[quote author=Theplotter post=108891280][/quote]


Oromiyan never existed it was the hand work of sultan bello and Samuel johson imagination...

Oduduwa was the original friction character

Theplotter:



You mean the way Oranmiyan our father trashed the useless Ogisos of Edo descendants and installed the sophisticated political system of the great Yoruba people.

Satisfactorily stated.

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gregyboy:



Oromiyan never existed it was the hand work of sultan below and Samuel johson imagination...

Oduduwa was the original friction character

Can you proof that the family cum house name in Igodomigodo that gave Oba Bini the sword of authority ? Stop ranting and learn it that Yoruba imposed her culture, language and her monarchial system in your land.

rhektor:


Your response seems too much for him, don't expect any reasonable response other than the usual conjectures. You should have leave it at the question stages. Anyway, good write up there keep winning, as we go into the year 2022 I hope Bini delusionists would find internal peace

Peace be upon you in the forthcoming Gregorian Calendar Year. May the season brings forth abundance to you and your family.

Olu317:
Can you proof that the family cum house name in Igodomigodo that gave Oba Bini the sword of authority ? Stop ranting and learn it that Yoruba imposed her culture, language and her monarchial system in your land.

Can you show me a text or document were benin mention oromiyan just as they mention eweka, ewuare ezoti to the Europeans before the Collapse of the benin empire.... In 1897 or shouldn't you be consigned about this before you lay claim for oromiyan stool in benin



Its funny you guys are still holding on to the false political fabricated history made during colonization for political benefit for the edo and Yoruba people

Its so funny how Yoruba since ages have been attaching their weak history to benin even before the empire collapsed and even till date

Samuel ajayi Crowther was the first to do it, followed by johson in other to sell their books to the Europeans and get their attention

Samuel johson narrative of benin and oromiyan claimed that oromiyan was a younger brother to the oba of benin amongst the rest children of Oduduwa

*Samuel ajayi Crowther claimed Oduduwa was a female diety

The recent narrative between oromiyan and benin after Samuel johson frictional writeup of 1897, waa established in 1920s,claiming oromiyan who originally should be the younger brother to the benin was now a stranger who they had to travel to benin, and was beg to come conquer benin to save it,


First Oduduwa is a fairy tale that began from sultan bello and improved on by Samuel johson prior to them the history of Oduduwa never existed amongst the locals
And sultan bello happened to be a fulani and not even a Yoruba man, but the son of usman danfiodo

The Yoruba history na cruise and so the urge to attach a non cruise history to theirs is high

Olu317:
Can you proof that the family cum house name in Igodomigodo that gave Oba Bini the sword of authority ? Stop ranting and learn it that Yoruba imposed her culture, language and her monarchial system in your land.

Ogodomigo was a frictional name coined by egharevba, Benin was known as edo and was known to the European as benin

The word Benin was coined from the itsekiris
Who warned the Portuguese with Yoruba to stay clear off edo lands and called it ile binu which means land of anger

gregyboy:



Ogodomigo was a frictional name coined by egharevba, Benin was known as edo and was known to the European as benin

The word Benin was coined from the itsekiris
Who warned the Portuguese with Yoruba to stay clear off edo lands and called it ile binu which means land of anger

At least, you agreed that Benin is coined from yoruba words, that's good, you are coming up, try to open your heart to the other truths it will really help you know more about your root which is Ife the Cradle of our great Civilization that is admired far and wide.

gregyboy:



Ogodomigo was a frictional name coined by egharevba, Benin was known as edo and was known to the European as benin

The word Benin was coined from the itsekiris
Who warned the Portuguese with Yoruba to stay clear off edo lands and called it ile binu which means land of anger

Stop lying . Igodomigodo was never Benu/Binu/Bini before Oranmian. Efas,Ogiamiens, Yehkee, Ika, Urhobo etc.

Ekiokpagha treaty will stand the test of time forever in Edo land between your Yoruba Oba and Ogiamien family relationship cannot be broken. No matter how much liars you people spread.

It was before your many of your ancestors and so shall it live till death do you and your Yoruba overlord king ; Oba Bini Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo and you , the servants and freeborn in Edo land.

Furthermore, Itsekiri was not in existence as at when Bini was formed . Infact Bini
was formed as a name around late 11 century AD. So stop polluting the air with this false information.

Ginuwa was even a distant patrilineal son of Ọwọ́mikà/Owọ́mikà(eweka), who himself was a son of odedé Prince King orànmiyàn, who later became Ooni/ Aani(Owner) .

Meanwhile, answer my question on the sword that I ask you . Or is it hard to know the family that gives such out ?

Olu317:
Stop lying . Igodomigodo was never Benu/Binu/Bini before Oranmian. Efas,Ogiamiens, Yehkee, Ika, Urhobo etc.
treaty will stand the test of time forever in Edo land between your Yoruba Oba and Ogiamien family relationship cannot be broken. No matter how much liars you people spread.

It was before your many of your ancestors and so shall it live till death do you7 and your Yoruba overlord king ; Oba Bini Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo and you , the servants and freeborn in Edo land.

Furthermore, Itsekiri was not in existence as at when Bini was formed . Infact Bini
was formed as a name around late 11 century AD. So stop polluting the air with this false information.

Ginuwa was even a distant patrilineal son of Ọwọ́mikà/Owọ́mikà(eweka), who himself was a son of odedé Prince King orànmiyàn, who later became Ooni/ Aani(Owner) .

Meanwhile, answer my question on the sword that I ask you . Or is it hard to know the family that gives such out ?

Many nonsense in one writeup the only one that got my attention was Ekiokpagha treaty like i will always say the treaty is an indigenous treaty involving the palace and a commoner

The history was only twisted in the 30s to accompany yoruba fairytale

They were so many other treaty that occurred in the benin empire and they are indigenous

Stop forcing Yoruba into our history we have long passed the stage when we needed the attention not anymore

Ife, oromiyan, Oduduwa in benin history are recent invention

gregyboy:



Many nonsense in one writeup the only one that got my attention was Ekiokpagha treaty like i will always say the treaty is an indigenous treaty involving the palace and a commoner

The history was only twisted in the 30s to accompany yoruba fairytale

They were so many other treaty that occurred in the benin empire and they are indigenous

Stop forcing Yoruba into our history we have long passed the stage when we needed the attention not anymore

Ife, oromiyan, Oduduwa in benin history are recent invention

There is nothing like someone forcing history on you, history is a record of past events which sometimes favor and glorify some group of people while it degrade some other group of people, that is history.

Yoruba people in all their glory were defeated by fulani due to their disunity, it had happen, it had become history and they are not denying it.

Some yoruba towns such as Akure and some part of Lagos was under Benin control, no argument, because it was so and apparently so.
Those are the times history did not favor Yoruba people, but Yoruba people never deny all this fact.

But when it comes to Edo people, especially dreamy gregyboy, their pride would not allow them to accept the obvious words of history.

Your kings answer as Oba, you denied that Oba is not indigenous to Yoruba but to Edo, but history says your indigenous kings are called Ogisos.

You said Oduduwa is a Benin man, but that was a recent theory propose by patriotic Benin revisionist.

Oranmiyan named Benin but you deny this also and claim that it was itsekiri people that named Benin...etc

Now, here is the truth, either you accept history or not we the Yorubas are the source of your royalty, either you agree or not, your own opinion doesn't matter to me because it doesn't change anything,if you like ram your head hard against history book, ntoooor, it will not change anything, we be your baba, your father.

In fact all this comments and response Yorubas on this thread are given you is because they just want to chat to kill their time, they know that you are just one pained Edo boy intimidated by the dominating nature of the Yoruba culture.

In the real life, you can not be spitting all these trash, even if you say some of this things in the hearing of your father he would have dash you atleast three slaps in quick succession.

You think Yoruba is your mate.
If you want someone to play with, go and meet, some other minor tribes like yours to banter with.

You kid, infact, intellectually you are not mate with The descendants of Oduduwa, i am always amazed at how Tao12, a wonderful product of the Yoruba race whipps you mad in all trends you stick your ugly head, your IQ cannot be compared with our IQ.

Do you even know how hard it is for me to be answering your stupid trends and comments.

Becareful, in case you come across Yoruba kings in real life, do not disrespect them the way you do on nairaland, because if you do, heaven bear me witness that you won't go unscathed.

So pin your mouth and think before you talk, when you see trends about Yoruba just. Ignore it and if you can't go through it and comment like a good boy, ok.

Ma gbadun....

gregyboy:



Many nonsense in one writeup the only one that got my attention was Ekiokpagha treaty like i will always say the treaty is an indigenous treaty involving the palace and a commoner

The history was only twisted in the 30s to accompany yoruba fairytale

They were so many other treaty that occurred in the benin empire and they are indigenous

Stop forcing Yoruba into our history we have long passed the stage when we needed the attention not anymore

Ife, oromiyan, Oduduwa in benin history are recent invention

Go drink carbonated water. Since you have no knowledge of your Edo Kingdom..

Theplotter:


There is nothing like someone forcing history on you, history is a record of past events which sometimes favor and glorify some group of people while it degrade some other group of people, that is history.

Yoruba people in all their glory were defeated by fulani due to their disunity, it had happen, it had become history and they are not denying it.

Some yoruba towns such as Akure and some part of Lagos was under Benin control, no argument, because it was so and apparently so.
Those are the times history did not favor Yoruba people, but Yoruba people never deny all this fact.

But when it comes to Edo people, especially dreamy gregyboy, their pride would not allow them to accept the obvious words of history.

Your kings answer as Oba, you denied that Oba is not indigenous to Yoruba but to Edo, but history says your indigenous kings are called Ogisos.

You said Oduduwa is a Benin man, but that was a recent theory propose by patriotic Benin revisionist.

Oranmiyan named Benin but you deny this also and claim that it was itsekiri people that named Benin...etc

Now, here is the truth, either you accept history or not we the Yorubas are the source of your royalty, either you agree or not, your own opinion doesn't matter to me because it doesn't change anything,if you like ram your head hard against history book, ntoooor, it will not change anything, we be your baba, your father.

In fact all this comments and response Yorubas on this thread are given you is because they just want to chat to kill their time, they know that you are just one pained Edo boy intimidated by the dominating nature of the Yoruba culture.

In the real life, you can not be spitting all these trash, even if you say some of this things in the hearing of your father he would have dash you atleast three slaps in quick succession.

You think Yoruba is your mate.
If you want someone to play with, go and meet, some other minor tribes like yours to banter with.

You kid, infact, intellectually you are not mate with The descendants of Oduduwa, i am always amazed at how Tao12, a wonderful product of the Yoruba race whipps you mad in all trends you stick your ugly head, your IQ cannot be compared with our IQ.

Do you even know how hard it is for me to be answering your stupid trends and comments.

Becareful, in case you come across Yoruba kings in real life, do not disrespect them the way you do on nairaland, because if you do, heaven bear me witness that you won't go unscathed.

So pin your mouth and think before you talk, when you see trends about Yoruba just. Ignore it and if you can't go through it and comment like a good boy, ok.

Ma gbadun....

Attache, i dont even blame you, you are probably from kwarra

You dont even know your own history but so quick to talk on other people history

You're probably not even from the ife, benin, or oyo that the historical lie is centered on.... So you may just be catching cruise all the way from kwarra state because you think you're Yoruba


Edo the land of the great oba along with ancestors sold Yorubas as slaves and kept the reat for sacrifice in our alters they are European document fact on all of this


The benin controlled the entire lagos point of correction


Oduduwa never existed it was the handwork of sultan bello who invented him and was now documented by Johnson

Benin was coined by the itsekiris who warned the Portuguese not to venture into benin and so they called it land of anger

Ogidomigodo and ogiso were frictional works of eghrevba who sorted wayd to make benin dynasty older

There was never really ogiso what we had was
Ogie and an oba Note benin traditional worship doesn't believe in heavenly beings they believe life begins and end ob earth until the Europeans came with their beliefs and introduced the concept of heavenly beings
That was when the concept of ogiso was born as a folklore in benin ......


Throughout the European visitation and trade in benin names like oromiyan, Oduduwa were never mention untill after amalgamation


Attaching yoruba false history with benin was done for political reasons that era is gone smell the coffee that the Yoruba history is worthless without benin attaching to it

gregyboy:



Attache, i dont even blame you, you are probably from kwarra

You dont even know your own history but so quick to talk on other people history

You're probably not even from the ife, benin, or oyo that the historical lie is centered on.... So you may just be catching cruise all the way from kwarra state because you think you're Yoruba


Edo the land of the great oba along with ancestors sold Yorubas as slaves and kept the reat for sacrifice in our alters they are European document fact on all of this


The benin controlled the entire lagos point of correction


Oduduwa never existed it was the handwork of sultan bello who invented him and was now documented by Johnson

Benin was coined by the itsekiris who warned the Portuguese not to venture into benin and so they called it land of anger

Ogidomigodo and ogiso were frictional works of eghrevba who sorted wayd to make benin dynasty older

There was never really ogiso what we had was
Ogie and an oba Note benin traditional worship doesn't believe in heavenly beings they believe life begins and end ob earth until the Europeans came with their beliefs and introduced the concept of heavenly beings
That was when the concept of ogiso was born as a folklore in benin ......


Throughout the European visitation and trade in benin names like oromiyan, Oduduwa were never mention untill after amalgamation


Attaching yoruba false history with benin was done for political reasons that era is gone smell the coffee that the Yoruba history is worthless without benin attaching to it

I disagree that the history of Yoruba was falsely attached to the Benin for political relevance by the Whites. Your claims are not only irrational, baseless but also laced with sentiments. I would love you to furnish me with literatures and references to back up your unsubstantiated claims. Why would the Whites favour the Yorubas history over the Benin? What makes the Yorubas so special to them? I hope you know that most historical literature about the Benin and the Yoruba were mostly written before Nigeria independence, some before Nigeria was even formed? The word Ile Ibinu (Land of Anger) later corrupted to Benin is a Yoruba word and was coined by Odede. Likewise, the word Ewomika (my hand has reached it) later corrupted to Eweka is a Yoruba phrase. The royal house of Benin, Oyo, Ile-Ife, etc, are all related by blood. Even the Ibini Royalties never dispute or deny this (except commoners like you). I noticed that many of you that often meddle in Benin/Ife issue are not even from Benin. Being from Edo state doesn't mean you're a Benin.

In ancient times, there are tribes, clans and kins all over Africa some of which are related by blood, marriage or via common ancestral relatedness and cultural similarities. It was the creation of countries and states that divided us as a people. For instance, the Okuns, Ijebus, Ijesha, Aworis, Ibadans, Sarkis, Itsekiris, etc, are all kins. The first people to be called the Yorubas are the Oyos (Katunga). Although in recent times, the word Yoruba is used to refer to people with ancestral link to Ile Ife. The Oyos have a great empire that extended from the bank of River Niger to Ibadan and westward into Dahomey and parts of Togo, just as the Ibini empire extend eastward to parts of Niger Delta. Mind you, the Oyos are great people with an organized system of government just as the Ibinis. So, why would they need the Benin to be called great people? Meanwhile, these two great empires (Oyo and Benin) were founded by the same person Odede (also known as Emperor Oranmiyan) the son of Odu'a, the great king of Ile Ife. Invariably, the royalties of Oyo, Ile-Ife, Ibini, Eko, Ijesha, etc, are kins.

In modern era, the Yorubas are known to be educated, intelligent, exposed and are pace-setters, so why would they need anyone to validate them? Politically, the Yorubas need more of its population, education and expose to be relevant not an attachment with Benin. No matter how much you try, you can't change history. To break your heart, I would like to inform you that the Benins just like the Oyos were great in the past not anymore. I get am before no be property.

gregyboy:


Samuk, kingOkon, Etinosa1234, Valirex ugbe Areafada1

Our runaway is back....


Hope you brought some new lies your old ones are already stale......


You should be busy proving the existence of Oduduwa before any of your lies towards benin will resurface
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee
Samuk

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No be small thing
Learnt she was on special Oracle consultation to d gods to seek solution for the Ogane abominable marriages

abulude:



I disagree that the history of Yoruba was falsely attached to the Benin for political relevance by the Whites. Your claims are not only irrational, baseless but also laced with sentiments. I would love you to furnish me with literatures and references to back up your unsubstantiated claims. Why would the Whites favour the Yorubas history over the Benin? What makes the Yorubas so special to them? I hope you know that most historical literature about the Benin and the Yoruba were mostly written before Nigeria independence, some before Nigeria was even formed? The word Ile Ibinu (Land of Anger) later corrupted to Benin is a Yoruba word and was coined by Odede. Likewise, the word Ewomika (my hand has reached it) later corrupted to Eweka is a Yoruba phrase. The royal house of Benin, Oyo, Ile-Ife, etc, are all related by blood. Even the Ibini Royalties never dispute or deny this (except commoners like you). I noticed that many of you that often meddle in Benin/Ife issue are not even from Benin. Being from Edo state doesn't mean you're a Benin.

In ancient times, there are tribes, clans and kins all over Africa some of which are related by blood, marriage or via common ancestral relatedness and cultural similarities. It was the creation of countries and states that divided us as a people. For instance, the Okuns, Ijebus, Ijesha, Aworis, Ibadans, Sarkis, Itsekiris, etc, are all kins. The first people to be called the Yorubas are the Oyos (Katunga). Although in recent times, the word Yoruba is used to refer to people with ancestral link to Ile Ife. The Oyos have a great empire that extended from the bank of River Niger to Ibadan and westward into Dahomey and parts of Togo, just as the Ibini empire extend eastward to parts of Niger Delta. Mind you, the Oyos are great people with an organized system of government just as the Ibinis. So, why would they need the Benin to be called great people? Meanwhile, these two great empires (Oyo and Benin) were founded by the same person Odede (also known as Emperor Oranmiyan) the son of Odu'a, the great king of Ile Ife. Invariably, the royalties of Oyo, Ile-Ife, Ibini, Eko, Ijesha, etc, are kins.

In modern era, the Yorubas are known to be educated, intelligent, exposed and are pace-setters, so why would they need anyone to validate them? Politically, the Yorubas need more of its population, education and expose to be relevant not an attachment with Benin. No matter how much you try, you can't change history. To break your heart, I would like to inform you that the Benins just like the Oyos were great in the past not anymore. I get am before no be property.

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Very very fraudulent map
The Oyo Empire never controlled any seaport

gregyboy:



Attache, i dont even blame you, you are probably from kwarra

You dont even know your own history but so quick to talk on other people history

You're probably not even from the ife, benin, or oyo that the historical lie is centered on.... So you may just be catching cruise all the way from kwarra state because you think you're Yoruba


Edo the land of the great oba along with ancestors sold Yorubas as slaves and kept the reat for sacrifice in our alters they are European document fact on all of this


The benin controlled the entire lagos point of correction


Oduduwa never existed it was the handwork of sultan bello who invented him and was now documented by Johnson

Benin was coined by the itsekiris who warned the Portuguese not to venture into benin and so they called it land of anger

Ogidomigodo and ogiso were frictional works of eghrevba who sorted wayd to make benin dynasty older

There was never really ogiso what we had was
Ogie and an oba Note benin traditional worship doesn't believe in heavenly beings they believe life begins and end ob earth until the Europeans came with their beliefs and introduced the concept of heavenly beings
That was when the concept of ogiso was born as a folklore in benin ......


Throughout the European visitation and trade in benin names like oromiyan, Oduduwa were never mention untill after amalgamation


Attaching yoruba false history with benin was done for political reasons that era is gone smell the coffee that the Yoruba history is worthless without benin attaching to it

If you say some yoruba are used as sacrifice in Benin, that is another fact of history that i can not deny.

Yoruba has a race, is too large to be assumed under the more militaristic Yoruba societies such as Oyo, Ibadan and Abeokuta and thus do not enjoy maximum military protection, and so they became a target of slave traders, and the mass of this slave traders were Yoruba themselves.

Benin is very small and so more easy to control especially by a king who has absolute power over the people ( that is because of his Yoruba blood), couple with the fact that Benin contacted the Europeans early and so they had assess to guns and gunpowder, Benin transformed from a kingdom filled with cowards who built large moats to protect themselves against invaders and started expansion against their neighbors using the power of gunpowder.

But Benin glory was short because they only got the guns not the guts, the Ibadan travelled a long mile and recover Akure and some other eastern Yoruba tribes under Benin.

Ogendegbe decided to teach the Oba a lesson and marched on Benin, it was the Benin Chiefs in their large feminine skirts that came to beg him( that is to tell you that because you kill a snake doesn't mean you can kill all snakes)

Concerning the whole of Lagos being under Benin, in your wildest dream.
Omo you dey dream big time.

I don't have time to write epistles on that chapter,Tao12 had done that several time but since you are dumb you still don't get it.

Now concerning my identity as Yoruba which had become your own problem,let it be your problem.

You are a child, a naive child,pained by the outcome of history which is difficult to accept, sorry, because at the end of the day Yoruba benin is just a weak minor tribe that has to keep quiet when great kings are talking.

Take the itsekiri kingship as example,there is a written law that states that only a son born of itsekiri or Benin blood that can become king, but a son born of a Yoruba woman cannot, aaahaa!! I laugh.
When the Ooni and some other Yoruba kings intervened in the matter, kiakia the Yoruba boy became king, that is power, that is influence.

The Oba can't do anything, he knew his seniors had put their hands into the issue so he could not interven.

Today Lagos had become a prominent Yoruba city known far and wide, call it a no man's land, your opinion.
Even some parts of the acclaimed Benin are been bought by powerful yoruba men, there is nothing you can do about it.

We are smart, we are strong, we are cunning, we are precise, we are strategic.
No wonder the Edo people asked for a son of our father to rule them. There is nothing you can do about it.

Benin can never start whahala with Yoruba, because they are not fit, the day they do, they will lose all they the influence, the glory and their ties even with other minor tribes, Yoruba people will make sure of that.

No be by mouth, we are great.
In culture,in language, in tradition, in music in all you can ever think of.

If you speak trash again, i would still come and give you your medicine, good morning.

Theplotter:


If you say some yoruba are used as sacrifice in Benin, that is another fact of history that i can not deny.

Yoruba has a race, is too large to be assumed under the more militaristic Yoruba societies such as Oyo, Ibadan and Abeokuta and thus do not enjoy maximum military protection, and so they became a target of slave traders, and the mass of this slave traders were Yoruba themselves.

Benin is very small and so more easy to control especially by a king who has absolute power over the people ( that is because of his Yoruba blood), couple with the fact that Benin contacted the Europeans early and so they had assess to guns and gunpowder, Benin transformed from a kingdom filled with cowards who built large moats to protect themselves against invaders and started expansion against their neighbors using the power of gunpowder.

But Benin glory was short because they only got the guns not the guts, the Ibadan travelled a long mile and recover Akure and some other eastern Yoruba tribes under Benin.

Ogendegbe decided to teach the Oba a lesson and marched on Benin, it was the Benin Chiefs in their large feminine skirts that came to beg him( that is to tell you that because you kill a snake doesn't mean you can kill all snakes)

Concerning the whole of Lagos being under Benin, in your wildest dream.
Omo you dey dream big time.

I don't have time to write epistles on that chapter,Tao12 had done that several time but since you are dumb you still don't get it.

Now concerning my identity as Yoruba which had become your own problem,let it be your problem.

You are a child, a naive child,pained by the outcome of history which is difficult to accept, sorry, because at the end of the day Yoruba benin is just a weak minor tribe that has to keep quiet when great kings are talking.

Take the itsekiri kingship as example,there is a written law that states that only a son born of itsekiri or Benin blood that can become king, but a son born of a Yoruba woman cannot, aaahaa!! I laugh.
When the Ooni and some other Yoruba kings intervened in the matter, kiakia the Yoruba boy became king, that is power, that is influence.

The Oba can't do anything, he knew his seniors had put their hands into the issue so he could not interven.

Today Lagos had become a prominent Yoruba city known far and wide, call it a no man's land, your opinion.
Even some parts of the acclaimed Benin are been bought by powerful yoruba men, there is nothing you can do about it.

We are smart, we are strong, we are cunning, we are precise, we are strategic.
No wonder the Edo people asked for a son of our father to rule them. There is nothing you can do about it.

Benin can never start whahala with Yoruba, because they are not fit, the day they do, they will lose all they the influence, the glory and their ties even with other minor tribes, Yoruba people will make sure of that.

No be by mouth, we are great.
In culture,in language, in tradition, in music in all you can ever think of.

If you speak trash again, i would still come and give you your medicine, good morning.

Funny how the Yoruba history on benin begins with begging....


Benin came to beg for Oduduwa to rule
them
Benin begged ogendegbe to abscond venturing into benin

Tell me in the whole of history you have read were there was this much begging in historical records

Seems the Yoruba lie on benin history begins and end with the word beg to appease thier lies on benins

gregyboy:


Samuk, kingOkon, Etinosa1234, Valirex ugbe Areafada1

Our runaway is back....


Hope you brought some new lies your old ones are already stale......


You should be busy proving the existence of Oduduwa before any of your lies towards benin will resurface
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee
Samuk

Lol you dey mind the clown their Oni when woman no dey last for him hand, him wife don divorce am

I heard na the 3rd woman dry divorce am

[quote author=gregyboy post=108952539]

Funny how the Yoruba history on benin begins with begging....


Benin came to beg for Oduduwa to rule
them
Benin begged ogendegbe to abscond venturing into benin

Tell me in the whole of history you have read were there was this much begging in historical records

Seems the Yoruba lie on benin history begins and end with the word beg to appease thier lies on benins [/quote

Yes, Benin begged Ife for king, and they vegged ogendegbe not to attack Benin.

abulude:



I disagree that the history of Yoruba was falsely attached to the Benin for political relevance by the Whites. Your claims are not only irrational, baseless but also laced with sentiments. I would love you to furnish me with literatures and references to back up your unsubstantiated claims. Why would the Whites favour the Yorubas history over the Benin? What makes the Yorubas so special to them? I hope you know that most historical literature about the Benin and the Yoruba were mostly written before Nigeria independence, some before Nigeria was even formed? The word Ile Ibinu (Land of Anger) later corrupted to Benin is a Yoruba word and was coined by Odede. Likewise, the word Ewomika (my hand has reached it) later corrupted to Eweka is a Yoruba phrase. The royal house of Benin, Oyo, Ile-Ife, etc, are all related by blood. Even the Ibini Royalties never dispute or deny this (except commoners like you). I noticed that many of you that often meddle in Benin/Ife issue are not even from Benin. Being from Edo state doesn't mean you're a Benin.

In ancient times, there are tribes, clans and kins all over Africa some of which are related by blood, marriage or via common ancestral relatedness and cultural similarities. It was the creation of countries and states that divided us as a people. For instance, the Okuns, Ijebus, Ijesha, Aworis, Ibadans, Sarkis, Itsekiris, etc, are all kins. The first people to be called the Yorubas are the Oyos (Katunga). Although in recent times, the word Yoruba is used to refer to people with ancestral link to Ile Ife. The Oyos have a great empire that extended from the bank of River Niger to Ibadan and westward into Dahomey and parts of Togo, just as the Ibini empire extend eastward to parts of Niger Delta. Mind you, the Oyos are great people with an organized system of government just as the Ibinis. So, why would they need the Benin to be called great people? Meanwhile, these two great empires (Oyo and Benin) were founded by the same person Odede (also known as Emperor Oranmiyan) the son of Odu'a, the great king of Ile Ife. Invariably, the royalties of Oyo, Ile-Ife, Ibini, Eko, Ijesha, etc, are kins.

In modern era, the Yorubas are known to be educated, intelligent, exposed and are pace-setters, so why would they need anyone to validate them? Politically, the Yorubas need more of its population, education and expose to be relevant not an attachment with Benin. No matter how much you try, you can't change history. To break your heart, I would like to inform you that the Benins just like the Oyos were great in the past not anymore. I get am before no be property.

I see you're new to culture thread that's why you're still asking for evidence a little troll to my profile and you will see all my evidence i dropped on my threads

The funny thing is there is no evidence that benin-ife relationship existed before the Collapse of the benin empire

If there is bring it out

And i never said the white people attached Yoruba history to that of the benins for political benefit

I said the benins attached their history to the Yorubas after amalgamation for political benefit which altered the benin history till date

Theplotter:


If you say some yoruba are used as sacrifice in Benin, that is another fact of history that i can not deny.

Yoruba has a race, is too large to be assumed under the more militaristic Yoruba societies such as Oyo, Ibadan and Abeokuta and thus do not enjoy maximum military protection, and so they became a target of slave traders, and the mass of this slave traders were Yoruba themselves.

Benin is very small and so more easy to control especially by a king who has absolute power over the people ( that is because of his Yoruba blood), couple with the fact that Benin contacted the Europeans early and so they had assess to guns and gunpowder, Benin transformed from a kingdom filled with cowards who built large moats to protect themselves against invaders and started expansion against their neighbors using the power of gunpowder.

But Benin glory was short because they only got the guns not the guts, the Ibadan travelled a long mile and recover Akure and some other eastern Yoruba tribes under Benin.

Ogendegbe decided to teach the Oba a lesson and marched on Benin, it was the Benin Chiefs in their large feminine skirts that came to beg him( that is to tell you that because you kill a snake doesn't mean you can kill all snakes)

Concerning the whole of Lagos being under Benin, in your wildest dream.
Omo you dey dream big time.

I don't have time to write epistles on that chapter,Tao12 had done that several time but since you are dumb you still don't get it.

Now concerning my identity as Yoruba which had become your own problem,let it be your problem.

You are a child, a naive child,pained by the outcome of history which is difficult to accept, sorry, because at the end of the day Yoruba benin is just a weak minor tribe that has to keep quiet when great kings are talking.

Take the itsekiri kingship as example,there is a written law that states that only a son born of itsekiri or Benin blood that can become king, but a son born of a Yoruba woman cannot, aaahaa!! I laugh.
When the Ooni and some other Yoruba kings intervened in the matter, kiakia the Yoruba boy became king, that is power, that is influence.

The Oba can't do anything, he knew his seniors had put their hands into the issue so he could not interven.

Today Lagos had become a prominent Yoruba city known far and wide, call it a no man's land, your opinion.
Even some parts of the acclaimed Benin are been bought by powerful yoruba men, there is nothing you can do about it.

We are smart, we are strong, we are cunning, we are precise, we are strategic.
No wonder the Edo people asked for a son of our father to rule them. There is nothing you can do about it.

Benin can never start whahala with Yoruba, because they are not fit, the day they do, they will lose all they the influence, the glory and their ties even with other minor tribes, Yoruba people will make sure of that.

No be by mouth, we are great.
In culture,in language, in tradition, in music in all you can ever think of.

If you speak trash again, i would still come and give you your medicine, good morning.

l love this piece.

gregyboy:


I see you're new to culture thread that's why you're still asking for evidence a little troll to my profile and you will see all my evidence i dropped on my threads

The funny thing is there is no evidence that benin-ife relationship existed before the Collapse of the benin empire

If there is bring it out

And i never said the white people attached Yoruba history to that of the benins for political benefit

I said the benins attached their history to the Yorubas after amalgamation for political benefit which altered the benin history till date

But i thought that it was the Yorubas that attached their history to benin, but now you are saying it is Benin.

Guy, what your point gangan?

Theplotter:


But i thought that it was the Yorubas that attached their history to benin, but now you are saying it is Benin.

Guy, what your point gangan?

Follow my thread on my profile


The Yorubas started the attachment to benin history in 1820 benin sort to attach to the Yoruba history in 1920 for political reasons . But choose not to anymore but the Yorubas are still hell bent to attach themselves and leach on our history

saddler:


Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?

You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.

What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?

And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?

Answer the question, who is IDU's father?

What are you talking about?? There's no new history. TAO has given you references of the original history from yoruba people themselves even before johnson wrote his book. The reason the mecca theory is popular is because it was incorporated into secondary school textbooks. The spiritual one is also popular because some yoruba people are ifa people and are more convened with spiritual matters than history. This is a very poor defence and a complete fallacy. You wre trying to find a roundabout to the truth.

What are you talking about?? There's no new history. TAO has given you references of the original history from yoruba people themselves even before johnson wrote his book. The reason the mecca theory is popular is because it was incorporated into secondary school textbooks. The spiritual one is also popular because some yoruba people are ifa people and are more convened with spiritual matters than history. This is a very poor defence and a complete fallacy. You wre trying to find a roundabout to the truth.

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saddler:


Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?

You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.

What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?

And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?

What are you talking about?? There's no new history. TAO has given you references of the original history from yoruba people themselves even before johnson wrote his book. The reason the mecca theory is popular is because it was incorporated into secondary school textbooks. The spiritual one is also popular because some yoruba people are ifa people and are more convened with spiritual matters than history. This is a very poor defence and a complete fallacy. You wre trying to find a roundabout to the truth.

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Christistruth00:



I had this argument with Tao12 who believes that Oduduwa was born in the Ile Ife Area and she quoted Prof Akintoyes book which supported that idea but later on I read an article of Prof Biobaku which suggested that Oduduwa came from Arabia Area
But recently I have read that Nupe and Yoruba were of the same Origin and ancestry and actually Yorubas were Nupe who crossed river Niger to the South , well there is a Section of Nupe who are originally from Borno Kanuri’s Kukawa and the Kanuri Claim some of their ancestors migrated from Yemen as pagans
But where Tao12 May be right is that some researchers believe it was Nupe People from the Niger Area that migrated to Borno in the first Place and not the other way round , DNA evidence appears to support this idea
This means that because many Kanuri were originally from Nupe there was a lot of back and forth traffic between both Kingdoms it is Possible Oduduwa was originally Nupe of the Niger Area but moved back and forth between the Kanuri and Nupe Kingdoms after all he was an experienced Horseman

Oranmiyan crossed river Niger on his way to his Grandfathers Kingdom before Lajomo the Nupe King discouraged him and gave him his Daughter as wife who bore him Alaafin Sango the name Sango is also indigenous to Birom Plateau State People who also Claim a Kanuri Origin they too are unlettered

Yorubas have no writing originally and if Oduduwa was truly from Arabia and a Prince that would be almost impossible

https://disa.ukzn.ac.za/sites/default/files/pdf_files/asjan58.14.pdf

https://nationalsportslink.com.ng/amp/mamman-duguri-and-the-nupe-borno-connnection-by-ndagi-abdullahi/

This makes sense a lot, and I've thought about this theory a lot but i still feel this are vestiges of the Arabian/egyptian myth still affecting our thought process. Ifa corpus was specific on oke ora which can be found through archaeology close to ife, that's why historians can look at this and. It could be that oduduwas migrant group into the main bowl of ife had prior trade with the nupes or borgus who had influence from the mali islamic empire.

I have to wonder why the oke ora origin is so hard to believe shows the number the Arabian/mecca myth has done to us. East of ife can be many things and ifa says oke ora is where he came from as he was the osin ora which archaeology has proven that oke ora is indeed east of ife.

Cc Tao12

gregyboy:




First of all oromiyan never existed take that shit out of your brain

Yes same way obas of benin didn't exist they were a creation of the Portuguese � since you want to be mad. Why are you so frustrated and depressed and forcing people to accept your new view because you realize the foundation of your monarchy is from yoruba land. Deal with it man! At least i commend you for abandoning the idea than like majority of your brothers turning oduduwa to some ekaladerhan �

gregyboy:



Ogodomigo was a frictional name coined by egharevba, Benin was known as edo and was known to the European as benin

The word Benin was coined from the itsekiris
Who warned the Portuguese with Yoruba to stay clear off edo lands and called it ile binu which means land of anger

Mumu even the edo is yoruba origin. Called ado corrupted to edo in bini. Remember the palace spoke yoruba language. Ewuare is a yoruba name and his previous name was ogun. He named bini Ado

Theplotter:


There is nothing like someone forcing history on you, history is a record of past events which sometimes favor and glorify some group of people while it degrade some other group of people, that is history.

Yoruba people in all their glory were defeated by fulani due to their disunity, it had happen, it had become history and they are not denying it.

Some yoruba towns such as Akure and some part of Lagos was under Benin control, no argument, because it was so and apparently so.
Those are the times history did not favor Yoruba people, but Yoruba people never deny all this fact.

But when it comes to Edo people, especially dreamy gregyboy, their pride would not allow them to accept the obvious words of history.

Your kings answer as Oba, you denied that Oba is not indigenous to Yoruba but to Edo, but history says your indigenous kings are called Ogisos.

You said Oduduwa is a Benin man, but that was a recent theory propose by patriotic Benin revisionist.

Oranmiyan named Benin but you deny this also and claim that it was itsekiri people that named Benin...etc

Now, here is the truth, either you accept history or not we the Yorubas are the source of your royalty, either you agree or not, your own opinion doesn't matter to me because it doesn't change anything,if you like ram your head hard against history book, ntoooor, it will not change anything, we be your baba, your father.

In fact all this comments and response Yorubas on this thread are given you is because they just want to chat to kill their time, they know that you are just one pained Edo boy intimidated by the dominating nature of the Yoruba culture.

In the real life, you can not be spitting all these trash, even if you say some of this things in the hearing of your father he would have dash you atleast three slaps in quick succession.

You think Yoruba is your mate.
If you want someone to play with, go and meet, some other minor tribes like yours to banter with.

You kid, infact, intellectually you are not mate with The descendants of Oduduwa, i am always amazed at how Tao12, a wonderful product of the Yoruba race whipps you mad in all trends you stick your ugly head, your IQ cannot be compared with our IQ.

Do you even know how hard it is for me to be answering your stupid trends and comments.

Becareful, in case you come across Yoruba kings in real life, do not disrespect them the way you do on nairaland, because if you do, heaven bear me witness that you won't go unscathed.

So pin your mouth and think before you talk, when you see trends about Yoruba just. Ignore it and if you can't go through it and comment like a good boy, ok.

Ma gbadun....

My brother it will shock you that even the ogisos are from ife hahaha. Ask Cc Tao12 she will tell you