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I share your sentiments. I'm not an atheist but at the same time, I find it difficult believing the bible for all it is. As an interesting book of old, YES. As the WORDS of our creator, NO.

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I have so much respect for "my" CREATOR that sometimes, I feel i'm disrespecting "him" by labelling him as "GOD". Think about it this way; if I cannot call my dad by his first name or any name but "Dad", "Pa" or "Papa", who the hell I'm I to call him by a name such as "GOD" - a name given by a human like myself.

I believe the name; "Universal Creator" is more appropriate but I understand the popularity of the name "GOD" which has been popularised in the lexicon of Christianity.

I also have a problem with Jesus Christ as the sole son of our Creator -let me humbly call him God. I believe we're all children of God and that God has no specific son. I understand that to say that Jesus Christ is the son of God is strictly referring to the soul and not the body.

Now consider this. If I wasn't born into a Christian family then there's a high probability of me being a member of another religion. As I was born into Christendom, its naturally that my religion is Christianity.  With this in mind, how dare me say that another religion is not of God's ways?

Another thing I believe is in the Abrahamic religions. But of significance, I personally believe that NO ONE knows the truth. Yes, I said it. NO One knows the truth but rather, the truth is what we perceive to be the truth. But upon many years of research, I've come to know the religion which is closest to the truth is Judaism followed by Christianity.

There's a limit to human intelligence as far as religion is concerned.

Kenezi:

Maybe you should read Sefago's posts again.

I only see Sefago saying Steve Hawkings argument is "solid" (except I missed it). Thats quite different from saying he is correct, tho (more like his arguments are very logical and difficult to dispute).
If he was correct, his works would have moved out of the hypothesis stage and become theories and accepted laws of nature.

^^^^^^

No doubt it makes a fascinating book but to say its the word of God, I have a hard time believing it. I WANT to believe but my logical mind refuses.

dem_people:

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I share your sentiments. I'm not an atheist but at the same time, I find it difficult believing the bible for all it is. As an interesting book of old, YES. As the WORDS of our creator, NO.

[size=14pt]@ALL,[/size]

I have so much respect for "my" CREATOR that sometimes, I feel i'm disrespecting "him" by labelling him as "GOD". Think about it this way; if I cannot call my dad by his first name or any name but "Dad", "Pa" or "Papa", who the hell I'm I to call him by a name such as "GOD" - a name given by a human like myself.

I believe the name; "Universal Creator" is more appropriate but I understand the popularity of the name "GOD" which has been popularised in the lexicon of Christianity.

I also have a problem with Jesus Christ as the sole son of our Creator -let me humbly call him God. I believe we're all children of God and that God has no specific son. I understand that to say that Jesus Christ is the son of God is strictly referring to the soul and not the body.

Now consider this. If I wasn't born into a Christian family then there's a high probability of me being a member of another religion. As I was born into Christendom, its naturally that my religion is Christianity.  With this in mind, how dare me say that another religion is not of God's ways?

Another thing I believe is in the Abrahamic religions. But of significance, I personally believe that NO ONE knows the truth. Yes, I said it. NO One knows the truth but rather, the truth is what we perceive to be the truth. But upon many years of research, I've come to know the religion which is closest to the truth is Judaism followed by Christianity.

There's a limit to human intelligence as far as religion is concerned.

Lol @ the bolded! I agree!
I believe that religion is our attempt to humanise our environment, including God. So we say God is a "he," we imagine God has human form, we project our concepts of right and wrong on God (only to turn and ask why there are disasters or why innocent kids are allowed to die).

A "human" God is at the crux of all religious problem. It is only for a "human" God that a man will kill another, and in the extreme, invade another country at the cost of thousands of lives (Iraq). It is only a "human" God that we can imagine as angry or having the same emotions as we do.

I wholly agree that we belittle God, that is something that really troubled my mind at the time I read the bible.

Read it cover to cover once as a kid.

I probably should read it more again.

I love the Old Testament. Very fascinating material. New Testament, I don't really enjoy reading as much.

That guy wasn't born like that for sure.
Whether we are pre or post destine. Can he talk with his 'massive IQ' or can laugh laugh. . .so in my own dictionary he is far far far lower than my dog. He is just like electronic teddy bear.

what i find more intresting above all is I HAVE A CHIOCE of either doing good or evil and i know they are very important to whatever decision i decided to make.

Do you need anyone to tell you that the person sitting next to you is handsome? Your MIND decides at free will. . .Do i need anyone to tell me God exist?

I don't argue religion cos i have tried in the past without any positive yeild.

I'd rather believe there is God to find out later that i was wrong THAN to face with stalk reality of his existance after Death when i won't be able to have second chance.

Beaf:

^
What is your proof that he is cursed? The man has Worldwide respect, money and a massively high IQ. Wouldn't you count those things as blessings?
By the way, he's been like that from childhood. Who curses children? Surely not your God?

Lastly, there NOTHING like your or my God.

Yeah. A very intriguing book, and funny too.

Rhino.5dm:

^ My defence is clear. Just look at that man and tell me he is not cursed.

The God he chooses to revere is dealing with him and NObody can help him out of that sorry situation.

What do you have? Theory of evolution, theory of non existance of heaven, theory of this and theory of that. . .they are all THEORY without proof. . .

SHOW me any proof of evolution taking in mind the 'gap theory' and i will be godless like you.


I have faith in God no proof. .
You faith in evolution NO PROOF, so we all sitting on the different side of thesame coin.

He is no different from several disabled people who believe in God. Is God dealing with them too?

Proof for evolution? You are stoopid ooh. There is enough proof for evolution, go and read on it, and stop arguing without any proper examination of existing facts.

Hawking's Atheism is not even premised upon evolution but his belief that due to the randomness of our existence there cannot be a God as we define it (One that is Benevolent and Infallible). The fact that we are here is not due to being "created" by a supernatural being but is purely by chance in the universe. Our higher-level rationality and consciousness is not sufficient evidence of a supernatural being, since it is obvious that awareness and rationality is greatly hierarchical. Our rationality while being the most unique aspect of we humans is also our greatest weakness. It keeps reminding us that we are going to die one day just like the animals that we are and so we create myths due to the belief that we are special, we are conscious and so our consciousness cannot just shutdown, it must go somewhere. The primal instinct of a fear of death that was remnant of our evolutionary ancestors need for survival, but we are plagued with gift of awareness [My view].

Hawking tries to explain by creating an analogy between the human consciousness and a computer. Computer's might just be a suite of programs and algorithms but its ability to function is arguably a level of consciousness albeit a very low one relative to human's. So when they shut down, where does their consciousness go to?

Dont mention that computers are man-made and so human's too must be created. He is point out what happens to our unique consciousness when it ends. That is not the point of the analogy. It would further weaken your stance by highlighting the question: Who created the creator, and who created the creator that created the creator? And who created the creator that created the creator that created the creator? And who . . .   

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Rhino.5dm:

That guy wasn't born like that for sure.
Whether we are pre or post destine. Can he talk with his 'massive IQ' or can laugh laugh. . .so in my own dictionary he is far far far lower than my dog. He is just like electronic teddy bear.

what i find more intresting above all is I HAVE A CHIOCE of either doing good or evil and i know they are very important to whatever decision i decided to make.

Do you need anyone to tell you that the person sitting next to you is handsome? Your MIND decides at free will. . .Do i need anyone to tell me God exist?

I don't argue religion cos i have tried in the past without any positive yeild.

I'd rather believe there is God to find out later that i was wrong THAN to face with stalk reality of his existance after Death when i won't be able to have second chance.

Lastly, there NOTHING like your or my God.

From the composure of your posts, I believe you've received proper and higher education which amongst other benefits, allows benefactors to think, articulate and critically examine issues. Within this context, supernatural matters - whether religious or otherwise, doesn't necessarily have to interfere in the articulatory processes of cerebral abilities and operations. BTW I agree with the bolded statement and have held this view for long.

The man who you insinuated that he's cursed, is simply suffering from a degenerative and wasting disease which can affect just about anyone at any particular time in life. Though its attributed to genetics in 90-95% of cases, there's no known cause for the exceptions.

There're atheists who've lived to centenary ages. Also,  there're "believers" who have reoccurring illnesses right from birth or childhood and die with such diseases. You might ask why our Creator never "cured" the believers of their illnesses but indeed, that's a question for another day.

You should by now, have formulated your own answer to that. I did long time ago.

This is the Beaf that I LIKE, not the one that is far up GEJ's ibadi (behind), I always tell friends that I have issues with Nigerian religious leaders, Nigerian Christians and the Bible, apart from that, I love Christianity. I believe Stephen Hawkings believes that there is a god, it is the evolutionary scientist (Dawkings or something) that is an atheist.

Nice twist! So in your conclusion there is no GOD?

That said. What proof are you talking about. . .why hasn't we notice any monkey changing to HUMAN?!  Oh! particular specie decided/agreed to stop evolving abi? lol or have you being able to PRACTICALLY replicate evolution?

I happen to read tons of write ups trying explain evolution but, nah! The more i read the more comical everything turns.

There was no model in the first instance so how can you have proof? In all honesty i don't need your long  explaination, all i need from you is to point me a law of TRANSFORMATION viz a viz evolution, backed by mathematical expression with all parameters including constants and variables. Eg.
E=mc^2

SEFAGO:

He is no different from several disabled people who believe in God. Is God dealing with them too?


Proof for evolution? You are stoopid ooh. There is enough proof for evolution, go and read on it, and stop arguing without any proper examination of existing facts.

Hawking's Atheism is not premised upon evolution but his belief that due to the randomness of our existence there cannot be a God as we define it (One that is Benevolent and Infallible). The fact that we are here is not due to being "created" by a supernatural being but is purely by chance in the universe. Our higher-level rationality and consciousness is not sufficient evidence of a supernatural being, since it is obvious that awareness and rationality is greatly hierarchical. Our rationality while being the most unique aspect of we humans is also our greatest weakness. It keeps reminding us that we are going to die one day just like the animals that we are and so we create myths due to the belief that we are special, we are conscious and so our consciousness cannot just shutdown, it must go somewhere. The primal instinct of a fear of death that was remnant of our evolutionary ancestors need for survival, but we are plagued with gift of awareness [My view].

Hawking tries to explain by creating an analogy between the human consciousness and a computer. Computer's might just be a suite of programs and algorithms but its ability to function is arguably a level of consciousness albeit a very low one relative to human's. So when they shut down, where does their consciousness go to?

Dont mention that computers are man-made and so human's too must be created. He is point out what happens to our unique consciousness when it ends. That is not the point of the analogy. It would further weaken your stance by highlighting the question: Who created the creator, and who created the creator that created the creator? And who created the creator that created the creator that created the creator? And who . . .   

@ bold
please try and remain within context of discussion. Or can you point out where i made a general statement that ALL people with one form of DISABILITY are being cursed by GOD. My statement was a particular one.

While you are it can you cap it up by explaining "Gap theory".

P.S. Am mobile ignore the typo.

I have read the bible and reading it completely and for myself is one of the reason I left Christianity. . . .The bible like every other book is man made, nothing special about it at all. . . .There is nothing written in it that is different from any other religious book written by bronze aged men. . . .My understanding now is that the book is just a document of the past which clearly shows the progression of human moral development. People pick and choose and interpret the bible according to our present day lenses.

Since there is actually any God that has anything to do with the people, people just self project themselves as God and interpret the bible based on their own conception and opinion of what God is to them. That is the reason we have over 33, 000 sect of Christianity all claiming monopoly of knowledge and understanding of the bible. . . . If it were not for our innate decency, we would still be living as at the time of Moses(assuming the stories written about him were true) where people will be stone to death for picking sticks on a sabbath or when it was right for parents to stone to death their disobedient kids.

The bible as a book was not written by a single person, it was written by many different people who have different ideas and conception of who God was to them, hence the endless contradictions in the basic nature of who God is supposed to be in the bible, to some of the authors God is love, to others God is this spiteful and monovalent entity that hates their enemies and hates what ever they hate, to some he is this powerful being that can do all things, to some of the authors he is not capable of doing all things and has short comings. . . . .To some of them he is this father figure to other he is like a teenage rebel. . . .They all sat down wrote their stories and imaginations and left it for others to put it together and sell as the word of God mainly for control and nothing else. . . . .

The bible was we know it was put together through votes, people sat down and chose the books and the theology it is based upon (Calvinism etc). . . .Its all man made. . . . .All Gods and religion were created out of the fear of the many and the cleverness of a few nothing more. . . . .

Just to add. . .Most Christians have not read the bible for themselves, my encounter with many of them has proved that to me. . .They only read the chapters their pastors teach them in church which by the way is ONLY the pastors opinion and the pastor telling them what he thinks and believes nothing more. . . . .Most of them don't know for example that the Old testament is FAR more violent and carries more injunction of killing in the name of Yahweh than the Koran a book which they label as a violent book, in the OT you find Yahweh telling the Jews to kill unbelievers and sacrifice them unto him as burnt offering etc things many Christians do not even know exist in the bibe. . . .The OT is much more violent and barbaric than the Koran, if you think am lying read up both books for yourselves. . . . .

You got me! I wasn't general about the cause of his illness. For sure i was being sacarstic. lol

For sure i know the cause of his illness which has a scientific explanation

I like dropping that issue when ever am debating with godless people as a form of challenge to prove our inability to help ourselves in term of real distress.

All praise be to God. The creator and originator of the universe.

dem_people:

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From the composure of your posts, I believe you've received proper and higher education which amongst other benefits, allows benefactors to think, articulate and critically examine issues. Within this context, supernatural matters - whether religious or otherwise, doesn't necessarily have to interfere in the articulatory processes of cerebral abilities and operations. BTW I agree with the bolded statement and have held this view for long.

The man who you insinuated that he's cursed, is simply suffering from a degenerative and wasting disease which can affect just about anyone at any particular time in life. Though its attributed to genetics in 90-95% of cases, there's no known cause for the exceptions.

There're atheists who've lived to centenary ages. Also,  there're "believers" who have reoccurring illnesses right from birth or childhood and die with such diseases. You might ask why our Creator never "cured" the believers of their illnesses but indeed, that's a question for another day.

You should by now, have formulated your own answer to that. I did long time ago. 

Mazzzzaaaaaaaaaaje! Haba maigida na ka guje ni? Mai duniya.
Dun ka na holewa kuma sai ka share ni?

Alarji na yi ta nemanka cikin kwanakin can when i was in paris. To yaya?

mazaje:

Just to add. . .Most Christians have not read the bible for themselves, my encounter with many of them has proved that to me. . .They only read the chapters their pastors teach them in church which by the way is ONLY the pastors opinion and the pastor telling them what he thinks and believes nothing more. . . . .Most of them don't know for example that the Old testament is FAR more violent and carries more injunction of killing in the name of Yahweh than the Koran a book which they label as a violent book, in the OT you find Yahweh telling the Jews to kill unbelievers and sacrifice them unto him as burnt offering etc things many Christians do not even know exist in the bibe. . . .The OT is much more violent and barbaric than the Koran, if you think am lying read up both books for yourselves. . . . .

Nice twist! So in your conclusion there is no GOD?

That said. What proof are you talking about. . .why hasn't we notice any monkey changing to HUMAN?!  Oh! particular specie decided/agreed to stop evolving abi? lol Grin Grin Grin or have you being able to PRACTICALLY replicate evolution?

I happen to read tons of write ups trying explain evolution but, nah! The more i read the more comical everything turns.

There was no model in the first instance so how can you have proof? In all honesty i don't need your long  explaination, all i need from you is to point me a law of TRANSFORMATION viz a viz evolution, backed by mathematical expression with all parameters including constants and variables. Eg.
E=mc^2

I cannot even understand your point or the basis of your argument. It would be fair to say you have no argument.

You are honestly reetarded. How long have we existed to be able to see "monkeys change to humans'" , that's not the basis of evolution, evolution is a species continuum theory, and not one in which species are formed discretely. Our direct ancestors are not  even monkeys you dimwit. Evolution first has to occur at the microscopic level through changes in our genes which are propagated and observed at the macroscopic level (Physical features). This takes years you dumb arse. You just don't even understand evolution. If such complex organisms were allowed to evolve as quickly as bacteria that would have broad biomedical effects. Random evolution and deleterious mutations is what gave you the opportunity to be making jibes at a man infinitely more intelligent than you are.

Of course you would not understand well written and reasoned evidence for evolution. You are daft duh. Stop tasking your brain. Just accept the path to least resistance that everything was created.

What the F do you mean by model. How the hell can you mathematically model a biologically expansive and not yet understood phenomena as evolution. Man your attempts to sound intelligent seem pathetic. The typical Nigerian arrogance, and this is someone questioning a Cambridge Physicist who has been tested by his peers and acknowledged to be brilliant.

That's why i said when Hawkings talks people listen, because he understand what he is saying. The only reason you are being listened to is because you can post, all things being equally most intelligent people will just ignore you.

@ bold
please try and remain within context of discussion. Or can you point out where i made a general statement that ALL people with one form of DISABILITY are being cursed by GOD. My statement was a particular one.

While you are it can you cap it up by explaining "Gap theory".

P.S. Am mobile ignore the typo. 

You are bone cold not-so-smart. You were the first person to randomly attack his disability instead of addressing his points and claiming he was cursed. You are fu-cking stoopid. The problem with stoopid people is that they are not just stooopid. But dont know they are stoooopid. You are now asking me to stay within the context of discussion when you stoopidly brought up his disability as evidence there is a God.

Gap theory is a "fit" to undeniable results mechanism created by deluded people like you to continue the perpetual mythology that there whole life depends. It has no basis. Why did this gap theory just emerge when well backed evidence came up?

Rhino.5dm:

You got me! I wasn't general about the cause of his illness. For sure i was being sacarstic. lol

For sure i know the cause of his illness which has a scientific explanation

I like dropping that issue when ever am debating with godless people as a form of challenge to prove our inability to help ourselves in term of real distress.

All praise be to God. The creator and originator of the universe.

You were the one who brought up the theory of Evolution assuming that is the basis for Hawking's atheism because that is the only thing you know about. That is why you keep bring up this gap theory which claims Genesis conveniently forgot to mention the Ice age and the existence of Dinosaurs because it was not worth mentioning anyways  . Gap theory does not disprove evolution and is not accepted by any right thinking individual. Evolution theory for now stays.

Look at them stooopid people 

Wow! so much vile from a pathetic godless advance silverback monkey! I guess i have insulted your monkey god. lol

what have you said? . . .balderdash pure bumkum. All i did was to ask you for a single PROOF and you came up with all this bull crap.
You asserted and the burden of proof lies on your ewu head!

Yeah. . .dawkins in respected blah blah and when he talks people listen blah blah . . . .dude, did your nanny replaced your feeding bottle content with mud water?

Am i the only one seeing how fooolish this idi*ot is sounding? Inferiority complex sumilaqua!

You can't even face my boxers in real and you are here typing cow dung.

I work in a multinational and i have mercilessly dealt with MIT grad you mooroon!

Your case is a sorry type one cut up in the middle of oshodi market.

Now listen and listen very well YOU this generic FOOOL!

Give me a single proof and stop that your micro organism trash you this hybrid GOAT with a single digit IQ!!!!!

SEFAGO:

I cannot even understand your point or the basis of your argument. It would be fair to say you have no argument.

You are honestly reetarded. How long have we existed to be able to see "monkeys change to humans'" , that's not the basis of evolution, evolution is a species continuum theory, and not one in which species are formed discretely. Our direct ancestors are not  even monkeys you dimwit. Evolution first has to occur at the microscopic level through changes in our genes which are propagated and observed at the macroscopic level (Physical features). This takes years you dumb arse. You just don't even understand evolution. If such complex organisms were allowed to evolve as quickly as bacteria that would have broad biomedical effects. Random evolution and deleterious mutations is what gave you the opportunity to be making jibes at a man infinitely more intelligent than you are.

Of course you would not understand well written and reasoned evidence for evolution. You are daft duh. Stop tasking your brain. Just accept the path to least resistance that everything was created.

What the F do you mean by model. How the hell can you mathematically model a biologically expansive and not yet understood phenomena as evolution. Man your attempts to sound intelligent seem pathetic. The typical Nigerian arrogance, and this is someone questioning a Cambridge Physicist who has been tested by his peers and acknowledged to be brilliant.

That's why i said when Hawkings talks people listen, because he understand what he is saying. The only reason you are being listened to is because you can post, all things being equally most intelligent people will just ignore you.



You are bone cold not-so-smart. You were the first person to randomly attack his disability instead of addressing his points and claiming he was cursed. You are fu-cking stoopid. The problem with stoopid people is that they are not just stooopid. But dont know they are stoooopid. You are now asking me to stay within the context of discussion when you stoopidly brought up his disability as evidence there is a God.

Gap theory is a "fit" to undeniable results mechanism created by deluded people like you to continue the perpetual mythology that there whole life depends. It has no basis. Why did this gap theory just emerge when well backed evidence came up?


You were the one who brought up the theory of Evolution assuming that is the basis for Hawking's atheism because that is the only thing you know about. That is why you keep bring up this gap theory which claims Genesis conveniently forgot to mention the Ice age and the existence of Dinosaurs because it was not worth mentioning anyways  . Gap theory does not disprove evolution and is not accepted by any right thinking individual. Evolution theory for now stays.

Look at them stooopid people 

Rhino.5dm:

Wow!   so much vile from a pathetic godless advance silverback monkey! I guess i have insulted your monkey god. lol

what have you said? . . .balderdash pure bumkum. All i did was to ask you for a single PROOF and you came up with all this bull crap.
You asserted and the burden of proof lies on your ewu head!

Yeah. . .dawkins in respected blah blah and when he talks people listen blah blah . . . .dude, did your nanny replaced your feeding bottle content with mud water?

Am i the only one seeing how fooolish this idi*ot is sounding? Inferiority complex sumilaqua!

You can't even face my boxers in real and you are here typing cow dung.

I work in a multinational and i have mercilessly dealt with MIT grad you mooroon!

Your case is a sorry type one cut up in the middle of oshodi market. 

Now listen and listen very well YOU this generic FOOOL!

Give me a single proof and stop that your micro organism trash you this hybrid GOAT with a single digit IQ!!!!!

Go and do your reading before you come to class. 

Can't write properly, can't articulate his point. Talking about E=mc2 as if most relationships can be described so simply.

What you are asking for I cannot give. You are asking for day to day observation that evolution exist. I cant make you smarter. That is not possible. There is a reasoned argument for evolution. You can see evolution if you work in microorganisms where mutation and natural selection are more rapid due to a lower DNA complexity. You can infer evolution but that does no necessary mean it has to be observed in our day to day life.

I dont even know why you are pushing the evolution question. Its a scientific question, which is rigorously under attack yes, but one you would not be capable of understanding by vitrue of your significant lack of expertise in this area. The alternative, creationism is hilarious and quite limiting at best and is formed under an unproved premise that a supernatural being exists. Suffice to say that currently most scientist accept this theory, and that your uninformed opinion does not matter. The question is about the bible and why it does not add up.  Its not as if I asked you why the Bible failed to mention African people or Chinese people and just focused on people the writers had experience with. I dont need to ask, I know why  . You have not bothered to ask some hard questions about the bible.

For the record: The question is not that you are stooopid (That's well established) but if you know you are stoopid. No matter how well contrived my points are you will fail to understand them because they are way over your head.

leave stephen hawkings and his disabilities out of this.it's been shown time without number that hawkings got many things wrong e.g. he claimed the egg came first.turned out its the chicken that came first as what is needed to form an egg was found in the chicken.thus, the egg couldn't have come first

I said am on MOBILE hand held device. Which means am finding it difficult to edit considering how stressful it is to do that from 3 inch LCD screen. Do you require 40 stroke of horse whip to assimulate single point?
We are talking about GOD and you suddenly jump into Africans and chinese not mention in the bible. What's eating you up?

Now back to topic. You need to go for medical examination if you are not born with this stuupidity. No more replies from ME. Gosh sei pazzo?!!

SEFAGO:

Go and do your reading before you come to class. 

Can't write properly, can't articulate his point. Talking about E=mc2 as if most relationships can be described so simply.

What you are asking for I cannot give. You are asking for day to day observation that evolution exist. I cant make you smarter. That is not possible. There is a reasoned argument for evolution. You can see evolution if you work in microorganisms where mutation and natural selection are more rapid due to a lower DNA complexity. You can infer evolution but that does no necessary mean it has to be observed in our day to day life.

I dont even know why you are pushing the evolution question. Its a scientific question, which is rigorously under attack yes, but one you would not be capable of understanding by vitrue of your significant lack of expertise in this area. The alternative, creationism is quite limiting at best and is formed under an unproved premise that a supernatural being exists. Suffice to say that currently most scientist accept this theory, and that your uninformed opinion does not matter. The question is about the bible and why it does not add up.  Its not as if I asked you why the Bible failed to mention African people or Chinese people and just focused on people the writers had experience with. I dont need to ask, I know why 

For the record: The question is not that you are stooopid (That's well established) but if you know you are stoopid. No matter how well contrived my points are you will fail to understand them because they are way over your head.

Sheesh religion section.

I graciously excuse myself from this debate.

Thanks

leave stephen hawkings and his disabilities out of this.it's been shown time without number that hawkings got many things wrong e.g. he claimed the egg came first.turned out its the chicken that came first as what is needed to form an egg was found in the chicken.thus, the egg couldn't have come first

Its your prerogative to be stoopid  

You guys have fun

Rhino.5dm:

Mazzzzaaaaaaaaaaje! Haba maigida na ka guje ni? Mai duniya.
Dun ka na holewa kuma sai ka share ni?

Alarji na yi ta nemanka cikin kwanakin can when i was in paris. To yaya?

s. . .

Mai gida naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. . . .Tuba na ke yi gaskiya!!. . . . . .Da fatan ka na na lafiya. . . . . .Nice to see you around. . . .Cheers. . . .

SEFAGO:

Sheesh religion section.

I graciously excuse myself from this debate.

Thanks


Its your prerogative to be stoopid  

You guys have fun

Was going to type a well worded composition till I noticed this thread is now in the religion section. Sheeesh too. Some of the things that go on here make my skin crawl.

No Comment as far as am concern Bible is a sacred book, and should be treated as such

I've never really understood the point of debates like this. Quite difficult to conclusively prove many of these controversies one way or another.

And more importantly, for 99% of people, the answer doesn't matter. If you are an atheist/agnostic, isn't by force to convince anyone else of the rightness of your beliefs. Largely speaking, doesn't really affect your life one jot whether you are an atheist or not, or if those around you are religious (aside from public political office, where you'll have to hide your beliefs a bit ).

Similarly, if a creationist Christian, unless you are a biologist or some sort of scientist, your lack of belief in evolution and Christian religious beliefs generally won't hurt your life in any way.

Too much focus on things that ultimately don't really matter, imo. . . this stuff is largely a personal affair rather than a public one.

I cannot say I've read the Bible from cover to cover all at once, but I can say I've read every verse in it over the past 21years. And it has changed my life. I never try to understand the Bible, I believe it. I do not wish to understand God,
I want to believe him. To believe him is sufficient unto me. To believe God is to believe his word. When he told me if I repent of my past misdeeds, he would forgive me, I believed, repented and was forgiven. I found peace for my soul.

Yes I have read the bible from cover to cover and found it a very great experience. was and still remains very influential in my walk with God.

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Nope. Wud love to tho. I pray God gives me da push to read his word daily

God forgive me for this reply,don't let others to be comfuse, for what they have rad, always send your Holy SPirit upon them to no the truth
deaf the wiseand dum the foolish,and heal the ignorant,bring back the prodigals sons of man and teach them a good path,any contradiction should overlook
,and also for those that goes contrary to your will and promises forgive them,,,,,,,,,,,amen

not read it cover 2 cover but iim gettin dere, almost thru wit d gospels, den ill start at genesis

Yes I have and twice