Abujason: The man told you that they find themselves closer to Igbo than Yoruba but you still want to claim them as you claimed the Aworis of Lagos. Okay ooo. Continue.
By the way, some of the Igala words that someone translated into Yoruba earlier sounds and mean the same in Igbo.
The Aworis of Lagos, Ogun and Benin Republic are pure Yorubas and have never denied being so. Go and get yourself educated before coming online NEXT TIME and find out the meaning of "Awo" as a pre-fix in Yoruba language. Awolowo, Awogboro, Awori, Awotunde, and more.
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The Awori is a tribe of the Yoruba people speaking a distinct dialect of the Yoruba language. And they are presently found in both Ogun State and Lagos State, Nigeria.27 Jun 2022
Second, the Igala Yoruboid words you see in Ibo language was introduced into Iboland by the Igalas [and Igala bloodlines exist in Anambra, Enugu, and Delta States] just like the red chieftaincy cap Ibos wear is NOT native to Ibos but was introduced by the Igalas into Nsukka area. It then spread to other parts of the Ibo area. The red cap is indigenous to the Middle-Belt of Nigeria. Even the Yorubas of Kwara and Kogi States wear the red chieftaincy caps.
Igala-associated communities also exist in places such as Nri, Umueri, Aguleri, Asaba, Illah, Nsuka and more.
Absolutely no relationship between Yoruba and EBIRA. Ebira are predominantly farmers who came and settled in some villages in Ondo state where they engaged in farming,
scholes0: @OP look at it this way, the closeness btw the aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is soo old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas & some culture rubbing off each other. There r even igalas in today's SE. So actually, depending on the Igala u ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell u they r closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.
Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.
Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.
1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their open oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.
* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc.... Here are some RULES:
Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu Fañ (blow) - Fa Agañ (barren) - Aga Kañ (sour) - Ka Okañ (one) - Oka Oduñ (year) - Odo Agbañ (chin) - Agba Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa Oyañ (breats) - Eñya Idiñ (maggot) - Ide Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko Tituñ (new) - Tito
Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa Kekere (small) - Kekele Irawo (star) - Ilawo Iri (dew/mist) - eli Olu (lord) - Onu Ro (cultivate) - Lo Olamide (name) - Uramide Iru (seed) - ilu Akere (toad) - Akele Ra (buy) - La Erira (ants) - Elila Ri (see) - Li Ora (fat) - Ula Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L Ese (leg) - Ere Eso (fruit) - Ero Se (block) - Re Sø (throw) - Rø
Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.
Other Minor differencess with irregular rules Bayii (like this) - Abayii Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko Wo/Gho (look) - Go Ijo (dance) - Ido Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya Oru (midnight) - Odu Eru (slave) -Adu Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko
And finally,False friend cognates Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat
Du in Yoruba - To contest an object Du in Igala - To take an object
Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy Oyu in Igala = Fat
Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice Ebo in Igala - Deity
Edø in Yoruba = Liver Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest
Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces Uwewe in igala = Many
ilɛ in Yoruba = Land abode ilɛ in Igala = Earth
There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation, since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time. That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 64% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.
With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.
Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.
You've tried I'm a yorruba man and I live here in Ankpa
Chizzychinny: Even Itsekiri understands Yoruba a bit
Yeah, the parent ethnic group of Itsekiri people is from Yorubaland. Ijebu, Ife, and Ilaje sub-groups from Yorubaland make up the larger component of Itsekiris. Then Prince Ginuwa also arrived with 70 of his subjects from Benin and settled among the itsekiris of Ijebu origin at Ode-Itsekiri in the 1490s.
Itsekiris and Igalas are the ONLY 2 ethnicities that are classified as Yoruboid, meaning the languages have strong similarities and histories with the core Yoruba language.
scholes0: @OP look at it this way, the closeness btw the aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is soo old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas & some culture rubbing off each other. There r even igalas in today's SE. So actually, depending on the Igala u ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell u they r closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.
Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.
Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.
1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their open oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.
* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc.... Here are some RULES:
Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu Fañ (blow) - Fa Agañ (barren) - Aga Kañ (sour) - Ka Okañ (one) - Oka Oduñ (year) - Odo Agbañ (chin) - Agba Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa Oyañ (breats) - Eñya Idiñ (maggot) - Ide Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko Tituñ (new) - Tito
Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa Kekere (small) - Kekele Irawo (star) - Ilawo Iri (dew/mist) - eli Olu (lord) - Onu Ro (cultivate) - Lo Olamide (name) - Uramide Iru (seed) - ilu Akere (toad) - Akele Ra (buy) - La Erira (ants) - Elila Ri (see) - Li Ora (fat) - Ula Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L Ese (leg) - Ere Eso (fruit) - Ero Se (block) - Re Sø (throw) - Rø
Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.
Other Minor differencess with irregular rules Bayii (like this) - Abayii Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko Wo/Gho (look) - Go Ijo (dance) - Ido Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya Oru (midnight) - Odu Iwowo (nudity) - Owowo Eru (slave) -Adu Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko
And finally,False friend cognates Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat
Du in Yoruba - To contest an object Du in Igala - To take an object
Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy Oyu in Igala = Fat
Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice Ebo in Igala - Deity
Edø in Yoruba = Liver Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest
Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces Uwewe in igala = Many
ilɛ in Yoruba = Earth (as in land) ilɛ in Igala = Earth (as in the planet)
There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation, since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time. That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 64% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.
With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.
Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.
You nailed it, sometimes ago around 1994 to 1996,I was posted to Idah for a road projects with my friends from Ibadan and before we left that place, we've mastered the language very well...they always call us omoyaji... My colleagues even got married there. The good old days
You're talking about the relationship between the Yorubas and Igala people without mentioning the people of Kabba and Ogidi in Kogi State?They're too important not to be mentioned no matter how few of words you wish to summarize the history.
scholes0: @OP look at it this way, the closeness btw the aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is soo old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas & some culture rubbing off each other. There r even igalas in today's SE. So actually, depending on the Igala u ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell u they r closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.
Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.
Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.
1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their open oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.
* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc.... Here are some RULES:
Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu Fañ (blow) - Fa Agañ (barren) - Aga Kañ (sour) - Ka Okañ (one) - Oka Oduñ (year) - Odo Agbañ (chin) - Agba Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa Oyañ (breats) - Eñya Idiñ (maggot) - Ide Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko Tituñ (new) - Tito
Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa Kekere (small) - Kekele Irawo (star) - Ilawo Iri (dew/mist) - eli Olu (lord) - Onu Ro (cultivate) - Lo Olamide (name) - Uramide Iru (seed) - ilu Akere (toad) - Akele Ra (buy) - La Erira (ants) - Elila Ri (see) - Li Ora (fat) - Ula Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L Ese (leg) - Ere Eso (fruit) - Ero Se (block) - Re Sø (throw) - Rø
Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.
Other Minor differencess with irregular rules Bayii (like this) - Abayii Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko Wo/Gho (look) - Go Ijo (dance) - Ido Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya Oru (midnight) - Odu Iwowo (nudity) - Owowo Eru (slave) -Adu Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko
And finally,False friend cognates Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat
Du in Yoruba - To contest an object Du in Igala - To take an object
Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy Oyu in Igala = Fat
Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice Ebo in Igala - Deity
Edø in Yoruba = Liver Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest
Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces Uwewe in igala = Many
ilɛ in Yoruba = Earth (as in land) ilɛ in Igala = Earth (as in the planet)
There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation, since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time. That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 64% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.
With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.
Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.
shortIGBOman: Anambra and some part of Enugu are IGALA ancestral lands. Most of the inhabitants of those lands are IGALA. The few Igbo who live there are settlers. Who came from other neighbouring Igbo State to hustle.
scholes0: @OP look at it this way, the closeness btw the aboriginal Igalas (Akpoto) & Yoruba is ancestral. A result of both groups descending from the same ancestors in deep prehistory that is soo old that nobody recorded it. The relationship between Igala & Igbo you friend talks about is as a result of geographical closeness/inter-relationship along border areas & some culture rubbing off each other. There r even igalas in today's SE. So actually, depending on the Igala u ask, there are varying degrees of closeness with neighbors. Some Igalas will tell u they r closest to Agatu/Idoma, some will tell u it is Bassa-Nge/Nupe. These are all location induced relatedness.
Igala looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.
Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.
1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their open oral vowel equivalents. Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.
* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc.... Here are some RULES:
Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu Fañ (blow) - Fa Agañ (barren) - Aga Kañ (sour) - Ka Okañ (one) - Oka Oduñ (year) - Odo Agbañ (chin) - Agba Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa Oyañ (breats) - Eñya Idiñ (maggot) - Ide Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko Tituñ (new) - Tito
Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa Kekere (small) - Kekele Irawo (star) - Ilawo Iri (dew/mist) - eli Olu (lord) - Onu Ro (cultivate) - Lo Olamide (name) - Uramide Iru (seed) - ilu Akere (toad) - Akele Ra (buy) - La Erira (ants) - Elila Ri (see) - Li Ora (fat) - Ula Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe
Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L Ese (leg) - Ere Eso (fruit) - Ero Se (block) - Re Sø (throw) - Rø
Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.
Other Minor differencess with irregular rules Bayii (like this) - Abayii Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø Owo/Ogho (money) - Oko Wo/Gho (look) - Go Ijo (dance) - Ido Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya Oru (midnight) - Odu Iwowo (nudity) - Owowo Eru (slave) -Adu Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe Akuko (coc.k) - Ayiko
And finally,False friend cognates Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat
Du in Yoruba - To contest an object Du in Igala - To take an object
Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy Oyu in Igala = Fat
Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice Ebo in Igala - Deity
Edø in Yoruba = Liver Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest
Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces Uwewe in igala = Many
ilɛ in Yoruba = Earth (as in land) ilɛ in Igala = Earth (as in the planet)
There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation, since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time. That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala shares approximately only about 64% or so word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from the neighbouring Idoma according to some research.
With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.
Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.
Wow! I am Igala, surprised to see we have so many similarities with the Yorubas. Thanks, I learn a lot today.
No be u be historian? U claim to know the history of igbo land. But you don't know your history!! Abi u dey shy to tell me that the fulanis have taken over kwara land. Installed a caliphate there.. Courtesy of the Afonjas who sold out their people ..
Madmazel99: Bro, if you want to know about very old Yoruba words. You will have to hear the eastern part of the Yoruba speak their dialects. You will pick so many words that are very very old. Let me give you an example. 'fø' means 'to say' or 'I say'.
I know you are correct about the older Yoruba dialect being residents in central and Eastern Yoruba enclave. Infact, ifá corpus has numerous classical abundance of yoruba words.
Pick interest in ifa knowledge and you will understand reason I do not subscribe to Igala as archaic Yoruboid language. Such postulation is not true.
Clearly, there is no place in Ifa that I have come across where igala is identified as human being rather a deer kind of animal.
Therefore, it is ideal to understand the history of igala itself before anyone post in this manner. Orànmìyàn invaded Tapa enclave across Niger and founded Eyoe after his return from near Songhai Empire. Tapaland was where he later married Torosi, who birthed Tella Itiolu called Sàngó and his elder brother Dada Ajasa.
Fọ means, say speak, etc as you had mentioned and not new to people except people without deep knowledge of Yoruba history. The modern day dialect was an innovation of Samuel Ajai Crowther and others who wrote the first Yoruba dictionary . So, no hard feeling.
leunseyis: In history, Oduduwa was said to have arrived at Igala Land with his people, before he embark on a long journey to settle down at Ile-Ife in Ondo state
Oduduwa did not go any Igala that is not over 1200 years. The oduduwa that had died before AD.
aribisala0: Has anyone ever told you that you are quarrelsome? Just wondering...........
Lol. Not my kind of thing. Iam just stating the obvious. I detest conjuring and falsehood. This is suppose to be fact and not assumption. Perhaps enlighten us Which Family household does Igala belonged to in Iléifẹ̀ ?
