TAO11:

[s] Did you just call it bRaDbUry or not? Hahah!

Now make up your mind: Is it bRadbUry or you need the reference?

You must pick one! LMAO![/s]

Etinosa1234:


Trying hard to divert... Which official account of Benin history said that Benin came from ife... And which Benin authority approved it?

Stop lieing and answer my question na

Balogunodua:

the guy just tire me....

Balogunodua:


Mtcheew is now your anthem...

Balogunodua:
Etinosa1234 where is your broda valirex? he told me my name is now the anthem in Edo state

Balogunodua:
Edo miscreants are having sleepless night because of me... that they have to create an antibalogunodua account hahaha... Oba of Benin must be impressed...

Balogunodua:
Edo miscreants are having sleepless night because of me... that they have to create an antibalogunodua account hahaha... Oba of Benin must be impressed...

TAO11:


(4) Can you bring forward any ancient Benin sculpture whose realism & naturalism comes (even remotely) close to that of the two ancient Ife sculptures below ??
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769978_675abba9d9564c2a9dccbada6660916f_jpeg_jpeg27a46c1bc047f1e86dc445535a6a98d9
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769979_5ae1b03b628943719aad9fbe9e13c73b_jpeg_jpega3d9f3de8494386a47ac23021a7e81b9

Cc: Ideadoctor, Pa3cia, scholes0, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, TheLionofLasigi, reallest, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Newton85, sesan85, yanabasee, Pierocash, othermen, Abohboy, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, Obalatule, Afam4eva

Ideadoctor:
abi o,I was surprised when I saw the moniker, well done balogunodua,you are really a warlord, you slap till they create a moniker from you moniker, walahi. this is unbelievable

Ideadoctor:


Got your point, if we are arguing for the sake of misinformation,it worth it,but if we arguing to convince those mischievous kids we are wasting time, it like pouring water into basket, they know the truth since their common sense is intact and working, but they are trying to be loyal to their tribe in such away that anything or information that stoops their tribe down is false,anything that uphold their culture is right, their conclusion in argument is not based on evidence but self sentiment, what they should be

Ideadoctor:
What ever you say,what ever you think, yorubas are ahead, why should you hate truth because truth does not favor you? Me arguing about supremacy is waste of time, because you don't argue for something that is obvious,look all around you and be sincere, yorubas had stepped ahead,people who post trends like this are envious and they are been intimidated by the superior Yoruba culture, why should you post trends like this If not that you are been bothered about been swayed aside by the great Yoruba civilization, let be informed, our views on nairaland can never influence the real world,that is why I am less bothered about all these made up histories, if you know you are right about your thesis that Ooni is a priest not a king,go to ile ife,and tell the Ooni to his face that he is not a king but a priest, but if you can't, stop opening bastardizing trends

In order to torment you even further, all the floggings which I have meted on you on this thread will be reposted on this very page.

The aim is to spotlight how you’ve been fleeing from one flogging to another.

First you told two two blatant lies. And when I rubbished you on that, you fled to living in chronic denial.

And when I disgraced you on that too, you’ve now finally fled to finding any escape route available.

samuk:
I was expecting a catalogue of Yoruba historical achievements and accomplishments only to see one excavated clay and bronze head with no one sure who made them.

[s]I do honestly empathize with you, if I were a Yoruba, how would I feel when the Benin start their eyewitness written historical accounts in the 1400s, move on to the 1500s telling everyone how their Obas were communicating with European kings, queens and the Pope, then move into the 1600s and give out European eyewitness historical accounts of Benin annexation of Lagos, then come the 1700s with more European visits to Benin for more trades and yet nothing in Yoruba history until the first European visit in 1824.

More than 400 years of Benin eyewitness historical accounts before Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts began, it must be heartbreaking[/s].

[s]To make up for these 400 years gap, Tao will start misrepresenting historical accounts as Ife, she will tell us how 6000 BC Egyptian writings on the pyramids referred to Ife, how Arabic written accounts of Zimbabwe was Ife, how the Coptic, cesspit and latrine interpretations of Viking writings referred to Ife. Yoruba have no history but myths and fabrications.
The worst part of it is there are those that actually take her seriously.[/s]

First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand when compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: How actually did they compare the Yoruba interior to Benin when deciding where to settle?? Lol!

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mind.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-debunking idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
————————————
Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to stating the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted BeNiN KiNgDoM and then decided to land. Naa!

TAO11:


The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted Benin kingdom and decided to land. Naa![/size]

Cheers!

samuk:
••• You said the reason the European didn't visit Yoruba land for 400 years after they consistently visited Benin City •••

••• was because their knowledge of medicine was poor and they didn't have antibiotics.

You also stated that Lagos didn't have deep sea for their large ships.

Tao Maka Why all these lies, do you even listen to yourself? If Lagos sea wasn't big enough for European large ships, how do you explain this?

In 1603, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer, a German surgeon, aboard a Dutch merchant ship, visited Lagos.

According to his accounts, Lagos was a large frontier town surrounded by a strong fence and inhabited by "none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner."

The Lagos visited by Ulsheimer and his trading colleagues nearly four centuries ago was in many ways highly developed. Each day its four commanders came together as a court and each day two envoys were dispatched to take decisions back to their ruler in Benin. To do so, Ulsheimer wrote, was a common practice in all towns under the suzerainty of Benin

TAO11:


Yes, the hinterland of the West Africa forest in general was a breeding ground for malaria considering the higher concentration of mosquitos against which the Europeans have very low to zero immunity.

Areas closer to the coast and father from the hinterland were relatively safer.

In fact, Father Columbine de Nantes who visited Benin City in the early 1600s cited this reason (in one of his letters back home to the French authorities) as one of the advantages of basing their missionary center in Benin City.

He said “priests can live here with greater ease than in other parts of the Guinea because of the healthy climate”

Also, yes the first discovery of a TRUE antibiotic in the whole wide world wasn’t until very, very recently.

TAO11:
First off all, @samuk, why do you love deleting a huge chunk of my comments when ”Quoting” them ??

Are you afraid that an intelligent reader would notice that the same comment you “Quoted” already debunks what you just “Submitted” ??

In order to torment you even further, all the floggings which I have meted on you on this thread will be reposted on this very page.

The aim is to spotlight how you’ve been fleeing from one flogging to another.

First you told two two blatant lies. And when I rubbished you on that, you fled to living in chronic denial.

And when I disgraced you on that too, you’ve now finally fled to finding any escape route available.

You really need this escape route so badly, don’t you? It must be very difficult being my slave.

Listen: I will still flog your skull to pieces even with your last escape seeking straw. See below:
Wonderful! Please name me your source from where you got the idea that those two sculptures I attached were eXcAvATeD.

Or is this just one of your numerous endless lies? Haha!

Permit me to attach them again so you can educate me properly on the details of their supposed eXcAvaTiOn. LMAO! Olódo boy
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769978_675abba9d9564c2a9dccbada6660916f_jpeg_jpeg27a46c1bc047f1e86dc445535a6a98d9
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769979_5ae1b03b628943719aad9fbe9e13c73b_jpeg_jpega3d9f3de8494386a47ac23021a7e81b9
Having re-attached them, please now provide me with ANY ancient Benin sculpture which comes (even remotely) close to these two in naturalism & realism. Lol!

If you do, I would allow you peddle lies freely on Nairaland.

Incoherent escape-seeking jibber-jabber as expected. LMAO!

I think you should rather empathize with your Obas who have been comfirmed by all historical evidence to be a servant-king to an external overlord, namely: the Ooni of Ife.

Guess what, all that your 400 years history tell us is this: That your Oba is a servant-king to an external overlord whom historians identify today as none other than the Ooni of Ife.

In the light of this exposition, I love love your 400 years history die.

To further educate you (in continuation of the schooling you were receiving in my foregoing reply), the Binis didn’t have the first contact with the Europeans — the Yorubas did. E shock you!?

If you must dispute this then do so clearly to enable be decide if you really want an account of where your own people admitted that to the Europeans.

Moreover, the Ijebus have had continued written EUrOpEaN sources of their history from the same period as the Binis. Refer, for examples on this, to Robin C. C. Law’s “Early EUrOpEaN Sources Relating to the Kingdom of Ijebu (1500-1700): A Critical Survey”.

Another load of incoherence and tantrum. I really hope dangerous items are not close to you, dear obese midget.

Anyways, I’m not sure what you’re referring to with 6000 BC Egyptian pyramid writings. Or what you mean by “cesspit and latrine interpretations of Viking”.

These must be the effect of the overdose of my non-stop floggings on your lying cranium.

However, what I know and what historians know is that Binis claim that their first king came diving from the sky and crash-landed at Benin city round-about, among several other innumerable Benin myths. Just as may be found in Ife and elsewhere.

But as per documentation, Ife was first documented before Benin can be noticed. Yes Ibn Battuata’s writings talk about Ife having one of the most considerable kings in the Soudan. And this writing dates to the 1300s. I’m not sure when Zimbabwe relocated to the “Soudan”. Lol!

Did Ibn Battuta talk about other places in his writings? Yes! Historians examining the originals found that in addition to talking about Ife, he also talked about Mali (of course), and perhaps also Zimbabwe, among other places.

Regarding the ancient (pre-1600) Coptic text which referenced Ife and several Yoruba deified heroes, yes this has been ‘over-cited’ by historians such as the French historian L. J. Morié (1897) who cited it from a 1600 French translation of the Coptic text.

Samu, I will make you choose honesty whether you like it or you like it. You will become a changed person by the time I’m done with you.

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PS: In case you missed it earlier in my foregoing reply to you, here we go again:


“All the rest of West Africa that I know is squalid. Squalor is just the one idea that strikes one. Benin in the old days was more than squalid. It was gruesome. What the exact influence of the place was, or rather what the cause was of the influence felt, I cannot say, but the fact remains that no one who went there in the old days came away without being impressed.

•••

As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and a sense of a spirit of a long past of atrocities, which if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers’ men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly on their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

Reference: Cyril Punch‘s Letters of 1889; quoted in H. Ling Roth, 1903, p. vii.


First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand when compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: How actually did they compare the Yoruba interior to Benin when deciding where to settle?? Lol!

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mind.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-debunking idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
————————————
Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to stating the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted BeNiN KiNgDoM and then decided to land. Naa!

Cheers!

Balogunodua:


Cheers!

samuk:


Tao, is this one of your numerous fake accounts. Is this your desperate tactics to escape from the debate? If this is not you, could you ask the clown to shift to one side?. I haven't finished using you to play football. I have to DisGuaGua you until you are naked for all to see.

In order to torment you even further, all the floggings which I have meted on you on this thread will be reposted on this very page.

The aim is to spotlight how you’ve been fleeing from one flogging to another.

First you told two two blatant lies. And when I rubbished you on that, you fled to living in chronic denial.

And when I disgraced you on that too, you’ve now finally fled to finding any escape route available.

First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand when compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: How actually did they compare the Yoruba interior to Benin when deciding where to settle?? Lol!

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mind.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-debunking idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
————————————
Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to stating the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted BeNiN KiNgDoM and then decided to land. Naa!

TAO11:
First off all, @samuk, why do you love deleting a huge chunk of my comments when ”Quoting” them ??

Are you afraid that an intelligent reader would notice that the same comment you “Quoted” already debunks what you just “Submitted” ??

In order to torment you even further, all the floggings which I have meted on you on this thread will be reposted on this very page.

The aim is to spotlight how you’ve been fleeing from one flogging to another.

First you told two two blatant lies. And when I rubbished you on that, you fled to living in chronic denial.

And when I disgraced you on that too, you’ve now finally fled to finding any escape route available.

You really need this escape route so badly, don’t you? It must be very difficult being my slave.

Listen: I will still flog your skull to pieces even with your last escape seeking straw. See below:
Wonderful! Please name me your source from where you got the idea that those two sculptures I attached were eXcAvATeD.

Or is this just one of your numerous endless lies? Haha!

Permit me to attach them again so you can educate me properly on the details of their supposed eXcAvaTiOn. LMAO! Olódo boy
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769978_675abba9d9564c2a9dccbada6660916f_jpeg_jpeg27a46c1bc047f1e86dc445535a6a98d9
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769979_5ae1b03b628943719aad9fbe9e13c73b_jpeg_jpega3d9f3de8494386a47ac23021a7e81b9
Having re-attached them, please now provide me with ANY ancient Benin sculpture which comes (even remotely) close to these two in naturalism & realism. Lol!

If you do, I would allow you peddle lies freely on Nairaland.

Incoherent escape-seeking jibber-jabber as expected. LMAO!

I think you should rather empathize with your Obas who have been comfirmed by all historical evidence to be a servant-king to an external overlord, namely: the Ooni of Ife.

Guess what, all that your 400 years history tell us is this: That your Oba is a servant-king to an external overlord whom historians identify today as none other than the Ooni of Ife.

In the light of this exposition, I love love your 400 years history die.

To further educate you (in continuation of the schooling you were receiving in my foregoing reply), the Binis didn’t have the first contact with the Europeans — the Yorubas did. E shock you!?

If you must dispute this then do so clearly to enable be decide if you really want an account of where your own people admitted that to the Europeans.

Moreover, the Ijebus have had continued written EUrOpEaN sources of their history from the same period as the Binis. Refer, for examples on this, to Robin C. C. Law’s “Early EUrOpEaN Sources Relating to the Kingdom of Ijebu (1500-1700): A Critical Survey”.

Another load of incoherence and tantrum. I really hope dangerous items are not close to you, dear obese midget.

Anyways, I’m not sure what you’re referring to with 6000 BC Egyptian pyramid writings. Or what you mean by “cesspit and latrine interpretations of Viking”.

These must be the effect of the overdose of my non-stop floggings on your lying cranium.

However, what I know and what historians know is that Binis claim that their first king came diving from the sky and crash-landed at Benin city round-about, among several other innumerable Benin myths. Just as may be found in Ife and elsewhere.

But as per documentation, Ife was first documented before Benin can be noticed. Yes Ibn Battuata’s writings talk about Ife having one of the most considerable kings in the Soudan. And this writing dates to the 1300s. I’m not sure when Zimbabwe relocated to the “Soudan”. Lol!

Did Ibn Battuta talk about other places in his writings? Yes! Historians examining the originals found that in addition to talking about Ife, he also talked about Mali (of course), and perhaps also Zimbabwe, among other places.

Regarding the ancient (pre-1600) Coptic text which referenced Ife and several Yoruba deified heroes, yes this has been ‘over-cited’ by historians such as the French historian L. J. Morié (1897) who cited it from a 1600 French translation of the Coptic text.

Samu, I will make you choose honesty whether you like it or you like it. You will become a changed person by the time I’m done with you.

Ideadoctor, Pa3cia, scholes0, DenreleDave, gomojam, SaintBeehot, TheLionofLasigi, reallest, babtoundey, Balogunodua, Newton85, sesan85, yanabasee, RuggedSniper, Pierocash, othermen, Abohboy, Ofunwa111, Juliusmalema, Obalatule, Afam4eva, macof, Tyrant28, Talktrue1234, LegendHero

——————————
PS: In case you missed it earlier in my foregoing reply to you, here we go again:


“All the rest of West Africa that I know is squalid. Squalor is just the one idea that strikes one. Benin in the old days was more than squalid. It was gruesome. What the exact influence of the place was, or rather what the cause was of the influence felt, I cannot say, but the fact remains that no one who went there in the old days came away without being impressed.

•••

As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and a sense of a spirit of a long past of atrocities, which if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers’ men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly on their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

Reference: Cyril Punch‘s Letters of 1889; quoted in H. Ling Roth, 1903, p. vii.


First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand when compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: How actually did they compare the Yoruba interior to Benin when deciding where to settle?? Lol!

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mind.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-debunking idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
————————————
Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to stating the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted BeNiN KiNgDoM and then decided to land. Naa!

Cheers!

Balogunodua:
Let's spread the gospel truth....


First off all, @samuk, why do you love deleting a huge chunk of my comments when ”Quoting” them ??

Are you afraid that an intelligent reader would notice that the same comment you “Quoted” already debunks what you just “Submitted” ??[/color]

In order to torment you even further, all the floggings which I have meted on you on this thread will be reposted on this very page.

The aim is to spotlight how you’ve been fleeing from one flogging to another.

First you told two two blatant lies. And when I rubbished you on that, you fled to living in chronic denial.

And when I disgraced you on that too, you’ve now finally fled to finding any escape route available.

You really need this escape route so badly, don’t you? It must be very difficult being my slave.

Listen: I will still flog your skull to pieces even with your last escape seeking straw. See below:
Wonderful! Please name me your source from where you got the idea that those two sculptures I attached were eXcAvATeD.

Or is this just one of your numerous endless lies? Haha!

Permit me to attach them again so you can educate me properly on the details of their supposed eXcAvaTiOn. LMAO! Olódo boy
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Having re-attached them, please now provide me with ANY ancient Benin sculpture which comes (even remotely) close to these two in naturalism & realism. Lol!

If you do, I would allow you peddle lies freely on Nairaland.

Incoherent escape-seeking jibber-jabber as expected. LMAO!

I think you should rather empathize with your Obas who have been comfirmed by all historical evidence to be a servant-king to an external overlord, namely: the Ooni of Ife.

Guess what, all that your 400 years history tell us is this: That your Oba is a servant-king to an external overlord whom historians identify today as none other than the Ooni of Ife.

In the light of this exposition, I love love your 400 years history die.

To further educate you (in continuation of the schooling you were receiving in my foregoing reply), the Binis didn’t have the first contact with the Europeans — the Yorubas did. E shock you!?

If you must dispute this then do so clearly to enable be decide if you really want an account of where your own people admitted that to the Europeans.

Moreover, the Ijebus have had continued written EUrOpEaN sources of their history from the same period as the Binis. Refer, for examples on this, to Robin C. C. Law’s “Early EUrOpEaN Sources Relating to the Kingdom of Ijebu (1500-1700): A Critical Survey”.

Another load of incoherence and tantrum. I really hope dangerous items are not close to you, dear obese midget.

Anyways, I’m not sure what you’re referring to with 6000 BC Egyptian pyramid writings. Or what you mean by “cesspit and latrine interpretations of Viking”.

These must be the effect of the overdose of my non-stop floggings on your lying cranium.

However, what I know and what historians know is that Binis claim that their first king came diving from the sky and crash-landed at Benin city round-about, among several other innumerable Benin myths. Just as may be found in Ife and elsewhere.

But as per documentation, Ife was first documented before Benin can be noticed. Yes Ibn Battuata’s writings talk about Ife having one of the most considerable kings in the Soudan. And this writing dates to the 1300s. I’m not sure when Zimbabwe relocated to the “Soudan”. Lol!

Did Ibn Battuta talk about other places in his writings? Yes! Historians examining the originals found that in addition to talking about Ife, he also talked about Mali (of course), and perhaps also Zimbabwe, among other places.

Regarding the ancient (pre-1600) Coptic text which referenced Ife and several Yoruba deified heroes, yes this has been ‘over-cited’ by historians such as the French historian L. J. Morié (1897) who cited it from a 1600 French translation of the Coptic text.

Samu, I will make you choose honesty whether you like it or you like it. You will become a changed person by the time I’m done with you.

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PS: In case you missed it earlier in my foregoing reply to you, here we go again:


“All the rest of West Africa that I know is squalid. Squalor is just the one idea that strikes one. Benin in the old days was more than squalid. It was gruesome. What the exact influence of the place was, or rather what the cause was of the influence felt, I cannot say, but the fact remains that no one who went there in the old days came away without being impressed.

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As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and a sense of a spirit of a long past of atrocities, which if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers’ men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly on their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

Reference: Cyril Punch‘s Letters of 1889; quoted in H. Ling Roth, 1903, p. vii.


First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand when compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: How actually did they compare the Yoruba interior to Benin when deciding where to settle?? Lol!

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mind.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-debunking idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
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Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to stating the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along and around the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Aworis, and Ijebus) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to that of Lagos.

In case you were wondering, the Europeans didn’t come to west Africa flying above the region with some airplanes from which they sighted BeNiN KiNgDoM and then decided to land. Naa!

Cheers!

Balogunodua:


You just trashed the whole Benin mushroom empire lies of centuries.......you threemuch.....................

samuk:
It's satisfying to know that you have now finally agreed with my initial position that although Benin was not the first place the Europeans visited but it was the only place fit enough to call a City in West Africa hence it was christened Benin City

You have now also help to provide 1600s reference that says Benin City was also the healthiest city for the missionaries to base compared to Yoruba backwaters.

According to you, Benin City was so advanced, the Europeans didn't need to worry about bacteria and mosquitoes or any other life threatening diseases.

You said European knowledge of medicine and antibiotics at these times was limited. So Benin City according to you didn't have bacteria and mosquitoes.

Thanks for finally acknowledging the greatness of Benin City despite all your lies.

Those that thought I wasn't serious when I said you were not smart and clever, can now see for themselves.

TAO11:


Benin in the old days was more than squalid. It was gruesome. ... Benin was inconsiderable when compared with” Yorubaland

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Yes, the hinterland of the West Africa forest in general was a breeding ground for malaria considering the higher concentration of mosquitos against which the Europeans have very low to zero immunity.

Areas closer to the coast and father from the hinterland were relatively safer.

In fact, Father Columbine de Nantes who visited Benin City in the early 1600s cited this reason (in one of his letters back home to the French authorities) as one of the advantages of basing their missionary center in Benin City.

He said “priests can live here with greater ease than in other parts of the Guinea because of the healthy climate”

Also, yes the first discovery of a TRUE antibiotic in the whole wide world wasn’t until very, very recently.

samuk:
Good to see you are now dancing around in circles and speaking from both sides of your mouth.

The readers should read both of your contradicting comments above and determine whether you are speaking from both side of your mouth or not.

You are not capable of logical reasoning and debates. You probate and reprobate at the same time.

samuk:
So the European decided and preferred to live in Benin City squalor compared to a none existence Yoruba land at the time.

You also suggested that Benin City had a different climate from Yoruba land. Wonderful

So far you told us that Benin didn't have mosquitoes, bacteria and other deadly diseases which early Europeans were worried about and you are now saying, it was squalid. A squalor free from mosquitoes, bacteria and other diseases. GREAT

samuk:


Tao, is this one of your numerous fake accounts. Is this your desperate tactics to escape from the debate? If this is not you, could you ask the clown to shift to one side?. I haven't finished using you to play football. I have to DisGuaGua you until you are naked for all to see.

valirex:


Ọtemwen Iselogbe, you have really done a nice job now the world can know that priest that purports himself as king

samuk:


Otemwen, Ogbemavbediaru.

Don't mind those that their history only started in the 1800s.

Nigeria have two great empires/kingdoms so far. One in the South and one in the North.

1. The Southern Benin empire/kingdom lasted for almost 500 years, when the Europeans visited Benin in the 1400s, Benin was already a great empire/kingdom, the moat was already in place. At it's height, Benin control and influence, political/cultural was felt all over Southern and part of Northern Nigeria. Benin empire/kingdom came to an end in 1897.

2. The Northern empire/kingdom of Sokoto or the Sokoto caliphate reach it's strength in the 1800, captured kwara which and conquered most part of Northern Nigeria was then part of Yoruba land. The Sokoto caliphate religious leadership can still be felt all over Northern and South West Nigeria. Infact the Sultan of Sokoto provides Islamic spiritual leadership for more than half Yoruba population who are muslims not the Ooni. Although the Ooni is being masqueraded as Yoruba spiritual head but the reality is that the Sultan of Sokoto is most Yoruba spiritual head.