enilove:That is the fact.There is a throne for the Lord Jesus Christ and there is Gods throne
read revelation 3:21" To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne ,even as I also overcame,and am set down with my father in his throne."

OK..Lets start from this verse of scripture. here are other translations:

New International Version (©1984)
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.

English Standard Version (©2001)
The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Firstly you need to understand that the book of revelation is symbolic..no wonder it is called the apocalypse(unveiling or to uncover something that was covered)..it is with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT and comparing scriptures with scriptures that we can know what that scripture is talking about. Now lets compare it with this verse of scripture in Isaiah.

Isa 66:1
66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?


Do you believe the Bible or the theory of man? The theory of man says that God sits on some physical throne. If that is true how then is God omnipresent? God cannot be contained in a box, house, Church or anywhere else. God is everywhere! Look at the verse. what does it say?

How does a God that is everywhere sit down? How does a God that is everywhere have someone sit next to Him? If God is everywhere as the verse indicates then He fills all space! If God is not everywhere then he evidently is millions of miles from here sitting on a chair (throne) in Heaven.

The verse says that Heaven is God's throne. What is Heaven? The Hebrew says: OT:8064 shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim); dual of an unused singular shameh (shaw-meh'); from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The throne of God is not a chair. The throne of God is the sky. This is telling us of the bigness of God, the largeness of God, His omnipresence. God is everywhere. Again, how can God be everywhere and then at the same time need a chair to sit on and be confined to that chair?

Num 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,


If God were a man like the verse says he is not than He would need to sit down.

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


God is a Spirit and He as a omnipresent Spirit does not need to sit. The Sky, atmosphere etc. is His throne. He is everywhere!
[color=#990000][/color]Thrones represents Authority and Dominion..Jesus is the wisdom and the power of God( 1 cor1:24) who became flesh(John 1:14) making Him the express image of the father( col 1 :15) for no man has seen God @ anytime 'T' but God the One and Only, who is at the father's side, has made him known(John 1:14 NIV). So i am not wrong in calling Jesus the almighty God..look @ 1 tim3 :16..it says beyond all question, the myatery of godliness is great..God appeared in a body(Jesus) was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was belived on in the world, was taken up in glory.

The thread looks long to read but let me add my contributions according to the thread title( Using only bible verses).

GOD and JESUS.

"Jesus answered, the foremost is, HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD( mark 12:29)

"I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD WHO BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, OUT OF THE HOUSE OF SLAVERY,YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME" (deut 5:6-7)

"THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE, THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU HAVE SENT" ( John 17:3)

"Jesus answere him,"It is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY" (Luke 4:

Man was never, is never and will never be God because man and God have different qualities, attributes. Prophet Jesus was a man not God.

"GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE, NOR THE SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT"(numbers 23:19) . God is not man but Jesus was a man, so according to the Bible, Jesus is not God.

"But peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men" (Act 5:29)

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the Man Jesus christ".( 1 Timothy 2:5) *Anoda proof Jesus is not God since he is a man*

" Men of israel, listen to these words; Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with Miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him" (ACTS 2:22) - The man Jesus didnt perform miracles by himself but the one and only God performed miracles through him.

"Jesus heard that they had put him out and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the SON OF MAN? He answered," Who is He, Lord that i may believe in him?" Jesus said to him, you have both seen him and he is the one who is talking to You. (John 9:35-37)

ijawkid:

What do you agree with the poster??.........the poster was able to know that Yahweh and Yehshua are 2 distinct persons and that one is greater than the other......do you believe that??......you just dey agree.......

The poster was prudently able to understand that YAHweh is the over all creator and ruler,something you've been running away from.......the poster also. Showed that the son answers a different name from the Father,unlike you who said previously that the Fathers name is JESUS.(Bidam but na wa for you ooo)..... ....the poster and you are not on the same path........

Actually you are the one getting confused. i never said Jesus is different from the FATHER..INFACT I SAID JESUS IS THE SAME WITH THE FATHER..NOT GREATER BUT SAME..JUST CHILL WE THEY GO SOMEWHERE. Its you guys that are saying they are different..just because they bear different names and titles.. in fact Jesus said I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE..HE CAME FROM THE FATHER SO HOW CAN HE BE DIFFERENT?

saksreal:Man was never, is never and will never be God because man and God have different qualities, attributes. Prophet Jesus was a man not God.

"GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE, NOR THE SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT"(numbers 23:19) . God is not man but Jesus was a man, so according to the Bible, Jesus is not God.

i quite agree with you that Jesus was a MAN(last adam)..but do you believe He is alive? BECOS IF YOU DON'T this scripture has debunked your theory that He is not God...remember God is SPIRIT and the bible says:
Hebrews 13:8

New International Version (©1984)
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. now how can someone who was a man be the same yesterday and today and forever? think about it..there are other scriptures about the deity of Christ but meditate on this for now..ok lemme add this also...

Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
New International Version ©1984

Bidam: Actually you are the one getting confused. i never said Jesus is different from the FATHER..INFACT I SAID JESUS IS THE SAME WITH THE FATHER..NOT GREATER BUT SAME..JUST CHILL WE THEY GO SOMEWHERE. Its you guys that are saying they are different..just because they bear different names and titles.. in fact Jesus said I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE..HE CAME FROM THE FATHER SO HOW CAN HE BE DIFFERENT?

We are also one with Jesus...have you forgotten??.....please read john 17:22 to the end.......Jesus is not the same with his Father....why can't you grasp this simple truth..........bidam even with all the scriptures quoted you still cling to the erroneous stance that Jesus is the same with the Father.........don't be dubious o my freind.....e no good @ all...........



Jesus said ;::::: for I am going my way to the Father and the father is greater than I am............

BIDAM na wa for you..............

Contd.

Jesus was tempted by the Devil but God cant be, therefore Jesus is not God.

"Let no one say when he is tempted, "I Am BeING tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away by his own lust". (James 1:13-15)


(THEN JESUS WAS LED UP BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS TO BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL..........(Continue reading (Mathew 4:11)
The above also proves he is not God because God cannot be tempted.

( A ruler questioned him saying, "Good teacher, what shall i do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said to him " WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE" ( luke 18:18-19)
Yet another proof.


Is Jesus the only Son of God according to the bible? (NO)

"Mathew 5:1-9):
When Jesus saw the crowd, he went up on the mountain and after he sat down, his disciples came to him, He opened his mouth and began to teach them saying,

"BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRIT FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN FOR THEY SHALL BE COMFORTED..........



BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SONS OF GOD.) if Jesus would be the only son of God, would he say that the peacemakers are sons of God? NO, because that wld have been a lie. And we know Jesus wldnt lie since lying is a sin according to the bible.

"For all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are sons of God( Romans 8:14)

"For you all are sons of God through faith in christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and satan also came among them: (Job 1:6)

Remember God promised to make prophet David his son( Firstborn) - Psalm 89:20-27



Finally, Say; He is Allah, the one; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begetteth not, bnor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him. (Quran 112:1-4)

Saksreal: Contd.

Jesus was tempted by the Devil but God cant be, therefore Jesus is not God.

"Let no one say when he is tempted, "I Am BeING tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away by his own lust". (James 1:13-15)


(THEN JESUS WAS LED UP BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS TO BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL..........(Continue reading (Mathew 4:11)
The above also proves he is not God because God cannot be tempted.

( A ruler questioned him saying, "Good teacher, what shall i do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said to him " WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE" ( luke 18:18-19)
Yet another proof.


Is Jesus the only Son of God according to the bible? (NO)

"Mathew 5:1-9):
When Jesus saw the crowd, he went up on the mountain and after he sat down, his disciples came to him, He opened his mouth and began to teach them saying,

"BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRIT FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN FOR THEY SHALL BE COMFORTED..........



BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SONS OF GOD.) if Jesus would be the only son of God, would he say that the peacemakers are sons of God? NO, because that wld have been a lie. And we know Jesus wldnt lie since lying is a sin according to the bible.

"For all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are sons of God( Romans 8:14)

"For you all are sons of God through faith in christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and satan also came among them: (Job 1:6)

Remember God promised to make prophet David his son( Firstborn) - Psalm 89:20-27



[s]Finally, Say; He is Allah, the one; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begetteth not, bnor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him. (Quran 112:1-4)[/s]

Na ur fault? if no be trinitarians, wetin go even give you the mind to post the three godesses here: el-Lat, el-Uzza, and Manat
You and the trinitarians are tied up with three gods..........

Saksreal: The thread looks long to read but let me add my contributions according to the thread title( Using only bible verses).

GOD and JESUS.

"Jesus answered, the foremost is, HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD( mark 12:29)

"I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD WHO BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, OUT OF THE HOUSE OF SLAVERY,YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME" (deut 5:6-7)

"THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE, THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU HAVE SENT" ( John 17:3)

"Jesus answere him,"It is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY" (Luke 4:

Man was never, is never and will never be God because man and God have different qualities, attributes. Prophet Jesus was a man not God.

"GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE, NOR THE SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT"(numbers 23:19) . God is not man but Jesus was a man, so according to the Bible, Jesus is not God.

"But peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men" (Act 5:29)

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the Man Jesus christ".( 1 Timothy 2:5) *Anoda proof Jesus is not God since he is a man*

" Men of israel, listen to these words; Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with Miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him" (ACTS 2:22) - The man Jesus didnt perform miracles by himself but the one and only God performed miracles through him.

"Jesus heard that they had put him out and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the SON OF MAN? He answered," Who is He, Lord that i may believe in him?" Jesus said to him, you have both seen him and he is the one who is talking to You. (John 9:35-37)

You try, thank you!

ijawkid:

What do you agree with the poster??.........the poster was able to know that Yahweh and Yehshua are 2 distinct persons and that one is greater than the other......do you believe that??......you just dey agree.......

The poster was prudently able to understand that YAHweh is the over all creator and ruler,something you've been running away from.......the poster also. Showed that the son answers a different name from the Father,unlike you who said previously that the Fathers name is JESUS.(Bidam but na wa for you ooo)..... ....the poster and you are not on the same path........

The Mighty One told Moses in Exodus 6:4 that HE is "YAHWEH". John 5:43 made me understand that the Messiah has come in the Name of HIS FATHER. By implication, Jesus can not be the real name of the SAVIOUR because it has no similarity to the Name of the Mighty One, YAHWEH. The real Name of the Saviour is YAHSHUA which means, YAHWEH saves. I don't understand why most versions of the Bible replace these names with titles that has pagan origins. That's by the way.

this is where i don't agree with the poster concerning JESUS NOT BEING A SAVIOR SCRIPTURES ARE CLEAR ON THAT..
MAT 1: [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
[25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

YAHSHUA no doubt is the begotten Son of YAHWEH and we are made to understand that both are One. The Messiah is never a man. John 1 called Him The Word and that nothing was made without Him. He also proved to us that He's not a man when He said in John 8:58 that He's been existing before Abraham was. He also said that all powers on heaven and on earth Have been given unto Him and that whatever we ask in His Name, He shall do. He also said in John 14:6 that He's the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one goes to the Father except by Him. The Scripture make me understand that the Creator is YAHWEH and Has a Son YAHSHUA who laid down His life for our salvation. Through this, no other Name under the heaven by which we can be saved. You can't claim to know the Father if you don't know the Son. Whether you acknowledge YAHSHUA as One who is more than just a man or not, He's the only Way to salvation. Do you believe that He's the Messiah? Do you believe that He died for your sins, was buried and resurrected? Do you believe that He's the way, the Truth and the Life and the only Way to the Father is through Him? Do you believe that He's got all powers in heaven and on earth? Do you believe that there is no name by which you can be saved except by His? Do you believe that whatsoever you asked in His Name, he does? If your answers are yes and you're still arguing on this topic, i say, why argue on what can not save your soul? But if by chance, your answers to any of my questions are no, then you can't be blamed.

AS FOR THIS PART THE POSTER IS QUITE CORRECT BASED ON HIS UNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURES..but wat he failed to realise is that in John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jesus is the WORD of God made flesh...and Jesus also said in John 6:63

King James Version (KJV)

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
so we now see that the WORD OF GOD IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN JESUS...end of story

Bidam: you are actually getting me wrong plappville...i never said Jesus had no FATHER.

Ok sir, this is good to know He has/had a Father, this means He is not The Father abi?

plappville:

Ok sir, this is good to know He has/had a Father, this means He is not The Father abi?

Lol........bidam would soon tell you Jesus is the Father.....e never tay wey him say the Father name na Jesus too.....

ijawkid:

We are also one with Jesus...have you forgotten??.....please read john 17:22 to the end.......Jesus is not the same with his Father....why can't you grasp this simple truth..........bidam even with all the scriptures quoted you still cling to the erroneous stance that Jesus is the same with the Father.........don't be dubious o my freind.....e no good @ all...........



Jesus said ;::::: for I am going my way to the Father and the father is greater than I am............

BIDAM na wa for you..............

forget about john 17: 22..wat about the assignment i gave you to do on prov 8 and col 1 : 15. na wa for you o

Bidam:

this is where i don't agree with the poster concerning JESUS NOT BEING A SAVIOR SCRIPTURES ARE CLEAR ON THAT..
MAT 1: [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
[25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

The OP is not saying Je§us isn't a savior.....all the OP is saying is that Yahweh(The GOD and FATHER of Jesus) is the Saviors of all saviors..........Yahweh ochestrates the means
By which he saves his people.......and all he does is send his messengers to carry out his saving plan§.............many saviors had existed bÉfore even Jesus came to the earth.........
Moses,Joshua etc.........they were all saviors that Yahweh raised up to lead and redeem his people.............Jesus is the chief of all the appointed saviors of Gods people(Jesus' job was on a much grander scale).......Yahweh appointed and annointed Jesus for the redeeming Job...........Yahweh been the source for the salvation of all makes Him the over all SAVIOR............

Look at a scriptural example of A savior that existed before Jesus' coming to the earth....

Judges 3:15
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Then the people of Israel cried out to the
LORD for help. The LORD sent a savior to
rescue them. It was Ehud, a left-handed man
from the tribe of Benjamin. (Ehud was the son
of Gera.) The people sent him with their tax
payment to King Eglon of Moab.
_____________________________

Look at how Jesus was sent too as a savior for Gods people.....



1 john 4:14
New Living Translation (©2007)
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes
and now testify that the Father sent his Son
to be the Savior of the world.
___________________________

Do you see that Jesus was sent,was appointed to save the world??....Yahweh who does the choosing,sending and annointing is the OGA of saviors......simple!!!!!!.......

plappville:

Ok sir, this is good to know He has/had a Father, this means He is not The Father abi?

He is the same with the father..LOOK @ I Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Now, from the Strong's Concordance, let's take a look at the Greek meaning of "IMMORTAL":

IMMORTAL: incorruptible, uncorruptible, uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable, immortal of the risen dead.

Now with the help of the American Heritage Dictionary, let's look into the meanings of the above words:

1. IMMORTAL: Not subject to death. 2. Never to be forgotten; everlasting.

2. Incorruptible: Incapable of being morally corrupted. 2. Not subject to corruption or decay.

3. Imperishable: Not perishable.

4. Decay: To decline in health or vigor; waste away; to decline from a state of normality, excellence, or prosperity; deteriorate; to cause to decay

We see here that Jesus, the very One who is IMMORTAL, was "incapable" of moral corruption. He was not subject to decay, nor was He ever subject to death, not then, not now, not ever! Yes, we know He died on the Cross, and that through His resurrection power, all who would believe in, and receive Him, would have life eternal, yet death itself could not hold Him. He rose from the dead. He lives forevER MORE @Plappville and ijawkid you can see that Jesus is actually the same with the father cos

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.(Heb 13:8 KJV)!



And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, [now] no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption (Acts 13:35-37 KJV).






re not. Let's take a look at a this very promise:

And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, [now] no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption (Acts 13:35-37 KJV).

And this next set of scripture verses clearly tells us, that because Jesus took on "incorruption", we too, though we ourselves are of a corruptible nature, put on His "incorruption", that we might forever live in His presence:

But I tell you this, brethren, flesh and blood cannot [become partakers of eternal salvation and] inherit or share in the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable (that which is decaying) inherit or share in the imperishable (the immortal). Take notice! I tell you a mystery (a secret truth, an event decreed by the hidden purpose or counsel of God). We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed (transformed) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the [sound of the] last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [in Christ] will be raised imperishable (free and immune from decay), and we shall be changed (transformed). For this perishable [part of us] must put on the imperishable [nature], and this mortal [part of us, this nature that is capable of dying] must put on immortality (freedom from death). And when this perishable puts on the imperishable and this that was capable of dying puts on freedom from death, then shall be fulfilled the Scripture that says, Death is swallowed up (utterly vanquished forever) in and unto victory. [Isa. 25:8.] O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting? [Hos. 13:14.] Now sin is the sting of death, and sin exercises its power [upon the soul] through [the abuse of] the Law. But thanks be to God, Who gives us the victory [making us conquerors] through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be firm (steadfast), immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord [always being superior, excelling, doing more than enough in the service of the Lord], knowing and being continually aware that your labor in the Lord is not futile [it is never wasted or to no purpose]. (1 Cor 15:50-58, Amplified Bible)

ijawkid :the OP is saying is that Yahweh(The GOD and FATHER of Jesus) is the[b] Saviors of all saviors[/b]....

...... wait how many saviors is your yahweh..i thought HE is only one na...ok look at this scripture who is saviors referring to ?
Saviors shall go up to Mount Zion to rule Mount Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORD’s.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)

Bidam :He is the same with the father..

Bidam: you are actually getting me wrong plappville...i never said Jesus had no FATHER.

IF HE HAS A FATHER THEN HOW CAN HE FATHER HIMSELF. ARE YOU YOUR FATHER?

YOUR FATHER AND YOU ARE TWO PERSONS . SO DOES JESUS AND HIS FATHER NO'?

LOOK @ I Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Is this verse for Jesus?

plappville:



IF HE HAS A FATHER THEN HOW CAN HE FATHER HIMSELF. ARE YOU YOUR FATHER?

YOUR FATHER AND YOU ARE TWO PERSONS . SO DOES JESUS AND HIS FATHER NO'?



Is this verse for Jesus?

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The verse in John says that God gave His son but in 1 John it says that God gave himself. Which is it? Who came to die? Did God die? Did His son die?

When we understand that God is a Spirit and that He came in flesh helps us understand the verses. God did not die. The Son of God died. The manifestation of God died. The flesh of God died. There is a difference between the flesh and spirit. God has a Spirit nature and a flesh nature. Everyone that is born again also has a Spirit nature and was born with a human nature.

God is a Spirit but added a human nature when he came in flesh. Not another person but simply a revealing of God in human flesh!

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

@ijawkid:
1 john 4:14
New Living Translation (©2007)
Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes
and now testify that the Father sent his Son
to be the Savior of the world.
___________________________

Do you see that Jesus was sent,was appointed to save the world??....Yahweh who does the choosing,sending and annointing is the OGA of saviors......simple!!!!!!....

. you don't just take a particular verse and read it to understand the whole bible..the bible is like a puzzle..you have to connect scriptures with scriptures to grasp the full import of what God is saying..Jesus is the wisdom and the power of God( I COR 1:15) WHO became flesh( john 1 :14) making him the express image of the Father(COL 1:15)..AN IMAGE IS A REPRODUCTION OF THE FORM OF A PERSON OR OBJECT, ESPECIALLY A SCULPTURED LIKENESS(free online dictionary,thesaurus).For no man has seen God at anytime 'T'but God the One and Only, Who is at the Father's side, has made him known( john 1 :14 NIV).So i am not wrong in calling Jesus the Almighty God(Rev 1:8)..look @ 1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

God is one in number. He said it.

Bidam: . you don't just take a particular verse and read it to understand the whole bible..the bible is like a puzzle..you have to connect scriptures with scriptures to grasp the full import of what God is saying..Jesus is the wisdom and the power of God( I COR 1:15) WHO became flesh( john 1 :14) making him the express image of the Father(COL 1:15)..AN IMAGE IS A REPRODUCTION OF THE FORM OF A PERSON OR OBJECT, ESPECIALLY A SCULPTURED LIKENESS(free online dictionary,thesaurus).For no man has seen God at anytime 'T'but God the One and Only, Who is at the Father's side, has made him known( john 1 :14 NIV).So i am not wrong in calling Jesus the Almighty God(Rev 1:8)..look @ 1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

God is one in number. He said it.

I can't belÍeve you would say Jesus being the image of God means he is then the almighty GOD.....Bidam has it gotten to that??.......uh??.........you forgot so fast that we and Jesus are all images of GOD.....you forgotten??.........in other words you are saying you and me are the almighty GOD........right??.............you rightly defined who or what an IMAGE is,but went further to contradict yourself........is the image of something the same as the original??..................we are all images of God,makes us not the almighty GOD or the same as the almighty GOD...........Jesus being the image of GOd simply shows he was created by GOD.....simple and short.............means Jesus isn't the original but a photocopy just like we all are..................and you are still quoting 1 timothy 3:16 from the KJV.....bidam do you really wanna learn at all or you just want to stubbornly hold on to a doctrine that has been debunked by even yourself............??...........this is you contradicting and debunking yourself...
You said::::
1.......No man has seen GOD,but his only begotten son hath explained Him.......then you go around debunking and contradicting yourself by saying,the Jesus that was sent to explain who GOD is ,is now the GOD who it is impossible for any man to see..........have you forgotten that no man can see GOD and live.....??.......Jesus is not the almighty GOD,but the servant and son of GOD..........

2.....You agreed GOD cannot and has never died(it is impossible for GOD to die)......but you go back to contradict yourself by quoting the spuriously rendered 1 timothy 3:16 from the KJV to desperately prove that the almighty GOD was seen and that he died.....what an utter blasphemy!!!!!!...............your insincerity has landed you to the point where God has turned to some destructible element........

3.....You openly said and agreed Jesus is the image of GOD(just like us ooooo).....but debunked and contradicted yourself by saying being the image of GOD means been equal with GOD and the same with GOD.........how can the image of something be the same or equal to the original??..............bidam you are making me shake my head for you.............
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Even after opening scriptures to clearly show that right there in the heavens Jesus and his GOD are 2 seperate persons and that the Father is the GOD of Jesus,you still insist to blind fold your eyes just to hold on to modalism................even after prÓving that Jesus is Gods sÉrvant you still choose to believe he is equal with GOD.........

After quoting 1 john 4:14 you still insist it was GOD himself who came to die......smh!!!!........

You are absolutely disingenious.........!!!!!!!..........and not a focusÉd bible student.........

Before I leave you I wÓuld like to remind you that Jesus does not even know when he is coming back but only his GOD and Father knows..........................you can try to figure out why ..............if you try to lie about why Jesus does not know when he is coming back but only GOD knows and you really wanna know and uphold truths go and read revelation 1:1...................

Bidam: John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The verse in John says that God gave His son but in 1 John it says that God gave himself. Which is it? Who came to die? Did God die? Did His son die?

When we understand that God is a Spirit and that He came in flesh helps us understand the verses. God did not die. The Son of God died. The manifestation of God died. The flesh of God died. There is a difference between the flesh and spirit. God has a Spirit nature and a flesh nature. Everyone that is born again also has a Spirit nature and was born with a human nature.

God is a Spirit but added a human nature when he came in flesh. Not another person but simply a revealing of God in human flesh!

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

Bidam I'm done with you......your whole theology is based on verses that have been exposed to be a shenanigan.........you are not a sincere fellow..........I can't believe that after much discusion you are still quoting 1 john 3:16 and also 1 timothy 3;16........smh!!!!!...............the rendering of those verses are false by the KJV......do your research and stop this charade.............

Do you know that the expression ""of GOD"" was never found in the original texts of 1 john 3:16??.....it was an addition by the KJV renderers in order for there false claim that it was GOD himself who came to die to stand..........and persons like bidam have tied there whole life to that LIE................

Once more I would quote from more sincere renderers.......oya read again ooo......

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New International Version (©1984)
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ
laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay
down our lives for our brothers.
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New Living Translation (©2007)
We know what real love is because Jesus gave
up his life for us. So we also ought to give up
our lives for our brothers and sisters.
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English Standard Version (©2001)
By this we know love, that he laid down his life
for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for
the brothers.
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
We know love by this, that He laid down His
life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives
for the brethren.
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Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
This is how we have come to know love: He laid
down His life for us. We should also lay down
our lives for our brothers.

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International Standard Version (©2012)
This is how we have come to know love: the
Messiah[/b]gave his life for us. We, too, ought to
give our lives for our brothers.
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GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We understand what love is when we realize
that [b]Christ gave his life for us. That means we
must give our lives for other believers.
_____________________________

Weymouth New Testament
We know what love is--through Christ's having
laid down His life on our behalf; and in the
same way we ought to lay down our lives for
our brother men.
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Good News Translation (GNT)
16 This is how we know what love is: Christ
gave his life for us. We too, then, ought to give
our lives for others!
_____________________________

1 John 3:16
Expanded Bible (EXB)
16 This is how we know what real love is:
·Jesus [L he] ·gave [laid down] his life for us
[John 15:13]. So we should ·give [lay down] our
lives for our brothers and sisters [C fellow
believers; John 15:12].

@Ijawkid i don read your storybook and i don here you..but one thing is clear we might disagree on doctrinal issue..but the central focus of the bible is Jesus Christ Our Lord and Personal savior just like a poster mentioned Yeshua the messiah..If u don't agree and believe He is your Lord and Savior..there is no basis arguing with you in the first place.

Bidam: @Ijawkid i don read your storybook and i don here you..but one thing is clear we might disagree on doctrinal issue..but the central focus of the bible is Jesus Christ Our Lord and Personal savior just like a poster mentioned Yeshua the messiah..If u don't agree and believe He is your Lord and Savior..there is no basis arguing with you in the first place.

I agree Jesus is the messiah,and the savior Yahweh sent to redeem mankind..........and I agree Jesus is my Lord.......never have I argued that........what I will not stand is when you falsely claim Jesus is the same as his Father who sent him(modalism)........what I won't stand is when you say Jesus is equal to his GOD and Father(trinity).................

This your assumption can lead people away from Christianity.It can make people to think that there is no God .You following the doctrine of the devil and you have to be very very careful,so that on the day of judgement Jesus will not tell you that you are on your own.
You tend to abandon written and direct word of God and you are following what some Pastors have told you in the past.
God is a spirit and the angels are spirit beings,the devil is a spirit too.By spirit does not mean they do not have physical bodies.Their physical bodies are heavenly bodies.Every human beign is a spirit inside earthly body.
The fact that God is a spirit does not mean that He does not have a throne.If you belief Jesus Christ word in Rev.1:8 ,why cant you believe what he said about his throne and also that he has God,also that his God has throne .There too many countless number of places where Jesus and apostles tells of Father in heaven.You have also read that God gave Jesus christ name that is above all name.
We have explained also to you that God,Almighty,Alpha,Omega,Lord etc are titles.
When Jesus christ in Rev 1:11 said he is the Alpha and Omega,John turned to look at who was talking and said in verse 13 that the one looks like the SON OF MAN. Matt 11:19,12:8 etc Jesus called himself son man man.God the father of Jesus never came in the human flesh and can never be called son of man as John refers here.
The same Jesus said in chapter 3 verse 14 that he is the bigining of the creation of God,and verse 11 Jesus also said "the temple of my "verse 12 also, Jesus said "I will write upon him the name of my God. Jesus is telling that ,despite his title Alpha and Omega ,he has God the father and that Jesus is the first of Gods creation.This you can also see in proverb 8:22 which reads"The lord possessed me in the biginning of his way,before his works of old.23, "I was set up from everlasting ,from the biginning or ever the earth was.

What does it mean to possess ( verse 22), it means to controll,to influence,to have something,to have and hold as property,to seize and take control of.
Jesus said as above he belongs to God Almighty.If you read futher you will see it written.
Rev 1:verse 18 where Jesus called himself "the first and the last ,he said AM HE THAT LIVETH,AND WAS DEAD,AND BEHOLD AM,I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.
Note the word "was dead".God the father did not die at any time ,only Jesus christ died for our sins. For God so love the world that He gave His........,John 3:16.
It is not written "that he gave himself".
Rev Chapter 4:2 "And immediately I was in d spirit:and behold ,a throne was set in heaven,and one sat on the throne(but you said God does not have a throne) verse 4 reads "And round about d throne were four and twenty seats :and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting ,clothed in white raiment.............in verse 8 it reads Holy holy holy Lord God Almighty ,which was ,and is,and is to come(not that was dead).
Then in Chapter 5 :1 And I saw in the rught hand of him that sat on the throne a book : written within.............in Verse 5 says " weep not :behold ,the lion of the tribe of Judah the root of David ,hath prevailed to open the book.
Jesus is from the root of David .The blind barthemeus cried " Jesus son of David help me".
Because he came and died for us because of our sins :Jesus has 3 stages in his life
1-when God first created him even b4 God created anything else.
2-When Adam and eve sinned and God, out, of His love for us ,Jesus was sent down to come and die for our sin.( not God the Father )
3- Now in heaven to live for evermore.
These 3 stages are with biblical references which have been given earlier.
Instead of God the father to come down and die for us He would instead destroy mankind and start with newly created set of people.But that would mean that God failed and satan would have achieved his aim.
There is no reconcilliation for the angels and the devil.God chose to forgive us the sins Adam and Eve commited because they were deceived.But God did not make a way of reconcilliation for the angels because they chose to sin willingly.So the devil and the falling angels who are now demons would do everything to take as many people as willingly decide to follow other religion other than acceoting the Lord Jesus Christ and repent.
God wanted ti destroy the world before.He also wanted to destroy the Israelites before.And has said there is a set day for the end of the world.
God the father can never die ,so please stop this satanic message ,read your bible and stop this your satanic theory .Jesus christ told us he has a father,so believe him.
Some people are going to hell by accepting that God does not exist and some have been directed by satan in a wrong direction or religion,worshipping idol in a house thinking they are serving God.
we will give account of whatever thing we write,say or behave that leads others astray.

Stay blessed.

enilove: Ijawkid -This you assumption can lead people away from Christianity.It can make people to think that there is no God .You following the doctrine of the devil and you have to be very very careful,so that on the day of judgement Jesus will not tell you that you are on your own.
You tend to abandon written and direct word of God and you are following what some Pastors have told you in the past.
God is a spirit and the angels are spirit beings,the devil is a spirit too.By spirit does not mean they do not have physical bodies.Their physical bodies are heavenly bodies.Every human beign is a spirit inside earthly body.
The fact that God is a spirit does not mean that He does not have a throne.If you belief Jesus Christ word in Rev.1:8 ,why cant you believe what he said about his throne and also that he has God,also that his God has throne .There too many countless number of places where Jesus and apostles tells of Father in heaven.You have also read that God gave Jesus christ name that is above all name.
We have explained also to you that God,Almighty,Alpha,Omega,Lord etc are titles.
When Jesus christ in Rev 1:11 said he is the Alpha and Omega,John turned to look at who was talking and said in verse 13 that the one looks like the SON OF MAN. Matt 11:19,12:8 etc Jesus called himself son man man.God the father of Jesus never came in the human flesh and can never be called son of man as John refers here.
The same Jesus said in chapter 3 verse 14 that he is the bigining of the creation of God,and verse 11 Jesus also said "the temple of my "verse 12 also, Jesus said "I will write upon him the name of my God. Jesus is telling that ,despite his title Alpha and Omega ,he has God the father and that Jesus is the first of Gods creation.This you can also see in proverb 8:22 which reads"The lord possessed me in the biginning of his way,before his works of old.23, "I was set up from everlasting ,from the biginning or ever the earth was.

What does it mean to possess ( verse 22), it means to controll,to influence,to have something,to have and hold as property,to seize and take control of.
Jesus said as above he belongs to God Almighty.If you read futher you will see it written.
Rev 1:verse 18 where Jesus called himself "the first and the last ,he said AM HE THAT LIVETH,AND WAS DEAD,AND BEHOLD AM,I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.
Note the word "was dead".God the father did not die at any time ,only Jesus christ died for our sins. For God so love the world that He gave His........,John 3:16.
It is not written "that he gave himself".
Rev Chapter 4:2 "And immediately I was in d spirit:and behold ,a throne was set in heaven,and one sat on the throne(but you said God does not have a throne) verse 4 reads "And round about d throne were four and twenty seats :and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting ,clothed in white raiment.............in verse 8 it reads Holy holy holy Lord God Almighty ,which was ,and is,and is to come(not that was dead).
Then in Chapter 5 :1 And I saw in the rught hand of him that sat on the throne a book : written within.............in Verse 5 says " weep not :behold ,the lion of the tribe of Judah the root of David ,hath prevailed to open the book.
Jesus is from the root of David .The blind barthemeus cried " Jesus son of David help me".
Because he came and died for us because of our sins :Jesus has 3 stages in his life
1-when God first created him even b4 God created anything else.
2-When Adam and eve sinned and God, out, of His love for us ,Jesus was sent down to come and die for our sin.( not God the Father )
3- Now in heaven to live for evermore.
These 3 stages are with biblical references which have been given earlier.
Instead of God the father to come down and die for us He would instead destroy mankind and start with newly created set of people.But that would mean that God failed and satan would have achieved his aim.
There is no reconcilliation for the angels and the devil.God chose to forgive us the sins Adam and Eve commited because they were deceived.But God did not make a way of reconcilliation for the angels because they chose to sin willingly.So the devil and the falling angels who are now demons would do everything to take as many people as willingly decide to follow other religion other than acceoting the Lord Jesus Christ and repent.
God wanted ti destroy the world before.He also wanted to destroy the Israelites before.And has said there is a set day for the end of the world.
God the father can never die ,so please stop this satanic message ,read your bible and stop this your satanic theory .Jesus christ told us he has a father,so believe him.
Some people are going to hell by accepting that God does not exist and some have been directed by satan in a wrong direction or religion,worshipping idol in a house thinking they are serving God.
we will give account of whatever thing we write,say or behave that leads others astray.

Stay blessed.

Let me ask you same question I asked your group.
What's your undxerstanding of the theme/tittle the FATHER and the SON?

i.chuka:

Let me ask you same questio
n I asked your group.
What's your undxerstanding of the theme/tittle the FATHER and the SON?

Father means
- A man who has begotten a child
- One that originates
- One of the leading men
Son means:
- A descendant
- A male adopted child
- A person closely related with.

Bidam: . you don't just take a particular verse and read it to understand the whole bible..the bible is like a puzzle..you have to connect scriptures with scriptures to grasp the full import of what God is saying..Jesus is the wisdom and the power of God( I COR 1:15) WHO became flesh( john 1 :14) making him the express image of the Father(COL 1:15)..AN IMAGE IS A REPRODUCTION OF THE FORM OF A PERSON OR OBJECT, ESPECIALLY A SCULPTURED LIKENESS(free online dictionary,thesaurus).For no man has seen God at anytime 'T'but God the One and Only, Who is at the Father's side, has made him known( john 1 :14 NIV).So i am not wrong in calling Jesus the Almighty God(Rev 1:8)..look @ 1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[size=16pt]The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die![/size]

God is one in number. He said it.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
How does this fits this prophecy? So God became like Moses? and he became an Israelite?

enilove: Ijawkid -This you assumption can lead people away from Christianity.It can make people to think that there is no God .You following the doctrine of the devil and you have to be very very careful,so that on the day of judgement Jesus will not tell you that you are on your own.
You tend to abandon written and direct word of God and you are following what some Pastors have told you in the past.
God is a spirit and the angels are spirit beings,the devil is a spirit too.By spirit does not mean they do not have physical bodies.Their physical bodies are heavenly bodies.Every human beign is a spirit inside earthly body.
The fact that God is a spirit does not mean that He does not have a throne.If you belief Jesus Christ word in Rev.1:8 ,why cant you believe what he said about his throne and also that he has God,also that his God has throne .There too many countless number of places where Jesus and apostles tells of Father in heaven.You have also read that God gave Jesus christ name that is above all name.
We have explained also to you that God,Almighty,Alpha,Omega,Lord etc are titles.
When Jesus christ in Rev 1:11 said he is the Alpha and Omega,John turned to look at who was talking and said in verse 13 that the one looks like the SON OF MAN. Matt 11:19,12:8 etc Jesus called himself son man man.God the father of Jesus never came in the human flesh and can never be called son of man as John refers here.
The same Jesus said in chapter 3 verse 14 that he is the bigining of the creation of God,and verse 11 Jesus also said "the temple of my "verse 12 also, Jesus said "I will write upon him the name of my God. Jesus is telling that ,despite his title Alpha and Omega ,he has God the father and that Jesus is the first of Gods creation.This you can also see in proverb 8:22 which reads"The lord possessed me in the biginning of his way,before his works of old.23, "I was set up from everlasting ,from the biginning or ever the earth was.

What does it mean to possess ( verse 22), it means to controll,to influence,to have something,to have and hold as property,to seize and take control of.
Jesus said as above he belongs to God Almighty.If you read futher you will see it written.
Rev 1:verse 18 where Jesus called himself "the first and the last ,he said AM HE THAT LIVETH,AND WAS DEAD,AND BEHOLD AM,I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.
Note the word "was dead".God the father did not die at any time ,only Jesus christ died for our sins. For God so love the world that He gave His........,John 3:16.
It is not written "that he gave himself".
Rev Chapter 4:2 "And immediately I was in d spirit:and behold ,a throne was set in heaven,and one sat on the throne(but you said God does not have a throne) verse 4 reads "And round about d throne were four and twenty seats :and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting ,clothed in white raiment.............in verse 8 it reads Holy holy holy Lord God Almighty ,which was ,and is,and is to come(not that was dead).
Then in Chapter 5 :1 And I saw in the rught hand of him that sat on the throne a book : written within.............in Verse 5 says " weep not :behold ,the lion of the tribe of Judah the root of David ,hath prevailed to open the book.
Jesus is from the root of David .The blind barthemeus cried " Jesus son of David help me".
Because he came and died for us because of our sins :Jesus has 3 stages in his life
1-when God first created him even b4 God created anything else.
2-When Adam and eve sinned and God, out, of His love for us ,Jesus was sent down to come and die for our sin.( not God the Father )
3- Now in heaven to live for evermore.
These 3 stages are with biblical references which have been given earlier.
Instead of God the father to come down and die for us He would instead destroy mankind and start with newly created set of people.But that would mean that God failed and satan would have achieved his aim.
There is no reconcilliation for the angels and the devil.God chose to forgive us the sins Adam and Eve commited because they were deceived.But God did not make a way of reconcilliation for the angels because they chose to sin willingly.So the devil and the falling angels who are now demons would do everything to take as many people as willingly decide to follow other religion other than acceoting the Lord Jesus Christ and repent.
God wanted ti destroy the world before.He also wanted to destroy the Israelites before.And has said there is a set day for the end of the world.
God the father can never die ,so please stop this satanic message ,read your bible and stop this your satanic theory .Jesus christ told us he has a father,so believe him.
Some people are going to hell by accepting that God does not exist and some have been directed by satan in a wrong direction or religion,worshipping idol in a house thinking they are serving God.
we will give account of whatever thing we write,say or behave that leads others astray.

Stay blessed.

Eni are you mistaking me for BIDAM........??..........na BIDAm you suppose arrest not me o....we are on the same path.......

plappville:

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
How does this fits this prophecy? So God became like Moses? and he became an Israelite?

In John 8:24, Jesus literally said, "you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that, I AM."

1. Note the KJV, prints the "he" in italics, which indicates that it is a word supplied to give meaning. In this case it waters down the statement. Jesus said He was the great "I AM."

2. Exodus 3:14. Moses asks God who he should say has sent him to the Hebrews in bondage in Egypt. God repies, tell them "I AM" sent you.

3. "I AM" means "I am the One who is", or YAHWEH, which means Jehovah God. Further it means, the one who is active and self-existent. The word is used 6823 times in the Old Testament. It also is associated with God's holiness (Lev. 11:44-45), His hatred of sin (Gen. 6:3-7), and His gracious provision of redemption(Isa. 53:1,5,6,10).

4. There can be no doubt, Jesus said He was God.

Bidam: In John 8:24, Jesus literally said, "you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that, I AM."

1. Note the KJV, prints the "he" in italics, which indicates that it is a word supplied to give meaning. In this case it waters down the statement. Jesus said He was the great "I AM."

2. Exodus 3:14. Moses asks God who he should say has sent him to the Hebrews in bondage in Egypt. God repies, tell them "I AM" sent you.

3. "I AM" means "I am the One who is", or YAHWEH, which means Jehovah God. Further it means, the one who is active and self-existent. The word is used 6823 times in the Old Testament. It also is associated with God's holiness (Lev. 11:44-45), His hatred of sin (Gen. 6:3-7), and His gracious provision of redemption(Isa. 53:1,5,6,10).

4. There can be no doubt, Jesus said He was God.

[quote author=Bidam]In John 8:24, Jesus literally said, "you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that, I AM."

So I AM god , no ?

Because I AM

1. Note the KJV, prints the "he" in italics, which indicates that it is a word supplied to give meaning. In this case it waters down the statement. Jesus said He was the great "I AM."

I am HE , referring to I AM the Messiah.

Oh , let's hear from Peter.

"Then he asked them, "But who do you say I am?" Peter replied, "You are the Messiah." - Mark 8:29

Can you kindly tell me why Peter never called JESUS GOD , instead he called him MESSIAH ?

Can you also tell me why the demons called JESUS , Son of the most high and not GOD, hmm.

Jesus is simply saying, I AM the Messiah you have been waiting for.

2. Exodus 3:14. Moses asks God who he should say has sent him to the Hebrews in bondage in Egypt. God repies, tell them "I AM" sent you.

I AM , here connoting YAHWEH.


Stop confusing yourself, Pal.

Bidam: In John 8:24, Jesus literally said, "you will die in your sins, if you do not believe that, I AM."

1. Note the KJV, prints the "he" in italics, which indicates that it is a word supplied to give meaning. In this case it waters down the statement. Jesus said He was the great "I AM."

2. Exodus 3:14. Moses asks God who he should say has sent him to the Hebrews in bondage in Egypt. God repies, tell them "I AM" sent you.

3. "I AM" means "I am the One who is", or YAHWEH, which means Jehovah God. Further it means, the one who is active and self-existent. The word is used 6823 times in the Old Testament. It also is associated with God's holiness (Lev. 11:44-45), His hatred of sin (Gen.
6:3-7), and His gracious provision of redemption(Isa. 53:1,5,6,10).

4. There can be no doubt, Jesus said He was God.

Check the other thread... Christ the head. @frosbel has debunked this alread. I wonder why you should use I AM as to validate Jesus being God..no connection at all. I am Plappville, i am Bidam, I am etc etc.. So anyone that say i am. Is authomatically Yahweh?? Please i will reqoute myself.

frosbel:

Na waooh ooo, you dey fast ooo...

Bidam: The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

plappville:

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
How does this fits this prophecy? So God became like
Moses? and he became an Israelite?

Why did God say this and decided to Come and die by
himself, when He had already told the people that He God cannot be seen and cannot Die?does this make Him a liar? If God came by himself then this prophecy is not fulfilled.