samuk:


It's obvious you are not very well versed in Yoruba history and it will be had work trying to educate you assuming you genuinely want to learn.

For a start there where no such people called Yoruba people in Nigeria before the 1800s, if you can provide evidence there were, maybe I can take you serious.

To start debating Yoruba history, you must first know how Yoruba people came to be.

Are you okay then who are the founders of ile ife, Oyo empire, ikere ekiti who were the people who ruled there since, who made iron and bronze artefacts dating all the way back to the 4th century whi were those people please

samuk:


I don't usually respond to those that can't read or comprehend what they read. I am responding to you in the spirit of Christmas. If you expect response from me next time, you have to demonstrate that you have the ability to understand what is being said.

It wasn't me that claim that Ooni was a descendant of shrine keeper, early Yoruba historians, S. Johnson, Law, etc were the ones that made such claims from their research into Yoruba history.

All I did was to cite references from these Yoruba historians confirming Ooni being the descendant of shrine keeper.

In trying to prove early Yoruba historians wrong, Tao went on a diversionary tactics by submitting a reference that says Oba of Benin takes his crown from the Ooni. This is what I responded to, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even read Tao screenshot. My reply started by drawing attention to her screenshot.

Tao knows must of you can't read or comprehend what you read, that is why she dumps irrelevant citations and references which you guys can't even read or understand all over the place.

Don't expect me to waste my time replying you next time unless to you have something sensible and tangible to say.

Last time I checked bshe counter you without insults...and since when did you become a fan of Yoruba historians

Balogunodua:

Last time I checked bshe counter you without insults...and since when did you become a fan of Yoruba historians

Don’t mind the dullard who thinks himself wise.

The tradition which he alludes to while pretending it’s an original tradition was debunked by his own authority (professor R. C. C. Law whom he cited) to be a latter-day apocryphal and propaganda.

Moreover, the actual reason why he clutched at straw and ussain-bolted to a different topic is because he realized the disgrace he called upon himself w.r.t. his lies which I debunked.

And even on the different issue which he ussain-bolted to, he actually has no grounds to stand on as I have resoundingly demonstrated in my foregoing comment.

More to that, we also read from the record of proceedings of the first “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” held in Yorubaland in the year 1937 that the Oba of Benin was not only in attendance, he also consented to being one of the Yoruba monarchs who all sprang from Ife.

Now ask our Benin friends: Why did the Oba of Benin attend as a Yoruba monarch and also consented to being from Ife ??

Their replies: wElL, yOu kNow, hE wAs aCtUaLlY fOrcEd tO aTteNd — aWoLowO/wEsTeRn ReGiOn ThInGs.

Inform them: But at the time of that meeting, there was nothing like Western Region much less Awolowo being its Premier.

Their replies: wElL, tHaT’s A LiE.

Me: See the attached pages of a mimeographed copy of the record of proceedings.
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Only God knows what their next excuse will be. We will wait and see.

But I really do hope that this time they wouldn’t return with the usual excuse of tagging their Benin Kings as liars and snakes who betrayed Benin and sold themselves. Hahaha!

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First of all, I commend you @samuk for honorably soaking in the disgrace I bathed you with regarding your original two laughable claims — one deception and one blatant lie, namely:

(1) Your claim that the Ooni was originally a non-royal and shrine keeper prior to modern times; and that even Professor R. C. C. Law admits this.

(2) Your claim that the Ooni’s stool was only pOliTiCaLlY eLeVaTeD [presumably by aWoLoWo] to head all Yoruba monarchs from the year 1930.

You were disgraced by my sequential, clear, direct, evidence-backed arguments which systematically demonstrated that:

(1) These pseudo-historical traditions collected by S. Johnson, et al. (which you refer to) are in fact found to be variants (i.e. non-originals), apocryphal and manipulations invented for the purpose of political propaganda.

Interestingly, this refutation was made by your own authority whom you cited (i.e. Robin C. C. Law) after he had thoroughly combed through the pieces of available evidence.

So, stop pretending like it was Tao who tried to debunk those variant traditions. No I didn’t. It was Professor R. C. C. Laws himself (whom you ironically cited as your authority) who, in fact, debunks them as spurious and apocryphal.

(2) Your joke of a claim that the Ooni was pOliTiCaLlY eLeVaTeD to the head in the year 1930 was also devastatingly debunked.

I simply cited a 1903 publication which shows in plain and unequivocal terms that the Ooni had always been the head of all Yoruba monarchs since time immemorial.

It is interesting that you dared not utter a word in any attempt to salvage your battered ‘image’ regarding your original two lies which I debunked with the proof I put forward.

That’s actually very commendable of you. Keep it up.

Rather, you ussain-bolted to a different topic entirely. A topic which I have debunked time and time again all over Nairaland.

I will debunk it here again as usual in a moment. See below:

samuk:
The screenshot you attached says the Oba of Benin receives his crown from the Ooni, how laughable? It goes to show that Yoruba lies and fabrications of history didn't just started recently,

Well, I think it may be helpful to you to remind you that in order to logically refute an assertion, you must do more than merely laughing at it, or merely nick-naming it as “lies and fabrication”. It doesn’t work that simple.

The smart readers here already know this to be a weak trick. So don’t bother trying. In fact, to rely on these tricks as your primary argument is itself a logical fallacy in argumentation.

••• unfortunately for you guys the European have been documenting Benin history since 1471.

1471 to 1897, over 400 years of written Benin history, Ife, Oduduwa, Ooni and Oranmiyan weren't mentioned.

Alaafin and several others were mentioned. WHY

First of all, there is no EUrOpEaN writing on Benin history which, in a specific era, mentions the “Alaafin” to the exclusion of “Ife”, “Oduduwa”, or “Ooni”.

That’s a huge, bold, samukian lie which must be shut down (as I have just done now) without any delay.

Secondly, your mention of 1897 in your blabbing here is also another falsehood.

There are EUrOpEaN notes collected from Benin court officials in the the 1880s and 1890s which links the Benin monarchy back to the “Yoruba country” of the “Oni of Ife”.

Thirdly and most importantly, your often repeat the idea that the earliest EUrOpEaN WRITINGS collected from Benin did not mention the precise words “Oduduwa”, “Ooni”, or “Ife”.

You then argue, from this silence, that this is your evidence and proof that these names have no connection with Benin kingdom.

In response, I have repeatedly debunked this so-called argument and trashed it for the garbage that it is.

Again, your so-called reasoning here is a logical fallacy known in argumentation as argumentum ex silentio..

To break this down into granular particles for the unacquainted reader:

The silence of a writing on a particular topic (”silence” ’oo’, not even “rejection” ’oo’ ) does NOT prove that such topic is false.

What is more interesting (even after proving to @samuk that his dubious reasoning is a laughable fallacy) is that, the same early EUrOpEaN writings do not contain even one mention of the names of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, Ozolua, and many others.

Guess what, @samuk’s logic here (which is fallacious to begin with) suddenly goes to hibernation mode whenever these foregoing names of his Benin ancestors and heroes are brought up.

He dares not conclude that these names have nothing to do with Benin Kingdom. He understands that such conclusion will make his insanity obvious to too many people.

Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in the 1800s, if you say I am lying, I challenge you to provide any evidence that connect Benin to Ife earlier than 1800s.

The bolded is an active claim from @samuk. In other words, you must follow up your own claim with a conclusive proof.

Again, it is a logical fallacy to initiate a claim and then insist that you a correct unless others prove you wrong.

In fact, such an idea amounts to committing a two-in-one logical fallacy, namely: the onus probandi fallacy and the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Read up on these as well.

In other words, the party responsible for the burden/stress of proving a claim is the same party who makes the claim. Not the party who challenges the claimant.

Otherwise many people would have to bear the unnecessary stress/burden (of disproof) which comes from the random claims/allegations made by others — leaving the actual claimant to enjoy a burden-free moment/life.

Having said that, I do actually intend to disprove your claim as I always do — even though I have no obligation to do so here from a logical standpoint as I have just demonstrated. So, see below.

Please if you must respond? Come back with the evidence, not insults and irrelevant references and citations that doesn't answer the question as usual.

As promised above:

In relation to the Ife-Benin connection which has endured till date from many centuries in the past, see any of the two links below for two examples of the archaeological evidence which demonstrates this as a historical fact:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

The fist link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of a Benin King (and two attendants). This artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1600. This artifact was excavated from Ile-Ife at an interesting site. Click the link for details.

The second link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of an Ife King. The artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1400. The artifact was excavated from the Royal Palace of Benin Kingdom. Click the link for details.

Conclusion: The Ife-Benin Relationship is an ancient one from many centuries ago.
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And let @samuk’s clownish life in denial-cum-tantrum kick start now.

Please come on stage to display your ranting skills to our amiable audience.

TAO11:


First of all, there is no EUrOpEaN writing on Benin history which, in a specific era, mentions the “Alaafin” to the exclusion of “Ife”, “Oduduwa”,

There are EUrOpEaN notes collected from Benin court officials in the the 1880s and 1890s which links the Benin monarchy back to the “Yoruba country” of the “Oni of Ife”.

Thirdly and most importantly, your often repeat the idea that the earliest EUrOpEaN WRITINGS collected from Benin did not mention the precise words “Oduduwa”, “Ooni”, or “Ife”.


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Every society have their myths. When discussing real history, myths should be separated from real history and historical figures.

Benin/Ife relationship story can't be backed earlier than 1800s even though Benin have written history spanning over 600 years since the 1400s.

You have now admitted that the earliest you know about Benin/Ife relationship is 1880s and 1890s report.

In the absence of any mention of Benin/Ife relationship in Benin first 400 years written history, the Benin/Ife relationship was a 1800s fabrications.

If you believe Benin/Ife had relationship earlier than 1800s, it's now left for you to prove it.

You have repeatedly argued that the long held tradition of Oduduwa coming from Mecca or the middle east was fabricated because of lack of historical records to back it but you want everyone to accept Benin/Ife relationship that also lacks historical records beyond 1800s. This is hypocrisy and double standards.

My first question: Is there any reason why you Quoted me but yet deleted my comment — those parts which specifically debunk the very rant you’re set to type??

I’m just curious. Is there something you’re afraid of?? Are you scared that the trained reader will notice that your rant is already debunked in the very comment you Quoted??
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samuk’s latest style: Well, I will pretend like I couldn’t see where he already debunked each and every one of my rants. I no fit come die. Abeg, abeg, abeg.

My question: Is there a way that living in denial and pretense truly helps you as a coping mechanism?

Is there any reason why you’ve signed-up to live life in denial? You can talk to me:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12876310_899f61a34da646cbaaf6a1bec2525a2c_jpeg_jpeg571ab659770123c429812067cc64e477

samuk:
Benin/Ife relationship story can't be backed earlier than 1800s even though Benin have written history spanning over 600 years since the 1400s.

If you believe Benin/Ife had relationship earlier than 1800s, it's now left for you to prove it.

In case there was some seeing problem earlier on, then the following is my word-for-word reply with which I already proved the ancient Ife-Benin Connection. See the reply once again:

“In relation to the Ife-Benin connection which has endured till date from many centuries in the past, see any of the two links below for two examples of the archaeological evidence which demonstrates this as a historical fact:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

The fist link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of a Benin King (and two attendants). This artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1600. This artifact was excavated from Ile-Ife at an interesting site. Click the link for details.

The second link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of an Ife King. The artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1400. The artifact was excavated from the Royal Palace of Benin Kingdom. Click the link for details.

Conclusion: The Ife-Benin Relationship is an ancient one from many centuries ago. ”

Every society have their myths. When discussing real history, myths should be separated from real history and historical figures.

You have now admitted that the earliest you know about Benin/Ife relationship is 1880s and 1890s report.

In the absence of any mention of Benin/Ife relationship in Benin first 400 years written history, the Benin/Ife relationship was a 1800s fabrications.

It appears we’re discussing different subjects at this point. LMAO!

For your information in case you began hallucinating, I am discussing H-I-S-T-O-R-Y — not merely literature.

In other words, I am examining diverse historical evidence-types which includes: hard evidence (aka archaeological evidence), maps, writings, among diverse other relevant evidence-types.

The evidence-type with which I incontrovertibly demonstrated the existence of an ancient pre-1400s connection between Ife and Benin comes from archaeology — that is, the hard evidence.

“Writing” is only one type of historical evidence lad. There are diverse others, and “archaeological evidence” is another type, among others.

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Now talking about written evidence having already established the ancient Ife-Benin from archaeological (aka. hard) evidence:

The only pieces of early written evidence which dynastically connects Benin kingdom to an external overlord are from the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s.

These early written evidence are couched in a moot language which until recently did not allow some of its relevant content to be easily recognizable.

These relevant content didn’t become easily recognizable until other evidence such as artifacts, maps, and extant widely attested oral accounts, are brought to bear.

The conclusion now reached in present-time by the consensus of historical scholarship is that, this superior monarch whose name is mentioned in those early writings (spelt as Ogané, etc) is none other than the Ooni of Ife.
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Having said that, the second prong of my comment w.r.t. your allusion to ”writing” is as follows:

There are more evidence for the ancient Ife-Benin connection than there are any evidence for the existence of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, Ozolua, et al..

What do I mean?
The ancient Ife-Benin Connection dating to the pre-1400s can be, and has already been, substantiated with the following evidence-type: (a) archaeological evidence, (b) extant oral accounts, and (c) writing.

For the existence of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, and Ozolua, et al. on the other hand, the only available evidence-type is extant oral accounts.

There are no archaeological evidence to substantiate their lives (obviously), neither is their any writing from their lifetime (whenever that is) to prove their existence.

Yet, our deluded Bini friends would rather uphold the existence of these unsubstantiated personages (for which there is only one evidence-type) than accept Ife-Benin connection which is backed by multiple evidence-types.

How are people irrational and still breathing at the same time? Inferiority complex is a bastard.

Get your life together samuk. Your Oba is a Yoruba man. I don’t know about you.

You have repeatedly argued that the long held tradition of Oduduwa coming from Mecca or the middle east was fabricated because of lack of historical records to back it but you want everyone to accept Benin/Ife relationship that also lacks historical records beyond 1800s. This is hypocrisy and double standards.

How did I mis this earlier on, @samuk? Did you insert this lie later on as usual?

First of all you are chronic liar. Provide me a screenshot of where I claimed that the “Oduduwa ... from Mecca or Middle-East” story is false “because of lack of historical records to back it”, you janus-faced mythomaniac. Haha!

My claim on that thread, instead, was quite the direct opposite of what this obese midget is misrepresenting it to be.

I asserted with evidence from (S. Johnson’s writings) that the oldest traceable source of the story is to Sultan Bello of Sokoto — in one of his writings.

I then concluded (just as historians have now generally concluded) that the story is not originally of indigenous Yoruba origination.

How and where does this statement then mean that the story has no written evidence for it?

I think you’re still nursing your wounds from the multiple and severe blows landed on your skull on that thread.

Anyways, the ancient Ife-Benin connection (dating to the pre-1400s) has been established incontrovertibly above from archaeological evidence. Kill ya sef.

Cheers!

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Edo miscreants don suffer I swear...

Even the Benin coward valirex that opened this thread don Japa...

TAO11:
Don’t mind the dullard who thinks himself wise.

The tradition which he alludes to while pretending it’s an original tradition was debunked by his own authority (professor R. C. C. Law whom he cited) to be a latter-day apocryphal and propaganda.

Moreover, the actual reason why he clutched at straw and ussain bolted to a different topic is because he realized the disgraced he called upon himself w.r.t. his lies which I debunked.

And even on the different issue which he ussain-bolted to, he actually has no grounds to stand on as I have resoundingly demonstrated in my foregoing comment.

More to that, we also read from the record of proceedings of the first “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” held in Yorubaland in the year 1937 that the Oba of Benin was not only in attendance, he also consented to being one of the Yoruba monarchs who all sprang from Ife.

Now ask our Benin friends: Why did the Oba of Benin attend as a Yoruba monarch and also consented to being from Ife ??

Their replies: wElL, yOu kNow, hE wAs aCtUaLlY fOrcEd tO aTteNd — aWoLowO/wEsTeRn ReGiOn ThInGs.

Inform them: But at the time of that meeting, there was nothing like Western Region much less Awolowo being its Premier.

Their replies: wElL, tHaT’s A LiE.

Me: See the attached pages of a mimeographed copy of the record of proceedings.
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Only God knows what their next excuse will be. We will wait and see.

But I really do hope that this time they wouldn’t return with the usual excuse of tagging their Benin Kings as liars and snakes who betrayed Benin and sold themselves. Hahaha!

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Samuk dey jonz I swear greyboy would have said the Oba attended to make the Yoruba monarchs popular

TAO11:
My first question: Is there any reason why you Quoted me but yet deleted my comment — those parts which specifically debunk the very rant you’re set to type??

I’m just curious. Is there something you’re afraid of?? Are you scared that the trained reader will notice that your rant is already debunked in the very comment you Quoted??
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samuk’s latest style: Well, I will pretend like I couldn’t see where he already debunked each and every one of my rants. I no fit come die. Abeg, abeg, abeg.

My question: Is there a way that living in denial and pretense truly helps you as a coping mechanism?

Is there any reason why you’ve signed-up to live life in denial? You can talk to me:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12876310_899f61a34da646cbaaf6a1bec2525a2c_jpeg_jpeg571ab659770123c429812067cc64e477

In case there was some seeing problem earlier on, then the following is my word-for-word reply with which I already proved the ancient Ife-Benin Connection. See the reply once again:

“In relation to the Ife-Benin connection which has endured till date from many centuries in the past, see any of the two links below for two examples of the archaeological evidence which demonstrates this as a historical fact:

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

The fist link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of a Benin King (and two attendants). This artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1600. This artifact was excavated from Ile-Ife at an interesting site. Click the link for details.

The second link relates to a ‘bronze’ artifact of an Ife King. The artifact was dated to have been manufactured around the year 1400. The artifact was excavated from the Royal Palace of Benin Kingdom. Click the link for details.

Conclusion: The Ife-Benin Relationship is an ancient one from many centuries ago. ”


It appears we’re discussing different subjects at this point. LMAO!

For your information in case you began hallucinating, I am discussing history.

In other words, I am examining diverse historical evidence-types which includes: hard evidence (aka archaeological evidence), maps, writings, among other evidence-types.

The evidence-type with which I incontrovertibly demonstrated the existence of an ancient [b]pre-1400s connection between Ife and Benin[/b] comes from archaeology — that is, the hard evidence.

Writing is only one type of historical evidence lad.

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Now talking about written evidence having already demonstrated the same point from “hard” evidence:

The only piece of written evidence which connects Benin kingdom with an outside superior authority are from the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s.

These early written evidence are couched in a moot language which until recently did not allow some of its relevant content to be easily recognizable.

These relevant content didn’t become easily recognizable until other evidence such as artifacts, maps, and extant traditions, etc. are brought to bear.

The conclusion now reached in present-time by the consensus of historical scholarship is that, this superior monarch (spelt as Ogané, etc), noted in those early writings to be suzerain over Benin kingdom, is none other than the Ooni of Ife.
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Having said that, the second prong of my comment w.r.t. your allusion to ”writing” is as follows:

There are more evidence for the ancient Ife-Benin connection than there are any evidence for the existence of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, Ozolua.

What do I mean?
The ancient Ife-Benin Connection dating to the pre-1400s can be, and has been already, substantiated with the following evidence-type: (a) archaeological evidence, (b) extant oral accounts, (c) writing.

For the existence of Eweka I, Ewuare I, Olua, Ezoti, Oguola, Esigie, and Ozolua on the other hand, the only available evidence-type is extant oral accounts.

There are no archaeological evidence to substantiate their lives (obviously), neither is their any writing from their lifetime proving their existence.

Yet, the delusions would you to uphold the existence these unsubstantiated personages, but in the same breath deny the connection with multiple evidence-types.

How are people irrational and still breathe at the same time?

Get your life together samuk. Your Oba is a Yoruba man. I don’t know about you.

Cheers!

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Your evidence is now an artifact that could have been buried and excavated by anyone.

The Ooni has linked the Igbo people to Ife which is probably more plausible than Benin/Ife link you flatly rejected it but labouring unsuccessfully to link Benin to Ife. WHY

The reason is without Benin, the entire Yoruba European eyewitness recording of Yoruba history began in 1824 when the Europeans first visited the Alaafin.

You want to steal Benin over 600 years eyewitness written history through the back door to shore up Yoruba feather weight history.

Igbo/Ife relationship is more plausible than Benin/Ife relationship. The Igbo and Yoruba even share common name considering the fact that an Ooni even had an Igbo name.

samuk:
Your evidence is now an artifact that could have been buried and excavated by anyone.

You mean the authorities of Benin kingdom in modern times went the extra mile of obtaining an ancient Ife artifact; and then buried it in their own Palace so that it can be excavated at a later date in order to prove that the Benin Palace is not related to Ife. /S Right?? LAMO!

What a wonderful boomerang and self-refutation!? This is the real ’wahala be like bicycle’. Chai! Inferiority complex is a bastard!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12876310_899f61a34da646cbaaf6a1bec2525a2c_jpeg_jpeg571ab659770123c429812067cc64e477 Not minding your boomeranging and self-debunking laughable supposition, archaeologists can always tell from the excavated artifacts if they were recently deposited or they’ve been deposited since ancient times.

The Ooni has linked the Igbo people to Ife which is probably more plausible than Benin/Ife link you flatly rejected it but labouring unsuccessfully to link Benin to Ife. WHY

Let me burst your bubble, he has also liknkd Egyptians to Ife — as descendants of Ife. He simply did all these on the pre-existing premise of the age-long Ife and general Yoruba religious belief that all of humanity (including Europeans) are originally descended from Ife. See the attachments below.

Historians treat these assertions as what they are — Yoruba belief. I am only “labouring” (as you put it — but successfully instead) on the descent of the Benin monarchy from Ile-Ife only because historians affirm it as historical; unlike the Igbos, Egyptians, Europeans, etc. Wake up and smell the coffee, Sam.

The reason is without Benin, the entire Yoruba European eyewitness recording of Yoruba history began in 1824 when the Europeans first visited the Alaafin.

No, that’s not the reason ‘sweetheart’.

The reason is that I personally do not really care about your inferiority complex, and as such I wish to expose the historical truths to everyone included your south eastern neighbors — letting them realize (and they now do) that your Oba is a Yoruba man — regardless of the modern political twists.

Moreover, I can recall eyewitness accounts off the top of my head of Oyo-Dahomey relations from the 1700s. Moreover, the Aworis, Ijebus, Itsekiris also had early EUrOpEaN contact and writings from the same period as Benin.

Furthermore, Ibn Battuta’s writings on Ife and its king was in the 1300s. More than a hundred years before before EUrOpEaN’s arrival at the coast.

But like I have said earlier, I am discussing history not merely literature. In other words, “writing” is one of several historical evidence-types — all of which together prove that the Yoruba monarch is the father of the Benin monarch.

You want to steal Benin over 600 years eyewitness written history through the back door to shun up Yoruba feather weight history.

No, there is no need to steal EUrOpEaN writings on Benin, lad. I wonder if that is a statement to begin with.

Such effort would be counterintuitive when I already know that those same Benin writings agree with me that your Oba is a servant-monarch to an external overlord whom historians now identify as the Ooni of Ife.

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Balogunodua:

Samuk dey jonz I swear greyboy would have said the Oba attended to make the Yoruba monarchs popular

Naa! He appears to have abandoned those falsehoods of ’1930 eLeVaTiOn’ and ’oOnI iS A pRiEsT’.

He realized that he fuccked up when disgracing evidence hit his lying skull.

Now, he is looking for an escape-route by embracing chronic denial as his life style. LMAO!

Let’s wait and see how he gets himself out of this self-entangled mess of inferiority complex.

What ever you say,what ever you think, yorubas are ahead, why should you hate truth because truth does not favor you? Me arguing about supremacy is waste of time, because you don't argue for something that is obvious,look all around you and be sincere, yorubas had stepped ahead,people who post trends like this are envious and they are been intimidated by the superior Yoruba culture, why should you post trends like this If not that you are been bothered about been swayed aside by the great Yoruba civilization, let be informed, our views on nairaland can never influence the real world,that is why I am less bothered about all these made up histories, if you know you are right about your thesis that Ooni is a priest not a king,go to ile ife,and tell the Ooni to his face that he is not a king but a priest, but if you can't, stop opening bastardizing trends

TAO11:
Naa! He appears to have abandoned those falsehoods of 1930 eLeVaTiOn and oOnI iS A pRiEsT.

He realized that he bleeped up when disgracing evidence hit his lying skull.

Now, he is looking for escape-route by embracing chronic denial as a life style.

Let’s wait and see how he gets himself out of this self-entangled mess of inferiority complex.

Ideadoctor:
What ever you say,what ever you think, yorubas are ahead, why should you hate truth because truth does not favor you? Me arguing about supremacy is waste of time, because you don't argue for something that is obvious,look all around you and be sincere, yorubas had stepped ahead,people who post trends like this are envious and they are been intimidated by the superior Yoruba culture, why should you post trends like this If not that you are been bothered about been swayed aside by the great Yoruba civilization, let be informed, our views on nairaland can never influence the real world,that is why I am less bothered about all these made up histories, if you know you are right about your thesis that Ooni is a priest not a king,go to ile ife,and tell the Ooni to his face that he is not a king but a priest, but if you can't, stop opening bastardizing trends

I think it’s good to engage them sometimes.

The rate at which misinformation spread, you would be surprised to realize how far it has gone and those forming innocent opinions from such lies.

Yes, I know it is way easier to beat 40 scholars with one fact, than to beat one idiot with 40 facts.

It is, however, sometimes advisable to stand up to a pathological liar and rub his liars on his face. That’s the first step to helping such person.

And by so doing you have also helped several other innocent readers whom these mythomaniacs are out to prey on.

TAO11:
I think it’s good to engage them sometimes.

The rate at which misinformation spread, you would be surprised to realize how far it has gone and those forming innocent opinions from their lies.

Yes, I know it is way easier to beat 40 scholars with one fact, than to beat one idiot with 40 facts.



It is, however, sometimes advisable to stand up to a pathological liar and rub his liars on his face. That’s the first step to helping such person.



And by so doing you have also helped several other innocent readers whom these mythomaniacs are out to prey on.

Got your point, if we are arguing for the sake of misinformation,it worth it,but if we arguing to convince those mischievous kids we are wasting time, it like pouring water into basket, they know the truth since their common sense is intact and working, but they are trying to be loyal to their tribe in such away that anything or information that stoops their tribe down is false,anything that uphold their culture is right, their conclusion in argument is not based on evidence but self sentiment, what they should be

Ideadoctor:
Got your point, if we are arguing for the sake of misinformation,it worth it,but if we arguing to convince those mischievous kids we are wasting time, it like pouring water into basket, they know the truth since their common sense is intact and working, but they are trying to be loyal to their tribe in such away that anything or information that stoops their tribe down is false,anything that uphold their culture is right, their conclusion in argument is not based on evidence but self sentiment, what they should be

No way! That’s not my intention. No one can really convince a self-deceiver. You can only convince an honest individual.

A self-deceiver is like someone who is pretending to be asleep when he is in fact awake. You can’t wake such person up. You can only wake up someone who is sleeping.

My intention is only to debunk their misinformation and thus correctly informing the innocent reader.

At the same time, I am sending a message to the liar that his lies have no space here — I am not trying to change the liar’s mind to accept truth.

TAO11:
No way! That’s not my intention. No one can really convince a self-deceiver. You can only convince an honest individual.

A self-deceiver is like someone who is pretending to be asleep when he is in fact awake. You can’t wake such person up against his will. You can only wake up someone who is sleeping.

My intention is only to debunk their misinformation and thus correctly informing the innocent reader.

At the same time, I am sending a message to the liar that his lies have no space here — I am not trying to change the liar’s mind to accept truth.

Well done, ma. Honestly, you are trying! Arguing with mischievous people is not easy at all.

ABULARdotCOM:
Well done, ma. Honestly, you are trying! Arguing with mischievous people is not easy at all.

I agree with the bolded.

Thank you very much.

Balogunodua:

And you an half-baked historian who went to study lie as profession

Lol werey... I don't have to be a historian to know abt people culture
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I see u are too slow to understand that

TAO11:
You mean the authorities of Benin kingdom in modern times went the extra mile of obtaining an ancient Ife artifact; and then buried it in their own Palace so that it can be excavated at a later date in order to prove that the Benin Palace is not related to Ife. /S Right?? LAMO!

What a wonderful boomerang and self-refutation!? This is the real ’wahala be like bicycle’. Chai! Inferiority complex is a bastard!
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12876310_899f61a34da646cbaaf6a1bec2525a2c_jpeg_jpeg571ab659770123c429812067cc64e477 Not minding your boomeranging and self-debunking laughable supposition, archaeologists can always tell from the excavated artifacts if they were recently deposited or they’ve been deposited since ancient times.

Let me burst your bubble, he has also liknkd Egyptians to Ife — as descendants of Ife. He simply did all these on the pre-existing premise of the age-long Ife and general Yoruba religious belief that all of humanity (including Europeans) are originally descended from Ife. See the attachments below.

Historians treat these assertions as what they are — Yoruba belief. I am only “labouring” (as you put it — but successfully instead) on the descent of the Benin monarchy from Ile-Ife only because historians affirm it as historical; unlike the Igbos, Egyptians, Europeans, etc. Wake up and smell the coffee, Sam.

No, that’s not the reason ‘sweetheart’.

The reason is that I personally do not really care about your inferiority complex, and as such I wish to expose the historical truths to everyone included your south eastern neighbors — letting them realize (and they now do) that your Oba is a Yoruba man — regardless of the modern political twists.

Moreover, I can recall eyewitness accounts off the top of my head of Oyo-Dahomey relations from the 1700s. Moreover, the Aworis, Ijebus, Itsekiris also had early EUrOpEaN contact and writings from the same period as Benin.

Furthermore, Ibn Battuta’s writings on Ife and its king was in the 1300s. More than a hundred years before before EUrOpEaN’s arrival at the coast.

But like I have said earlier, I am discussing history not merely literature. In other words, “writing” is one of several historical evidence-types — all of which together prove that the Yoruba monarch is the father of the Benin monarch.

No, there is no need to steal EUrOpEaN writings on Benin, lad. I wonder if that is a statement to begin with.

Such effort would be counterintuitive when I already know that those same Benin writings agree with me that your Oba is a servant-monarch to an external overlord whom historians now identify as the Ooni of Ife.

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You have just proved my point that Yoruba don't have history but myths by your screenshot that says all human lives and religion originated from Ife.

There is nothing more to say, you have just proved my point.

I am happy that one of you ardent Igbo supporters said the same thing recently that all Yoruba discussed are lies and myths. Only those that are interested in myths take Yoruba history seriously. I am sure you saw the comment.

Serious minded people can't take you guys seriously with all your myths and fabrications.

1. Oduduwa is from the Sky
2. Oduduwa is the son of Ham
3. Oduduwa is from Egypt
4. Oduduwa is from Ife
5. All human began in Ife
6 All religions began in Ife
7. Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die
8. Ooni is a descendant of shrine keeper

Tell me one serious history student or history enthusiast that will take the above seriously.

Yoruba don't have history, all Yoruba have are myths and fabrications that keep changing according to the seasons and those telling the stories.

Like I said in my earlier comment, all society have their myths, but you will not see me propagating Benin myths as history. You will not see me sharing or referencing books on Benin myths to advance my arguments.

People debate myths in the absence of real history. Benin is full of real historical events, so no need for myths.

It took the European over 400 years after reaching Benin to get to Yoruba land. The European arrived Benin in the 1400s and didn't get to Yoruba land till 1824. Going from Benin City to Yoruba land was like travelling to furthest edge of the planet because of the challenge the terrain poses due to the backwardness of that locality at that time.

Infact European didn't borders taking the risk of venturing into this backwater until the decline of Benin, they only reached Ibadan towards the end of Benin empire and after Benin was destroyed by civil wars. So comparing Benin to Ibadan after Benin has been destroyed in the late 1800s is deceptive.

When the Europeans first arrived Benin, they immediately christened it a City comparable to their European cities of the time. Benin wasn't the first, non the only place the Europeans visited at this period in West Africa but it was the only place they deemed fit to call a City.

The European were so impressed by Benin City that they named an international body of water the bight of Benin after her. A clear departure from naming historical landmarks after themselves and their European kings and queens.

By the 16th century, the Oba of Benin sent an ambassador to Europe. The first in Africa.

The Benin moat was once recorded by the Guinness book of world records as greatest man made structure on earth

Throughout the 15th, 16th and the 17th century Obas of Benin had communications with Kings of Europe and the Pope.

Today, Benin artworks are found in all great museums of the world as a daily reminder of an Empire that existed and pride of the black race.

Now this is what real history looks like.

Keep telling Yoruba myths and fabrications to yourselves. I am sure that those that want to read real history and historical accounts of pre colonial Africa can find themselves historical materials on Benin Empire/kingdom to study not make up stories.

Ancient Benin history is at the same level with ancient Egypt, Rome and Greece.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrdunRXfbw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IlUMUGUorw

TAO11:

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so Edo have history and no myth abi,ogisos the sky fathers coming from the sky is history abi,you are write Europeans document Benin history when they founded the city the late centuries, but not before the Europeans came, but Yoruba history was well recorded before Europeans came, that was why your early Edo historians had to meet Yoruba people to explain some historical data

Theideadoctor:
so Edo have history and no myth abi,ogisos the sky fathers coming from the sky is history abi,you are write Europeans document Benin history when they founded the city the late centuries, but not before the Europeans came, but Yoruba history was well recorded before Europeans came, that was why your early Edo historians had to meet Yoruba people to explain some historical data

Benin like any other civilisation have both myths and history. Benin doesn't dwell or emphasise on myths because there are numerous historical accounts, achievements and accomplishments to point to.

Yoruba doesn't have historical accounts to point to, that is why Yoruba dwells on myths.

samuk:


Benin like any other civilisation have both myths and history. Benin doesn't dwell or emphasise on myths because there are numerous historical accounts, achievements and accomplishments to point to.

Yoruba doesn't have historical accounts to point to, that is why Yoruba dwells on myths.

proof to me that Benin history is authentic and Yoruba history is myth

samuk:
[s]You have just proved my point that Yoruba don't have history but myths by your screenshot that says all human lives and religion originated from Ife.

There is nothing more to say, you have just proved my point.

I am happy that one of you ardent Igbo supporters said the same thing recently that all Yoruba discussed are lies and myths. Only those that are interested in myths take Yoruba history seriously. I am sure you saw the comment.

Serious minded people can't take you guys seriously with all your myths and fabrications.

1. Oduduwa is from the Sky
2. Oduduwa is the son of Ham
3. Oduduwa is from Egypt
4. Oduduwa is from Ife
5. All human began in Ife
6 All religions began in Ife
7. Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die
8. Ooni is a descendant of shrine keeper

Tell me one serious history student or history enthusiast that will take the above seriously.

Yoruba don't have history, all Yoruba have are myths and fabrications that keep changing according to the seasons and those telling the stories.

Like I said in my earlier comment, all society have their myths, but you will not see me propagating Benin myths as history. You will not see me sharing or referencing books on Benin myths to advance my arguments.

People debate myths in the absence of real history. Benin is full of real historical events, so no need for myths.

It took the European over 400 years after reaching Benin to get to Yoruba land. The European arrived Benin in the 1400s and didn't get to Yoruba land till 1824. Going from Benin City to Yoruba land was like travelling to furthest edge of the planet because of the challenge the terrain poses due to the backwardness of that locality at that time.

Infact European didn't borders taking the risk of venturing into this backwater until the decline of Benin, they only reached Ibadan towards the end of Benin empire and after Benin was destroyed by civil wars. So comparing Benin to Ibadan after Benin has been destroyed in the late 1800s is deceptive.

When the Europeans first arrived Benin, they immediately christened it a City comparable to their European cities of the time. Benin wasn't the first, non the only place the Europeans visited at this period in West Africa but it was the only place they deemed fit to call a City.

The European were so impressed by Benin City that they named an international body of water the bight of Benin after her. A clear departure from naming historical landmarks after themselves and their European kings and queens.

By the 16th century, the Oba of Benin sent an ambassador to Europe. The first in Africa.

The Benin moat was once recorded by the Guinness book of world records as greatest man made structure on earth

Throughout the 15th, 16th and the 17th century Obas of Benin had communications with Kings of Europe and the Pope.

Today, Benin artworks are found in all great museums of the world as a daily reminder of an Empire that existed and pride of the black race.

Now this is what real history looks like.

Keep telling Yoruba myths and fabrications to yourselves. I am sure that those that want to read real history and historical accounts of pre colonial Africa can find themselves historical materials on Benin Empire/kingdom to study not make up stories.

Ancient Benin history is at the same level with ancient Egypt, Rome and Greece.[/s]

Balogunodua come and see something oo. Our obese midget aka @samuk has been flogged into ranting mode.

I could swear that he typed all these rants with a heavy heart and perhaps with a flood of tears gushing from his eyes. I hope I don’t drown him in his own tears.

So far, he has shifted from outright lies, to critical denial, and now to confused rants. He needed an escape route so badly.

Should I grant him an escape, or should I continue the flogging no matter where he runs to? I will let our amiable audience decide.

Listen up midget: The idea that all humans sprang out of Ife was clearly stated to be a Yoruba belief.

No historian said it was a historical nor do they confuse it as such. Neither did I claim it was historical.

In fact, I brought it up in refutation of your attempt to treat it as historical vis-a-vis the south easterners.

Moreover, virtually all serious ancient cultures has its own version of such belief wherein it is said that theirs is the origin of all other nations.

Moreover, your reiteration of the ‘oOni is sHriNe kEepEr’ claim depicts you as a disgruntled and depressed overweight kid considering how I already been debunked that as a political fabrication — using your own reference.

Anyways I want you, midget, to answer the following questions without a single drop of tears:

(1) Where do Binis’ ancestors and kings’ progenitors originate from?

(A) From the sky, according to Benin cultural account.

(B) From the last born son of Almighty God, according to Omonoba Erediauwa.

(C) From Ife, according to the classical and “official” Benin account.

(D) From Egypt, according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(E) From Sudan, still according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(F) From Europe, according to an 1823 account from Benin.

What is actually very interesting about these contradictions is that unlike in the case of the Yorubas, all these contradictory origins actually are actually given by the Binis themselves — none from outsiders same people.

(2) Where on the webpage of the Guinness World Record was Benin claimed to have the “gReAtEsT mAn mAdE sTrUcTuRe oN eArTH”?

NB: Your source must match your claim. It must be from the Guinness World Record. Not from the Facebook post of some random individuals.

On the contrary, I have my Guinness World Record source which debunks your claim and exposes it to be an ignorant falsehood.

(3) If Benin was truly the best thing after jollof-rice as you’ve claimed, can you then explain to everyone why an eyewitness comparison of Benin and Yorubaland (prior to the punishment meted on Benin in 1897) yielded the following information:

“All the rest of West Africa that I know is squalid. Squalor is just the one idea that strikes one. Benin in the old days was more than squalid. It was gruesome. What the exact influence of the place was, or rather what the cause was of the influence felt, I cannot say, but the fact remains that no one who went there in the old days came away without being impressed.

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As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. There was no wealth, nor was there even power, except the power of the influence of fetish, and a sense of a spirit of a long past of atrocities, which if not supernatural, were at any rate unnatural to a degree which is indescribable. I remember the return of two of Miller Brothers’ men from a visit they paid to Benin after I had been there. They arrived at Guatun one evening, and showed plainly on their faces the mental strain that their visit had been to them.”

Reference: Cyril Punch‘s Letters of 1889; quoted in H. Ling Roth, 1903, p. vii.

(4) Could you please bring forward any ancient Benin sculpture whose realism & naturalism comes (even remotely) close to that of the two ancient Ife sculptures below ??
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769978_675abba9d9564c2a9dccbada6660916f_jpeg_jpeg27a46c1bc047f1e86dc445535a6a98d9
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12769979_5ae1b03b628943719aad9fbe9e13c73b_jpeg_jpega3d9f3de8494386a47ac23021a7e81b9
If you can provide such ancient Benin sculpture, then I pinky promise to allow you go about peddling lies freely all over Nairaland. I promise. This is the opportunity you have been waiting for. Grab it!

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“[size=10pt]First of all, we have already seen from Mr Cyril Punch’s Letters (written prior to the 1897 punitive expedition on Benin) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland.

This already kills your grandiose delusions to the effect that the Europeans chose settling in Benin because they found it to be more grand in comparison to the Yoruba interior.

However, I wish to expose the logical absurdity behind your reasoning ab-initio.

First you claimed that while the Europeans had been in and around Benin four many centuries, they did not venture into the Yoruba interior until in the 1800s.

In the same breath you also claimed that they chose to settle in and around Benin because Benin was more grand compared to the Yoruba interior.

Now you have to make up your mind: On what basis did they choose where to settle between the Yoruba interior and Benin ??

At the time of their arrival, did they visit or did they not visit the Yoruba interior? Make up your mid.

Moreover, the Europeans were leaving their countries to visit the “Nigeria” region (among other regions of Africa) for the first time.

Their settling along and close to the coast (rather than in the hinterland) therefore has nothing to do with the self-refuting idea of a premeditated plan to settle in Benin.
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Having exposed this absurdity of your lies, and having also shown (from pre-1897 eyewitness account) that “Benin was inconsiderable compared with” Yorubaland; I proceed now to state the reasons for their settling in and around Benin:

The Europeans would not dare penetrate the hinterland of the west Africa forest at a time when the knowledge of medicine was still at its infancy. The discovery of the first true antibiotic is only a very recent success.

They knew therefore that they were to settle in cities, town, or villages close to the coast. And the coastal area of the “Nigeria” region was not an exception.

They settled for these reasons along the coast and had their first contacts and continued relationships with the coastal Yorubas (Itsekiri, Ijebus, and Aworis) and then with Binis also after that.

Their latter heavy presence in Benin was due primarily to topographical reasons. The coast of Ughoton (unlike those of Lagos, Ijebu, and Ilaje) was way deeper, and thus easily serves as a natural harbour capable of taking their large ships.

Early approaches to the coast of Lagos were relatively more difficult due to sandbars. The Ijebu and Ilaje coasts had no access even comparable to those of Lagos.

In case someone was wondering, the Europeans didn’t come flying over the interior with some airplanes from which they saw where was more grand to make their choice of landing

Cheers!

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TAO11:
Balogunodua come and see something oo. Our obese midget aka samuk has been flogged into ranting mode oo.

I guess his brain dissolved after I landed heavy beating on his skull. Like I predicted, critical denial way out

For the sake of balance, let’s ponder some important questions on the roots of Binis’ ancestors and kings’ progenitors.

Where do Binis’ ancestors and kings’ progenitors originate from?:

(A) From the sky, according to Benin cultural account.

(B) From the last born son of Almighty God, according to Omonoba Erediauwa.

(C) From Ife, according to the classical and “official” Benin account.

(D) From Egypt, according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(E) From Sudan, still according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(F) From Europe, according to an 1823 account from Benin.

What’s actually very interesting about these contradictory sources is that unlike in the case of the Yorubas, all these contradictions actually come from the same people — the Binis themselves.

Lmao... Who made R.E. Bradbury work the official account of Benin?

The word official means something that is approved by authority

Clearly this ur ofFiCIal acCOuNt wasn't endorsed by any Benin chief or Oba

So what makes it official

Mtcheew

Etinosa1234:
Lmao... Who made R.E. Bradbury work the official account of Benin?

The word official means something that is approved by authority

Clearly this ur ofFiCIal acCOuNt wasn't endorsed by any Benin chief or Oba

So what makes it official

Mtcheew

Questions:

(1) What is “R.E. Bradbury work” and what does it have to do with the account deemed “official” by the Benin authorities??

(2) What is “clearly”? How can “clearly” be proven ??

Go and be playing outside in the sand unless you explain ya sef vis-a-vis my questions here.

Oya alele

TAO11:
Balogunodua come and see something oo. Our obese midget aka @samuk has been flogged into ranting mode oo.

I could swear that he typed all this rants with heavy flood of tears gushing from his eyes. I hope I don’t drown him in his own tears.

So far, he has shifted from outright lies, to critical denial, and now to confused rant with lie toppings. He needed an escape route from me so badly.

Should I grant him an escape, or still continuing the flogging no matter where he runs to?

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Anyways, I want our midget to answer the following question without any tear flow from his eyes.

(1) Where do Binis’ ancestors and kings’ progenitors originate from?:

(A) From the sky, according to Benin cultural account.

(B) From the last born son of Almighty God, according to Omonoba Erediauwa.

(C) From Ife, according to the classical and “official” Benin account.

(D) From Egypt, according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(E) From Sudan, still according to Benin Chief Egharevba’s 1954 publication.

(F) From Europe, according to an 1823 account from Benin.

What is actually very interesting about these contradictions is that unlike in the case of the Yorubas, all these contradictions actually come from the same people — the Binis themselves.

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the guy just tire me....

TAO11:
[s]Questions:

(1) What is “R.E. Bradbury work” and what does it have to do with the account deemed “official” by the Benin authorities??

(2) What is “clearly”? How can clearly be proven ??

Go and be playing outside in the sand unless you explain ya sef vis-a-vis my questions here.

Oya alele[/s]

Which [b]official[b] Benin account said that Benin came from ife...

See this clown sha

Etinosa1234:


Lmao... Who made R.E. Bradbury work the official account of Benin?

The word official means something that is approved by authority

Clearly this ur ofFiCIal acCOuNt wasn't endorsed by any Benin chief or Oba

So what makes it official

Mtcheew

Mtcheew is now your anthem...

Etinosa1234:
[s]Which official Benin account said that Benin came from ife...

See this clown [/s]

Did you just call it bRaDbUry or not? Hahah!

Now make up your mind: Is it bRadbUry or you need the reference?

You must pick one! LMAO!

Etinosa1234 where is your broda valirex? he told me my name is now the anthem in Edo state