YorubaWarrior:


Okoro Savage spotted! E pain am die...

TAO11:


I expected the question: where then is Oduduwa from if he's not from Benin? Lol!

You had been long brainwashed into believing in the false idea that people can only be from Benin or nowhere else.

Well, to answer your question:

Oduduwa is from Ile-Ife


And the Yoruba race is several millennials before Oduduwas will ever be conceived.

Although, he later became the first person to unify all the many 13 or 15 Ile-Ife kingdom states under one political rule.

He became the first central king of Ile-Ife in addition to all the kings of the different states that have long existed in Ile-Ife.

gregyboy:



Was there anytime the yourbas called thier kings oba if not during the time of the British that made it a renowed title for kings in southern western part of nigeria the britsh changed the king of lagos titled from eleko of eko to oba of lagos which was wrong. the other yorubas adopted the names to refer to as “kings" oba was simply a name coined by eweka he never had a father who stayed with him to give him a title ...the truth here is oba was spread to the west by the britsh because of similarities the British saw with the edo prople and yoruba people and again it was difficult pronouncing most of their titles so to make it easy They call them obas as they knew some of this kings in the west trace thier origin to benin regardless of thier titles, so many benin traditions and words that have become general like that of
The benin head dress
The red beads which is significant to be benins alone
The festac mask
Pounded yam and eguisi
Words like ikebe= ass ,aza= bank so many not to mention people use most of these words and culture not knowing they have origin

SjMbula:
Yes, igbos should show us theirs in Israel, claiming what they are not

TAO11:


I guess it was until the British arrived that the Yorubas had gods who once ruled as kings in Ife, such:

Oba-tala
Oba-lufon
Oba-meri
Oba-luaye
etc.


"OBA" is the INDIGENOUS YORUBA Yoruba word meaning KING! Just like "OGIE" is the INDIGENOUS EDO word meaning KING.

In addition to the word OBA, each Yoruba KINGDOM have DIFFERENT additional word which represent the TITLE of the OBA of that YORUBA KINGDOM, and it is UNIQUE.


Ignorance be making people yarn dust!

gregyboy:


If he was from ile ife who was is parents how did he rise to power where are is linage did he fall from sky was he a migrant

gregyboy:


Lol...you coined words to suit your claims

Oba lufon meaning "king lufon" but how come all the gods are bearing oba there must be a conspiracy here .the oba use in this name was more of “god lufon" and not king lufon as you proclaim .
i could also say benin kings in the ogiso era bore oba godo ,oba khawaye to counter your claims...fact been said with no bias the british influenced the word oba in the westjust the way it did to the popular lagos title eleko to oba

Unlimitk:

Lol I know all this
Only few ppl on nairaland can argue with me on history
I've read about almost all country on earth
So I know what he was saying
He was trying to derail d thread
I'm the last person u should be telling all these

TAO11:



You lied!

Ughoton wasn't founded until the end of the Ogiso dynasty when Ekaladerhan was banished.

In fact, during the last few years of the reign of the last Ogiso when Ekaladerhan founded Ughoton after his banishment; Ughoton existed as a separate and independent settlement.

It wasn't until well into the time of the Oba dynasty that the village of Ughoton became absorbed into the new expanding kingdom, i.e. Benin kingdom.

Kokoebapluse:




According to ifa ( Oracle)( odu) means something like title or let say topic.

And( iwa) means character. As ifa ( Oracle) say and show about destiny of odudua it means (title of character) and they name him after his destiny according ifa view, but as time passes on and people pronounced change it as normal thing as we all know so they turn it to odudua, but his real name is (odu iwa.)

omohz:



you lied ,
ughotton was the port city in benin city, it even cited in several journals , and you claim you know a lot about benin city . even foreign researcher makes notes of ughotton been there during the ogiso era. it was a city of so much wealth, what does UWA mean in yoruba.

compton11:
guarani is native america language speaking in paraguay

TAO11:


Aworis own the Island too.

In fact the Island was their first settlement when they first arrived in the Lagos region from Ile-Ife.

It wasn't until at least a century later before the foreign Bini invaders joined them on their Island settlement.

Although the foreign Bini invaders' monarchy was later sacked by the indigenous Yoruba people after their fourth Bini rule.

TAO11:


Listen to Oba Ewuare II when he also agrees with the Yorubas that:

Oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin and that he is from Ile-Ife.

Refer from time 13:22 to time 13:41


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Also, Oranmiyan in Yoruba means:

My problem is solved.

Oran-mi = My problem, my issue, or my crime, etc.

Yan = Solved or resolved.

I'm not sure what you need the meaning for, but that's it.

Thanks!

TAO11:


Decree (or power) which brings forth existence!

I'm still unsure what you would use all these meanings for.

But certainly it's good to always learn.

TAO11:


Lol, I coined words? Whatever make you feel unbittered!

Your smartphone with internet connection can also help you relieve ignorance since you're obviously stumbling upon certain words and information for the first time.

gods were real human before they were admitted into pantheons. These specific guys ruled as kings in some of the states of Ile-Ife.

And no Yoruba uses the word "Oba" as meaning "God" it's always "King"

It goes to rubbish your claim that "Oba" wasn't until the British arrived.

The Yorubas had all their gods intact (including Obalufon, Obatala, Obameri, Obaluaye, etc) before the arrival of the British.

You're doing damage control now!

May be you should tell us what the Edo words "OGIE" and "OGISO" actually mean.

And after that tell us when the word "OBA" first replaced the word "OGISO" and "OGIE" and why the replacement in Edo-land

TAO11:


You obviously know next to nothing!

"Ughoton was the port city in Benin City "

I'm shocked that you feigned blind to where I already wrote that Ughoton became part of Benin City.

What I called you out for is your lie that:

During the Ogiso dynasty Igodomigido stretched to Ugoton. That's a white lie!

Name me the source (with full referencing) where you claimed you found this lie and I will expose you right here. Quote the words as found in your so-called source.


Ugoton was not founded until during the last few years of the very last Ogiso of Igodomigido.

Ughoton was founded by Ekaladerhan the son of the same last Ogiso who was banished from Igodomigido.

And Ughoton remained as a separate and distinct settlement that even fought some battles with Igodomodo.

It wasn't until after the Ogiso era and well into the Oba ear that Ughoton fell to the new expanding kingdom called Benin kingdom.

Stop the lies!


And "Uwa" in the context of Oduduwa's name means "EXISTENCE"

In a different context it means "character" or "moral".

How will these answers help the argument you should be making?

But anyways it's always good to learn.

TAO11:


Lol, I coined words? Whatever make you feel unbittered!

Your smartphone with internet connection can also help you relieve ignorance since you're obviously stumbling upon certain words and information for the first time.

gods were real human before they were admitted into pantheons. These specific guys ruled as kings in some of the states of Ile-Ife.

And no Yoruba uses the word "Oba" as meaning "God" it's always "King"

It goes to rubbish your claim that "Oba" wasn't until the British arrived.

The Yorubas had all their gods intact (including Obalufon, Obatala, Obameri, Obaluaye, etc) before the arrival of the British.

You're doing damage control now!

May be you should tell us what the Edo words "OGIE" and "OGISO" actually mean.

And after that tell us when the word "OBA" first replaced the word "OGISO" and "OGIE" and why the replacement in Edo-land

omohz:


oduduwa father was the last ogiso, then tell me why oranmiya was called to rule benin when there was no heir for the beginning kingdom again .

compton11:
they cant speak shit.

osusuallstars:
Do they speak and understand Yoruba

TAO11:


Just like I may ask you:

What are the NAMES of the parents of OGISO IGODO (who was the 1st Ogiso of Igodomigodo)?

Where there people in Igodomigodo land before he ruled as king?

How did he rise to power?

Did he fall from the sky?

Did he grow out from the soil like a plant?

If you don't know the NAMES of his parents (among other questions here), DO we then conclude that IGODO is a migrant to Igodomigodo from CHINA?

Your particular questions here in the context of our exchange here is an indication of a quite poor logic!

However, this is not to say there are no answers to your question. I am only pointing out how the questions in no way helps your point.

But for the sake of learning, I have once read a really well researched and detailed work that answers these questions viz.: "A History of the Yoruba People"

by a University of South Florida Professor who is also one of the world's leading historians and researchers on Yoruba history: S. Banji Akintoye.

You could refer to this book for your question and more further questions you may have. But if I find it before you, I'd definitely put it up here.

gwinaB:


Thanks. But his father does not agree with that stand

gregyboy:


Are you saying you dont by the idea of the oduduwa by your brothers saying he fell from sky or came from mecca.....
Ogiso where men whom adress themselves as gods here on earth they brought the now benin into existence.... The myth of them coming from sky was the overrated stories told by the then ogiso of olds which izoduwa took to ile ife to proclaim many yoruba Reverend him so much they believe it....

You are the first person to say oduduwa brought all yorubas into organization hmm the normal stories we hear is migration resulting in finding new lands.and untill awolowo united all yourubas in 90 not oduduwa...odudwa knew nothing of anything you speak of him now many yoruba historian believe he was the founder of the yoruba race....this leaves me a question for you who is the founder of the yoruba race

gregyboy:

ogie meaning royalty
ogiso kings from the sky or royalty from the sky let it not be confuse as king

oba : king and not royalty

ogiemien who stumbled upon the throne after the death of ogiso had no ogiso linage an oracle was consulted and the progenitor of ogiso was found in ife whom later was the grandson of izoduwa he was later brought to benin but he couldnt cope with the rationality of the benin people, he had to leave leaving behind is son. the son grew up with no father he was simply trained by chiefs after he succeeded removing ogiemien the commoner from the throne he came up with a title oba(shinning) coined from the word white(ba) in edo which was later refer to as king

TAO11:


Lies!

"OGIE" means "KING" and

"OGISO" (from: OGIE and ISO) means "SKY-KING"

It doesn't even sound any close (by any stretch of the imagination) to the Yoruba word for "KING" i.e. "OBA"

The word "OBA" for "KING" is alien to Edo lexicon.

An entirely different EDO word which is also spelt as O-B-A but IS PRONOUNCED ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY doesn't not mean "KING".

Not only does it sound differently and pronounced differently; it also have a different meaning from "king".

It means "to shine" as used for the sun or something bright. The word is not even a noun.

And contrary to your twisting and spinning it has been part of Edo lexicon since time immemorial and it has always been used to convey the idea of "shining".

It wasn't coined by any Izoduwa. It has always been used by the Edos to describe the concept of brightness it shinning. It has always been part of the Edo lexicon Otherwise what was the Edo word for "shining" or "to shine", etc. prior to your imaginary coinange? Lol!



The word "OBA" meaning "KING" on the other hand is:

1. Is pronounced differently

2. Sounds differently

3. Have a different meaning

4. Was alien to Edo lexicon prior to Oranmiyan.


You need to stop lying to yourself!

omohz:



lie, how do the last ogiso son find ughotton , what battle did they fight against benin. some one who was orders be executed . you know nothing about history.

Gaddafithe2nd:

Yes, they are your brothers and sisters across the Atlantic. We still have many of them in Cuba, Haiti and other Carribean nations.

gregyboy:


nothing like sky kings gal....
we have only one sky king osanobua....(the sky king)

run along girl go do some makeup let the men argue

gwinaB:


That's not correct. Please read peoples and empires of West Africa by G.T Stride and C. Ifeka, Robert Smith's book on Yoruba and other literatures on this

TAO11:


OGISO means SKY-KING a.k.a "KING from the SKY"

Go argue with your fellow Edos on this or perhaps with the Oba of Benin.

They see themselves as gods doesn't really mean I agree that they are really gods.

But at least that's what they and the ancient people see them as.

And "Ogiso" means "Sky-King"! Don't let your fellow Binis catch you arguing against this fact.

gregyboy:



Ogie royalty

Enogie: royalty at viillage level

Oba king

Osa( God)

Ogiso royalties from sky children of osa the god king