TAO11:


Poor boy, it's actually the other way round.

It's actually the Edos who did not have a documented history of their own prior to British rule.

The first documentation of anything about Benin history, culture, language, etc. by an indigenous Edo person didn't appear until Egharevba (1937); that is to say, after British rule had started.

You asked for it, so don't cry!

The Yorubas on the other hand wrote about their own history, culture, language, etc. as early Ajayi Crowther (1840s).

Another one noteworthy is (although few years into British rule) by Moses Lijadu. Guess what he competed his writing in the same year that the British burnt down Benin kingdom and paraded and expelled Oba Ovanramwen from Benin to Calabar where he died like a pauper.

Again, you asked for it.

If you really think Oranmiyan was never installed as Oba, then please take it up with your king who said clearly in the video I posted that:

ORANMIYAN from IFE ... become the FIRST OBA of Benin

But even if you think he wasn't and that it was his Yoruba kid son, then that's even a bigger slap on your face.

The Youruba dynasty starting from Oranmiyan or his Yoruba son "OWOMIKA" continues interrupted till date in your to village and their is nothing anyone if you loser can do about it.

And regarding your Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, or Ekalderhan that you losers can't even agree on a name; we don't know him in Yoruba land and we don't care if your prince was exciled or banished (I think y'all have some sad history of prince/king banishment).

No western scholar in the whole wide world accepts the Bini desperation that Ekaladerhan ressurected from the dead at Ughoton and then proceeded to be king somewhere else.

Why should I accept the nonsense when scholars don't?

The most important fact is that Oranmiyan has installed a Yoruba dynasty (whether directly or through his own son) in far away Igodomigodo which he later changed to Benin.

it is izoduwa nothing like the rest names you put up there we ain't as dump as tge undocumented tribe of over 50million ...big foe nothing slaves of the Caribbean.... nevertheless odiduwa wasnt from the sky neither from mecca but edo you claim yorubas started documentation during the 18century when edos started documentations farback 13centuries on art ,songs ...izoduwa appeared in a savaged village dressed in the benin atire and they saw him as a god.....just the way yorubas saw the whitemen as gods and sold their lands and people to them... the history of the yorubas is not complete without the british distortions. they gave the yoruba obas,taught them how to write too

gregyboy:


it is izoduwa nothing like the rest names you put up there we ain't as dump as tge undocumented tribe of over 50million ...big foe nothing slaves of the Caribbean.... nevertheless odiduwa wasnt from the sky neither from mecca but edo you claim yorubas started documentation during the 18century when edos started documentations farback 13centuries on art ,songs ...izoduwa appeared in a savaged village dressed in the benin atire and they saw him as a god.....just the way yorubas saw the whitemen as gods and sold their lands and people to them... the history of the yorubas is not complete without the british distortions. they gave the yoruba obas,taught them how to write too

Just listen to your balderdash. So someone will just walk into your village in from a neighbouring town and you will just make him your leader and start to adore him? Like seriously? You guys should be best ignored.

gregyboy:


it is izoduwa nothing like the rest names you put up there we ain't as dump as tge undocumented tribe of over 50million ...big foe nothing slaves of the Caribbean.... nevertheless odiduwa wasnt from the sky neither from mecca but edo you claim yorubas started documentation during the 18century when edos started documentations farback 13centuries on art ,songs ...izoduwa appeared in a savaged village dressed in the benin atire and they saw him as a god.....just the way yorubas saw the whitemen as gods and sold their lands and people to them... the history of the yorubas is not complete without the british distortions. they gave the yoruba obas,taught them how to write too

Nothing like Idoduwa?
then read: Air Iyare's "Bini, Ife Dynasties: The True Focus On Our Historical Past", Sunday Observer, 6 May 1973, pp. 12-13.

Nothing like Imadoduwa?
then read: Chief D. N. Oronsaye's "History of the 
Ancient Benin Kingdom and Empire", 1995, Chapter 3.

Nothing like Ekaladerhan?
then you're obviously a gross novice.

In fact, the first ever attempt by the Edos to familiarize and attach themselves to Oduduwa as a Benin prince was by S. B. Omoregie in his so-called "Edo History" -- a typescript publicized circa 1970.

He himself had laid the foundation for the confusion of the Bini people by claiming that the name of the Edo prince who left Igodomigodo to rule Ife was OMONOYAN (pp. 130-136 and pp. 146-149).

So, you have at least five names to deal with not even four:

Ekaladerhan, or Omonoyan, or Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, etc.


You're obviously beginning to sound pained now with your rants that the Yorubas are a big for nothing. Yoruba is not big for nothing. We are big for everything because we helped many backward tribe in many ways:

E.g. We helped the Edos to abandon the word "OGISO" till date and adopt "OBA". Otherwise tell me why the Edos abandoned the word "OGISO".


I have asked you to tell me the name of the Edo history book written by an Edo person prior to Egharevba (1934). You obviously couldn't.

Yet you dared to embarrass yourself and asked me if a Yoruba man wrote any history of Yoruba language, culture, etc. before British rule which I gave you viz. Ajayi Crowther (1840s).

And again you're so dull that you didn't know that 1800s is not 18th century but 19th century

Did you dare talk about ART? You're obviously so ignorant.

Yorubas have been into art many centuries before the Binis will ever cast the first bronze.

Not only that. It was the Yorubas who civilized the Binis into ART.

In other words, we pioneered ART, and we also civilized the less privilege Binis.

Below is an expert testimony to that by Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship. She confirms, in an article entitled "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg", that:

"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE TO MAKE MEMORIAL BRONZES FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE IN BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."

[see also: Egharevba, 1936, pp. 18.]


And Ekaladerhan did not ressurect from the dead to become king in Ife. That's an Edo absurdity.

Also, you're right Oduduwa wasn't fro the sky or Mecca (and no where did I say otherwise), he is from Ife. Just the same way I don't think the first Ogiso is from the Sky of from Italy.



You may also find the following BBC/British Museum expert documentary at the YouTube link below very helpful. 

It is stated therein very clearly and emphatically that the kings of Bini kingdom PAID HOMAGE TO ILE-IFE.


Refer specifically from time 47:16 to time 49:00.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s

TAO11:


Nothing like Idoduwa?
then read: Air Iyare's "Bini, Ife Dynasties: The Truth. Focus On Our Historical Past", Sunday Observer, 6 May 1973, pp. 12-13.

Nothing like Imadoduwa?
then read: Chief D. N. Oronsaye's "History of the 
Ancient Benin Kingdom and Empire", 1995, Chapter 3.

Nothing like Ekaladerhan?
then you're obviously a gross novice.

In fact, the first ever attempt by the Edos to familiarize and attach themselves to Oduduwa as a Benin prince was by S. B. Omoregie in his so-called "Edo History" -- a typescript publicized circa 1970.

He himself had laid the foundation for the confusion of the Bini people by claiming that the name of the Edo prince who left Igodomigodo to rule Ife was OMONOYAN (pp. 130-136 and pp. 146-149).

So, you have at least five names to deal with not even four:

Ekaladerhan, or Omonoyan, or Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, etc.


You're obviously beginning to sound pained now with your rants that the Yorubas are a big for nothing. Yoruba is not big for nothing. We are big for everything because we helped many backward tribe in many ways:

E.g. We helped the Edos to abandon the word "OGISO" till date and adopt "OBA". Otherwise tell me why the Edos abandoned the word "OGISO".


I have asked you to tell me the name of the Edo history book written by an Edo person prior to Egharevba (1937). You obviously couldn't.

Yet you dared to embarrass yourself and asked me if a Yoruba man wrote any history of Yoruba language, culture, etc. before British rule which I gave you viz. Ajayi Crowther (1840s).

And again you're so dull that you didn't know that 1800s is not 18th century but 19th century

Did you dare talk about ART? You're obviously so ignorant.

Yorubas have been into art many centuries before the Binis will ever cast the first bronze.

Not only that. It was the Yorubas who civilized the Binis into ART.

In other words, we pioneered ART, and we also civilized the less privilege Binis.

Below is an expert testimony to that by Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship. She confirms, in an article entitled "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg", that:

"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE TO MAKE MEMORIAL BRONZES FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE IN BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."

[see also: Egharevba, 1936, pp. 18.]


And Ekaladerhan did not ressurect from the dead to become king in Ife. That's an Edo absurdity.

Also, you're right Oduduwa wasn't fro the sky or Mecca (and no where did I say otherwise), he is from Ife. Just the same way I don't think the first Ogiso is from the Sky of from Italy.



You may also find the following BBC/British Museum expert documentary at the YouTube link below very helpful. 

It is stated therein very clearly and emphatically that the kings of Bini kingdom PAID HOMAGE TO ILE-IFE.


Refer specifically from time 47:16 to time 49:00.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s

are you saying the rest account by your fellow brothers are wrong about oduduwa the so called oduduwa yorubas hold esteem has so many different narative to start with ...like i said yorubas lacked documentation before the arrival of the britsh ...the art done by the yorubas was for ornamental purpose and not for documentation..... the Edo's used it for purely documentation... now regarding egharevba who wrote in biaseness with consultation has been disproved on so many occation if you site from egharevba then you are not making any point ...egharevba simply wrote to favour himself from the then western region...yorubas teaching edo art ...i laugh....who takes a egharevba seriuos is not worthy of fact....again the British gave yorubas everything they needed introduced education to them because they surrendered like slaves easily and forced the oba into the yoruba language and the yorubas accepted it thats why you see all yoruba kings having thier respective title as king then attaching oba to it as a matter of fact in 1979 in the meeting of traditional rulers no king from the west had oba to thier names except oba of benin

geosegun:


Just listen to your balderdash. So someone will just walk into your village in from a neighbouring town and you will just make him your leader and start to adore him? Like seriously? You guys should be best ignored.

you talk like you dont know your people when the britsh came they gave way for them easily and sold themselves up... the ooni stool is presently politicalized by tinubu ....the arrival of oduduwa was a prophesy by the gods of ife ...dont tell me you believe on the crap of a diving myth oduduwa

gregyboy:


Ooni you said has its meaning so as oba has it own meaning too. but literarily they both mean king so you and your fellow yorubas brothets should stop fooling yourself and stop making unnecessary tautology the ("ooni" of ife “oba" adetiyan) it is wrong it is simply ooni of ife then his name follows it only shows there is a motive behind adding the oba attach .in the right sense when you mention ooni everyone know you are refferring to a king in ife there is no need for the attachment of oba the British should be blamed for this giving a name to a people not theres the britsh simply saw the oba of benin controlling the south west at thier arrival and simply called those southwest kings oba too just like the northern emirs......no need to trace origin of the name the britsh is at fault here

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gregyboy:


are you saying the rest account by your fellow brothers are wrong about oduduwa the so called oduduwa yorubas hold esteem has so many different narative to start with ...like i said yorubas lacked documentation before the arrival of the britsh ...the art done by the yorubas was for ornamental purpose and not for documentation..... the Edo's used it for purely documentation... now regarding egharevba who wrote in biaseness with consultation has been disproved on so many occation if you site from egharevba then you are not making any point ...egharevba simply wrote to favour himself from the then western region...yorubas teaching edo art ...i laugh....who takes a egharevba seriuos is not worthy of fact....again the British gave yorubas everything they needed introduced education to them because they surrendered like slaves easily and forced the oba into the yoruba language and the yorubas accepted it thats why you see all yoruba kings having thier respective title as king then attaching oba to it as a matter of fact in 1979 in the meeting of traditional rulers no king from the west had oba to thier names except oba of benin

Yorubas don't hold on to mythology as fact. We accept our mythology as mythology, and our fact as fact.

Unlike Oba Erediauwa who claims that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by God Almighty himself.

Yes, you made a statement, without any evidence, that the Yorubas didn't write anything about their history prior to British rule:

But I have shown you with evidence that it is Benin kingdom who doesn't have any indigenous written documentation of its history, culture, language, etc. prior to 1934.

On the other hand, I have shown you that the Yorubas had a modern written account of its history, culture, language as early as the 1840s prior to British rule.

But you obviously are embarrassed with this fact.

Who says the Yorubas did Art ONLY for ornamental purposes?? The answer is: ONLY YOU SAY THAT!

Who disproved Egharevba? It certainly must be Benin e-rats like you who disproved him.

Whether you Binis hate Egharevba or not because he wrote the pure unadultrated truth, he remains the EARLIEST INDIGENOUS EDO HISTORIAN.

And contrary to your lie, his work has been praised by all the leading experts and scholars of Benin history all over the world.

The leading and world-renowned scholar on Benin history, Professor R. E. Bradbury remarked about Egharevba's account of Benin in the following words:

"It has become something of a classic, known and relied upon not only in Nigeria, but by scholars all over the world, (as) ... a valuable, indeed an indispensable, pioneering work."

Professor R. E. Bradbury had lauded J. U. Egharevba for the very thing that later Benin revisionists (such as: S. B. Omoregie; E. Akenzua; D. U. Edebiri; A. Iyare; D. N. Orosanye; N. Omoigui; among other Benin 21st century e-rats) will fail to do, namely:

They all made no attempt to cite the sources of their contrary information or the names of their informants. 

Professor Bradbury had praised Egharevba for gathering his data:

 "from well selected informants who had grown to maturity before 1897. The memories of which they retained of past traditions had not had much time to be overlaid and distorted by pressing interests and new problems of the modern world."

Yes, the Yorubas did Art before Benin and civilized Benin into the practice.

I have quoted you the words of Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship.

She noted in "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg" that:

"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE to make memorial bronzes FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, that they might be made in BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."

What do you have to say?

The same fact is also repeated in the BBC/British Museum video link below from time 47:16 to time 49:00.

It is also clearly mentioned in this video that the kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to IFE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s


Before you talk about the British invasion of South West Nigeria (which the Yorubas did indeed resist), can you please shed some light on:

Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?

Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost naked just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)

Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?

May be you should explain all these first?


Do you still have any mouth to talk about the word "OBA" when you couldn't meet up my challenge that you should explain the etymological origin of the word "OBA" in EDO language and how it corresponds in etymology to the English word "KING"??

You also haven't clarified between your lie that "OBA" was coined by a certain Ekaladerhan; and your round about turn lie that it was coined by OGISO IGODO who lived some 1500 years before Ekaladerhan ??

Please pick one hustle!

And lastly, the Yoruba Kings didn't have to write the word "KING" (i.e. "OBA" ) beside their names IN THE REGISTER OF A MEETING OF KINGS.

All that is necessary is their distinguishing titles which set each "KING" apart from the other "KING".

But for the Benin monarch, he has to write the Yoruba word "OBA" beside his name, because Oranmiyan had given a final order that he does not want to hear the word "OGISO" ever again ... And so it remains till date.

Sundaygeorge:
What is the name of the ...in Brazil,that descend from Yoruba

Yoruba is an ethnic group not a tribe, Africa has ethnicity not tribes.

Brazilian Yorubas can be found all across their country.


1(a)

Nationality: Brazil
Ethnicity: Hispanic

1(b)

Nationality: Brazil
Ethnicity: Portuguese

1(c)

Nationality: Brazil
Ethnicity: Yoruba

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gregyboy:

you talk like you dont know your people when the britsh came they gave way for them easily and sold themselves up... the ooni stool is presently politicalized by tinubu ....the arrival of oduduwa was a prophesy by the gods of ife ...dont tell me you believe on the crap of a diving myth oduduwa[/s]

Hahaha!

It's a pity that you couldn't answer:

1.) Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?


2.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost Unclad just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)

3.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?

Do you mean that Tinubu politicized the Ooni Ife stool just the same way OSHIOMOLE POLITICIZED THE STOOL OF THE OGISO OF BENIN (sorry) OBA OF BENIN??
**(I almost forgot that Oranmiyan already scrapped OGISO)

Yes, Ifa prophesized him and he matched the prophesies when he was born in Ife

And I am also not sure if you digest the idea that the OGISOS literally came down from the SKY.

And I am also not sure if you believe the absurdity, blasphemy and sacrilege uttered by Oba Erediauwa that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by GOD Almighty himself.

TAO11:


Yorubas don't hold on to mythology as fact. We accept our mythology as mythology, and our fact as fact.

Unlike Oba Erediauwa who claims that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by God Almighty himself.

Yes, you made a statement, without any evidence, that the Yorubas didn't write anything about their history prior to British rule:

But I have shown you with evidence that it is Benin kingdom who doesn't have any indigenous written documentation of its history, culture, language, etc. prior to 1934.

On the other hand, I have shown you that the Yorubas had a modern written account of its history, culture, language as early as the 1840s prior to British rule.

But you obviously are embarrassed with this fact.

Who says the Yorubas did Art ONLY for ornamental purposes?? The answer is: ONLY YOU SAY THAT!

Who disproved Egharevba? It certainly must be Benin e-rats like you who disproved him.

Whether you Binis hate Egharevba or not because he wrote the pure unadultrated truth, he remains the EARLIEST INDIGENOUS EDO HISTORIAN.

And contrary to your lie, his work has been praised by all the leading experts and scholars of Benin history all over the world.

The leading and world-renowned scholar on Benin history, Professor R. E. Bradbury remarked about Egharevba's account of Benin in the following words:

"It has become something of a classic, known and relied upon not only in Nigeria, but by scholars all over the world, (as) ... a valuable, indeed an indispensable, pioneering work."

Professor R. E. Bradbury had lauded J. U. Egharevba for the very thing that later Benin revisionists (such as: S. B. Omoregie; E. Akenzua; D. U. Edebiri; A. Iyare; D. N. Orosanye; N. Omoigui; among other Benin 21st century e-rats) will fail to do, namely:

They all made no attempt to cite the sources of their contrary information or the names of their informants. 

Professor Bradbury had praised Egharevba for gathering his data:

 "from well selected informants who had grown to maturity before 1897. The memories of which they retained of past traditions had not had much time to be overlaid and distorted by pressing interest and new problems of the modern world."

Yes, the Yorubas did Art before Benin and civilized Benin into the practice.

I have quoted you the words of Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship.

She noted in "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg" that:

"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE to make memorial bronzes FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, that they might be made in BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."

What do you have to say?

The same fact is also repeated in the BBC/British Museum video link below from time 47:16 to time 49:00.

It is also clearly mentioned in this video that the kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to IFE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s


Before you talk about the British invasion of South West Nigeria (which the Yorubas did indeed resist), can you please shed some light on:

Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?

Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost naked just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)

Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?

May be you should explain all these first?


Do you still have any mouth to talk about the word "OBA" when you couldn't meet up my challenge that you should explain the etymological origin of the word "OBA" in EDO language and how it corresponds in etymology to the English word "KING"??

You also haven't clarified between your lie that "OBA" was coined by a certain Ekaladerhan; and your round about turn lie that it was coined by OGISO IGODO who lived some 1500 years before Ekaladerhan ??

Please pick one hustle!

And lastly, the Yoruba Kings didn't have to write the word "KING" (i.e. "OBA" ) beside their names IN THE REGISTER OF A MEETING OF KINGS.

All that is necessary is their distinguishing titles which set each "KING" apart from the other "KING".

But for the Benin monarch, he has to write the Yoruba word "OBA" beside his name, because Oranmiyan had given a final order that he does not want to hear the word "OGISO" ever again ... And so it remains till date.

you dont get it young man history happened during the time of our colonial master one of which was the distortion of our history ,enacting new kings this new kings were giving titles as oba ,the old kings picked the names oba too a good example is the oba of lagos ....the word oba belongs to the Benin's eweka with no influence from his fathers heritage coined the word oba meaning a shinning one

again dont quote from egharevba .his write up was influenced with biogotry from the then western region which he was educated ...writting came to the yorubas at late 1800 fine before then they totally lacked any form of documentation as soon they were given pen to write thier history the wrote it with biasness.. the oba of benin was the only one who bore the name "oba" at the conference of traditional meeting council at 1979 ...this shows the name is peculiar and original to him his influence spread across youruba state before the advent of the britsh is supiority made yorubas to quickly adopt the title "oba" to scare thier counterpart.....
beni art on the other hand was for documentation and this art were way older than that of any ife art go do your research

TAO11:
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Hahaha!

It's a pity that you couldn't answer:

1.) Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?


2.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost Unclad just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)

3.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?

Do you mean that Tinubu politicized the Ooni Ife stool just the same way OSHIOMOLE POLITICIZED THE STOOL OF THE OGISO OF BENIN (sorry) OBA OF BENIN??
**(I almost forgot that Oranmiyan already scrapped OGISO)

Yes, Ifa prophesized him and he matched the prophesies when he was born in Ife

And I am also not sure if you digest the idea that the OGISOS literally came down from the SKY.

And I am also not sure if you believe the absurdity, blasphemy and sacrilege uttered by Oba Erediauwa that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by GOD Almighty himself.

oduduwa fell from sky and came from mecca at thesame time is pure absurdity that should be more worried to you than the oba benin quote ...

gregyboy:



oduduwa fell from sky and came from mecca at thesame time is pure absurdity that should be more worried to you than the oba benin quote ...

Hahaha!

You're so confused that you didn't even know what to type.

You noted that Odudwa didn't come from the sky (unlike your Ogisos who dropped from the sky and unlike the first Oba of Benin who was given birth to by God Almighty according to Erediauwa); and neither was he a Meccan. And I agreed with you while I clarified that he was born in Ife.

Here you are now contradicting yourself in desperation for lack of what to type.

Your case is sorry!

All I know is that your Oba was chained, stripped almost unclad, paraded like an ignoble criminal, disgraced, and then banished like an abomination after the Benin palace and the whole kingdom had been razed to the ground.

I also "know" of how the present stool of the Oba of Benin has been politicized by Oshiomole

gregyboy:



you dont get it young man history happened during the time of our colonial master one of which was the distortion of our history ,enacting new kings this new kings were giving titles as oba ,the old kings picked the names oba too a good example is the oba of lagos ....the word oba belongs to the Benin's eweka with no influence from his fathers heritage coined the word oba meaning a shinning one

again dont quote from egharevba .his write up was influenced with biogotry from the then western region which he was educated ...writting came to the yorubas at late 1800 fine before then they totally lacked any form of documentation as soon they were given pen to write thier history the wrote it with biasness.. the oba of benin was the only one who bore the name "oba" at the conference of traditional meeting council at 1979 ...this shows the name is peculiar and original to him his influence spread across youruba state before the advent of the britsh is supiority made yorubas to quickly adopt the title "oba" to scare thier counterpart.....
beni art on the other hand was for documentation and this art were way older than that of any ife art go do your research

You Benin people and victim mentality are inseparable.

Listen to yourself blaming everyone else because you don't come anywhere close to the Yorubas.

The earlier you accept your position in the scheme of things, the better for your peace of mind.

You sound so incoherent because all your effort is been chanelled towards mustering any stupid reply you can think of.

When did the British alter your history?
What was your history prior to the "alteration"?
What is your history now after the "alteration"?
What is the reputable scholarly source for this victim mentality claim of alteration? Or we should just believe your wishful thinking without evidence, proof, or reason?

Please explain how the British enact or coin the following ancient Yoruba words before their coming to the Nigeria region:

"OBAtala", "OBAmeri", "OBAmakin", "OBAlufe", "OBAluaye", "OBAdio", "OBAlufon", etc.

Tell me what THE Yoruba word for "KING" is and provide your authoritative evidence and proof.

Oh really? Did you just contradict yourself further by claiming that the word "OBA" was COINED by EWEKA.

First you said it was EKALADERHAN who coined it, and then later you said it was OGISO IGODO who coined it, and now you've shifted to saying it was EWEKA 1 who coined.

Make up your mind, you janus-faced liar!


In your failed attempt to demonstrate how the etymology of "OBA" in Edo language corresponds to the word "KING"; you ended up demonstrating that the closest indigenous Edo word which is also spelt "O-B-A":

1.) Has absolutely no correspondence to the word "KING"

2.) And has absolutely no closeness in meaning to the Yoruba word "OBA" (which simply means "KING" ).

This word is one of the only two Edo words which are CLOSEST IN SPELLING to the Yoruba word "OBA".

And it is only in this closeness of spelling that all the similarities end.

Unlike the Yoruba word "OBA", this similarly spelt Edo word doesn't come any close to meaning "KING".

This Edo word comes from the Edo root-word "BA" which SPECIFICALLY means "BRIGHT" or "SHINE".

The derivative "OBA" from "BA" thus may at best mean:

"That which BRIGHTENS" or "That which SHINES".

This Edo word therefore obviously have no etymological relationship with the word "KING" unlike the Yoruba word "OBA" (i.e. "One who DOMINATES, RULES, or PRESIDES" ) which clearly does.

This Edo word is clearly evidently an entirely different word which many low self-esteem Benin e-rats have to resort to in desperation and subjugation.

It is important that I add that whenever the Binis use the word "OBA" for their rulers from Eweka1 to Ewuare2, they do not use it in the absurd and counter-discourse Edo etymological sense of:

" That which SHINES GHA TO KPE E", rather they mean it in the Yoruba etymological sense of " He who RULES GHA TO KPE E". In other words, "KING GHA TO KPE E".

Why not be humble then, and accept the obvious fact that the word "OBA" as applied to Edo kings is a loanword from the Yoruba lexicon to the Edo lexicon through Oranmiyan.

This fact is even clearer when you realize that there is actually an indigenous Edo word for the word "KING" which is "OGIE"

[See one of your many Edo websites that confess this fact below].

Did you e-rat just say that J. U. Egharevba is not authoritative when the leading historians in the world regard his works to be a classic relied upon by scholars not only Nigeria but all over the world as I have quoted to you in the words of Professor R. E. Bradbury??

Hello, hug and kiss the reality! J. U. Egharevba is the earliest, the leading, and the sole authoritative EDO HISTORIAN recognized by scholars all over the world.

Name me one scholar in the world who says otherwise.

You talk about the Yorubas not writing their history until 1800s, but I think you should be concerned about the Edos who didn't write about their own history, culture, language, etc. until in 1934 with the help of the Edo historian J. U. Egharevba whom you detest so much obviously because he let the cat out of the bag.

I have already explained to you why the Benin monarch dared not write "Ogiso" beside his name in the meeting attendance.

It's simply because Oranmiyan had already cursed any Benin king that will fail to attach and familiarize himself with the Yoruba word "Oba".

I have already explained all these, I think you're becoming willfully blind this time around.

On arts, Benin Art just like it's Yoruba predecessor serve both documentation and aesthetic purposes.

And the Ife art is centuries earlier than the Bini Art. Not only that, The bronze art (and metal arts in general) was thought to Benin by Ife through the craftsman IGUE-IGHA who is still being worshipped as a god in Benin till date.

I have demonstrated this already in the evidence I adduced from Margaret Plass as well as the expert documentary I attached. But you obviously don't have anything to say.

TAO11:


You Benin people and victim mentality are inseparable.

Listen to yourself blaming everyone else because you don't come anywhere close to the Yorubas.

The earlier you accept your position in the scheme of things, the better for your peace of mind.

You sound so incoherent because all you effort is been cancelled towards mustering any stupid reply you can think of.

When did the British alter your history?
What was your history prior to the "alteration"?
What is your history now after the "alteration"?
What is the reputable scholarly source for this victim mentality claim of alteration? Or we should just believe your wishful thinking without evidence, proof, or reason?

Please explain how the British enact or coined the following ancient Yoruba words before their coming to the Nigeria region:

"OBAtala", "OBAmeri", "OBAmakin", "OBAlufe", "OBAluaye", "OBAdio", "OBAlufon", etc.

Tell me what THE Yoruba word for "KING" is and provide your authoritative evidence and proof.

Oh really? Did you just contradict yourself further by claiming that the word "OBA" was COINED by EWEKA.

First you said it was EKALADERHAN who coined it, and then later you said it was OGISO IGODO who coined it, and now you've shifted to saying it was EWEKA 1 who coined.

Make up your mind, you janus-faced liar!


In your failed attempt to demonstrate how the etymology of "OBA" in Edo language makes it correspond to the English word "KING"; you ended up demonstrating that the indigenous Edo word which is also spelt as "O-B-A" (just like the Yoruba word for "KING" ):

1.) Has absolutely no correspondence to the English word "KING"

2.) And has absolutely no closeness in meaning to the Yoruba word "OBA" which simply means "KING".

This word is one of the only two Edo which are CLOSEST IN SPELLING to the Yoruba word "OBA". And it is in this closeness of spelling that the similarity ends.

Unlike the Yoruba word "OBA", this similarly spelt Edo word doesn't come any close to meaning "KING".

This EDO word comes from the root-word "BA" which SPECIFICALLY means "BRIGHT" or "SHINE". The derivative "OBA" from "BA" thus means:

"That

i never said ekaladeran coined the word oba i have always said eweka 1 and some history books said it was the first king igodo....
as he his regarded as obagodo yorubas has no real meaning to the world o.b.a it more like a paste name to glamour identity... like i said “ba" mean shinning
o' +ba= shinning one

all the source you have been quoting are irrelevant i have all quoted this sources all before now on previous post on it all fell on deaf hears i wont quote any source like you do..but i will give you guide to go do research ....
British introduced the word oba to the yorubas fact....

those oba you quoted there are simply fairy tales nothing is know of them in history they are made up history and giving the name oba to acclaim the word oba

TAO11:


Hahaha!

You're so confused that you didn't even know what to type.

You noted that Odudwa didn't come from the sky (unlike your Ogisos who dropped from the sky and unlike the first Oba of Benin who was given birth to by God Almighty according to Erediauwa); and neither was he a Meccan. And I agreed with you while I clarified that he was born in Ife.

Here you are now contradicting yourself in desperation for lack of what to type.

Your case is sorry!

All I know is that your Oba was chained, stripped almost unclad, paraded like an ignoble criminal, disgraced, and then banished like an abominatiguy...after the Benin palace and the whole kingdom had been razed to the ground.

I also "know" of how the present stool of the Oba of Benin has been politicized by Oshiomole

again i wouldnt quote source or links...but yorubas account says kings ruled before the advent of oduduwa and your claims says otherwise , and i ask you again do you say your fellow brethren are wrongs for saying oduduwa is a sky diving king or a treaking mecca guy

TAO11:


You Benin people and victim mentality are inseparable.

Listen to yourself blaming everyone else because you don't come anywhere close to the Yorubas.

The earlier you accept your position in the scheme of things, the better for your peace of mind.

You sound so incoherent because all your effort is been chanelled towards mustering any stupid reply you can think of.

When did the British alter your history?
What was your history prior to the "alteration"?
What is your history now after the "alteration"?
What is the reputable scholarly source for this victim mentality claim of alteration? Or we should just believe your wishful thinking without evidence, proof, or reason?

Please explain how the British enact or coin the following ancient Yoruba words before their coming to the Nigeria region:

"OBAtala", "OBAmeri", "OBAmakin", "OBAlufe", "OBAluaye", "OBAdio", "OBAlufon", etc.

Tell me what THE Yoruba word for "KING" is and provide your authoritative evidence and proof.

Oh really? Did you just contradict yourself further by claiming that the word "OBA" was COINED by EWEKA.

First you said it was EKALADERHAN who coined it, and then later you said it was OGISO IGODO who coined it, and now you've shifted to saying it was EWEKA 1 who coined.

Make up your mind, you janus-faced liar!


In your failed attempt to demonstrate how the etymology of "OBA" in Edo language makes it correspond to the English word "KING"; you ended up demonstrating that the indigenous Edo word which is also spelt as "O-B-A" (just like the Yoruba word for "KING" ):

1.) Has absolutely no correspondence to the English word "KING"

2.) And has absolutely no closeness in meaning to the Yoruba word "OBA" which simply means "KING".

This word is one of the only two Edo which are CLOSEST IN SPELLING to the Yoruba word "OBA". And it is in this closeness of spelling that the similarity ends.

Unlike the Yoruba word "OBA", this similarly spelt Edo word doesn't come any close to meaning "KING".

This EDO word comes from the root-word "BA" which SPECIFICALLY means "BRIGHT" or "SHINE".

The derivative "OBA" from "BA" thus may mean:

"That which BRIGHTENS" or "That which SHINES".

This EDO word therefore obviously have no etymological relationship with the word "KING" unlike the Yoruba word "OBA" (i.e. "One who DOMINATES, RULES, or PRESIDES" ) which clearly does.

This EDO word is clearly evidently an entirely different word which many low self-esteem Benin e-rats have to resort to in desperation and subjugation.

It is important that I add that whenever the Binis use the word "OBA" for their rulers from Eweka1 to Ewuare2, they don't use this word in the Edo etymological sense of:

" That which SHINES GHA TO KPE E", rather they mean it in the Yoruba etymological sense of " He who RULES GHA TO KPE E". In other words, "KING GHA TO KPE E".

Why not be humble then, and accept the obvious fact that the word "OBA" as applied to Edo kings is a loanword from the Yoruba lexicon to the Edo lexicon through Oranmiyan.

This fact is even clearer when we realize that there is actually an indigenous Edo word for the English word "KING" which "OGIE"
[See one of your many Edo websites that confess this fact below].

aa you can see from the picture that is an ijesha king dress in the benin regalia this among others the britsh saw and called them oba

gregyboy:


i never said ekaladeran coined the word oba i have always said eweka 1 and some history books said it was the first king igodo....
as he his regarded as obagodo yorubas has no real meaning to the world o.b.a it more like a paste name to glamour identity... like i said “ba" mean shinning
o' +ba= shinning one

all the source you have been quoting are irrelevant i have all quoted this sources all before now on previous post on it all fell on deaf hears i wont quote any source like you do..but i will give you guide to go do research ....
British introduced the word oba to the yorubas fact....

those oba you quoted there are simply fairy tales nothing is know of them in history they are made up history and giving the name oba to acclaim the word oba

According to you Eweka COINED the word "OBA", yet in the same breath you acknowledged that the word is obviously used by IGODO, your first king who dived to Benin from the Sky.

I am now very sure that you have no idea what the word "coin" means, or you've started losing your mind. How do you really plan to get out of this messy contradiction you've put yourself into?

And I have proven above that your "SHINE" etymology is an after-thought farce which doesn't add up.

J. U. Egharevba is irrelevant to you, R. E. Bradbury is irrelevant to you, Margarat Plass is irrelevant to you, The British Museum account of Ife-Benin relationship is irrelevant to you; yet you want to discuss Ife-Benin connection.

I guess what would be relevant to you is a beer parlour gist by Bini drunkards and Edo prostitutes!

You keep barking repeatedly about British, yet you can't substantiate your claim with one line (just one line or pixel) of evidence. Isn't this interesting?


I have added more stuff for you in my previous comment. Although I know you don't know how to respond, but at least you would have learnt a whole deal at the end of all these, just as I have made you learn a lot so far

gregyboy:


again i wouldnt quote source or links...but yorubas account says kings ruled before the advent of oduduwa and your claims says otherwise , and i ask you again do you say your fellow brethren are wrongs for saying oduduwa is a sky diving king or a treaking mecca guy

Of course I know you can't quote any expert statement to back up anything you say or will say. I know already that you can't because experts don't say nonsense.

Please point out where I mentioned that before Oduduwa rose to prominence there were no kings in Ife. I challenge you!

No single Yoruba scholar says that Oduduwa came down LITERALLY from the sky. Yoruba scholars know better that.

They understand that this story of the gods coming to the earth from the sky is no more than one of many Yoruba mythologies, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS CLASSIFIED IT AS SUCH.

And regarding your mention of Mecca, yes people travel far and wide even in ancient times. And it is not implausible that Odudwa could have sojourned to the Middle East/North Africa region and later returned to seize the mantle of leadership in Ife by uniting all the kingdom-states of Ife under one political rule.

But for the Benins ALL YOUR 32 OGISO RULERS dived into Benin city from the sky.

Also, your first OBA of Benin was given birth to by GOD Almighty. How stupid is Oba Erediauwa for saying this?

gregyboy:


aa you can see from the picture that is an ijesha king dress in the benin regalia this among others the britsh saw and called them oba

You're clearly not very bright.

A Yoruba king dresses in a particular way. And since the Benin king dresses that way too, then it must be that the Yoruba king copied. Lol!

What about, it must be that the Benin king copied?

Oh, I see you haven't thought about that.

Okay let me burst your bubble. The images below are ancient Ife bronze castings excavated in Ile-Ife and dated to centuries before the Benin bronzes.

The regalia on the chest of the two images 15 and 16, as well as the ones on the chest of the royal couple with interlocked hands and feet shows clearly that:

It is an ancient Yoruba regalia which was later introduced to other cultures including Benin and of course through Oranmiyan the Yoruba prince who went there to offer spiritual and political direction.

Refer to:

Blier, Suzanne Preston. “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”. African Arts 45.4 (2012) for details of this bronzes. You can also find them online.

TAO11:


You're clearly not very bright.

A Yoruba king dresses in a particular way. And since the Benin king dresses that way too, then it must be that the Yoruba king copied. Lol!

What about, it must be that the Benin king copied?

Oh, I see you haven't thought about that.

Okay let me burst your bubble. The images below are ancient Ife bronze castings excavated in Ile-Ife and dated to centuries before the Benin bronzes.

The regalia on the chest of the two images 15 and 16, as well as the ones on the chest of the royal couple with interlocked hands and feet shows clearly that:

It is an ancient Yoruba regalia which was later introduced to other cultures including Benin and of course through Oranmiyan the Yoruba prince who went there to offer spiritual and political direction.

Refer to:

Blier, Suzanne Preston. “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”. African Arts 45.4 (2012) for details of this bronzes. You can also find them online.

you are clearly very dull you see a complete benin regalia on odudiwa you still mention your mouth to claim its off yoruba origin...ozuo a benin rounded bed and hand beads worn by oduduwa already tells you oduduwa guy is from benin
you keep saying oduduwa is from ife when all your historians claim others you better accept the truth that oduduwa wasn't indigenous to ife this was the reason oduduwa percularity spread across ife ....

if you continue insisting oduduwa was from ife then its an end discussion from me you seem to lie alot ....

gregyboy:


you are clearly very dull you see a complete benin regalia on odudiwa you still mention your mouth to claim its off yoruba origin...ozuo a benin rounded bed and hand beads worn by oduduwa already tells you oduduwa guy is from benin
you keep saying oduduwa is from ife when all your historians claim others you better accept the truth that oduduwa wasn't indigenous to ife this was the reason oduduwa percularity spread across ife ....

if you continue insisting oduduwa was from ife then its an end discussion from me you seem to lie alot ....

1.) Firstly, coral, tubular, and glass beads were produced in Ife and not in Benin kingdom. Go read up on that!

2.) Those ancient Ife bronze castings you see date to centuries before the Benin bronzes.

3.) Virtually all ancient Benin bronzes do not have these particular beaded regalia of a few round beads on top of a couple of longer beads.

The fact that we DON'T see this particular regalia on ancient Benin bronzes (but we see them on Benin kings today) shows that this particular style of few round beads a-top a couple of longer beads is clearly a later introduction to Benin by Ife, because we obviously have seen this particular style of beaded regalia on the older Ife bronzes.

4.) Are you telling me that Benin people now have, or once had, PARALLEL VERTICAL ETHNIC FACIAL SCARIFICATION as seen on these Ife bronzes, and as used to be the case in the past in Ife in one of the ruling dynasties?

If so, show me one ancient Benin bronze cast (just one) that has this parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification. None exist.

In other words, these bronze castings I have attached above and below are not of a Benin person, but rather of an IFE-Yoruba king in his full ceremoniall beaded regalia which was later introduced to Benin by Oranmiyan.


**See the attached image below for an up-close of the parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification on the Ooni Ife as depicted by the bronze casting.

And let me know if the Binis (in the past or present) have this particular practice of vertical parallel ethnic facial scarification.

**Also below is a PHOTOGRAPH of an Ife man with the same facial ethnic scarification prominent among one of the ruling dynasties of Ife.

I have said it before that you're not bright and it's becoming more and more obvious to you.

And Oduduwa is indigenous to Ile-Ife even though he could have sojourned back and forth to different regions of the ancient world.

Bring on your contrary evidence if you have any, and if you have none, then you are free to run away as you already claimed that you will.

TAO11:


1.) First coral, tubular, and glass beads were produced in Ife and not in Benin kingdom. Go read up on that!

2.) Those ancient Ife bronze castings you see dates to centuries before the Benin bronzes.

3.) Virtually all ancient Benin bronzes do not have these particular beaded regalia of a few round beads on top of a couple of longer beads.

The fact that you don't see them on ancient Benin bronzes shows that the beaded regalia is clearly a later introduction by the Ifes to Benin because we onviously have seen these particular style of beaded regalia in the older Ife bronzes.

4.) Are you telling me now that Benin people now have or once had PARALLEL VERTICAL FACIAL SCARIFICATION as seen on these Ife bronzes, and as used to be the case in the past in Ife in one of the ruling dynasties?

If so, show me one ancient Benin bronze cast that has this parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification. None exist.

In other words, these bronze casting I have shown here are not of a Benin person, but rather of an Yoruba king in his full ceremoniall beaded regalia which was later introduced to Benin by Oranmiyan.


**See the attached image below for an up-close of the parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification on the king depicted by the bronze casting. And let me know if Binis (in the past or present) have this practice of facial scarification.

**Also below is a PHOTOGRAPH of an Ife man with the same facial ethnic scarification prominent among one of the ruling dynasties of Ife.

I have said it before that you're not bright and it's becoming more and more obvious to you.

you're so dumb in all your illustration don't have time to quote long pages ...as you do

nevertheless because we didnt illustrate our art like that doesnt change the fact its a Benin trad regalia... benin art work didnt depcit any benin prince in its art work and that bead on oduduwa its a typical Benin regalia for a benin prince.and for the king its a cone headed bead a typical dressing that depicit oduduwa regalia is that of olu of warri ...prior to the Portuguese benin never made use of red beads but they had other beads which was not as strong as the Portuguese beads those beads Portuguese saw and decided to bring a more solid beads for the oba for trade....dull boy

gregyboy:


you're so dumb in all your illustration don't have time to quote long pages ...as you do

nevertheless because we didnt illustrate our art like that doesnt change the fact its a Benin trad regalia... benin art work didnt depcit any benin prince in its art work and that bead on oduduwa its a typical Benin regalia for a benin prince.and for the king its a cone headed bead a typical dressing that depicit oduduwa regalia is that of olu of warri ...prior to the Portuguese benin never made use of red beads but they had other beads which was not as strong as the Portuguese beads those beads Portuguese saw and decided to bring a more solid beads for the oba for trade....dull boy

Hahaha, you're sounding very desperate and frustrated now.

And also coming up with nothing but excuses.

You said you don't have enough time to provide evidence. But you have enough time to to type up unsubstantiated false claims, right?

Why not chanell the same energy and time you use in typing up unsubstantiated false claims into providing the evidence for your claims?

You said the Binis didn't illustrate their art with the actual reality on ground. But they illustrated it with another reality, right? I hope you do listen to yourself.

Yeah, this specific beaded regalia on the Ife bronze is a Yoruba regalia introduced later to Benin.

We know this because:

(1) No Benin bronze have such specific regalia.

(2) The person depicted by the Ife bronze is an Ife man and not a Benin man because Binis don't have such vertical parallel ethnic facial scarification

The above two are the specific issues that you should address and not about what color of beads the Itsekiris (a Yoruboid language speaking people) used and introduced to the Benis

The issue is also not about whether Portuguese introduced soft or solid beads to Benin.

[The bronze castings we are dealing with here are even many centuries before the Portugese's arrival in the Nigeria region.]

The real issue here is about the fact that available hard archaeological evidence shows that the specific beaded regalia in question here emanates from Ile-Ife to other southern Nigeria cultures including the Binis and the Itsekiris as seen in the above pictures of the Olu Warri and Owa Obokun Adimula Ijesa.

Lastly, I am not sure why you have to sign your name "dull boy" as a complementary close at the end of your comment above.

This Bini children of Yoruba keep on spinning stories. Each time they see Yoruba outside Nigeria, they wish they can relate.

Unfortunately, their Ogiso landlords want to kick them out and even obtained court order humiliating them.

No amount of selling your royal father's Yoruba heritage will appease those Oranmiyan conquered slaves. Giving up your Yoruba names will not help.

What biz has Brazil, Cuba and West Africa Yoruba got to do with Igodomiodo?

TAO11:


Hahaha, you're sounding very desperate and frustrated now.

And also coming up with nothing but excuses.

You said you don't have enough time to provide evidence. But you have enough time to to type up unsubstantiated false claims, right?

Why not chanell the same energy and time you use in typing up unsubstantiated false claims into providing the evidence for your claims?

You said the Binis didn't illustrate their art with the actual reality on ground. But they illustrated it with another reality, right? I hope you do listen to yourself.

Yeah, this specific beaded regalia on the Ife bronze is a Yoruba regalia introduced later to Benin.

We know this because:

(1) No Benin bronze have such specific regalia.

(2) The person depicted by the Ife bronze is an Ife man and not a Benin man because Binis don't have such vertical parallel ethnic facial scarification

The above two are the specific issues that you should address and not about what color of beads the Itsekiris (a Yoruboid language speaking people) used and introduced to the Benis

The issue is also not about whether Portuguese introduced soft or solid beads to Benin.

[The bronze castings we are dealing with here are even many centuries before the Portugese's arrival in the Nigeria region.]

The real issue here is about the fact that available hard archaeological evidence shows that the specific beaded regalia in question here emanates from Ile-Ife to other southern Nigeria cultures including the Binis and the Itsekiris as seen in the above pictures of the Olu Warri and Owa Obokun Adimula Ijesa.

Lastly, I am not sure why you have to sign your name "dull boy" as a complementary close at the end of your comment above.

Spot on. This is a deadly Upper cut. I am not sure greyboy can survive this... such a dull revisionist.

geosegun:


Spot on. This is a deadly Upper cut. I am not sure greyboy can survive this... such a dull revisionist.

Dont mind that poor Benin boy. They rejoice too much on falsehoods hence the reason I decided to make the time for him.

He has no idea that he jammed the wrong one, lol! He bought market!

I was going to give him the image below of a bronze cast of an Ooni of Ife that by tradition has to be placed in the palace at Benin kingdom.

It was excavated from the Benin palace. He obviously knows nothing about this.

It can be seen in Blier, Suzanne Preston. “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”. African Arts 45.4 (2012)

The same fact is also mentioned in the British Museum documentary below from time 49:22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s

Gaddafithe2nd:

Exactly! Till today when an Ekiti or Ikale man/woman is speaking I will just keep quiet to listen to what he or she is saying.

The Ekiti dialect which is spoken in my town in Ekiti State is a bit different from the one which is spoken in Ado-Ekiti, Igede-Ekiti, Oye-Ekiti, etc.

Unlimitk:

I'm ekiti and I noticed d Bini influence in my state
Many Yoruba towns up to kwara had Bini influence, including bishop oyedepo town omu aran,I've seen d pic of first king of omu aran dressing like oba of Benin in 1945
I've seen d influences of Bini in ekiti and ondo states clearly
But as time went on u have to understand people change with religion and environment as factor
Bini empire was great no doubt,but everything Has changed
I'm ekiti but I don't hear or speak ekiti dialect
Most Yorubas now only speak d popular central Yoruba we all speak, even I've seen Yorubas of kogi west complaining of losing their dialects to central Yoruba
That's just how it is
For now the only thing d bini ppl have is their past, no other tribe claim them because they want to b part of big 3 tribes in Nigeria, it is also happening to northern minority with d Hausa stuff
I'm sorry but that's just d fact

Bro, what is the name of your town in Ekiti State?

Igbobyblood:
Benin is greater than Yoruba

gwinaB:


It's wrong to call an entire people useless

You're totally right.

ekitimanalways:
Bro, what is the name of your town in Ekiti State?

aisegba in gbonyi

ekitimanalways:

The Ekiti dialect which is spoken in my town in Ekiti State is a bit different from the one which is spoken in Ado-Ekiti, Igede-Ekiti, Oye-Ekiti, etc.

Really! I thought Ekiti people speak the same dialect. Interesting!