enilove: As christians there are somethings we need to undetstand so that the unbelievers will not continue in their idol worshipping ,because of our own lack of understanding of the bible and refusal to read it and allow the spirit of God to minister unto us.Jesus said we are the light of the world.meaning we are to show others the way.
In the book of Proverb chapter 8:23-36 reads
"I was set up from evarlasting ,from biginning,or ever the earth was.When there were no depths,when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled,b4 the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth,nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens,I was there :when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:when he established the clouds above :when he strenghened the fountains of the deep:................verse 30 "Then I was by him,as one brought up with him:and I was daily his delight,rejoicing always b4 him:verse 34 -35 says " for whoso findeth me findeth life,but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul and they all that hate me love death.
From the above scripture you can bring out words like I WAS BROUGHT FORTH ,I WAS SET UP when God the father was creating the universe.
Jesus Christ is different from God Almighty .
The words Almighty God is a title not a name .
God is a title as you can see where God told the Israelites"thou shall worship no other gods beside me"
Almighty on the other hand means .... having relatively unlimited power.
In Philipians 2:6 It tells us that Jesus christ has the form of God.A two year old lion is a lion,because its form is that of a lion.
Jesus Christ is God ,but remember that God is title ,that was why God Almighty gave His name to Moses.He did not say "My name is God"Jesus Christ too has a name,his was not named God. You can see that the name God gave to Moses is different from Jesus's name.
They are two different parsonalities but united in purpose or oneness in purpose ,principles and everyother thing.
A man and his wife are one.but two people if you remove marriage.
Jesus christ said I and my father are one.When he was baptised the voice came from heaven saying "this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased"
Jesus christ kept saying "my father in heaven".when he was crucified he told the thief on his right hand that he would be with his father in heaven.More than 50 times in the bible the Lord Jesus Christ said MY FATHER.
Before raising up Lazarus from the dead , he prayed to his father in heaven.You can not tell me that he was praying to himself .

Philipians2:9 says "God has highly exalted Jesus Christ and given him a name that is above all names"
This means God the father is existing and different from Jesus His son.
Gen.41:44 Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh,without thee shall no man lift up his hands or foot in the land of Egypt.verse 55 says when there was famine in the land the people cried to Pharoah for bread,which Pharaoh gave unto them by telling them to go and meet Joseph.Likewise we ask God for all thing through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You are correct in saying that the book of revelation called Jesus Almighty God and also the Alpha and the Omega. Infact it was Jesus christ himself that gave that testimony ,and we know Jesus can not lie or does not lie.Jesus is actually Alpha and Omega.But that is a title.And Jesus did not say I am the only Alpha and Omega.Joseph was given all the power in Egypt but not above Pharaoh.
When you read further that book of revelation chpter1:18 Jesus christ says "I am he that liveth and was dead and behold ,I am alive for evermore.
From here Jesus Christ gave messages to John for the 7 churches from Chapter 1to chapter 3 .In chapter 3:12 Jesus said he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and will write upon him the name of my God.This means Jesus has a God.verse 14 Jesus Christ says that he is the beginning of the creation of God.Likewise revelation 3:21 Jesus testifies that "I am set down with my father on the throne.
The above was the complete or conclusion of message given by Jesus to John.Confirming that God is on the throne.

Joseph was ruling the people of Egypt but not ruling Pharaoh that gave him the authority and one of his chariots to ride on. He also said every Egyptian must bow their knee to Joseph.Likewise in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ every knee must bow.But not the knee of his Father Almighty God.
It is written for God so love the world that he gave His only begotten son ,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but ,but have everlasting life.This is in that proverb also and in Revelation 5:1-9.showing why the lord Jesus christ came ,when he took the book from the hand of Almighty God.

When you quote the bible in a middle way you may not fully understand it until you read it to the end and allow the spirit of God to minister to you.

The children of the bond woman who are being lead by the devil in perpetrating evil arround the world now, may continue if we do not read our bible and pray for them.When we are ask one or two questions and you do not know or give you own opinion as the answer because you did not read the bible for understanding.How would they be convinced .

The devil is not foolish ,he will set up augument among brothers so as to have his way.His doing so now succesfully among christians.
Some find it hard to believe that God have a son,because they are trying to bring God to their level , thinking there must be a wife b4 one can have a child.
How much more to say he is still the Almighty God the father by virtue or trait of mere title and neglecting all the written fact and given meaning to something you did not fully understand.
In the biginning was the word ,and the word was with God,and the word was God. The word was with God, means, two personalities with the title God.
The same was in the biginning with God.Confirming proverb 8:23 to the end.

Please let me know where am wrong with bible references.

Thank you and Stay blessed.

Bidam: funny guy..you don dey compare your friends with JESUS ABI?

Bidam: @ijawkid [/b]shey you see wetin [b]enilove talk abi
later you go talk say na lie i dey lie..see dat your head like niger delta.lol

enilove: As christians there are somethings we need to undetstand so that the unbelievers will not continue in their idol worshipping ,because of our own lack of understanding of the bible and refusal to read it and allow the spirit of God to minister unto us.Jesus said we are the light of the world.meaning we are to show others the way.
In the book of Proverb chapter 8:23-36 reads
"I was set up from evarlasting ,from biginning,or ever the earth was.When there were no depths,when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled,b4 the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth,nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens,I was there :when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:when he established the clouds above :when he strenghened the fountains of the deep:................verse 30 "Then I was by him,as one brought up with him:and I was daily his delight,rejoicing always b4 him:verse 34 -35 says " for whoso findeth me findeth life,but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul and they all that hate me love death.
From the above scripture you can bring out words like I WAS BROUGHT FORTH ,I WAS SET UP when God the father was creating the universe.
Jesus Christ is different from God Almighty .
The words Almighty God is a title not a name .
God is a title as you can see where God told the Israelites"thou shall worship no other gods beside me"
Almighty on the other hand means .... having relatively unlimited power.
In Philipians 2:6 It tells us that Jesus christ has the form of God.A two year old lion is a lion,because its form is that of a lion.
Jesus Christ is God ,but remember that God is title ,that was why God Almighty gave His name to Moses.He did not say "My name is God"Jesus Christ too has a name,his was not named God. You can see that the name God gave to Moses is different from Jesus's name.
They are two different parsonalities but united in purpose or oneness in purpose ,principles and everyother thing.
A man and his wife are one.but two people if you remove marriage.
Jesus christ said I and my father are one.When he was baptised the voice came from heaven saying "this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased"
Jesus christ kept saying "my father in heaven".when he was crucified he told the thief on his right hand that he would be with his father in heaven.More than 50 times in the bible the Lord Jesus Christ said MY FATHER.
Before raising up Lazarus from the dead , he prayed to his father in heaven.You can not tell me that he was praying to himself .

Philipians2:9 says "God has highly exalted Jesus Christ and given him a name that is above all names"
This means God the father is existing and different from Jesus His son.
Gen.41:44 Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh,without thee shall no man lift up his hands or foot in the land of Egypt.verse 55 says when there was famine in the land the people cried to Pharoah for bread,which Pharaoh gave unto them by telling them to go and meet Joseph.Likewise we ask God for all thing through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You are correct in saying that the book of revelation called Jesus Almighty God and also the Alpha and the Omega. Infact it was Jesus christ himself that gave that testimony ,and we know Jesus can not lie or does not lie.Jesus is actually Alpha and Omega.But that is a title.And Jesus did not say I am the only Alpha and Omega.Joseph was given all the power in Egypt but not above Pharaoh.
When you read further that book of revelation chpter1:18 Jesus christ says "I am he that liveth and was dead and behold ,I am alive for evermore.
From here Jesus Christ gave messages to John for the 7 churches from Chapter 1to chapter 3 .In chapter 3:12 Jesus said he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and will write upon him the name of my God.This means Jesus has a God.verse 14 Jesus Christ says that he is the beginning of the creation of God.Likewise revelation 3:21 Jesus testifies that "I am set down with my father on the throne.
The above was the complete or conclusion of message given by Jesus to John.Confirming that God is on the throne.

Joseph was ruling the people of Egypt but not ruling Pharaoh that gave him the authority and one of his chariots to ride on. He also said every Egyptian must bow their knee to Joseph.Likewise in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ every knee must bow.But not the knee of his Father Almighty God.
It is written for God so love the world that he gave His only begotten son ,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but ,but have everlasting life.This is in that proverb also and in Revelation 5:1-9.showing why the lord Jesus christ came ,when he took the book from the hand of Almighty God.

When you quote the bible in a middle way you may not fully understand it until you read it to the end and allow the spirit of God to minister to you.

The children of the bond woman who are being lead by the devil in perpetrating evil arround the world now, may continue if we do not read our bible and pray for them.When we are ask one or two questions and you do not know or give you own opinion as the answer because you did not read the bible for understanding.How would they be convinced .

The devil is not foolish ,he will set up augument among brothers so as to have his way.His doing so now succesfully among christians.
Some find it hard to believe that God have a son,because they are trying to bring God to their level , thinking there must be a wife b4 one can have a child.
How much more to say he is still the Almighty God the father by virtue or trait of mere title and neglecting all the written fact and given meaning to something you did not fully understand.
In the biginning was the word ,and the word was with God,and the word was God. The word was with God, means, two personalities with the title God.
The same was in the biginning with God.Confirming proverb 8:23 to the end.

Please let me know where am wrong with bible references.

Thank you and Stay blessed.

enilove: As christians there are somethings we need to undetstand so that the unbelievers will not continue in their idol worshipping ,because of our own lack of understanding of the bible and refusal to read it and allow the spirit of God to minister unto us.Jesus said we are the light of the world.meaning we are to show others the way.
In the book of Proverb chapter 8:23-36 reads
"I was set up from evarlasting ,from biginning,or ever the earth was.When there were no depths,when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled,b4 the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth,nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens,I was there :when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:when he established the clouds above :when he strenghened the fountains of the deep:................verse 30 "Then I was by him,as one brought up with him:and I was daily his delight,rejoicing always b4 him:verse 34 -35 says " for whoso findeth me findeth life,but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul and they all that hate me love death.
From the above scripture you can bring out words like I WAS BROUGHT FORTH ,I WAS SET UP when God the father was creating the universe.

ijawkid:

lol....i am trying to show you that going by ones name does not in anyway ,make that person the same as the almighty GOD or the almighty GOD.....imagine an isrealite who was bearing the name "GOD has come"........if Jesus was the one bearing that name wetin you for conclude??.......Jesus was not given the personal name Immanuel, but his role as a human fulfilled its meaning. Jesus’ presence on the earth as the Messianic Seed and Heir to David’s throne proved to Yahweh’s worshipers that God(Yahweh) was with them, on their side, backing them up in their undertakings..........the presence of God's representatives always showed GODs people that GOD was with them....right from the times of moses till the coming of the messiah

Bidam: "your human speculations" does not hold water here..cos all true scriptures we see Christ considered as God and man, the Son of God equal with his Father, and yet the man, born of the Virgin Mary. Christ, in his complex person, is "the power of God and the wisdom of God." He is the power of God from all eternity. "By his word were the heavens made, and all the host of them." "The Word was God, and the Word was with God." "All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

ijawkid:after reading verses 1,5, and 6 of chapter 1,it would be preposterous for me to read verse 8 and say that the almighty GOD mentioned there is JESUS...
the title ""almighty GOD" is exclusive to the Father alone.....through out scriptures the title almighty GOD has always been for the Father alone....

.but Christ had to exist first before he coulÐ take part in the creative works.......and the Father formÉd,created, the son...........Jesus was the first of his Fathers works.

Bidam: And why should it be preposterous to you? you are the only person denying the Alpha and the Omega of Jesus...go back and read that verse, it was Jesus himself that actually said it...lemme show you why

Revelation 1:8

New International Version (©1984)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."



Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
New International Version ©1984


Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
[b]I am Alpha and Omega,.... These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming: Alpha is the first letter, and Omega the last in the Greek alphabet, and signifies that Christ is the first and the last, as it is interpreted in Revelation 1:11, [/b]and is a character often given to the divine Being in prophetic writings; see Isaiah 41:4; and is no small proof of the proper deity of Christ. Alpha is used by the Jews for the chief of persons or things,


"Isaiah 41:4 Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."

ijawkid:the title ""almighty GOD" is exclusive to the Father alone.....through out scriptures the title almighty GOD has always been for the Father alone....

Bidam: could you pls explain this with a scriptural backing?

ijawkid:

In that revelation Jesus was reffered to as first and last and it was clinged to his death and ressurection.........alpha and omega in verse 8 strictly is for the LORD GOD almighty who has no equals...........Jesus is not the LORD GOD almighty oooo.....Jesus has a GOD............try to grasp this basic point my bro......the whole book of revelations dedicated that title GOD to Ýahweh alone....................Jesus said "MY GOD"......................the LORD GOD almighty cannot have a GOD he worshÍps...........that is why I said read revelation 1:1 and you would know who a particular verse is reffering to......................

Bidam: Thank God you agree on the emboldened at least we are going somewhere...but why contradict your self again in the next line..na wa for you sha..wetin be the meaning of alpha and omega? abeg go check dictionary..make you come back make we yarn. stop harping on rev 1:1..like i said before in the other thread you keep on reading the bible like a newspaper.. in that verse [b]Jesus Christ is the revealed WORD OF GOD [/b]which was shown to his servants(john,peter,paul and others).

ijawkid:

Revelation 3:14,the proverbs eni quoted,colossians 1:15.........etc........

Jesus is the firstborn of and the beginning of of Gods creation........na lie??.........

Jesus is part of the Family of creation.......we all(including Jesus) stem from one origin or source,and that source is the Father.......Jesus had a beginning.....only one who is not sincere would run away from this point.......Jesus was begotten..........

Read this verse in hebrews 2:11......

11 [L For indeed]
·Jesus, [L the one]
who makes people
holy, and those who
are made holy ·are
from the same family
[or have [b]the same
Father; or have one
origi[/b]n; L are all from
one]. ·So [For this
reason] he is not
ashamed to call them
his brothers and
sisters.
________________________________

We are all products of the Father........only the Father has no beginning............Jesus is the first of Gods work........

.but Christ had to exist first before he coulÐ take part in the creative works

Bidam: .you are really a deluded fellow this is what you said above and the scriptures you quoted are in no way showing the existence of Christ before he could take part in creative works..whateva that is..that was why i asked you whether you believe in the trinity in the other thread.

ijawkid:

I don't believe in the trinity.........all I am saying is that Jesus is the first born of GODS creation....he is part of the family of creation but the first....can't you get the point??.................its glaring...........Yahweh created or formed Jesus then Jesus became an agent through which God created other things.............those scriptures especially colossians 1:15-16 and proverbs 8:22-30 butresses these points..............

ijawkid:

I don't believe in the trinity.........all I am saying is that Jesus is the first born of GODS creation....he is part of the family of creation but the first....can't you get the point??.................its glaring...........Yahweh created or formed Jesus then Jesus became an agent through which God created other things.............those scriptures especially colossians 1:15-16 and proverbs 8:22-30 butresses these points..............

enilove: As christians there are somethings we need to undetstand so that the unbelievers will not continue in their idol worshipping ,because of our own lack of understanding of the bible and refusal to read it and allow the spirit of God to minister unto us.Jesus said we are the light of the world.meaning we are to show others the way.
In the book of Proverb chapter 8:23-36 reads
"I was set up from evarlasting ,from biginning,or ever the earth was.When there were no depths,when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled,b4 the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth,nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens,I was there :when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:when he established the clouds above :when he strenghened the fountains of the deep:................verse 30 "Then I was by him,as one brought up with him:and I was daily his delight,rejoicing always b4 him:verse 34 -35 says " for whoso findeth me findeth life,but he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul and they all that hate me love death.
From the above scripture you can bring out words like I WAS BROUGHT FORTH ,I WAS SET UP when God the father was creating the universe.
Jesus Christ is different from God Almighty .
The words Almighty God is a title not a name .
God is a title as you can see where God told the Israelites"thou shall worship no other gods beside me"
Almighty on the other hand means .... having relatively unlimited power.
In Philipians 2:6 It tells us that Jesus christ has the form of God.A two year old lion is a lion,because its form is that of a lion.
Jesus Christ is God ,but remember that God is title ,that was why God Almighty gave His name to Moses.He did not say "My name is God"Jesus Christ too has a name,his was not named God. You can see that the name God gave to Moses is different from Jesus's name.
They are two different parsonalities but united in purpose or oneness in purpose ,principles and everyother thing.
A man and his wife are one.but two people if you remove marriage.
Jesus christ said I and my father are one.When he was baptised the voice came from heaven saying "this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased"
Jesus christ kept saying "my father in heaven".when he was crucified he told the thief on his right hand that he would be with his father in heaven.More than 50 times in the bible the Lord Jesus Christ said MY FATHER.
Before raising up Lazarus from the dead , he prayed to his father in heaven.You can not tell me that he was praying to himself .

Philipians2:9 says "God has highly exalted Jesus Christ and given him a name that is above all names"
This means God the father is existing and different from Jesus His son.
Gen.41:44 Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh,without thee shall no man lift up his hands or foot in the land of Egypt.verse 55 says when there was famine in the land the people cried to Pharoah for bread,which Pharaoh gave unto them by telling them to go and meet Joseph.Likewise we ask God for all thing through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You are correct in saying that the book of revelation called Jesus Almighty God and also the Alpha and the Omega. Infact it was Jesus christ himself that gave that testimony ,and we know Jesus can not lie or does not lie.Jesus is actually Alpha and Omega.But that is a title.And Jesus did not say I am the only Alpha and Omega.Joseph was given all the power in Egypt but not above Pharaoh.
When you read further that book of revelation chpter1:18 Jesus christ says "I am he that liveth and was dead and behold ,I am alive for evermore.
From here Jesus Christ gave messages to John for the 7 churches from Chapter 1to chapter 3 .In chapter 3:12 Jesus said he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and will write upon him the name of my God.This means Jesus has a God.verse 14 Jesus Christ says that he is the beginning of the creation of God.Likewise revelation 3:21 Jesus testifies that "I am set down with my father on the throne.
The above was the complete or conclusion of message given by Jesus to John.Confirming that God is on the throne.

Joseph was ruling the people of Egypt but not ruling Pharaoh that gave him the authority and one of his chariots to ride on. He also said every Egyptian must bow their knee to Joseph.Likewise in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ every knee must bow.But not the knee of his Father Almighty God.
It is written for God so love the world that he gave His only begotten son ,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but ,but have everlasting life.This is in that proverb also and in Revelation 5:1-9.showing why the lord Jesus christ came ,when he took the book from the hand of Almighty God.

When you quote the bible in a middle way you may not fully understand it until you read it to the end and allow the spirit of God to minister to you.

The children of the bond woman who are being lead by the devil in perpetrating evil arround the world now, may continue if we do not read our bible and pray for them.When we are ask one or two questions and you do not know or give you own opinion as the answer because you did not read the bible for understanding.How would they be convinced .

The devil is not foolish ,he will set up augument among brothers so as to have his way.His doing so now succesfully among christians.
Some find it hard to believe that God have a son,because they are trying to bring God to their level , thinking there must be a wife b4 one can have a child.
How much more to say he is still the Almighty God the father by virtue or trait of mere title and neglecting all the written fact and given meaning to something you did not fully understand.
In the biginning was the word ,and the word was with God,and the word was God. The word was with God, means, two personalities with the title God.
The same was in the biginning with God.Confirming proverb 8:23 to the end.

Please let me know where am wrong with bible references.

Thank you and Stay blessed.

Bidam: @ijawkid [/b]shey you see wetin [b]enilove talk abi
later you go talk say na lie i dey lie..see dat your head like niger delta.lol

i.chuka:

Dude you 4got to add verse17-18 in Colossians you quoted.Colossian1 is talking about Christ been the first to Resurrect from the dead.
Proverbs8 talks about Wisdom,refering to Wisdom as a SHE(Proverbs8:1-2)

Bidam: @ijawkid, when i mean an exhaustive exposition...am not talking about only your thots on this issue with your long lengthy and boring literal translations..i mean compare it with other authorities with greek and hebrew texts ok? Others can please help us out in prov 8(all of it) and col 1 : 15-22.

enigma_otr: The Mighty One told Moses in Exodus 6:4 that HE is "YAHWEH". John 5:43 made me understand that the Messiah has come in the Name of HIS FATHER. By implication, Jesus can not be the real name of the SAVIOUR because it has no similarity to the Name of the Mighty One, YAHWEH. The real Name of the Saviour is YAHSHUA which means, YAHWEH saves. I don't understand why most versions of the Bible replace these names with titles that has pagan origins. That's by the way.
YAHSHUA no doubt is the begotten Son of YAHWEH and we are made to understand that both are One. The Messiah is never a man. John 1 called Him The Word and that nothing was made without Him. He also proved to us that He's not a man when He said in John 8:58 that He's been existing before Abraham was. He also said that all powers on heaven and on earth Have been given unto Him and that whatever we ask in His Name, He shall do. He also said in John 14:6 that He's the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one goes to the Father except by Him. The Scripture make me understand that the Creator is YAHWEH and Has a Son YAHSHUA who laid down His life for our salvation. Through this, no other Name under the heaven by which we can be saved. You can't claim to know the Father if you don't know the Son. Whether you acknowledge YAHSHUA as One who is more than just a man or not, He's the only Way to salvation. Do you believe that He's the Messiah? Do you believe that He died for your sins, was buried and resurrected? Do you believe that He's the way, the Truth and the Life and the only Way to the Father is through Him? Do you believe that He's got all powers in heaven and on earth? Do you believe that there is no name by which you can be saved except by His? Do you believe that whatsoever you asked in His Name, he does? If your answers are yes and you're still arguing on this topic, i say, why argue on what can not save your soul? But if by chance, your answers to any of my questions are no, then you can't be blamed.

ijawkid:

Would u deny that verses 22-30 of proverbs 8 wasn't talking about Jesus??.........

And I agree colossians 1:17-18 did say Jesus is firstborn from the dead,which conveys the same meaning with Jesus being the firstborn of all creation.....

Jesus was the first to ressurect and would be the agent through which Yahweh would ressurect aLl other persons...........Jesus is part of the family or group of those who died and who experienced ressurection but the first of that group(Jesus didn't evade death to later be called firstborn from the dead)...........the same with Jesus being the firstborn of all creation.....Jesus is the one person Yahweh created directly and the first of Yahwehs creative works,then Jesus became the agent through which Yahweh created all other things.......Jesus is part of the group of the created,but the first of them all.............the bible explains itself...............

truthislight:

fine write up.

The book of Revelation is a revelation to John via an angel from Jesus christ who in turn got the revelation from his father yahweh.

The angel consecutively repeat the names or titles of the father and the son all through the book of revelation.

The title first and the last is both shared by Jesus and the father for obvious reasons.

But the title Alpha and Omega is an exclusive of the father.

Note that the mention of the one is followed by the mention of the other (mention of the son is followed by the mention of the father) either by titles or by names.

But the name of the Father have been removed by trinitarians as to project their trinity concept.
Peace.

plappville: @Bidam, can you explain these please?

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

ohn 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 8:26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

And this?

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Thank you.

enigma_otr: The Mighty One told Moses in Exodus 6:4 that HE is "YAHWEH". John 5:43 made me understand that the Messiah has come in the Name of HIS FATHER. By implication, Jesus can not be the real name of the SAVIOUR because it has no similarity to the Name of the Mighty One, YAHWEH. The real Name of the Saviour is YAHSHUA which means, YAHWEH saves. I don't understand why most versions of the Bible replace these names with titles that has pagan origins. That's by the way.
YAHSHUA no doubt is the begotten Son of YAHWEH and we are made to understand that both are One. The Messiah is never a man. John 1 called Him The Word and that nothing was made without Him. He also proved to us that He's not a man when He said in John 8:58 that He's been existing before Abraham was. He also said that all powers on heaven and on earth Have been given unto Him and that whatever we ask in His Name, He shall do. He also said in John 14:6 that He's the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one goes to the Father except by Him. The Scripture make me understand that the Creator is YAHWEH and Has a Son YAHSHUA who laid down His life for our salvation. Through this, no other Name under the heaven by which we can be saved. You can't claim to know the Father if you don't know the Son. Whether you acknowledge YAHSHUA as One who is more than just a man or not, He's the only Way to salvation. Do you believe that He's the Messiah? Do you believe that He died for your sins, was buried and resurrected? Do you believe that He's the way, the Truth and the Life and the only Way to the Father is through Him? Do you believe that He's got all powers in heaven and on earth? Do you believe that there is no name by which you can be saved except by His? Do you believe that whatsoever you asked in His Name, he does? If your answers are yes and you're still arguing on this topic, i say, why argue on what can not save your soul? But if by chance, your answers to any of my questions are no, then you can't be blamed.

Bidam: I agree totally with you bro... but my friends here tend to disagree probably due to wrong indoctrination...you are blessed.