drlateef:




You are confused and ignorant at same time. I never told you that, so you are confused and you don’t know what tarai’b means. Go and learn arabic.

Let me jog your memory!
You said:

drlateef:

I will just limit myself to answering one question at a time, just as I advised you.

1. You asked if I agree that semen is from back bone.
Answer is YES. The Quran chapter 86:5. Says:

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs."

My knowledge of human embryology perfectly situates the origin of testes which produce sperm to be correctly situated at the junction of L1 vertebra where the germinal ridge arises from the side of notochord in human embryo during the stage of organogenesis. These testes then descend into scrotal sacs around the time of birth. All trained doctors must have heard about undescended testes. This is an abnormality of descent which clearly shows that testes do not originate from scrotal sac but descend into scrotal sac from their origin. That origin has been accurately described anatomically and embryologically by Allah the owner of mankind. This is enough miracle for you because no scientists had prior knowledge of that before the Quran was revealed. And the Quran was revealed to an illiterate of all people. Even knowledgeable people at the time had no such knowledge.

Your next question?

My initial question was

TenQ:

Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

You've been truthful mostly till this moment of your Taqqiya.

Beczause you never responded directly to this Question,
then I asked
Is the Taraib one of the L1-L5 bones?


I am still waiting for your response

TenQ:

Endless rants over nothing!

I usually write to expose the things you Muslims would rather gloss over or pretend it doesn't even exist. To this you think I am your enemy: far from it.

You might want to list the graduation of sin according to Christian theology if speak untruth.

My crime!?
I force you to think about Islamic doctrines.





Remember, it takes only ONE goof to conclude that God never dictated the Qur'an
1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

SIRTee15:


I just don't understand this Muslims.
I'm yet to see any superior argument he brought forward.
He could neither defend the L1 nor notochord theory he's been postulating.
The funny thing is that Muhammad he's trying to defend here gave a honest answer when he was caught lying. He quickly said he doesn't know much about general knowledge and they shouldn't hold his word against him when it comes to worldly affairs like science.

Which means if it had been discovered during Muhammad's time that the semen is actually from the testes and not the backbone, he will admit he was saying nonsense and admonish his followers to ignore his lies.

Also, if it was revealed during his time the damage and evil of child marriage, Muhammed wil admit it was wrong for him to have married Aisha, and will warn his companions to leave girl child alone and not be consumed with greed.

But now we have drlateef and co trying to be more Muslim than Muhammed. They think they know more than Muhammed who created the religion.

Really I just pity them because they are forever stuck with the Qur'an, they are practically slave to that book. They must defend all the nonsense in it even if it only makes Islam and Muhammed a subject of mockery.

When you quote Tafsirs explaining this, their general response is that the hadith has been fabricated.

Going by this logic, it means more than 90% of everything we know about Islam is fabricated.

The Quran is very clear on the verse
Qur'an 86:5-7:
"So let man observe from what he was created. He was created from a fluid, ejected, Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs"?

His whole argument had been about the backbone: he is avoiding what the ribs has to do with reproduction.
What even is that ejected fluid?

sonmvayina:


If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

After you respond to my Question

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

drlateef:




All i need you to do is to go and bring a young brilliant doctor who knows embryology very well. Ask them to make sense of all my statements. He will help you. Also get an arabic speaker to explain the broad meaning of tara’ib. That’s how you can help yourself.

Mr Man u brought up the notochord theory, bring the evidence yourself.
Go and bring evidence from your embryology textbook the notochord has anything to do with urogenital ridge or gonadal development.
Otherwise u failed and your claim is rejected.

SIRTee15:


Mr Man u brought up the notochord theory, bring the evidence yourself.
Go and bring evidence from your embryology textbook the notochord has anything to do with urogenital ridge or gonadal development.
Otherwise u failed and your claim is rejected.

Don’t waste my time, get a young doctor who knows embryology, or any anatomy graduate.

drlateef:



Don’t waste my time, get a young doctor who knows embryology, or any anatomy graduate.

You are nothing but waste of time. Prove it here that urogenital ridge arises from the notochord.
Chaptgpt prove u a liar.
Even this young doctor confirms u a liar.
I will roast u, chew u and spit u out. U won't be the first I will expose his ignorance here on nairaland and definitely won't be the last.
U are too shallow to challenge me. Ordinary first question, u couldn't cross the hurdle, u grasping for lifeline, and we are meant to get to question 4.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPQ08XY-kA

drlateef:



Don’t waste my time, get a young doctor who knows embryology, or any anatomy graduate.

This is another young doctor u looking for...
Learn about your notochord.
I wont allow u turn this into embryology class....so I will delete the video if no response from u within few hours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV0INvrpvJ0

TenQ:

After you respond to my Question

1. If the Qur'an is from God, why does it say the sun set in some murky waters?

I am not a Muslim...

You don't have a right to ask them...

Your beliefs and theirs belong to the same category...same fabrication by men, with little or no knowledge of God...

sonmvayina:


I am not a Muslim...
You don't have a right to ask them...

And I'm not a Jew!
LOL

sonmvayina:


Your beliefs and theirs belong to the same category...same fabrication by men, with little or no knowledge of God...

1. Unfortunately, several DNA analysis of you people showed that you have no remote relation with the Jews
https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/update-igbo-nigeria

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/igbo-not-jews-reveals-dna-report/%3famp

2. Most ethnic people related to the Jews have their Torah even if it is a page. Can we see the fake Jew's Torah
3. Every Jew can trace his lineage to Jacob, can you state your own
4. What are the cultural artifacts that proves that you are Jews.


Aren't you confused!
Where is your Torah?
The one from the fake Jews!?

SIRTee15:


This is another young doctor u looking for...
Learn about your notochord.
I wont allow u turn this into embryology class....so I will delete the video if no response from u within few hours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV0INvrpvJ0

See the picture below and appreciate the contiguous structures to the urogenital ridge. On the midline you have the neural tube and notochord which forms vertebrae and spinal cord. The only structure separating the urogenital ridge from the neural tube and notochord is paraxial mesoderm which forms the muscles around the vertebrae. Now is the Quran right or wrong when it says between the backbone and the lower ribs or chest bones. The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin, the testis descends on both sides to the scrotal sacs in newborn. Do you now agree with Quran? I will be surprised if you agree. Because you will lose your faith in bible and your Jesus christ.

TenQ:

And I'm not a Jew!
LOL




1. Unfortunately, several DNA analysis of you people showed that you have no remote relation with the Jews
https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/update-igbo-nigeria

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sunnewsonline.com/igbo-not-jews-reveals-dna-report/%3famp

2. Most ethnic people related to the Jews have their Torah even if it is a page. Can we see the fake Jew's Torah
3. Every Jew can trace his lineage to Jacob, can you state your own
4. What are the cultural artifacts that proves that you are Jews.


Aren't you confused!
Where is your Torah?
The one from the fake Jews!?

I believe and follow God's divine universal laws called odinani...you choose Christianity which is just same old paganism of worship of mother and son....
I only show that Christianity is not derived from the Tanakh(old testament) and it is a creation of the Roman empire.....it's all a mockery against God..

@TenQ
Can you answer my questions now?

[quote]If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)[\quite]

TenQ:

When you quote Tafsirs explaining this, their general response is that the hadith has been fabricated.

Going by this logic, it means more than 90% of everything we know about Islam is fabricated.

The Quran is very clear on the verse
Qur'an 86:5-7:
"So let man observe from what he was created. He was created from a fluid, ejected, Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs"?

His whole argument had been about the backbone: he is avoiding what the ribs has to do with reproduction.
What even is that ejected fluid?

Do you have knowledge of anatomy? How can you appreciate that?

sonmvayina:


I believe and follow God's divine universal laws called odinani...you choose Christianity which is just same old paganism of worship of mother and son....
I only show that Christianity is not derived from the Tanakh(old testament) and it is a creation of the Roman empire.....it's all a mockery against God..

You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head.[2][3] All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

You are indeed confused!

sonmvayina:
@TenQ
Can you answer my questions now?

There is no basis to answer you until you prove you are a Jew: custodian of the Tanakh

What does the Tanakh mean in your dialect?

drlateef:




Do you have knowledge of anatomy? How can you appreciate that?

At least I know what the Arabs call the taraib and unless you can prove it, it has nothing to do with the L1-L5.

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

TenQ:

At least I know what the Arabs call the taraib and unless you can prove it, it has nothing to do with the L1-L5.

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

Obviously you have not been following my discuss and answers given so far.

TenQ:

There is no basis to answer you until you prove you are a Jew: custodian of the Tanakh

What does the Tanakh mean in your dialect?

You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to God the owner..
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

drlateef:




Obviously you have not been following my discuss and answers given so far.

If you had only answered this question we wouldn't have come to this stage

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

TenQ:

You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head.[2][3] All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

You are indeed confused!

Did you not understand you just posted.?

There is one one creator. The other are all personification of principles of life and all aspect of God.
Just like Olodumare and the Orishas.
Same the Babylonian with Marduk and Enki and the baals.and Judaism too...they refer to them as "the sons of God"

You really don't understand anything...

I can really teach you if you are ready..

One creator...

sonmvayina:


You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to dust.
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

I don't know where you got you SCRIPTURE!

You call yourself Odinani

sonmvayina:


I believe and follow God's divine universal laws called odinani... you choose Christianity which is just same old paganism of worship of mother and son....
I only show that Christianity is not derived from the Tanakh(old testament) and it is a creation of the Roman empire.....it's all a mockery against God..

You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Opening the Tanakh in the Ten Commandment: the first law of the 10 laws of Moses is

Exo 20:3-5:
"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make to you any graven image , or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Mr sonmvayina, as a person who holds a pantheistic and polytheistic faith,


You are indeed confused!

sonmvayina:


Did you not understand you just posted.?

There is one one creator. The other are all personification of principles of life and all aspect of God.
Just like Olodumare and the Orishas.
Same the Babylonian with Marduk and Enki and the baals.and Judaism too...they refer to them as "the sons of God"

You really don't understand anything...

I can really teach you if you are ready..

One creator...

...a polytheistic idol worshipper claiming to be a Jew!?

SMmH!

sonmvayina:


You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to dust.
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

You are Igbo and no more a Jew!?
Tell me:
Did God reveal the Tanakh to Amadioha or Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu or Ikenga?


You are indeed confused beyond measures!

Idol worshipper!

drlateef:




Obviously you have not been following my discuss and answers given so far.

I followed you and you avoided speaking about the Taraib. You only spoke about the backbone sub!

My question wasn't about the backbone but the Taraib.

If you did speak about the Taraib, please quote it as I didn't see it in your discuss.

Therefore, my question remain the same:

Question:
Using this same logic, can you explain how the reproductive fluids of the woman come from her taraib

drlateef:



See the picture below and appreciate the contiguous structures to the urogenital ridge. On the midline you have the neural tube and notochord which forms vertebrae and spinal cord. The only structure separating the urogenital ridge from the neural tube and notochord is paraxial mesoderm which forms the muscles around the vertebrae. Now is the Quran right or wrong when it says between the backbone and the lower ribs or chest bones. The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin, the testis descends on both sides to the scrotal sacs in newborn. Do you now agree with Quran? I will be surprised if you agree. Because you will lose your faith in bible and your Jesus christ.

Only thing I'm interested in is your admission that your previous comment was incorrect...

The notochord is the future spinal cord, a ridge develops at the level of future T12/L1 of notochord and it is called urogenital ridge.

The urogenital ridge has nothing to do with notochord.

Summary of what u wrote is another desperate attempt to smuggle embryology into Qur'an... unfortunately it failed.

Trying to define structures in a 3 week embryo that's just 2mm in size is ridiculous. Virtually all organs in our body came from the structures in your image. I guess they were once all contiguous according to your logic.

Your description of the kidney embryology is laughable and is simply another attempt at forgery. U will come back and eat your word.

You said...
The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin,


Seriously u wrote this, have u heard of the ascent of the kidney in embryology? Go and read the region of the body the kidney is finally formed and how it got to its present stage.

And the development of the kidney actually started from the neck of the embryo.
Pls read and stop embarrassing yourself online.

SIRTee15:


Only thing I'm interested in is your admission that your previous comment was incorrect...

The notochord is the future spinal cord, a ridge develops at the level of future T12/L1 of notochord and it is called urogenital ridge.

The urogenital ridge has nothing to do with notochord.

Summary of what u wrote is another desperate attempt to smuggle embryology into Qur'an... unfortunately it failed.

Trying to define structures in a 3 week embryo that's just 2mm in size is ridiculous. Virtually all organs in our body came from the structures in your image. I guess they were once all contiguous according to your logic.

Your description of the kidney embryology is laughable and is simply another attempt at forgery. U will come back and eat your word.

You said...
The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin,


Seriously u wrote this, have u heard of the ascent of the kidney in embryology? Go and read the region of the body the kidney is finally formed and how it got to its present stage.

And the development of the kidney actually started from the neck of the embryo.
Pls read and stop embarrassing yourself online.

It can be very frustrating for the teachers that taught you in school. I can feel their pain. Anyway other people reading can see my statements and how true they are. I find it difficult to teach dullards. They are usually in SEN (special educational needs) school. That’s where you should go for your schooling. That’s where people with Downs’ syndrome, autism, spinal bifida etc go to school. Your IQ is obviously low. Good night.

drlateef:





It can be very frustrating for the teachers that taught you in school. I can feel their pain. Anyway other people reading can see my statements and how true they are. I find it difficult to teach dullards. They are usually in SEN (special educational needs) school. That’s where you should go for your schooling. That’s where people with Downs’ syndrome, autism, spinal bifida etc go to school. Your IQ is obviously low. Good night.

Embryology from the skull of drlateef...


The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin, the testis descends on both sides to the scrotal sacs in newborn.

Olodo dokita.....

drlateef:





Good night.

Dokita....
learn from one of your young brilliant doctors. It's just a 5 minutes video.
Come back and thank me.
The kidney wasnt in same position throughout fetal stage....it was actually in the sacrum at its early stage.
So pls come back and explain your T12/L1 theory.
It's not adding up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQTzvTR1AlY

sonmvayina:


You still don't understand anything..

God gave humanity his laws to keep so that they can live in peace. Because at the end of the day...their body return to dust and their spirit returns back to dust.
The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. It is for their national religion called Judaism.
I am Igbo..we have the same laws as part of our omenani/odinala. We pass it from father to son to grandson..orally. some people have written it down too..for anybody interested to learn it. I learnt mine from my grandfather.and father too...
It is the same laws as God forbids the same thing.
Why you are fixated on the Jewish one is what I don't understand yet. Are you a slave?
I follow the traditions/laws/statues of my tribe... worshipping or following the idea of another tribe will make me a traitor ..

God's laws are universal.
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not bear false witness
Do not worship any idols.
Do not commit adultery...

Etc...

If you are smart you would have realised that. Why you decided to choose Christianity is what I don't understand.

So now please answer my question..

This guy na confirm idol worshipper sha, if he now has a shrine in his house, the ritual is complete...na him own tabernacle be dat....

Besides the spirit of man doesn't return to the dust, pls correct that.
Except amadioha is your own deity.

SIRTee15:


Dokita....
learn from one of your young brilliant doctors. It's just a 5 minutes video.
Come back and thank me.
The kidney wasnt in same position throughout fetal stage....it was actually in the sacrum at its early stage.
So pls come back and explain your T12/L1 theory.
It's not adding up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQTzvTR1AlY

Let me lecture you further. The kidney does not move but the upper part of the body elongates faster than lower part in early stages of fetal life. But after delivery the lower parts develops faster and eventually the kidneys remain in same position around L1 level. That was its position in early stage of development along with gonads. That’s why their blood supply and nerves arise from T12/L1. I am teaching you anatomy and embryology for free. You might not get that on google.

SIRTee15:



Embryology from the skull of drlateef...


The site of kidneys in adult is almost the same site where it arises with testis. While the kidneys remain in same embryological origin, the testis descends on both sides to the scrotal sacs in newborn.

Olodo dokita.....

That’s not the typical description of what happens in embrology and anatomy books by Prof. Keith Moore.
The elongation of body relative to position of kidneys is what is observed, not migration of kidneys. Thats why you can have developmental anomalies like horseshoe kidneys etc. The elongation of the trunk is what causes positions of kidneys to change, not migration of kidneys. There is no mesentry that will drag the kidneys because they are retroperitoneal structures. Structures that move are usually having a mesentery or cord that drags them. This is the case with testis. There is a cord that drags it along into the scrotum during descent. The kidney has no such structure.