RikoduoSennin: @Bidam,


My Matt 28:19 did not READ THUS "....God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit". Please be really careful of adding to the Scriptures, there mentioned Name not Titles.

So because the father, Son, holy spirit is mentioned one after the other, that invariably means "threeness". So as many times the bible Mention Peter, James and John, they have their own threeness eh!

If Jesus was called the Son of Man and the Son of God, did the Father have a spirit wife? In what manner was he called the Son of God? In like Matter as Adam was called the Son of God, and the Angels are called Sons of God. It is not exclusive to Jesus. Hence the use "Firstborn" in the Scriptures.


So you are saying John 1:14 means Jesus is a split personallity of the Father, that means before Abraham he wasn't since he is still inside the Father.

So Satan must be really powerful to tempt God(Jesus) with the Worlds Kingdom and Even ask him to do an act of Worship to him. I wonder who create God. So some people have Clapped and Spat in God's Face- they must be legends!


You said the holy Spirit is a person, prove it! How did is it the holy Spirit possess the body of Christ and the thousands of disciples all by it self.

Co-equal is not consistence with the word "rank", "Class" or "Order" you used. In the Catholic order-members of different Class are they equal.

Co-eternal? Doubtful, Well, Jesus died didn't he? Did the Father die ever in history, NO! If any form of Jesus was alive he would not have needed a Ressurection ( which how faith hangs on).

If you believe Thomas who said,"My lord My God" to Jesus, Why don't you believe Jesus words "My God"-John 20:17, Rev 1:12. Thomas said his ones, Jesus said his at least twice, who of the two should be believe.

If you do not believe Jesus' word, I rest my case.

Afterall That is what this three Scriptures have in common: 2 Tim 3:7, 1 Tim 1:6,7 and 2 Thess 2:11,12.

All this argument came from the stupid translators who refuse to put the Personal Name of God-YHWH where they originally existed because of supersticious beliefs-(Thou shall not Use the Name of the Lord in vain), Something Written in the original Manuscript. You don't call your dog, Dog do you? YHWY was written in the original manuscript to identify who is who, not this Lord and God which apply to many people.

Lol,@bold and you decided to invent your bible using your logic and philosophy because in your opinion, their translations are silly abi? Grow up you have no case here.

Boomark:

If calling me a demon will boost your confidence to answer my question on Godhead, Go ahead. May be because i torment liers.

I have already shown that Godhead is the nature of God and it is own by God and God gives it to who ever He pleases. These things destroyed the meaning trinitarian formulated on Godhead which they stated that it consist of 3 persons. Go and tell me i am wrong with scriptural proof.

No it didn't. Jesus existed as the WORD and was sent by the Father. I told you that countless times. So you are actually shooting yourself the more not me.

Boomark:

If calling me a demon will boost your confidence to answer my question on Godhead, Go ahead. May be because i torment liers.

I have already shown that Godhead is the nature of God and it is own by God and God gives it to who ever He pleases. These things destroyed the meaning trinitarian formulated on Godhead which they stated that it consist of 3 persons. Go and tell me i am wrong with scriptural proof.

No it didn't. Jesus existed as the WORD and was sent by the Father. I told you that countless times. So you are actually shooting yourself the more not me.

TroGunn:

I gave you several verses clearly showing the Father to be superior, most of the verses about Christ when he was on earth and after being resurrected to heaven, and you respond by spouting all these unrelated stories.

You call in unrelated, i call it bible sense.

Do angels have mothers when the bible calls them 'sons of God' (Job 38:7)? Just keep squirming and forming stories as you go along. You just dig yourselves deeper into poo. Meaning of Christ's sonship is clear - he is the firstborn of all creation (Col1:15), the beginning of the creation by God (Rev 3:14). Christ is a created being. It's why he is called 'begotten' son (John3:16). 'Begotten' means 'to father or produce' an offspring - vocabulary.com. Christ was produced by God directly.

ERROR..Christ is not a created being like angels. He is the Word of God. Get that fact into your thick skull.

The reason Christ is called The Word is because he is God's spokesperson, who explains God (John1:18)- not that Christ is God's spoken or written word/instructions/prophecies. This is clearly apparent in the way God gave John the visions of Revelation - from God to Jesus to angel to John (Rev 1:1). As the head of the congregation, Christ is the spokesperson for God and he played same role when he was in heaven before coming to earth.

Prophets are also God's spokesperson, you are trying hard to promote your falsehood.

I guess if the bolded happens, we'll also become God Amighty, abi? Confusion galore. Indeed I do agree with you, though that we should walk as did Christ, in truth and according to the scriptures- and Christ clearly stated he is lesser than the Father (John14:28). Definitely not in useless human traditions and satan-inspired falsehood. Do yourself a favour, Google 'origin of Trinity' and free yourself so you stop creating threads you get bashed in because you find no satisfaction and your conscience is troubling you.

Rather, you are the guy being bashed here. I don't need google to learn my bible. The Holy Spirit teaches me comparing scripture with scripture.

Concerning whether we'll become God almighty..na you open ya mouth talk that trash no be me. What do you understand by the word ELOHIM, Is it singular or plural? You can ask google, you always run to anytime you see debates like this.

JMAN05:

You better learn to answer a question, instead of jumping. I repeat:


oga, I said you not google. answer the question.



I understand you mean to say, infinite. Am I correct?



As oppose to what?

The bold showed you are still a kid in spiritual matters. So you have the right bible inspired? chai, nairaland people self... well, keep living in that darkness, until you progress to someone who will use that statement to tell you how shallow you are in spiritual matters.

But answer the question abeg.

AM AT LIBERTY TO THROW YOU A QUESTION TOO.SO ANSWER MY OWN. Thanks for calling me shallow, i didn't invite you here, you brought yourself without being invited, so who is the spoilt kid here. Don't get offended if i ignore you from now.

JMAN05:

hahahahahahaha, you must be an analyst.

And you are a Pecksniffian.

Bidam: What do you understand by the word ELOHIM, Is it singular or plural? You can ask google, you always run to anytime you see debates like this.

The word Elohim(Hebrew word for God) is more of a generic name since The hebrew writings lacks some of the modern characters used to qualify writings today.

As such, the word Elohim was used for both singular and plural references to God/gods(there also was no capilisation in hebrew language).

This word was used when referimg to canaanites deities and and used for humans, also used for Idols/statue(single/singular) and also Yahweh as God.

Hence, basing your explanation of Trinity on the modus of used of the Word Helohim can at best be as a result of lack of substance to substantiate the trinity doctrine from scriptures.

Peace

Bidam:

Lol,@bold and you decided to invent your bible using your logic and philosophy because in your opinion, their translations are silly abi? Grow up you have no case here.

You have me mistaken, I did not invent my own bible-No, I can never do that!

Unlike you who hold on to Teachings rather than the Bible, I compare different bibles (KJV,NEV,Gideon International,Greek interlinear-greek2English bible etc), Research the words used in all of them with an open mind (not baised).

I believe the bible is God's Word (Evidence exist to that fact). So it can't CONTRADICT itself (if it ever does- I will discard it as Man's Word not God's) and I have a rule- not to go beyond what is written in the Bible. So if anyone tells me anything not in the bible, I see it as their opinion-everyone is intitled to theirs anyway.

That is Why I think you should leave Sentiments aside an Read John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12 because to me, it contradicts all what you are saying in this particular thread. (NB: I really don't like abusive Speech, I try to treat others with respect so I expect the Same, if you reply without abusive Speech, then don't- I am not a Fanatic of religion, I am simply Searching for God(YHWH) with evidence)

Bidam: No it didn't. Jesus existed as the WORD and was sent by the Father. I told you that countless times. So you are actually shooting yourself the more not me.

I know Jesus existed and is still the Word. This is not the meaning of Godhead.

Your "No it didn't" shows lack of proof, no scriptural back, an indication that it is of man-made doctrine. What i want you to do now is to tell the world that what trinitarians are teaching Christians about Godhead is false (ie Godhead is made up of three persons). Write a pledge that you will never teach this false doctrine again.

I will not digress untill you prove this right. I will post our stand on Godhead again which is against trinitarians belief.

JMAN05:

hahahahahahaha, you must be an analyst.

I know him and Olaadegbu well. Now am sticking with Godhead and he cannot present a single scripture to oppose what i said.

What i said is happening already. Let me see who will come and cheer him up on this one. On this one, the cheerer and the cheeree has nothing to say.

@Bidam
see it here.

Hahaha! At least now Trogun has
taught you something. That the
fullness of the deity(Godhead), Col
2:9, which dwelt in Christ did not
make him equal to God. We who
are in Christ also have that fullness
of the deity, Colossians 2:10. Does
that make us God or His equal?
Trinity doctrine taught you that
Godhead consist of 3 persons and
you believe it not knowing that it is
God's nature according to the
scripture. I wonder who inspired
such doctrine that contradicts the
scripture.

And they did not also teach you
that Godhead is something that
belongs to God,

Rom 1:20
"for since the creation of the world His
invisible attributes are clearly
seen,... even His eternal power and
Godhead..."

Note that you must not speak against the word of God. Simply tell us how your man made doctrine contradicts it and promise never to teach it again.

Bidam: You call in unrelated, i call it bible sense.
ERROR..Christ is not a created being like angels. He is the Word of God. Get that fact into your thick skull.
Prophets are also God's spokesperson, you are trying hard to promote your falsehood.



Rather, you are the guy being bashed here. I don't need google to learn my bible. The Holy Spirit teaches me comparing scripture with scripture.

Concerning whether we'll become God almighty..na you open ya mouth talk that trash no be me. What do you understand by the word ELOHIM, Is it singular or plural? You can ask google, you always run to anytime you see debates like this.

Care to explain why angels are called Christs companions where it is written about Christ - "therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy" (Heb 1:9).

Notice how Christ is said to worship God Almighty here.

And you have no leg to stand on in Heb 1:8 . This verse is actually a direct quote of Psalms 45:6. While two possible translations are "Your throne O God ( KJV).." and "God is thy throne ...(Moffatt’s) / Your divine throne is (Revised Standard Version, Common English Bible) / The kingdom that God has given you (Good News Translation) ", the likely more accurate one is the latter renderings since this Psalm 45 was apparently initially applied to an earthly King (likely Solomon), unless you think this earthly King (Solomon?) was also God Almighty.

Notice how other translations render that verse - http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/45-6-compare.html

Even if we take the less accurate translation that Christ is called God here, this would be like usage in Isa 9:6 - still doesn't equate Christ to the Almighty God - the God that Christ himself worships, and who elevated him over Christ's companions ( heb 1:9, Ps 45:7).

Well, you really should ask google because the Trinity name itself or concept is extra-biblical. You owe yourself to research it's origin and how it was adopted, if you really are sincere.

Bidam:

Lol,@bold and you decided to invent your bible using your logic and philosophy because in your opinion, their translations are silly abi? Grow up you have no case here.

If this is what you say about the bold, you are the one that needs to grow up, not him. Honestly.

Bidam: No it didn't. [b] Jesus existed as the WORD and was sent by the Father[/b]. I told you that countless times. So you are actually shooting yourself the more not me.

Do you then think that Jesus was just the literal Word of God?

Bidam: And you are a Pecksniffian.

Was I talking to you? You wont ignore this one, will you? Eisegesis cant lead you anywhere. We are just interested in your soul.

Boomark:


I know him and Olaadegbu well. Now am sticking with Godhead and he cannot present a single scripture to oppose what i said.

What i said is happening already. Let me see who will come and cheer him up on this one. On this one, the cheerer and the cheeree has nothing to say.

the bold is funny. I just pray they will see. Man-made tradition is really a bad thing especially when it opposes the biible.

RikoduoSennin:

You have me mistaken, I did not invent my own bible-No, I can never do that!

Unlike you who hold on to Teachings rather than the Bible, I compare different bibles (KJV,NEV,Gideon International,Greek interlinear-greek2English bible etc), Research the words used in all of them with an open mind (not baised).

I believe the bible is God's Word (Evidence exist to that fact). So it can't CONTRADICT itself (if it ever does- I will discard it as Man's Word not God's) and I have a rule- not to go beyond what is written in the Bible. So if anyone tells me anything not in the bible, I see it as their opinion-everyone is intitled to theirs anyway.

That is Why I think you should leave Sentiments aside an Read John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12 because to me, it contradicts all what you are saying in this particular thread. (NB: I really don't like abusive Speech, I try to treat others with respect so I expect the Same, if you reply without abusive Speech, then don't- I am not a Fanatic of religion, I am simply Searching for God(YHWH) with evidence)

Search for him and you will find Him.Cheers.

TroGunn:

Care to explain why angels are called Christs companions where it is written about Christ - "therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy" (Heb 1:9).

Notice how Christ is said to worship God Almighty here.

And you have no leg to stand on in Heb 1:8 . This verse is actually a direct quote of Psalms 45:6. While two possible translations are "Your throne O God ( KJV).." and "God is thy throne ...(Moffatt’s) / Your divine throne is (Revised Standard Version, Common English Bible) / The kingdom that God has given you (Good News Translation) ", the likely more accurate one is the latter renderings since this Psalm 45 was apparently initially applied to an earthly King (likely Solomon), unless you think this earthly King (Solomon?) was also God Almighty.

Notice how other translations render that verse - http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/45-6-compare.html

Even if we take the less accurate translation that Christ is called God here, this would be like usage in Isa 9:6 - still doesn't equate Christ to the Almighty God - the God that Christ himself worships, and who elevated him over Christ's companions ( heb 1:9, Ps 45:7).

Well, you really should ask google because the Trinity name itself or concept is extra-biblical. You owe yourself to research it's origin and how it was adopted, if you really are sincere.

Th fool says in His hEART..There is no GOD.

TroGunn:

Care to explain why angels are called Christs companions where it is written about Christ - "therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy" (Heb 1:9).

Notice how Christ is said to worship God Almighty here.

And you have no leg to stand on in Heb 1:8 . This verse is actually a direct quote of Psalms 45:6. While two possible translations are "Your throne O God ( KJV).." and "God is thy throne ...(Moffatt’s) / Your divine throne is (Revised Standard Version, Common English Bible) / The kingdom that God has given you (Good News Translation) ", the likely more accurate one is the latter renderings since this Psalm 45 was apparently initially applied to an earthly King (likely Solomon), unless you think this earthly King (Solomon?) was also God Almighty.

Notice how other translations render that verse - http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/45-6-compare.html

Even if we take the less accurate translation that Christ is called God here, this would be like usage in Isa 9:6 - still doesn't equate Christ to the Almighty God - the God that Christ himself worships, and who elevated him over Christ's companions ( heb 1:9, Ps 45:7).

Well, you really should ask google because the Trinity name itself or concept is extra-biblical. You owe yourself to research it's origin and how it was adopted, if you really are sincere.

Th fool says in his heart..There is no GOD.

John 10:30-34 is a section of verses where the Pharisees say that Jesus is making Himself out to be God (v. 33).

"I and the Father are one. Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.'"

You can say, "See, even the Jews knew He was claiming to be God.

The Jehovah's Witness (if he's quick enough) will say something like, "Jesus wasn't God, the Jew's only thought that Jesus was claiming to be God."

Then you can say, "Oh, I see. Then let me get this right. You agree with the Pharisees, Jesus wasn't God? Is that correct? The Jehovah's Witness will not like it that he agrees with a Pharisee.

Plurality in the Godhead

The following group of scriptures strongly suggests a plurality within the Godhead. These verses are translated correctly in the Jehovah's Witness Bible so you can encourage them to use it. The NIV is not as literal in its translation in the Amos verses, so I recommend using either the King James or the New American Standard Bible when doing your own.

Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . .'"

They will say that angels are the ones who helped God make man. However, there is no scriptural evidence for that. God is the only creator.

You can also take him to Col. 1:15-17 where it says that Jesus is the creator of all things--including man and Isaiah 44:24 where it says that God created the heavens and the earth all alone.

Gen. 19:24, "Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven."
Is this saying there are two Lords, two Jehovah's?

Amos 4:10-11, 'I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah . . . '"

Jehovah is the one talking and He says, "I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah..." Very interesting.

Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me . . . '" See also, Isaiah 48:16

If you are reading these verses to a Jehovah's Witness he might say something like, "Are you trying to show the Trinity from these verses?" You can then say, "You got the Trinity out of these?"


These verses and others are more fully developed in The Plurality Study, which is a powerful tool for witnessing to the Witnesses.

John 20:25 says, "The other disciples therefore were saying to him, 'We have seen the Lord!' But he said to them, 'Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe'" (NASB).

The Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus was crucified on a cross. They say it happened on a torture stake where His wrists were put together over His head and a single nail was put through both. If that is true, then why does Thomas say "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails..." In the Greek the word used here for "nails", helos, is in the plural. Therefore, there was more than one nail used in the hands of the crucifixion of Christ.


First and Last

How many firsts and lasts are there? In the Bible God is called the first and last and so is Jesus. Since God says there is no God apart from Him and Jesus and God are both addressed by the same title, then that poses a problem for the Jehovah's Witness.

Isaiah 44:6, "This is what the LORD says -Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

Revelation 1:8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1:17-18, "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."
Obviously, Rev. 1:17-18 can only refer to Jesus.

Revelation 22:12-13, "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Here, both the "Alpha and the Omega" and the "First and the Last" are said to be one and the same.

Also, at this point go to Titus 2:13 where it says that Jesus is the one who is coming soon, therefore, Jesus and Jehovah are the same.


The Holy Spirit

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar. They deny that He is alive and that He is a person. This is, of course, because they deny the Trinity. Yet, if the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...

Why is He called God (Acts 5:3-5)?
How is it that He can teach (John 14:26)?
How can He be blasphemed (Matt. 12:31,32)?
How can He be the one who comforts (Acts 9:31)?
How is it possible for Him to speak (Acts 28:25)?
How then can He be resisted (Acts 7:51)?
How can He be grieved (Eph. 4:30)?
How can He help us in our weaknesses (Rom. 8:26)?

If the Holy Spirit is a force, then how is it possible that the above mentioned characteristics are attributed to Him? A force doesn't speak, teach, comfort, etc.

Nor can you blaspheme against a force.

The Resurrection of Jesus
The Jehovah's Witnesses deny the physical resurrection of Jesus. They say that if the sacrifice of Jesus were real then the body had to stay in the grave. They say that He rose in a spirit body. This body was a manifestation similar to the way angels manifested themselves in the Old Testament.

The problem with their view is that the angels were not incarnated. That is they are not born of women. Jesus became a man by birth, therefore, He had a real, physical body, a permanent body. In fact, right now, Jesus is in heaven in the form of a man, though he is a glorified man. Also, He still has two natures, God and man, and will eternally be in this state.


Jesus rose from the dead in the same body he died in. For scriptural proof of this, consider the following verses.

In John 2:19-22 before the crucifixion Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up...He was speaking of the temple of His body." Since Jesus said He would raise the same body He died in, then it must be true.

This last verse is worth focusing on. Remember, Jesus said He would be the one to raise His body. So, it must be true.

John 20:27 - Jesus said to Thomas, "reach your finger...and put it into My side..."
If Jesus were not raised from the dead, then why did He have a physical body?

The Jehovah's Witnesses will reply that it was a temporary body materialized so the apostles would believe that He was raised.

Yet, this is not what Jesus said in John 2:19-22. He said He would raise His very body.

Luke 24:39 - "a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."

Jesus said that He had "flesh and bones" not "flesh and blood." This is important because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50).

The blood of Jesus was the sacrifice for sin (Rom. 5:9). It is the blood that cleanses us of our sin (Heb. 9:22).

The blood of Jesus was shed on the cross and so, most probably, Jesus doesn't have any functioning blood in His body.

Similarities between the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Pharisees:

The Pharisees denied the Trinity and the Deity of Christ, as do the JW's.
The Pharisees denied the physical resurrection of Christ and salvation by grace alone, as do the JW's.

http://carm.org/biblical-response-to-jehovahs-witnesses

TroGunn:

This your explanation and conclusion is befuddling.

So if the President has issues with a Governor, and then dispatches his senior aide to mediate, does that make the aide same (or as powerful) as the President? This your logic nawa.

God is indeed one and his name is Jehovah/Yahweh (Ps 83:18).

Christ is Jehovah's foremost messenger (Malachi 3:1), with additional roles including being the mediator between God and man.

"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God "--1 Cor 11:3

dude if you cant deal with the simple verse i posted,y dont you rest your case.(gal3:20)

The Seventh-day Adventist church is a controversial organization. With its founding prophetess, Ellen G White, they teach that the proper day of worship is Saturday, that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, that ultimately Satan will bear all of our sins, that when a person dies he does not exist anymore, that hell is not eternal, and more. They emphasize dietary laws and what many consider to be a legalism, especially since they teach you can lose your salvation. Some consider it a cult and others do not. Nevertheless, it is an organization that needs to be examined.

What does Seventh Day Adventism teach?

Affirmations

The Bible is inspired and the word of God.
Trinitarian: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one God in three persons.
Jesus is God and has always existed with the Father.
The Holy Spirit is a person.
Jesus' sacrifice was vicarious.
Salvation is by grace, not works.
Jesus rose from the dead physically in his glorified body.
Jesus ascended bodily into heaven.
Baptism is by immersion
The literal, visible return of Jesus.
Jesus will return to set up a millennial kingdom. They are Premillennial.
Literal six day creation, not long periods.

Denials

Denies the doctrine of predestination
Denies baptism by sprinkling
Denies infant baptism.
Denies the immortality of the soul.
Denies the eternality of hell fire.
Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.

Aberrant

Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan.
Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).
On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.
The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.
The wicked are annihilated.
Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh Day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.
There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.

One of the problems with Seventh-day Adventism is Saturday worship. They are certainly free to worship on Saturday. That is not unbiblical. However, the problem is when any Seventh-day Adventist group asserts that the proper day of worship is Saturday, not Sunday. The early church practiced worship on Sunday and the scriptures mention the church gathering on Sunday, the same day Jesus rose:

The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.
Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).

Furthermore, Romans 14:1-12 speaks of our freedom in Christ, particularly our freedom to worship on any day we choose.

CARM cannot recommend any church which would openly deny the biblical doctrine of predestination (in contradiction to Eph. 1:1-11), deny the doctrine of the immortality of the soul (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 25:46), and deny eternal hellfire (in contradiction to Rev. 14:11). Nor can we recommend a church that affirms that Jesus is Michael the Archangel,1 and that the wicked are annihilated (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 25:46).

http://carm.org/religious-movements/seventh-day-adventism/does-carm-recommend-seventh-day-adventist-church

Jesus' Two Natures: God and Man.

Jesus is the most important person who has ever lived since he is the savior, God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man.(frosbel,boomark and others take note) In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God, and was with God, and was made flesh (John 1:1,14). This means that in the single person of Jesus he has both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him," nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.

The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action":
GOD MAN
He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33) He worshiped the Father (John 17)
He was called God (John 20:28.; Heb. 1:8.) He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)
He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1) He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)
He is prayed to (Acts 7:59) He prayed to the Father (John 17)
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15) He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)
He knows all things (John 21:17) He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)
He gives eternal life (John 10:28.) He died (Rom. 5:8.)
All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9) He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)

One of the most common errors that non-Christian cults make is not understanding the two natures of Christ. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses focus on Jesus' humanity and ignore His divinity. They repeatedly quote verses dealing with Jesus as a man and try to set them against Scripture showing that Jesus is also divine. On the other hand, the Christian Scientists do the reverse.

They focus on the Scriptures showing Jesus' divinity to the extent of denying His true humanity.

For a proper understanding of Jesus and, therefore, all other doctrines that relate to Him, His two natures must be properly understood and defined. Jesus is one person with two natures. This is why He would grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) yet know all things (John 21:17). He is the Divine Word that became flesh (John 1:1,14).

The Bible is about Jesus (John 5:39). The prophets prophesied about Him (Acts 10:43). The Father bore witness of Him (John 5:37; 8:18). The Holy Spirit bore witness of Him (John 15:26). The works Jesus did bore witness of Him (John 5:36; 10:25). The multitudes bore witness of Him (John 12:17). And, Jesus bore witness of Himself (John 14:6; 18:6).

Other verses to consider when examining His deity are John 10:30-33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:6-8; and 2 Pet. 1:1.

1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Right now, there is a man in heaven on the throne of God. He is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1). He is our Savior (Titus 2:13). He is our Lord (Rom. 10:9-10). He is Jesus.

i.chuka:

dude if you cant deal with the simple verse i posted,y dont you rest your case.(gal3:20)

The case is over rested sef.

The priests served as mediator between God and men in the past; Christ now serves as a Priest for God (Heb 5:1-10). It doesn't make Christ the Almighty God, same as it didn't make the priests Almighty God.

Message is simple - 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Deut 6:4 (which Jesus quoted in Mark 12:29) - "Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah"

Clear, simple scriptural truth.

TroGunn:

The case is over rested sef.

The priests served as mediator between God and men in the past; Christ now serves as a Priest for God (Heb 5:1-10). It doesn't make Christ the Almighty God, same as it didn't make the priests Almighty God.

Message is simple - 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Deut 6:4 (which Jesus quoted in Mark 12:29) - "Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah"

Clear, simple scriptural truth.

Dude,y are you runing away from that simple verse i posted?whats there in GAL3:20 Thats so problematic for you guys to comprehend? OK,make i help una again..
GAL3: 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
( Now a mediator is not a mediator of one)Paul was talking about the law here,that is,theres GOD'S side,Man side and a mediator.
(but God is one.)BUT in the aspect of the promise/GRACE GOD is ONE!!! theres no mans side or a mediator,BUT if there is GOD is still ONE,meaning HE GOD is GOD,HE is also the MAN,and if theres a mediator HE is GOD.
theres no second or third party in the aspect of GRACE.BUT if there is "GOD is ONE"

i.chuka:

Dude,y are you runing away from that simple verse i posted?whats there in GAL3:20 Thats so problematic for you guys to comprehend? OK,make i help una again..
GAL3: 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
( Now a mediator is not a mediator of one)Paul was talking about the law here,that is,theres GOD'S side,Man side and a mediator.
(but God is one.)

The above seems pretty clear - no issues.

BUT in the aspect of the promise/GRACE GOD is ONE!!! theres no mans side or a mediator,BUT if there is GOD is still ONE,meaning HE GOD is GOD,HE is also the MAN,and if theres a mediator HE is GOD.
theres no second or third party in the aspect of GRACE.BUT if there is "GOD is ONE"

This part is a mystery. I'm sure there's a point you are trying to make, but it's not just apparent.

Gal 3:20 ("Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one" or "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one" ) - is a pretty straightforward verse, same meaning as 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Meaning is simple - Christ is the one mediator between mankind and the one Almighty God (Jehovah); Christ, sent by God, reconciles us with God (2Corinthians 5:18). It doesn't make Christ (the mediator) the same as the Almighty.

JMAN05:

the bold is funny. I just pray they will see. Man-made tradition is really a bad thing especially when it opposes the biible.

Bro, they have seen it but pride would not allow them accept the truth.

Have you seen how bidam is posting scriptures of what things he did not understand. If he is honest, let him answer my question on Godhead.

How can one still hang onto lies like this? Is it a bad things for one to say "i am wrong on this one thing" for the sake of the truth. Its either he say it or no further discussion, cos am now afraid of what he will be teaching me.

TroGunn:

The above seems pretty clear - no issues.



This part is a mystery. I'm sure there's a point you are trying to make, but it's not just apparent.

Gal 3:20 ("Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one" or "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one" ) - is a pretty straightforward verse, same meaning as 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Meaning is simple - Christ is the one mediator between mankind and the one Almighty God (Jehovah); Christ, sent by God, reconciles us with God (2Corinthians 5:18). It doesn't make Christ (the mediator) the same as the Almighty.

TroGunn:

The above seems pretty clear - no issues.



This part is a mystery. I'm sure there's a point you are trying to make, but it's not just apparent.

Gal 3:20 ("Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one" or "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one" ) - is a pretty straightforward verse, same meaning as 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Meaning is simple - Christ is the one mediator between mankind and the one Almighty God (Jehovah); Christ, sent by God, reconciles us with God (2Corinthians 5:18). It doesn't make Christ (the mediator) the same as the Almighty.

lolz...
So na your own understanding of d verse b dis^^^^
Dude,you have to SEE inorder for you to truthfully believe and UNDERSTAND.I will advise you STUDY the book of GALATAINS Chapter3 let the HOLYSPIRIT by your guide.

TroGunn:

The above seems pretty clear - no issues.



This part is a mystery. I'm sure there's a point you are trying to make, but it's not just apparent.

Gal 3:20 ("Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one" or "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one" ) - is a pretty straightforward verse, same meaning as 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Meaning is simple - Christ is the one mediator between mankind and the one Almighty God (Jehovah); Christ, sent by God, reconciles us with God (2Corinthians 5:18). It doesn't make Christ (the mediator) the same as the Almighty.

TroGunn:

The above seems pretty clear - no issues.



This part is a mystery. I'm sure there's a point you are trying to make, but it's not just apparent.

Gal 3:20 ("Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one" or "A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one" ) - is a pretty straightforward verse, same meaning as 1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".

Meaning is simple - Christ is the one mediator between mankind and the one Almighty God (Jehovah); Christ, sent by God, reconciles us with God (2Corinthians 5:18). It doesn't make Christ (the mediator) the same as the Almighty.

lolz...
So na your own understanding of d verse b dis^^^^
Dude,you have to SEE inorder for you to truthfully believe and UNDERSTAND.I will advise you STUDY the book of GALATAINS Chapter3 let the HOLYSPIRIT by your guide.

i.chuka:

lolz...
So na your own understanding of d verse b dis^^^^
Dude,you have to SEE inorder for you to truthfully believe and UNDERSTAND.I will advise you STUDY the book of GALATAINS Chapter3 let the HOLYSPIRIT by your guide.

Did Gal 3:20 say, the mediator is God?

@Bidam
Why have you deserted me?
Next time, don't tell me that i hate the truth along either the devil. That alone made me to sharpen my double edge sword just to expose the false foundation(trinity) you are standing on.

I will let this one pass though i have not all i have on Godhead.