drlateef:





That’s not the typical description of what happens in embrology and anatomy books by Prof. Keith Moore.
The elongation of body relative to position of kidneys is what is observed, not migration of kidneys. Thats why you can have developmental anomalies like horseshoe kidneys etc. The elongation of the trunk is what causes positions of kidneys to change, not migration of kidneys. There is no mesentry that will drag the kidneys because they are retroperitoneal structures. Structures that move are usually having a mesentery or cord that drags them. This is the case with testis. There is a cord that drags it along into the scrotum during descent. The kidney has no such structure.

Ok then explain pelvic kidney.

drlateef:




Let me lecture you further. The kidney does not move but the upper part of the body elongates faster than lower part in early stages of fetal life. But after delivery the lower parts develops faster and eventually the kidneys remain in same position around L1 level. That was its position in early stage of development along with gonads. That’s why their blood supply and nerves arise from T12/L1. I am teaching you anatomy and embryology for free. You might not get that on google.

I will be soft on you. Obviously u struggling to defend your weak theory because u likely have forgotten your embryology- the fetal kidney doesn't have the same blood supply throughout its development stages and it's not always at T12/L1.

Anyway brush your memory on embryology and I will leave it at that.
Your prophet already get a better and honest answer to my question....

“I am only a human: if I command you to do something in your religion, then take it; but if I tell you to do something based on personal opinion, then [realize] that I am only human,” and in another narration, “Yet if I inform you of something from Allah, then do it, for indeed I will never convey an untruth on behalf of Allah Mighty and Majestic,” and in yet another narration, “You know better of your worldly affairs.”

Poor knowledge of embryology doesn't make u less of a Muslim. So u don't need to be sweating over something not relevant to your faith.
Forcing embryology into the Koran will not help it's cause here, nobody is buying it including pragmatic Muslims.

Now can move to question 2.
As a doctor, at what age should a girl child consent to marriage.

Pls let's be civil, no need for insults. We all here to learn.

SIRTee15:


I will be soft on you. Obviously u struggling to defend your weak theory because u likely have forgotten your embryology- the fetal kidney doesn't have the same blood supply throughout its development stages and it's not always at T12/L1.

Anyway brush your memory on embryology and I will leave it at that.
Your prophet already get a better and honest answer to my question....

“I am only a human: if I command you to do something in your religion, then take it; but if I tell you to do something based on personal opinion, then [realize] that I am only human,” and in another narration, “Yet if I inform you of something from Allah, then do it, for indeed I will never convey an untruth on behalf of Allah Mighty and Majestic,” and in yet another narration, “You know better of your worldly affairs.”

Poor knowledge of embryology doesn't make u less of a Muslim. So u don't need to be sweating over something not relevant to your faith.
Forcing embryology into the Koran will not help it's cause here, nobody is buying it including pragmatic Muslims.

Now can move to question 2.
As a doctor, at what age should a girl child consent to marriage.

Pls let's be civil, no need for insults. We all here to learn.

You are a joker. Obviously you know nothing about embryology. The fetal kidney has blood supply from L1 at all times. Same with testis and ovaries. Because that’s their embryological origin. Same with nerve supply. The L1 is the vertebra and it is junction of thorax with lumber region. Thats the junction between the last rib and lumber or loin region. And this is my last comment. The rest you should go and read if you are truly searching for truth.

SIRTee15:


Ok then explain pelvic kidney.

Pelvic kidneys are held down by aberrant blood vessels and other structures as the lower trunk develops and elongates.

drlateef:




You are a joker. Obviously you know nothing about embryology. The fetal kidney has blood supply from L1 at all times. Same with testis and ovaries. Because that’s their embryological origin. Same with nerve supply. The L1 is the vertebra and it is junction of thorax with lumber region. Thats the junction between the last rib and lumber or loin region. And this is my last comment. The rest you should go and read if you are truly searching for truth.

He be like say u like choping dust. I gave u a way out but u rejected insisting u preferred to be embarrassed.
Besides what do u even mean by blood supply from L1. I'm not going to assume for u because I'm beginning to doubt your qualification.

Now to expose your ignorance....
You said this....

The fetal kidney has blood supply from L1 at all times. Same with testis and ovaries. Because that’s their embryological origin

Now let's ask other sources....

drlateef:




Pelvic kidneys are held down by aberrant blood vessels and other structures as the lower trunk develops and elongates.

Pls go and read nephrogenic cord and it's division, then come back and tell me which them gives rise to the fetal kidney.
I thought u said the kidney doesn't migrate, how come it's now been held down. How can u hold down something that's fixed?
See u not only are u contradicting yourself, u also not making sense.
That's what happened when u try force Qur'an into embryology.

Pls go to my next question....
What is the age a girl child can consent to marriage.

author=SIRTee15 post=123158800]

This guy na confirm idol worshipper sha, if he now has a shrine in his house, the ritual is complete...na him own tabernacle be dat....

Besides the spirit of man doesn't return to the dust, pls correct that.
Except amadioha is your own deity.

You did not comment on my write up. Except the typo...

It is because it is the truth but you must make people think you have something to say...

Don't worry. When you grow up, you will realise that your jesus is an idol...

Till then, enjoy the ignorance...

TenQ:

You are Igbo and no more a Jew!?
Tell me:
Did God reveal the Tanakh to Amadioha or Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu or Ikenga?


You are indeed confused beyond measures!

Idol worshipper!

See how stupid you are...did I say any of those things...

Don't worry, when you grow up you will have sense...

TenQ:

...a polytheistic idol worshipper claiming to be a Jew!?

SMmH!

You know you don't have sense...

If you did, you would have asked me question based on the comment you mentioned..

Aturu

TenQ:

I don't know where you got you SCRIPTURE!

You call yourself Odinani



You speak of a God you don't know!
Are you a Jew!?


Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Opening the Tanakh in the Ten Commandment: the first law of the 10 laws of Moses is

Exo 20:3-5:
"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make to you any graven image , or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Mr sonmvayina, as a person who holds a pantheistic and polytheistic faith,


You are indeed confused!

Odinani means the laws of the land...

Just like the Jews have Torah for their land..

I follow mine, they follow theirs....

Same idea of God...
Same laws...


But you...you are still a toddler...

Who/what is God?

TenQ:

You are Igbo and no more a Jew!?
Tell me:
Did God reveal the Tanakh to Amadioha or Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu or Ikenga?


You are indeed confused beyond measures!

Idol worshipper!

Ok I agree..

Can you now answer my question now?

Please..

sonmvayina:

Ok I agree..

Can you now answer my question now?

Please..

You have no basis to ask me any question bro!
You are confused beyond redemption!

An Idol worshiper!?

Tueh!

sonmvayina:


Odinani means the laws of the land...

Just like the Jews have Torah for their land..

I follow mine, they follow theirs....

Same idea of God...
Same laws...


But you...you are still a toddler...

Who/what is God?

Don't redefine Odinani to suit your fantasy:

Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

This has nothing to do with the Scripture of the Jews the Tanakh not the Bible.


Bring your own scripture and let's talk!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

sonmvayina:


You know you don't have sense...

If you did, you would have asked me question based on the comment you mentioned..

Aturu

What is your relationship with the Tanakh: I'll like to know your first contact with it?

TenQ:

What is your relationship with the Tanakh: I'll like to know your first contact with it?

I did CRS in my junior school....In UDSS Benin city..

Can you answer my question now?

TenQ:


Don't redefine Odinani to suit your fantasy:

Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head. All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity

This has nothing to do with the Scripture of the Jews the Tanakh not the Bible.


Bring your own scripture and let's talk!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

The Jews recognise one God and the other lesser gods referred to as "the sons of God" that is the deities like Amadioha, etc.which is Sango is Yoruba, Thor in Norse etc..
So what you on about..

Answer my question..

sonmvayina:

I did CRS in my junior school....In UDSS Benin city..

Can you answer my question now?

That is no relationship!
Most of the Atheists I deal with on NL were former Christians and as a rule, I don't discuss bible with them. I discuss that which is common to us eg Logic, Science and Philosophy.

With you, I don't know anything common and I see that you are thoroughly confused as per your Faith!

sonmvayina:


If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

@TenQ can you answer my question now?

sonmvayina:


The Jews recognise one God and the other lesser gods referred to as "the sons of God" that is the deities like Amadioha, etc.which is Sango is Yoruba, Thor in Norse etc..
So what you on about..

Answer my question..

No sir!

Another confusion from you. Jews are strictly monotheistic even more than the Muslims.

The fundamental of Jewish believes centers on the Schema

Sh'ma Yisra'el, YHWH 'eloheinu, YHWH 'eḥad:


Better still
Find me ANY Jewish Rabbi that believe in lesser gods?

TenQ:

That is no relationship!
Most of the Atheists I deal with on NL were former Christians and as a rule, I don't discuss bible with them. I discuss that which is common to us eg Logic, Science and Philosophy.

With you, I don't know anything common and I see that you are thoroughly confused as per your Faith!

I was once a Christian in my period of ignorance..now I have grown older...

So please why did you choose jesus, a creation of the Roman empire as your God. Do you know that human sacrifice is an abomination according to God in the Tanakh. And also do you know worshipping a man as God is idolatry too as God is not a man....

So why did you choose jesus?.

Answer my question...I will get off your hair..

sonmvayina:


@TenQ can you answer my question now?

We have NOTHING in common bro!

TenQ:

No sir!

Another confusion from you. Jews are strictly monotheistic even more than the Muslims.

The fundamental of Jewish believes centers on the Schema

Sh'ma Yisra'el, YHWH 'eloheinu, YHWH 'eḥad:


Better still
Find me ANY Jewish Rabbi that believe in lesser gods?

sonmvayina:


I was once a Christian in my period of ignorance..now I have grown older...

So please why did you choose jesus, a creation of the Roman empire as your God. Do you know that human sacrifice is an abomination according to God in the Tanakh. And also do you know worshipping a man as God is idolatry too as God is not a man....

So why did you choose jesus?.

Answer my question...I will get off your hair..

answer my question.
Quit stalling...

TenQ:

We have NOTHING in common bro!

So...preach to me....


I might change my mind..


If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

sonmvayina:


I was once a Christian in my period of ignorance..now I have grown older...

So please why did you choose jesus, a creation of the Roman empire as your God. Do you know that human sacrifice is an abomination according to God in the Tanakh. And also do you know worshipping a man as God is idolatry too as God is not a man....

So why did you choose jesus?.

Answer my question...I will get off your hair..

We have ZERO things in common: it's a waste.

Bring your SCRIPTURE and perhaps we can find something remotely relating.
LOL

sonmvayina:


So...preach to me....


I might change my mind..


If the new testament is from God, where did God say he would sire a son by impregnating another man's wife, who would be killed as a sacrifice to him but will rise on the third day?
In the Tanakh (old testament)

LOL!
Tell me,
Were you told something different by Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ or Ekwensu?

What did they tell you?

sonmvayina:
answer my question.
Quit stalling...

You are now an idol worshipper: congratulations!

TenQ:

We have ZERO things in common: it's a waste.

Bring your SCRIPTURE and perhaps we can find something remotely relating.
LOL

Scriptures keh?

Why do I need somebody to tell me what is good and what I had?

Chukwu has given me wisdom...

I am not a mumu like you, that believes a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man....

TenQ:

You are now an idol worshipper: congratulations!

Lol...I don't worship anything..

Nobody told me to worship anything..

Just obey natural laws ....and be nice to people. And also people can be nice if they choose to...

What about you?
You worship a creation of man..

So between you and me who is an idol worshipper?

TenQ:

LOL!
Tell me,
Were you told something different by Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ or Ekwensu?

What did they tell you?

Hahahaha...deflating..

If there was, you would have said it long time ago...when I said jesus is a nonentity, I mean every word I said..

sonmvayina:



Hahahaha...deflating..

If there was, you would have said it long time ago...when I said jesus is a nonentity, I mean every word I said..

Did Ala or Amadiọha or Anyanwụ or Ekwensu tell you this?

Or, it's a figment of your wish Idol Worshiper?

sonmvayina:


Lol...I don't worship anything..

Nobody told me to worship anything..

Just obey natural laws ....and be nice to people. And also people can be nice if they choose to...

What about you?
You worship a creation of man..

So between you and me who is an idol worshipper?

Prove that you don't worship Ala or Amadiọha or Anyanwụ or Ekwensu?

sonmvayina:


Scriptures keh?

Why do I need somebody to tell me what is good and what I had?

Chukwu has given me wisdom...

I am not a mumu like you, that believes a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man....

All I need is the authority by which you speak: can you give me a link to your SCRIPTURE?

Otherwise, all you say is worthless rants from your own confused mind.
How am I sure you are not even insane?