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Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by ichuka(m): 11:30pm On Dec 19, 2013
Boomark:

Did Gal 3:20 say, the mediator is God?

@Bidam
Why have you deserted me?
Next time, don't tell me that i hate the truth along either the devil. angry That alone made me to sharpen my double edge sword just to expose the false foundation(trinity) you are standing on.

I will let this one pass though i have not all i have on Godhead.
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by ichuka(m): 11:32pm On Dec 19, 2013
Boomark:

Did Gal 3:20 say, the mediator is God?

@Bidam
Why have you deserted me?
Next time, don't tell me that i hate the truth along either the devil. angry That alone made me to sharpen my double edge sword just to expose the false foundation(trinity) you are standing on.

I will let this one pass though i have not all i have on Godhead.
Dude go and do the NEEDFULL by studing the book of GALATAINS3

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Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 4:08pm On Dec 20, 2013
i.chuka:

Dude go and do the NEEDFULL by studing the book of GALATAINS3

This is how they start. In the end, you will will start running around. I asked a simple question.

Did Gal 3:20 say, the mediator is God? Answer the NEEDFUL Question if you can.
SMH!!!
Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Nobody: 5:49pm On Dec 20, 2013
Bidam:
John 10:30-34 is a section of verses where the Pharisees say that Jesus is making Himself out to be God (v. 33).

"I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.'"

You can say, "See, even the Jews knew He was claiming to be God.

The Pharisees do not believe he is the Christ. John 8:52. So go and believe them. The god the jews meant was "a god", not almighty. This is shown from what Jesus later replied. Jesus proved that humans (which is the context of their statement) were called gods in the hebrew scriptures. read verse 34.

[s]The Jehovah's Witness (if he's quick enough) will say something like, "Jesus wasn't God, the Jew's only thought that Jesus was claiming to be God."

Then you can say, "Oh, I see. Then let me get this right. You agree with the Pharisees, Jesus wasn't God? Is that correct? The Jehovah's Witness will not like it that he agrees with a Pharisee.[/s]

Wrong, suggestion. try again. What you dont know is that the Truth never change even when you rehearse a reply.

Witnesses are not subject to a suggestion. It is simply a suggestion. Those advanced in spirituality respond base on their personal research rather than always limit themselves to the suggestion.

Of course, the suggestions will always be true cos it is a suggestion based on the truth.

Plurality in the Godhead

The following group of scriptures strongly suggests a plurality within the Godhead. These verses are translated correctly in the Jehovah's Witness Bible so you can encourage them to use it. The NIV is not as literal in its translation in the Amos verses, so I recommend using either the King James or the New American Standard Bible when doing your own.

Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . .'"

[s]They will say that angels are the ones who helped God make man[/s]. However, there is no scriptural evidence for that. God is the only creator.

We never said that sir. I wonder when you will leave lies and be a true Christian.

You can also take him to Col. 1:15-17 where it says that Jesus is the creator of all things--including man and Isaiah 44:24 where it says that God created the heavens and the earth all alone.

Gen. 19:24, "Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven."
Is this saying there are two Lords, two Jehovah's?

Amos 4:10-11, 'I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah . . . '"

Jehovah is the one talking and He says, "I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah..." Very interesting.

Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me . . . '" See also, Isaiah 48:16

Jesus was called the firstborn of all creation. col. 1:15, Rev. 3:14. after creating Jesus, God used him to create all other things. Remember the word "Through" was used there. WHY "THROUGH"?

Since God created things THROUGH Jesus, God receives the glory. Without God, Jesus wont do it.

[s]If you are reading these verses to a Jehovah's Witness he might say something like, "Are you trying to show the Trinity from these verses?" You can then say, "You got the Trinity out of these?"[/s]


These verses and others are more fully developed in The Plurality Study, which is a powerful tool for witnessing to the Witnesses.

Since you have it, why havent you been able to accomplish anything here? and the witnesses have been proven you wrong?

John 20:25 says, "The other disciples therefore were saying to him, 'We have seen the Lord!' But he said to them, 'Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe'" (NASB).

The Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus was crucified on a cross. They say it happened on a torture stake where His wrists were put together over His head and a single nail was put through both. If that is true, then why does Thomas say "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails..." In the Greek the word used here for "nails", helos, is in the plural. Therefore, there was more than one nail used in the hands of the crucifixion of Christ.

ok, lets use the other greek word used.

What is the meaning of Xylon?

When Paul and Peter quoted the hebrew scriptures in reference to the instrument of his execution, which material was used their, stake or tree?

That nails is used proves nothing. by your thinking up, you will douse away this point.

First and Last

How many firsts and lasts are there? In the Bible God is called the first and last and so is Jesus. Since God says there is no God apart from Him and Jesus and God are both addressed by the same title, then that poses a problem for the Jehovah's Witness.

Isaiah 44:6, "This is what the LORD says -Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

Revelation 1:8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1:17-18, "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
Obviously, Rev. 1:17-18 can only refer to Jesus.

Revelation 22:12-13, "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Here, both the "Alpha and the Omega" and the "First and the Last" are said to be one and the same.

Also, at this point go to Titus 2:13 where it says that Jesus is the one who is coming soon, therefore, Jesus and Jehovah are the same.

since rhe holy spirit is not stated as coming, "he" is not part of the trinity then.

That two people share the same title does not make them the same persons. Alpha and Omega belongs to Jah alone. Jesus was never called "Lord God". the word is never used together for him, only Jehovah. so rev. 1:8 is talking Jah.

Assignment:

In greek grammar, when a definite article is used before a title, what does it mean? and when it is not used, what does it signify?

The Holy Spirit

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar. They deny that He is alive and that He is a person. This is, of course, because they deny the Trinity. Yet, if the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...

Why is He called God (Acts 5:3-5)?

He was not called God. lying to God is like lying to the spirit of God cos God uses that spirit to accomplish his purpose including revealing secrets. muse Acts 5:9

How is it that He can teach (John 14:26)?

Just like one can receive a supernatural power which will make him understand things he could normally wont understand, so does the spirit teach, it wont come down like Jesus did to teach people. It only helps you to understand.

How can He be blasphemed (Matt. 12:31,32)?

Speaking against what God accomplished with that spirit is blasphemy.

Answer:

Why is it not punishable to blaspheme against Jesus, but punishable when the same happens for the spirit since you say they are the same?

How can He be the one who comforts (Acts 9:31)?

It can perform many things as God uses it. It can work in many persons, people can be baptize with it just like they can be baptize with water. who can be baptized with Jesus and God?

How is it possible for Him to speak (Acts 28:25)?

inanimate things could be personified in the bible, just like wisdom. prov. 8:22-

How then can He be resisted (Acts 7:51)?

When you resist the work performed with it.

How can He be grieved (Eph. 4:30)?

see blasphemy above.

How can He help us in our weaknesses (Rom. 8:26)?

Through its help.

[s]If the Holy Spirit is a force, then how is it possible that the above mentioned characteristics are attributed to Him? A force doesn't speak, teach, comfort, etc.[/s]

QUESTION FOR YOU

Why is it called "it" at john 14:16, 17 ? use the original language to understand.

The Resurrection of Jesus
The Jehovah's Witnesses deny the physical resurrection of Jesus. They say that if the sacrifice of Jesus were real then the body had to stay in the grave. They say that He rose in a spirit body. This body was a manifestation similar to the way angels manifested themselves in the Old Testament.

The problem with their view is that the angels were not incarnated. That is they are not born of women. Jesus became a man by birth, therefore, He had a real, physical body, a permanent body. In fact, right now, Jesus is in heaven in the form of a man, though he is a glorified man. Also, He still has two natures, God and man, and will eternally be in this state.

which scripture said he is God incarnate? Does flesh and blood dwell in heaven?

Jesus rose from the dead in the same body he died in. For scriptural proof of this, consider the following verses.

In John 2:19-22 before the crucifixion Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up...He was speaking of the temple of His body." Since Jesus said He would raise the same body He died in, then it must be true.

This last verse is worth focusing on. Remember, Jesus said He would be the one to raise His body. So, it must be true.

John 20:27 - Jesus said to Thomas, "reach your finger...and put it into My side..."
If Jesus were not raised from the dead, then why did He have a physical body?

Jesus statement was made in faith that his Father will raise him. compare acts 2:32

2. he materialized it.

Question:

When a bull is sacrificed in the past, does the owner take back the bulls blood and flesh?

The Jehovah's Witnesses will reply that it was a temporary body materialized so the apostles would believe that He was raised.

Yet, this is not what Jesus said in John 2:19-22. He said He would raise His very body.

Luke 24:39 - "a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."

Jesus said that He had "flesh and bones" not "flesh and blood." This is important because [size=18pt]flesh[/size] and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50).


Look at your contradiction and cure your delirium.

The blood of Jesus was the sacrifice for sin (Rom. 5:9). It is the blood that cleanses us of our sin (Heb. 9:22).

The blood of Jesus was shed on the cross and so, most probably, Jesus doesn't have any functioning blood in His body.

look above and cure your problem. You are correct partly about the blood, but ruminate Luke 22:19 and tell me your observation.

Similarities between the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Pharisees:

The Pharisees denied the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, as do the JW's.
The Pharisees denied the physical resurrection of Christ and salvation by grace alone, as do the JW's.

http://carm.org/biblical-response-to-jehovahs-witnesses

What is the difference between you and these?

“The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet to YOUR forefathers, 26 saying, ‘Go to this people and say: “By hearing, YOU will hear but by no means understand; and, looking, YOU will look but by no means see. 27 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes; that they should never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn back, and I should heal them.”’

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Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by Boomark(m): 4:41pm On Dec 21, 2013
Boomark:

This is how they start. In the end, you will will start running around. I asked a simple question.

Did Gal 3:20 say, the mediator is God? Answer the NEEDFUL Question if you can.
SMH!!!



^^I believe those involved have confirmed that the doctrine of trinity was made by the understanding of men.

To all who tell people to seek Holy spirit for guidance in a way of presenting themselves as the ones speaking the truth, you all should learn to be humble. Pride comes before a fall.

The truth has been revealed by the Holy spirit, what you need is understand and using the sense of reasoning God gave you when considering what was written.

Abraham said, "they have the prophets..." I tell you, you have the truth in the scripture. Unless there is a special intervention for "Re-revelation," if there is anything like that. With the fruit of the spirit and absence of pride, you will understand the truth.

@i.chuka
Gal 3:20 is talking about mediators of the old covenant(eg. Moses) not Jesus. That settles it.

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