valirex:


Nigga are you gay?

the analogy was used on you, so I should be asking, are you gay?

Ideadoctor:
I won't watch you feed lies to people, even if it is in your trend! watch your words too

Well I will continue preaching the truth, and you can't stop me

valirex:


Well I will continue preaching the truth, and you can't stop me

The way these guys masturbate over Benin matter Na lie o.
They say they are telling the truth.
What incentive have they to say the truth? None because they want to create modern imperialism because they failed on the battlefields back then.

What they forget is that Europeans witnessed Benin wars from about 1500 AD and documented them.

The cross dresser so desperately wants my attention that he-she is madly provocative posting. I won't indulge any fool.

valirex:


Oni was a chief priest before Awolowo changed things, that was also around the time Awolowo made the Ogiame of Itsekiri the Olu of Warri.
If you go back in history the Northern part of Yoruba land was under the control of the Alafin of Oyo and the Southern part was under the control of the Ọba of Benin.

Benin was once so powerful that the Alaafin paid tributes to the Oba of Benin. Even after Benin started declining in the later part of the 19th century the Alaafin of Oyo still rely heavily on the Oba of Benin for army to help him secure his territory.

What I wrote above was written by British governor in 1911 who the Alaafin visited and told this history, so it is an eyewitness historical account.

Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

valirex:


Well I will continue preaching the truth, and you can't stop me

According the prevalent myths of Ooni of Ife before his 1930 political elevation.

S. Johnson said in his book, The History of the Yorubas that the Ooni of Ife was a descendant of a mere shrine keeper, rather than real royalty (a myth which had actually been prevalent in other parts of Yorubaland even before Johnson wrote his book; the historian Robin Law cites other instances of this myth about the Ooni of Ife being some kind of shrine keeper or non-royalty existing in other parts of Yorubaland dating from before and after Johnson's book was published).

Ideadoctor:
oh God! lady you are disappointing me already! Ooni is a king and a priest,that is why Oba and alaafin were able to descend through him,oduduwa was the first Ooni, the most respected ruler of ife the cradle of Yoruba civilization, don't mind these Benin bigots they want to tarnish the office of our Ooni so that the sit of their Oba will be exalted,I won't say more than these, and you devil children gregy and co continue, the lord is your strength, fantastic liars

King and a priest?
Wow!
How was he able to manage both at the same time?

Pa3cia:

King and a priest?
Wow!
How was he able to manage both at the same time?

you can believe what you want

samuk:
[s]Benin was once so powerful that the Alaafin paid tributes to the Oba of Benin. Even after Benin started declining in the later part of the 19th century the Alaafin of Oyo still rely heavily on the Oba of Benin for army to help him secure his territory.

What I wrote above was written by British governor in 1911 who the Alaafin visited and told this history, so it is an eyewitness historical account.

Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute[/s]

Summary For Quick Referencing

(1) “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

(2) No Relationship Between Ife and Benin Prior To The 1800s ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

(3) Binis Militarily Invaded, Conquered, Settled in Lagos; and then Installed an Edo Prince as The First King ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

(5) Benin Obtained TRIBUTES from OYo ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

(6) Benin Ruled Certain Eastern-Yoruba Kingdoms ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494

Cheers!

Guys,please I need help,I was writing a story, in the literature section but now anytime I want to update the story the screen will display" you can't try this at the moment, wait for a few hours" now I have waited for many hours,but the result is still the same,guys please help

Gregyboy boy
Tao11
Valirex

Oya na,I need advice from anybody, what should I do?

Ideadoctor:
Guys,please I need help,I was writing a story, in the literature section but now anytime I want to update the story the screen will display" you can't try this at the moment, wait for a few hours" now I have waited for many hours,but the result is still the same,guys please help

Gregyboy boy
Tao11
Valirex

I think you should contact the mods for this, I believe you have been probably locked out of your post

valirex:


I think you should contact the mods for this, I believe you have been probably locked out of your post

please how do I contact the mods,am new in things like this

Am even thinking on opening new account, but if I do,I don't know if I will still have access to the story

Ideadoctor:
please how do I contact the mods,am new in things like this

Make a comment in that thread and tag the mod for literature section

valirex:


Make a comment in that thread and tag the mod for literature section

thanks valirex, I just discovered from my profile that I have been banned by the antispams till 12:33 tomorrow

samuk:
S. Johnson said in his book, The History of the Yorubas that the Ooni of Ife was a descendant of a mere shrine keeper, rather than real royalty (a myth which had actually been prevalent in other parts of Yorubaland even before Johnson wrote his book; the historian Robin Law cites other instances of this myth about the Ooni of Ife being some kind of shrine keeper or non-royalty existing in other parts of Yorubaland dating from before and after Johnson's book was published).

Wonderful!

It’s interesting to see how you cited Professor Robin C. C. Law on this variant tradition even while the whole of his own article was essentially a refutation of the same variant traditions which had been collected by Johnson, et al. in Oyo, etc.

To quote this same historian where he debunks these variant traditions as spurious, Professor Robin C. C. Law writes on page 212 of his “The Heritage of Oduduwa” as follows:

“Certain traditions relating to the ancestry of the Oni of Ife appear to have been devised specifically in order to counter the Oni's very plausible claim to paramount status. ... This denial of true royal ancestry to the Oni of Ife offered an opportunity for other kings to claim for themselves primacy of status among the descendants of Oduduwa.”

After combing through all the evidence, Professor Robin C. C. Law then summarizes his find on the last page as follows:

“SUMMARY
••• The article considers the political implications of the Yoruba traditions of origin, and seeks to relate the existence of certain variants of the tradition to the use of it for purposes of political propaganda. In particular, it is suggested that the tradition was manipulated and modified in an attempt to support the claims to paramountcy of the king of Oyo, when this kingdom became the most powerful state in the Yoruba area during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries•••”.

According the prevalent myths of Ooni of Ife before his 1930 political elevation.

Regarding your oft-repeated laughable claim of 1930 pOLitIcAL eLeVaTiOn, I am super curious to know what this so-called elevation is, and who was responsible for the so-called elevation.

In your reply to this, please bear in mind that:

(1) The attached screenshots below are pages from a paper published in the year 1903. The details of the council’s meeting published therein had been held in the same year. ~ “Native Crowns”, Journal of the Royal African Society Vol. 2, No. 7 (Apr., 1903).

(2) Awolowo was born in the year 1909. I really hope that Awolowo doesn’t have such miraculous power with which he elevates the ranks of kings even before he himself was born. LMAO!

Cc: Ideadoctor, Pa3cia, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, TheLionofLasigi, reallest, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Newton85, sesan85, yanabasee, pierocash, othermen

Pa3cia:

King and a priest?
Wow!
How was he able to manage both at the same time?

I like how you think, the Oni (Priest) current post is also available in Benin kingdom and it's referred to as Ogiefa

Pa3cia:

King and a priest?
Wow!
How was he able to manage both at the same time?

The image attached by the OP traces to only one source as diverse and as versatile as the World-Wide-Web is.

The image traces only to a post from an unverified Facebook page of a certain apparent amateur who, nonetheless, self-certified theirs as a history page.

This singular originator of this image (and Facebook post) — from where our OP has simply lifted word-for-word and image-for-image — was severely roasted in the comment section of their own Facebook post for misinforming the public.

Guess what, this poster (despite the multiple and consistent heavy criticisms in the comment section) dared not name even one source to prove that the individual in the picture was indeed an Ooni, much less substantiate the authenticity of their uncorroborated and sourceless footnote.

There is simply no evidence anywhere in all of history pages to back up his mischievous association of the Ooni of Ife with IfA priesthood.


Do not take every information/image online at face value. Do your own thorough check if you must form an opinion from such information.

The Ooni of Ife was always and remains the head of all Yoruba kings as I have demonstrated with evidence in my above comment which precedes this one.

Peace!

Cc: Ideadoctor, SaintBeehot, gomojam, DenreleDave, Balogunodua, babtoundey, reallest, TheLionofLasigi, yanabasee, pierocash, othermen, Newton85, sesan85

Ideadoctor:
can't stop laughing, gregy!!gregy!gregy! how many times I call you? minimize your lies,you said Yoruba girls are dirt and you can't date them but here you are again been swayed by the sight of s clothed boobs,are you on heat?

He is not the one on heat. His brain is. That explains why says one thing this minute and another the next.

And you can see another dumb folk that says there is nothing like Yoruba until 20th century. How an idiot that cannot differentiate between a name and people make for an historian in his clime is befuddling. Interesting enough, that name "Benin" he salivates over everyday is alien to his culture and was in fact stamped on his people by a Yoruba man. I know their stupidity is irredeamable the day they, in unison, call their oba a liar, who for a bottle of wine sold himself, people, the future and present of his empire to a politician, Awolowo. If you really want intellectual and reasonable engagement, these are not the set of people to pinch your tent with. They will slow you down. They are only on Nairaland to sell lies and parade their idiocy.
If not for Tao11 and some others that supplied invaluable comments all the posts (threads) created by these meatballs belong to the dustbin.

babtoundey:


He is not the one on heat. His brain is. That explains why says one thing this minute and another the next.

And you can see another dumb folk that says there is nothing like Yoruba until 20th century. How an idiot that cannot differentiate between a name and people make for an historian in his clime is befuddling. Interesting enough, that name "Benin" he salivates over everyday is alien to his culture and was in fact stamped on his people by a Yoruba man. I know their stupidity is irredeamable the day they, in unison, call their oba a liar, who for a bottle of wine sold himself, people, the future and present of his empire to a politician, Awolowo. If you really want intellectual and reasonable engagement, these are not the set of people to pinch your tent with. They will slow you down. They are only on Nairaland to sell lies and parade their idiocy.
If not for Tao11 and some others that supplied invaluable comments all the posts (threads) created by these meatballs belong to the dustbin.

you are right bro,the funny thing is that they know yorubas are ahead of them,but ego and pride is disturbing them

Ideadoctor:
you can believe what you want

:-
Why you cum dey follow me vex na.

Ideadoctor:
Never listen to history from the following people
Gregyboy
Valirex
Etinosa1234
Etrusen

These guys are legendary liars and bigots

This fool that has never read a book on Benin or Yoruba history is even talking...


Ozuo of the highest order

Pa3cia:
:- Why you cum dey follow me vex na.

not vexing

Etinosa1234:


This fool that has never read a book on Benin or Yoruba history is even talking...


Ozuo of the highest order

with the little I read,I can discern truth from lies,but you guys,always twist history to favour you and that is wrong

Ideadoctor:
with the little I read,I can discern truth from lies,but you guys,always twist history to favour you and that is wrong

With the little u read, that's why u are always deceived because u are told what u want to hear...

Now go and get a book to read and stop disgracing ur ancestors...

Its because the truth hurt u, that's why u publicly made that post...

E pain am

TAO11:
Wonderful!

It’s interesting to see how you cited Professor Robin C. C. Law on this variant tradition even while the whole of his own article was essentially a refutation of the same variant traditions which had been collected by Johnson, et al. in Oyo, etc.

To quote this same historian where he debunks these variant traditions as spurious, Professor Robin C. C. Law writes on page 212 of his “The Heritage of Oduduwa” as follows:

“Certain traditions relating to the ancestry of the Oni of Ife appear to have been devised specifically in order to counter the Oni's very plausible claim to paramount status. ... This denial of true royal ancestry to the Oni of Ife offered an opportunity for other kings to claim for themselves primacy of status among the descendants of Oduduwa.”

After combing through all the evidence, Professor Robin C. C. Law then summarizes his find on the last page as follows:

“SUMMARY
••• The article considers the political implications of the Yoruba traditions of origin, and seeks to relate the existence of certain variants of the tradition to the use of it for purposes of political propaganda. In particular, it is suggested that the tradition was manipulated and modified in an attempt to support the claims to paramountcy of the king of Oyo, when this kingdom became the most powerful state in the Yoruba area during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries•••”.



Regarding your oft-repeated laughable claim of 1930 pOLitIcAL eLeVaTiOn, I am super curious to know what this so-called elevation is, and who was responsible for the so-called elevation.

In your reply to this, please bear in mind that:

(1) The attached screenshots below are pages from a paper published in the year 1903. The details of the council’s meeting published therein had also been held in the same year. ~ “Native Crowns”, Journal of the Royal African Society Vol. 2, No. 7 (Apr., 1903).

(2) Awolowo was born in the year 1909. I really hope that Awolowo doesn’t have such miraculous power with which he elevates the ranks of kings even before he himself was born. LMAO!

Cc: Ideadoctor, Pa3cia, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, TheLionofLasigi, reallest, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Newton85, sesan85, yanabasee, pierocash, othermen

The screenshot you attached says the Oba of Benin receives his crown from the Ooni, how laughable? It goes to show that Yoruba lies and fabrications of history didn't just started recently, unfortunately for you guys the European have been documenting Benin history since 1471.

1471 to 1897, over 400 years of written Benin history, Ife, Oduduwa, Ooni and Oranmiyan weren't mentioned. Alaafin and several others were mentioned. WHY

Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in the 1800s, if you say I am lying, I challenge you to provide any evidence that connect Benin to Ife earlier than 1800s.

Please if you must respond? Come back with the evidence, not insults and irrelevant references and citations that doesn't answer the question as usual.

TAO11:
Wonderful!

It’s interesting to see how you cited Professor Robin C. C. Law on this variant tradition even while the whole of his own article was essentially a refutation of the same variant traditions which had been collected by Johnson, et al. in Oyo, etc.

To quote this same historian where he debunks these variant traditions as spurious, Professor Robin C. C. Law writes on page 212 of his “The Heritage of Oduduwa” as follows:

“Certain traditions relating to the ancestry of the Oni of Ife appear to have been devised specifically in order to counter the Oni's very plausible claim to paramount status. ... This denial of true royal ancestry to the Oni of Ife offered an opportunity for other kings to claim for themselves primacy of status among the descendants of Oduduwa.”

After combing through all the evidence, Professor Robin C. C. Law then summarizes his find on the last page as follows:

“SUMMARY
••• The article considers the political implications of the Yoruba traditions of origin, and seeks to relate the existence of certain variants of the tradition to the use of it for purposes of political propaganda. In particular, it is suggested that the tradition was manipulated and modified in an attempt to support the claims to paramountcy of the king of Oyo, when this kingdom became the most powerful state in the Yoruba area during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries•••”.



Regarding your oft-repeated laughable claim of 1930 pOLitIcAL eLeVaTiOn, I am super curious to know what this so-called elevation is, and who was responsible for the so-called elevation.

In your reply to this, please bear in mind that:

(1) The attached screenshots below are pages from a paper published in the year 1903. The details of the council’s meeting published therein had also been held in the same year. ~ “Native Crowns”, Journal of the Royal African Society Vol. 2, No. 7 (Apr., 1903).

(2) Awolowo was born in the year 1909. I really hope that Awolowo doesn’t have such miraculous power with which he elevates the ranks of kings even before he himself was born. LMAO!

Cc: Ideadoctor, Pa3cia, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, TheLionofLasigi, reallest, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Newton85, sesan85, yanabasee, pierocash, othermen

Samuk hwfa na.....

You lies have been bursted again go and look for another one....

samuk:


The screenshot you attached says the Oba of Benin receives his crown from the Ooni, how laughable? It goes to show that Yoruba lies and fabrications of history didn't just started recently, unfortunately for you guys the European have been documenting Benin history since 1471.

1471 to 1897, over 400 years of written Benin history, Ife, Oduduwa, Ooni and Oranmiyan weren't mentioned. Alaafin and several others were mentioned. WHY

Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in the 1800s, if you say I am lying, I challenge you to provide any evidence that connect Benin to Ife earlier than 1800s.

Please if you must respond? Come back with the evidence, not insults and irrelevant references and citations that doesn't answer the question as usual.

You claim Ooni was a chief priest when your lie was bursted....you jump to Ife-Benin connection weytin be unavailable problem self

Etinosa1234:


This fool that has never read a book on Benin or Yoruba history is even talking...


Ozuo of the highest order

And you an half-baked historian who went to study lie as profession

Balogunodua:

You claim Ooni was a chief priest when your lie was bursted....you jump to Ife-Benin connection weytin be unavailable problem self

I don't usually respond to those that can't read or comprehend what they read. I am responding to you in the spirit of Christmas. If you expect response from me next time, you have to demonstrate that you have the ability to understand what is being said.

It wasn't me that claim that Ooni was a descendant of shrine keeper, early Yoruba historians, S. Johnson, Law, etc were the ones that made such claims from their research into Yoruba history.

All I did was to cite references from these Yoruba historians confirming Ooni being the descendant of shrine keeper.

In trying to prove early Yoruba historians wrong, Tao went on a diversionary tactics by submitting a reference that says Oba of Benin takes his crown from the Ooni. This is what I responded to, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even read Tao screenshot. My reply started by drawing attention to her screenshot.

Tao knows must of you can't read or comprehend what you read, that is why she dumps irrelevant citations and references which you guys can't even read or understand all over the place.

Don't expect me to waste my time replying you next time unless to you have something sensible and tangible to say.

First of all, I commend you for honorably soaking in the disgrace I bathed you with regarding your original two laughable claims — one deception and one outright and blatant lie, viz.

(1) Your claim that the Ooni was originally a non-royal, shrine keeper prior to modern times; and that even Professor R. C. C. Law admits this.

(2) Your claim that the Ooni’s stool was only pOliTiCaLlY eLeVaTeD [presumably by aWoLoWo] to head all Yoruba monarchs from the year 1930.

You were disgraced by my sequential, clear, direct, evidence-backed arguments which systematically demonstrated that:

(1) These pseudo-historical traditions collected by S. Johnson, et al. (which you refer to) are in fact found to be variants (i.e. non-originals), apocryphal and manipulations invented for the purpose of political propaganda.

Interestingly, this conclusion was reached by your own authority whom you cited (i.e. Robin C. C. Law) after he had thoroughly combed through the pieces of available evidence.

So, stop pretending like it was Tao who tried to debunk those variant traditions. No I didn’t. It was Professor R. C. C. Laws himself (whom you ironically cited as your authority) who, in fact, debunks them as spurious and apocryphal.

(2) Your joke of a claim that the Ooni was pOliTiCaLlY eLeVaTeD to the head in the year 1930 was also devastatingly debunked.

I simply cited a 1903 publication which shows in plain and unequivocal terms that the Ooni had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.

It is interesting that you dared not utter a word in any attempt to salvage your battered ‘image’ regarding your original two lies which I debunked with the proof I put forward.

That’s actually very commendable of you. Keep it up.

Rather, you ussain-bolted to a different topic entirely. A topic which I have debunked time and time again all over Nairaland.

I will debunk it here again as usual in a moment. See below:

samuk:
The screenshot you attached says the Oba of Benin receives his crown from the Ooni, how laughable? It goes to show that Yoruba lies and fabrications of history didn't just started recently,

Well, I think it may be helpful to you to remind you that in order to logically refute an assertion, you must do more than merely laugh at it, or merely nick-name it as “lies and fabrication”. It doesn’t work that simple.

The smart readers here already know this to be a weak trick. So don’t bother trying. In fact, to rely on these tricks as your primary argument is itself a logical fallacy in argumentation.

••• unfortunately for you guys the European have been documenting Benin history since 1471.

1471 to 1897, over 400 years of written Benin history, Ife, Oduduwa, Ooni and Oranmiyan weren't mentioned.

Alaafin and several others were mentioned. WHY

First of all, there is no EUrOpEaN writing on Benin history which, in a specific era, mentions the “Alaafin” to the exclusion of “Ife”, “Oduduwa”, or “Ooni”.

That’s a huge, bold, samukian lie which must be shut down (as I have just done now) without any delay.

Secondly, your mention of 1897 in your blabbing here is also another falsehood.

There are EUrOpEaN notes collected from Benin court officials in the the 1880s and 1890s which links the Benin monarchy back to the “Yoruba country” of the “Oni of Ife”.

Thirdly and most importantly, your often repeat the idea that the earliest EUrOpEaN WRITINGS collected from Benin did not mention the precise words “Oduduwa”, “Ooni”, or “Ife”.

You then argue, from this silence, that this is your evidence and proof that these names have no connection with Benin kingdom.

In response, I have repeatedly debunked this so-called argument and trashed it for the garbage that it is.

Again, your so-called reasoning here is a logical fallacy known in argumentation as argumentum ex silentio..

To break this down into granular particles for the unacquainted reader:

The silence of a writing on a particular topic (”silence” ’oo’, not even “rejection” ’oo’ ) does NOT prove that such topic is false.

What is more interesting (even after proving to @samuk that his dubious reasoning is a laughable fallacy) is that, the same early EUrOpEaN writings do not contain even one mention of the names of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, Ozolua, and many others.

Guess what, @samuk’s logic here (which is fallacious to begin with) suddenly goes to hibernation mode whenever these foregoing names of his Benin ancestors and heroes are brought up.

He dares not conclude that these names have nothing to do with Benin Kingdom. He understands that such conclusion will make his insanity obvious to too many people.

Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in the 1800s, if you say I am lying, I challenge you to provide any evidence that connect Benin to Ife earlier than 1800s.

The bolded is an active claim from @samuk. In other words, you must follow up your own claim with a conclusive proof.

Again, it is a logical fallacy to initiate a claim and then insist that you a correct unless others prove you wrong.

In fact, such an idea amounts to committing a two-in-one logical fallacy, namely: the onus probandi fallacy and the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Read up on these as well.

In other words, the party responsible for the burden/stress of proving a claim is the same party who makes the claim. Not the party who challenges the claimant.

Otherwise many people would have to bear the unnecessary stress/burden (of disproof) which comes from the random claims/allegations made by others — leaving the actual claimant to enjoy a burden-free moment/life.

Having said that, I do actually intend to disprove your claim as I always do — even though I have no obligation to do so here from a logical standpoint as I have just demonstrated. So, see below.

Please if you must respond? Come back with the evidence, not insults and irrelevant references and citations that doesn't answer the question as usual.

As promised above:

In relation to the Ife-Benin connection which has endured till date from many centuries in the past, see any of the two links below for two examples of the archaeological evidence which demonstrates this as a historical fact:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

The fist link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of a Benin King (and two attendants). This artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1600. This artifact was excavated from Ile-Ife at an interesting site. Click the link for details.

The second link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of an Ife King. The artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1400. The artifact was excavated from the Royal Palace of Benin Kingdom. Click the link for details.

Conclusion: The Ife-Benin Relationship is an ancient one from many centuries ago.
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And let @samuk’s clownish life in denial-cum-tantrum kick start now.

Please come on stage to display your ranting skills to our amiable audience.

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what is wrong with Edo folks in order to make your king look great, you are bastardizing others king, joke apart,you guy should stop all these misinformation. Ooni stool is greater than the Benin stool as in like 20/100, look at Ooni domain, the whole Yoruba land in order word south west is represented by the Ooni is domain extended into Benin republic and Togo and some part of Ghana, his subjects can also be found in Brazil, Cuba, Caribbean and the Americas but the Oba of Benin is limited to Benin city. ..you see the mighty difference