned and the names of their works (please add the page numbers).

Thanks! Lol

For Smith, read "Kingdoms of the Yoruba". I already provided the name of Strides and Ifeka's book.

gwinaB:



For Smith, read "Kingdoms of the Yoruba". I already provided the name of Strides and Ifeka's book.

Yeah I get you, but I'm still not sure what contrary statement you're referring me to in the book.

I don't want to have to dive into the whole volume just to find out one statement. That's precisely why I asked you to quote the exact words.

I made a number of different statements. Which specific one of them did I get wrong?

And what are the corresponding contrary statements from the sources you've cited?

I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that you yourself have read these books you're referring me to, so quote me the words as found in these books you're citing (with their page numbers) and let it be left for me to either confirm or refute the statement(s).

You simply can't expect me to read the whole volume from chapter 1 to chapter n just in order to find out a barely five lines long statement(s).

TAO11:


Lol, poor defense.

Ooni means king, Alaafin means king, Alake means king ... You aren't afraid to contradict yourself.

Three (and several more) obviously different words of the same language means "king" in your twisted mind, right? Lol!



To educate you, the word "Ooni" means: "The one who owns"

The word "Alaafin" (from: Olu-Afin) means: "The sovereign of the palace"

The word "Alake" means: "The sovereign of Ake"

... and so on.

These are DIFFERENT unique title for the DIFFERENT OBAs of the DIFFERENT Yoruba kingdoms.



And stop twisting my words. What I said, which is attested to by the whole world except you, is that:

Ogiso (from: Ogie and Iso) means Sky King.

And "OGIE" is the indigenous Edo word for "KING" not "OBA"

OBA is a loanword from Yoruba to Edo. It's not found in Edo lexicon prior to Oranmiyan.

But as for OBA it is found in Yoruba lexicon from time immemorial.

Names of many yoruba deities bears testimony:

OBAmeri
OBAluaye
OBAlufon
OBAtala

lol....what ever onni mean it still means king just the way oba has its meaning but represent king

ogie is royalty not every duke in benin are called ogie you cant call obi of onitscha ogie .ogie like i said are people related to the king by blood in a sentence you could say everyone here are all ogies.meaning all of them are royalties..benin never spoke yoruba at any point of thier history dont force history on the benin people benin had a well documented history than the whole of yoruba race ...your anology of eweka speaking yoruba in benin is total off point .....if you dont have valid point again i bet i wont respond to you again

TAO11:
.

Thank God you just admitted Oranmiyan is the first OBA of Benin.

And OGISO means SKY-KING (from: OGIE and ISO). In other words the INDIGENOUS EDO word for KING is "OGIE" not "OBA".

This again confirms that the word " OBA" for king is alien to EDO lexicon.

Which again supports the fact that:

Oranmiyan is the first " 'OBA' of BENIN"

please don't misquote me,i did not say he is the first king in benin my points is kings have rain before his father time who was an oba,in benin kingdom the ogiso can change names or law governing the pple.so you cannot say he was the first oba in bini,nor b person born him father

arazanbal:




please don't misquote me,i did not say he is the first king in benin my points is kings have rain before his father time who was an oba,in benin kingdom the ogiso can change names or law governing the pple.so you cannot say he was the first oba in bini,nor b person born him father

No where did I mention that he is the first KING
, my point is that he is the first OBA of Benin.

There was no OBA before him, what was there before was OGISO, and there was even no Benin before him.

And that's precisely the same point Ona Ewuare was making in the video link I shared before.

Refer from time 13:22 to 13:41


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Also, you were wrong to have said that the Ogiso dynasty gave birth to the Oba dynasty.

In what way did the Ogiso dynasty give birth to the Oba dynasty? Please be aware that you aren't talking to a novice.

The Oba dynasty is not an indigenous Edo dynasty but a foreign Yoruba dynasty all the way from Ile-Ife as tested in the video above.

That's why there is still some kind of resistance to the Oba dynasty till date by the Ogiamwen family who thinks they should go back to Ile-Ife where they originally come from.

TAO11:


No where did I mention that he is the first KING
, my point is that he is the first OBA of Benin.

There was no OBA before him, what was there before was OGISO, and there was even no Benin before him.

And that's precisely the same point Ona Ewuare was making in the video link I shared before.

who told eweka to take upon the name oba even when is father never set is eyes on him ...did they write in a note ....i duobt ....the truth is the britshed help to popularized the name in the west if they had stayed longer maybe it would been the full southern nigeria

gregyboy:


lol....what ever onni mean it still means king just the way oba has its meaning but represent king

ogie is royalty not every duke in benin are called ogie you cant call obi of onitscha ogie .ogie like i said are people related to the king by blood in a sentence you could say everyone here are all ogies.meaning all of them are royalties..benin never spoke yoruba at any point of thier history dont force history on the benin people benin had a well documented history than the whole of yoruba race ...your anology of eweka speaking yoruba in benin is total off point .....if you dont have valid point again i bet i wont respond to you again

Again you keep contradicting yourself in desperation, Lol!

You said "whatever Ooni means" and then you added that "it still means king". In other words:

It doesn't mean king and it means king poor Benin boy is desperate! Lol.

And "OBA" is a uniform word all over Yoruba kingdoms. meaning "KING", while "Ooni" (meaning: "He Who Owns" ) is the reserved royal title for the OBAs of Ile-Ife; just as "Alaafin" (meaning: "The Sovereign of the Palace" ) is the reserved royal title for the OBAs of OYO Kingdom; etc.

How in your twisted mind can several different words of THE SAME LANGUAGE (i.e. "Ooni", "Alaafin", "Awujale", "Alake", "Olubadan", "Olu-Èkó", etc. ) all mean "KING"? ... No, they are different words reserved for the different OBAs of the different Yoruba kingdoms.

I have shown how the word "OBA" for "KING" is ancient among the Yorubas with recourse to the name of certain Yoruba deities who once ruled as KINGS.

And the etymology of the word "OBA" for "king" in YORUBA language also shows clearly that it is equivalent to the English word "KING".

I challenge you to show that the etymology of the word "OBA" for "KING" in EDO language is the equivalent of the English word "KING".

I bet you can't, and the reason is simple: A loanword cannot have an etymology in the recipient language, only in the donor language.

You are obviously just a desperate joker!

You can keep twisting, spinning and calling all Edo elders fools and liars just because I embarrassed you with facts. I don't really care

Edo elders all say OGISO (from: OGIE and ISO) means SKY-KING , but you poor and embarrased dude are here trying to turn away from that.

You can't run now where, OGISO means SKY KING (not sky royalty or sky royal as you're desperate to twist ) and since ISO is SKY, then OGIE is the EDO indigenous word for KING which again proves that "OBA" is alien and not indigenous to EDO.

The attached screenshot below from an Edo website like every other Edo websites and books also didn't call didn't call OGISO as SKY ROYAL or SKY ROYALTY instead it speaks the truth by admitting that it means SKY KING ....... Why is the truth too heavy to be uttered by your lying tongue?


You didn't know what to say in response to my point about Eweka speaking Yoruba his father's tongue despite been born and raised in Benin after his father had already left Benin.


Bnis spoke Yoruba language and one of the many piece of evidence is the fact that Eweka who was born and raised far away from Yoruba land spoke Yoruba language even the first time he will open his mouth to utter a word ... "OWOMIKA" (My hand(s) grasped it fully).

In other words, Yoruba is the language he had heard mostly (if not entirely) while he was growing up.

What precisely you you want to dispute here? Oh! Maybe Oba Erediauwa who unashamedly confessed this fact is also stupid according to you.

Yes, I knew you will run away when the facts hit you well, it's typical of liars to run away.

TAO11:


Again you keep contradicting yourself in desperation, Lol!

You said "whatever Ooni means" and then you added that "it still means king". In other words:

It doesn't mean king and it means king poor Benin boy is desperate! Lol.

Also, you keep twisting, spinning and calling all Edo

elders fools and liars just because I embarrassed you with facts.

Edo elders all say OGISO (from: OGIE and ISO) means SKY-KING , but you poor and embarrased dude are here trying to turn away from that.

You can't run now where, OGISO means SKY KING (not sky royalty or sky royal as you're desperate to twist ) and since ISO is SKY, then OGIE is the EDO indigenous word for KING which again proves that "OBA" is alien and not indigenous to EDO.

The attached screenshot below from an Edo website like every other Edo websites and books also didn't call didn't call OGISO as SKY ROYAL or SKY ROYALTY instead it speaks the truth by admitting that it means SKY KING ....... Why is the truth too heavy to be uttered by your lying tongue?


You didn't know what to say in response to my point about Eweka speaking Yoruba his father's tongue despite been born and raised in Benin after his father had already left Benin.


Bnis spoke Yoruba language and one of the many piece of evidence is the fact that Eweka who was born and raised far away from Yoruba land spoke Yoruba language even the first time he will open his mouth to utter a word ... "OWOMIKA" (My hand(s) grasped it)

In other words, Yoruba is the language he had heard mostly (if not entirely) while he was growing up.

What precisely you you want to dispute here? Oh! Maybe Oba Erediauwa who unashamedly confessed this fact is also stupid according to you.

Yes, I knew you will run away when the facts hit you well, it's typical of liars to run away.

edo spoke yorubas hahaha.....then yorubas spoke benins if that is the case the first king of ife was osagangan...if we are going to go by your analogy
again ooni mean king i see no reason why oba should be added to his title if they didnt borrow it to add to thier respective title
I feel detest arguing with a tribe that has no form of documeented history all your kings of olds bore oba to thier title and so the first king in benin was obagodo

gregyboy:


edo spoke yorubas hahaha.....then yorubas spoke benins if that is the case the first king of ife was osagangan...if we are going to go by your analogy
again ooni mean king i see no reason why oba should be added to his title if they didnt borrow it to add to thier respective title
I feel detest arguing with a tribe that has no form of documeented history all your kings of olds bore oba to thier title and so the first king in benin was obagodo

Edos spoke Yoruba! I didn't just make the claim, I also provided you with evidence in the words of Eweka as mentioned by your past Oba Erediauwa who said Eweka spoke "IN HIS FATHER'S TONGUE, OWOMIKA". How could he have spoken Yoruba (the first time he could talk) despite been born into an apparently Benin culture, and raised in an apparently Benin culture?

Please go argue with Oba Erediauwa.

So, if you will desperately claim that Yorubas also spoke Edo because you're obviously embarrassed by the fact I have presented, then please be at least prepared to bring forward evidence, proof, or reason just as I provided you with some in the words of someone I believe you trust.

Let me know if you don't trust Oba Erediauwa's account anymore. Lol!


And who said Osanganagan-Obamakin is the first king of Ile-Ife? This boy is just one desperate learner.

All sources acknowledge Oduduwa to be the first.

In fact, NOT all sources acknowledges Osangangan-Obamakin to be the SECOND, some historical sources say he is the THIRD.

But certainly NO source says he is the first. I'm not even sure why you brought up a lie about Osangangan-Obamakin's name. Lol!

Again the word "Ooni" doesn't mean "king", the word "Oba" does.

If you repeat a lie a Trillion times without any evidence, proof, and reason, that still wouldn't turn it into truth.

Your lie that the word "Ooni" means "king" and that the word "Oba" is simply a title meaning something else (instead of the other way round) is only a figment of your sad, bittered, wild and desperate imagination.

And Yorubas history is the most well documented in southern Nigeria. Ask your brother who has been referring me to books by western experts on Yoruba history.

How many Universities in the world teach Edo language and history? Lol!

Regarding your mention of "OBAGODO", I swear you failed to see how you dug a hole for yourself and fell into it.

I will show it to you. I will help you see your contradiction:


IGODO (sometimes called OBAGODO) is the very first Ogiso of Igodomigodo land. He reigned centuries before EKALADERHAN son of the last Ogiso (OWODO).

You have contradicted yourself here because you had claimed earlier that the word "OBA" in Edo language was COINED by EKALADERHAN, yet here you want me to believe again that the word "OBA" was coined or used already by IGODO.
You better pick one hustle! Lol.

Moreover, having shown you to be a janus-faced liar, I have no problem with how the Edo word "OBA" sometimes prefixes the name of IGODO.

I have already mentioned that the Edo word "OBA" which means to TO SHINE/SHINING (which you also admit) is not a recent Edo invention by any Ekaladerhan.

I mentioned that it has already been part of Edo lexicon from time immemorial. And I have just been proven right by your reference to OBAGODO.

This word, which also like the Yoruba word is spelt O-B-A, obviously has a A DIFFERENT MEANING, SOUNDS DIFFERENTLY, and is PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY from the YORUBA WORD "OBA" (which in its own right means "KING" and not TO SHINE/SHINING).

This is why OBA EWUARE II could confidently say that ORANMIYAN (not Igodo) is the FIRST OBA of Benin.

Do you think Oba Ewuare II is wrong?Lol!

see video here from time 13:22 to time 13:41


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

gregyboy:


who told eweka to take upon the name oba even when is father never set is eyes on him ...did they write in a note ....i duobt ....the truth is the britshed help to popularized the name in the west if they had stayed longer maybe it would been the full southern nigeria

With each fact I knock you with you become dumber. Lol!

Eweka I did not install himself as king. The kingmakers on the instruction of Oranmiyan obviously did!

In fact, Oba Ewuare II believed that Oranmiyan already ascended the throne with the description "Oba" before he later left for Ife.

So, those Edo people are not really as dumb as you think that they would all at once just forget the description the previous king (i.e. Oranmiyan) was addressed as.

In fact, even if you think Oba Ewuare II is wrong (i.e. that Oranmiyan did not ascend the throne to rule as king), you will still agree that all the Edo chiefs are not so dumb that they would all completely forget the instruction Oranmiyan had given them regarding the installation of his son as Oba.

C'mon, be smart for once!

Nowenuse:


There are Edo speaking tribes scattered aclcross 5 LGA in Ondo state. I'm not sure about Ekiti.

the local government don't get names hahaha so don't sure of ekiti again now ondo pls receive sense.

okeniti:
Very well. BBC Yoruba did a small piece on the Yoruba community in Brazil sometime last year (i'll put it below). Even Ooni of Ife was there last year. If you have time, I strongly recommend you read a book called A History Of The Yoruba People by Prof. Akintoye. Among many other things, the Yoruba diaspora in Brazil is covered in detail in this book.

https://www.instagram.com/bbcnewsyoruba/p/BpghKysHUf2/?hl=bg

good evening
please do you still have a soft copy of that book
A history of the Yoruba people… I'll love to read it.

I don't. Some good online retailers still sell the book though.

GreatCracker:
good evening
please do you still have a soft copy of that book
A history of the Yoruba people… I'll love
to read it.

Unlimitk:

Check their DNA
U don't know if white mix with black,white will b dominant
Eventually they will look like white ppl after race mixing
White genes is strong
Have u seen Drake?
Would u then say drake Is only white after Drake has black father

Abeg all na lie

Not all are mixed they are Latinos

Ok afro Brazilian are the only people in Brazil dat can claim Yoruba ancestry

The rest white skin people just love the religion and practice it

Revolva:


Abeg all na lie

Not all are mixed they are Latinos

Ok afro Brazilian are the only people in Brazil dat can claim Yoruba ancestry

The rest white skin people just love the religion and practice it

Arguing with a noob like u Is a waste of my intelligence

ollah2:
this isn't celebrated in Nigeria because we are forward thinking and acting people and festivals like these are archaic

And yet Brazil is 20 times more developed than Nigeria. Continue to fool yourself...continues to bow down to white jesus and arab mullahs

LZAA:
Mtchew

Igbo man jealousy of Yoruba go kee u las las

Unlimitk:

Do u know that the now known lagos state was taken out of remo land and ijebu land in ogun state
Places like sagamu had their land carved into Ogun state and places like ikorodu are part of ijebu land
Most of Lagos now were taken out of ogun state and Lagos is d smallest state in Nigeria
There are many kings in Lagos who don't make noise like oba of Lagos, saying that because he is called oba of Lagos then he controls all of Lagos is a lie
The Lagos oba of Lagos control is very small
Ask anybody
Do u know of oba of elegushi
Oba of ikorodu and so on
Awori ppl are the owner of most of Lagos
The area in Lagos that was under Benin ppl was very small
Do u know there is a place called abule egba in Lagos?
Abule means village in Yoruba language,egba ppl are mostly in Abeokuta in Ogun state, but abule egba was their land before
Many places in the now known Lagos had no influence from Benin
The place oba of Lagos has domain over in Lagos is very small
It is because of d name Lagos,everybody thinks he control everywhere in Lagos
Saying Lagos is Bini land is dumb and stupid
Awori and egba and ijebu ppl land in Lagos alone is more than 70% of Lagos
Are they Benin ppl?

Certainly he is baálẹ̀ of Idumota

TAO11:


With each fact I knock you with you become dumber. Lol!

Eweka I did not install himself as king. The kingmakers on the instruction of Oranmiyan obviously did!

In fact, Oba Ewuare II believed that Oranmiyan already ascended the throne with the description "Oba" before he later left for Ife.

So, those Edo people are not really as dumb as you think that they would all at once just forget the description the previous king (i.e. Oranmiyan) was addressed as.

In fact, even if you think Oba Ewuare II is wrong (i.e. that Oranmiyan did not ascend the throne to rule as king), you will still agree that all the Edo chiefs are not so dumb that they would all completely forget the instruction Oranmiyan had given them regarding the installation of his son as Oba.

C'mon, be smart for once!

What he said was if they decide to start counting obaship it would be ok to count from oromiyan tho he wasnt really installed as a king...and mind you nothing like king makers from ife installing eweka you must be high from oshogbo weed to come up with that ...i wonder a tribe couldnt document thier history want to tell people thiers

TAO11:


Edos spoke Yoruba! I didn't just make the claim, I also provided you with evidence in the words of Eweka as mentioned by your past Oba Erediauwa who said Eweka spoke "IN HIS FATHER'S TONGUE, OWOMIKA". How could he have spoken Yoruba (the first time he could talk) despite been born into an apparently Benin culture, and raised in an apparently Benin culture?

Please go argue with Oba Erediauwa.

So, if you will desperately claim that Yorubas also spoke Edo because you're obviously embarrassed by the fact I have presented, then please be at least prepared to bring forward evidence, proof, or reason just as I provided you with some in the words of someone I believe you trust.

Let me know if you don't trust Oba Erediauwa's account anymore. Lol!


And who said Osanganagan-Obamakin is the first king of Ile-Ife? This boy is just one desperate learner.

All sources acknowledge Oduduwa to be the first.

In fact, NOT all sources acknowledges Osangangan-Obamakin to be the SECOND, some historical sources say he is the THIRD.

But certainly NO source says he is the first. I'm not even sure why you brought up a lie about Osangangan-Obamakin's name. Lol!

Again the word "Ooni" doesn't mean "king", the word "Oba" does.

If you repeat a lie a Trillion times without any evidence, proof, and reason, that still wouldn't turn it into truth.

Your lie that the word "Ooni" means "king" and that the word "Oba" is simply a title meaning something else (instead of the other way round) is only a figment of your sad, bittered, wild and desperate imagination.

And Yorubas history is the most well documented in southern Nigeria. Ask your brother who has been referring me to books by western experts on Yoruba history.

How many Universities in the world teach Edo language and history? Lol!

Regarding your mention of "OBAGODO", I swear you failed to see how you dug a hole for yourself and fell into it.

I will show it to you. I will help you see your contradiction:


IGODO (sometimes called OBAGODO) is the very first Ogiso of Igodomigodo land. He reigned centuries before EKALADERHAN son of the last Ogiso (OWODO).

You have contradicted yourself here because you had claimed earlier that the word "OBA" in Edo language was COINED by EKALADERHAN, yet here you want me to believe again that the word "OBA" was coined or used already by IGODO.
You better pick one hustle! Lol.

Moreover, having shown you to be a janus-faced liar, I have no problem with how the Edo word "OBA" sometimes prefixes the name of IGODO.

I have already mentioned that the Edo word "OBA" which means to TO SHINE/SHINING (which you also admit) is not a recent Edo invention by any Ekaladerhan.

I mentioned that it has already been part of Edo lexicon from time immemorial. And I have just been proven right by your reference to OBAGODO.

This word, which also like the Yoruba word is spelt O-B-A, obviously has a A DIFFERENT MEANING, SOUNDS DIFFERENTLY, and is PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY from the YORUBA WORD "OBA" (which in its own right means "KING" and not TO SHINE/SHINING).

This is why OBA EWUARE II could confidently say that ORANMIYAN (not Igodo) is the FIRST OBA of Benin.

Do you think Oba Ewuare II is wrong?Lol!

see video here from time 13:22 to time 13:41


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Ooni you said has its meaning so as oba has it own meaning too. but literarily they both mean king so you and your fellow yorubas brothets should stop fooling yourself and stop making unnecessary tautology the ("ooni" of ife “oba" adetiyan) it is wrong it is simply ooni of ife then his name follows it only shows there is a motive behind adding the oba attach .in the right sense when you mention ooni everyone know you are refferring to a king in ife there is no need for the attachment of oba the British should be blamed for this giving a name to a people not theres the britsh simply saw the oba of benin controlling the south west at thier arrival and simply called those southwest kings oba too just like the northern emirs......no need to trace origin of the name the britsh is at fault here

gregyboy:



What he said was if they decide to start counting obaship it would be ok to count from oromiyan tho he wasnt really installed as a king...and mind you nothing like king makers from ife installing eweka you must be high from oshogbo weed to come up with that ...i wonder a tribe couldnt document thier history want to tell people thiers

No need to write a twisted transcript of what he clearly said in English in the video.

No where did Oba Ewuare say in the video that:

"IF THEY DECIDE TO START COUNTING OBASHIP it would be OKAY to count from oromiyan THO HE WASNT REALLY INSTALLED AS KING."

No where did he say any of this nonsense you have attributed to him.

He clearly said in the video that:

"ORANMIYAN from IFE ... become the FIRST OBA of Benin"

Oba Ewuare II considers himself to be the 40th OBA of BENIN.

(See the latest Edo list here which counts Oranmiyan as first before his Yoruba son Eweka:
https://www.edoworld.net/Obas.html )


If he thinks Oranmiyan was not really Oba, he wouldn't have changed his own position from 39th Oba to 40th Oba, because his father Oba Erediauwa while alive considers himself as the 38th Oba. Lol!

Also, please point out where I wrote that:

"Kingmakers FROM IFE installed Eweka" (even though that may have been the case).

You are obviously hallucinated! Or could it be the effect of the many facts that I've hit you with that confused you so much?

TAO11:


No need to write a twisted transcript of what he clearly said in English in the video.

No where did Oba Ewuare say in the video that:

"IF THEY DECIDE TO START COUNTING OBASHIP it would be OKAY to count from oromiyan THO HE WASNT REALLY INSTALLED AS KING."

No where did he say any of this nonsense you have attributed to him.

He clearly said in the video that:

"ORANMIYAN from IFE ... become the FIRST OBA of Benin"

Oba Ewuare II considers himself to be the 40th OBA of BENIN.

(See the latest Edo list here which counts Oranmiyan as first before his Yoruba son Eweka:
https://www.edoworld.net/Obas.html )


If he thinks Oranmiyan was not really Oba, he wouldn't have changed his own position from 39th Oba to 40th Oba, because his father Oba Erediauwa while alive considers himself as the 38th Oba. Lol!

Also, please point out where I wrote that:

"Kingmakers FROM IFE installed Eweka" (even though that may have been the case).

You are obviously hallucinated! Or could it be the effect of the many facts that I've hit you with that confused you so much?

on the instruction of oromiyan so much from the tribe that didnt document thier history before the arrival of the britsh....

oduduwa from mecca
oduduwa from sky
speaking with mere assumption ....oromiyan was never installed as oba he ewauare simply gave him that privelege from his own as oba history knew him as a coward who ran off ...Yoruba's shoukd be thankful to the Edo's for all the monarchs we have giving them especially izoduwa

gregyboy:


Ooni you said has its meaning so as oba has it own meaning too. but literarily they both mean king so you and your fellow yorubas brothets should stop fooling yourself and stop making unnecessary tautology the ("ooni" of ife “oba" adetiyan) it is wrong it is simply ooni of ife then his name follows it only shows there is a motive behind adding the oba attach .in the right sense when you mention ooni everyone know you are refferring to a king in ife there is no need for the attachment of oba the British should be blamed for this giving a name to a people not theres the britsh simply saw the oba of benin controlling the south west at thier arrival and simply called those southwest kings oba too just like the northern emirs......no need to trace origin of the name the britsh is at fault here

You're obviously not an intelligent person. Each fact I smash you with exposes your emptiness.

Again, if you repeat a lie one quadrillion times, that still would not turn it into truth. But please be rest assured I'm always here to burst your lies and expose you.

Yes, "OONI" means "The One who POSSESES" (in other words "THE SOVEREIGN".

And "OBA" means "KING".

Hence, both word does not LITERALLY mean "KING", only one does.

I am still baffled (not really ) that your dull mind can not comprehend a phrase like:

OONI Ife, OBA Adeyeye.

which in plain simple English is equivalent to saying:

THE SOVEREIGN (or OWNER) of Ife, KING Adeyeye.

Your case is beyond redeemable!

May be you're probably frustrated and mad at the British for their burning down Benin kingdom in 1897, and parading and expelling your Oba Ovanramwen like a criminal from his own kingdom.

I have shown you how the word "OBA" ("KING" ) is part and parcel of the Yoruba lexicon from time immemorial with my allusion to ancient Yoruba deities.

In fact, from an etymological perspective The Yoruba word "OBA" ("KING" ) comes from the ROOT-WORD "BA" as in the phrase: "BA lórí oun-gbogbo".

Which means: "DOMINATE/PRESIDE/RULE over everything and everyone" ).

From this root-word "BA" (meaning: DOMINATE/PRESIDE/RULE) the word "OBA" precisely becomes:

"The One Who Dominates/Presides/Rules"

This obviously perfectly corresponds (without any stretch of the imagination) to the English word "KING".


Can you please tell us (and demonstrate) if the etymology of the word "OBA" for KING is found in Edo language?



Also, have you made up your mind on who you think COINED the word "OBA" for the Edos?

Is it IGODO (the first OGISO) or EKALADERHAN who lived some 1500 years after IGODO? .


And lastly, please explain to me the reason why the Edos abandoned their ancient indigenous OGISO title of their rulers till date. I'm listening ...

gregyboy:


on the instruction of oromiyan so much from the tribe that didnt document thier history before the arrival of the britsh....

oduduwa from mecca
oduduwa from sky
speaking with mere assumption ....oromiyan was never installed as oba he ewauare simply gave him that privelege from his own as oba history knew him as a coward who ran off ...Yoruba's shoukd be thankful to the Edo's for all the monarchs we have giving them especially izoduwa

Poor boy, it's actually the other way round.

It's actually the Edos who did not have a documented history of their own prior to British rule.

The first documentation of anything about Benin history, culture, language, etc. by an indigenous Edo person didn't appear until Egharevba (1934); that is to say, after British rule had started.

You asked for it, so don't cry!

The Yorubas, on the other hand, wrote about their own history, culture, language, etc. as early Ajayi Crowther (1840s).

Another one noteworthy is (although few years into British rule) by Pa Moses Lijadu. Guess what! He completed his writing in the same year that the British burnt down Benin kingdom and paraded and expelled Oba Ovanramwen from Benin to Calabar (1897) where he later died like a pauper.

Again, you asked for it.

If you really think Oranmiyan was never installed as Oba, then please take it up with your king who said clearly in the video I posted that:

ORANMIYAN from IFE ... become the FIRST OBA of Benin

But even if you think he wasn't and that it was his Yoruba kid son, then that's even a bigger slap on your face.

The Yoruba dynasty starting from Oranmiyan or his Yoruba son "OWOMIKA" continues interrupted till date in your village and there is nothing anyone of you bitter losers can do about it.

Again, Oduduwa is from Ile-Ife. Nowhere did I mention Mecca or sky to you. If you fact to challenge this, then bring it on.

However, according to your dumb Edo tradition, the Ogiso rulers are from the Sky (Ogiso = Sky-King).

In fact, Oba Erediauwa is quoted in Eweka (1992: p. 2) that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by God almighty himself. How dumb?

And regarding your Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, or Ekalderhan that you losers can't even agree on a name; we don't know him in Yoruba land and we don't care if your prince was exiled or banished (I think y'all have some sad history of prince/king banishment).

No western scholar in the whole wide world accepts the Bini desperation that Ekaladerhan resurrected from the dead at Ughoton and then proceeded to be king somewhere else.

Why should I accept your nonsense claim when scholars the world over don't?

The most important fact is that Oranmiyan has installed a Yoruba dynasty (whether directly or through his own son) in far away Igodomigodo which he later changed to Benin.