Enigma:

I know them well and get on well with some of them. In fact, when I was growing up, I was in their 'kingdom hall' a number of times. I even still remember some of their somgs in Yoruba.

really?? ......you still they hum them sometimes?? .........

Hmm

Ẹni ba ṣ'ootọ to duro ṣinṣin ki yio f'ọkan rẹ f'ẹru

(snip)

Jade ka lọ, lakaka nṣo
k'otitọ ṣe 'mọlẹ wa
Jehofa pe mi n'iranwọ rẹ etc

plappville:

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I can see you are back. Welcome.

Enigma: Hmm

Ẹni ba ṣ'ootọ to duro ṣinṣin ki yio f'ọkan rẹ f'ẹru

(snip)

Jade ka lọ, lakaka nṣo
k'otitọ ṣe 'mọlẹ wa
Jehofa pe mi n'iranwọ rẹ etc

Hahahahaha..........abeg translate am for me....abeg you........you really remember am o..........

So you are yoruba??....

.

Bidam: actually you are not very far from the truth..the revelation i got from 1 tim 3:6. None of you guys has been able to explain it..you are just giving me flimsy excuses and dancing around with diluted translations..SMH!!

what we want you to understand is that there is one God over all who is the Father. How about other Gods?

Isa 9:6 says, that Christ will be called a mighty God.
Zechariah 12:8 says, the house of David shall be like God, just as the angel of God before them.

At least Rev 3:12 showed you that Jesus have someone who he called his God, not himself. That God, is the God of all gods. Him alone we worship. He is the Father. Jesus is called God but he is not the Father(God) who Jesus said we should worship.

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Being like God is not just by Mouth, it has to do with having God's qualities(Godhead) and it is only God that can give it and he gave the fullness to Christ, Col 1:19. God coming in the flesh here refers to Jesus Christ not the Father.

1peter 4:1
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Since therefore Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin;

this mystery of godliness also applies when Jesus said "if you see me you have seen the Father," "i and my Father are one," etc. it doesn't mean he is the same person as the Father.

best to leave this discussion, it will never end , might continue till the rapture

frosbel: best to leave this discussion, it will never end , might continue till the rapture

...no bi lie!

Bidam: wrong again..isaiah 9 CLEARLY SHOWED THAT scripture is talking about Jesus..don't be obstinate and hell bent in not accepting it.other bible scholar have confirmed it..dats another prob you have..you refuse to see that scripture in the light of wat God is saying.

You are right, it was for Jesus this prophecy refarred to. You should know that, there are many names given to Jesus using the phrase “He shall be called,” both in the OT and NT. This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways. Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

None of these titles was Jesus’ actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever. Luke tells us Jesus “shall be called the Son of the Highest” (Luke 1:32) and “son of God” (1:35) and “the prophet of the Highest” (1:76), but none of these was His name. He was to be called also Emmanuel. But no were was he called this name. But He was described with these names. He told us the words He speaks are not His. We should take him for that.

ijawkid:

i didnt say isaiah 9:6 isnt talking about Jesus...i only said isaiah 9:6 in no way tells us that it is the GOD of isaac and Jacob that was to be born as a man on earth...that is my point....abi na lie i talk??............that book tells us that a son would be born.....and that son was Jesus the son of GOD and not the Father or the only true GOD...thank you

no matter how you twist that scripture to suit your belief.. Jesus Christ is still your mighty God and everlasting father in that scripture..ok

Boomark:


I can see you are back. Welcome.

Thank you jare, that spambot keep pesting me recently...

Bidam: no matter how you twist that scripture to suit your belief.. Jesus Christ is still your mighty God and everlasting father in that scripture..ok

Was He ever called these names? Why do you always use JESUS, CHRIST, MESSIAH. And not Wonderful, Emmanuel etc?

ijawkid:

Hahahahaha..........abeg translate am for me....abeg you........you really remember am o..........

So you are yoruba??....

Roughly:

He who is truthful and stands firm will not give his heart to fear but will have boldness in the truth . . . . . . come out let's go, stride on, let truth be our light, Jehovah calls me etc etc etc

Another one:

Ọjọ Jehofa de; aṣẹ rẹ si bẹrẹ --- Jehovah's day is here and his rule/authority has started

Ẹlẹri jah ni awa, a n'jẹri lọ l'aibẹru ---- we are Jehovah's witnesses, we are witnessing about without fear.

Now, find and post those your hymns.

Bidam: wrong again..wen God removed my stony heart to give me a hrt of flesh..you ain't there bro..do you think its online i will change by arguments? Just like boomark said..am getting it clearer now..let the word of God speak for itself not your opinions.

Wonders shall never end.
I asked you some questions on page 4 ,but you keep avoiding the answer.Why?

When you saw my qestions ,instead of answering them you avoided the subject and said ,I quote"abeg Johavah advocates...make una take am easy on me na only me against d world? ha ba.

Bookmark made the following comment b4 you posted that reply. he said "Bidam cannot give a truthful answer ,likewise the trinitarians.He ignored this verse from ijawkid at d first page .He will come here and tell you d definition of "temple" instead of telling you who Jesus was calling his father.

For the second time on the same on thread and same question, instead of going sraight to the matter at hand you started talking about" When God removed your stony heart ..........",and never made mention of the questions regarding what you believed in. Why?

Bookmark knew you would not answer .Does it mean you are not truthful with yourself, because you must have read the bible references and could see that you are wrong. You said "do you think its online I will change by arguments?

If you can not change online through arguments ,why then did you start this new subject and mentioning a church denomination online.If you did not expect people to have a change of opinion why then have you come online?People do give their lives to God online, and people can through our comments online decide to abandone God, if they are confused.

A child of God ,who knows that the way of life is above to the wise so as to depart from hell beneath ,will not mind what people would say,but will be honest to himself even if saying the truth would lead to death for him.Because he is spiritualy conscious of his salvation.If a christian cannot be more righteous than the pharisees,he can not make heaven.
The muslims keep saying ,out of ignorance though,that Jesus christ is not the son of God. It takes the holy spirit and prayers b4 some of them are changing.
The devil and its agents knows what they are doing,and the bible has warned us not to be ignorant of the devices of the devil. Some children of the bond have already been making bad comments.

Remember that every unrighteousness is a sin. No body can hid his sin from God and even the devil and his agents.Jesus Christ said if we have lust in our heart towards the opposite sex ,we have already commited adultery.The sin will be registered even if not know to the other person.

In summary, please respond to the qustions I asked on page 3 so that we can know where the srcrete is.

plappville:

Was He ever called these names? Why do you always use JESUS, CHRIST, MESSIAH. And not Wonderful, Emmanuel etc?

YOUR LIES AND HYPOCRISY IS GETTING ON MY NERVES ALREADY..PLS KEEP YOUR BELIEFS TO YOURSELF ABEG

enilove:


Wonders shall never end.
I asked you some questions on page 4 ,but you keep avoiding the answer.Why?

When you saw my qestions ,instead of answering them you avoided the subject and said ,I quote"abeg Johavah advocates...make una take am easy on me na only me against d world? ha ba.

Bookmark made the following comment b4 you posted that reply. he said "Bidam cannot give a truthful answer ,likewise the trinitarians.He ignored this verse from ijawkid at d first page .He will come here and tell you d definition of "temple" instead of telling you who Jesus was calling his father.

For the second time on the same on thread and same question, instead of going sraight to the matter at hand you started talking about" When God removed your stony heart ..........",and never made mention of the questions regarding what you believed in. Why?

Bookmark knew you would not answer .Does it mean you are not truthful with yourself, because you must have read the bible references and could see that you are wrong. You said "do you think its online I will change by arguments?

If you can not change online through arguments ,why then did you start this new subject and mentioning a church denomination online.If you did not expect people to have a change of opinion why then have you come online?People do give their lives to God online, and people can through our comments online decide to abandone God, if they are confused.

A child of God ,who knows that the way of life is above to the wise so as to depart from hell beneath ,will not mind what people would say,but will be honest to himself even if saying the truth would lead to death for him.Because he is spiritualy conscious of his salvation.If a christian cannot be more righteous than the pharisees,he can not make heaven.
The muslims keep saying ,out of ignorance though,that Jesus christ is not the son of God. It takes the holy spirit and prayers b4 some of them are changing.
The devil and its agents knows what they are doing,and the bible has warned us not to be ignorant of the devices of the devil. Some children of the bond have already been making bad comments.

Remember that every unrighteousness is a sin. No body can hid his sin from God and even the devil and his agents.Jesus Christ said if we have lust in our heart towards the opposite sex ,we have already commited adultery.The sin will be registered even if not know to the other person.

In summary, please respond to the qustions I asked on page 3 so that we can know where the srcrete is.

YOUR MOTIVES ARE SO IMPURE BY YOUR STATEMENTS..YOU DON'T KNOW ME SO DON'T JUDGE ME BRODA..I MIGHT HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE DEVIATED FROM THE PATH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS..SO LETS DEBATE SCRIPTURES OK..DON'T GET PERSONAL ON ISSUES..CHRISTAINS ARE KNOWN BY THEIR FRUITS..NOT BY THE AMOUNT OF SCRIPTURES THEY STORE IN THEIR HEADS..BUT BY LIVING THE WORD OF GOD AND MAKING IT APPLICABLE IN THEIR DAILY LIVES..I REFUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS COS IT IS BASED ON A WRONG PERCEPTION OF ME..OK

enilove: You have made enough points backed up with biblical references, but he keeps coming back with more uncorrelated references,trying to confuse himself the more.

Is like he has a pastor whom he respects so much that believes such,so he feels the pastor knows all and can not be wrong.

[quote][/quote]this was were you started your biased statements against me..like i said initially from the start...it is about knowing wat the word of God is saying on this issues...wetin con join my pastor hia with this matter?..if you have denominational issues..settle it with GOD NOT me..am not creating this thread to attack any denominations ok? wat i mentioned about adventist and JW...were actually statements from an online website..i can give you the links if you want..

Bidam:
this was were you started your biased statements against me..like i said initially from the start...it is about knowing wat the word of God is saying on this issues...wetin con join my pastor hia with this matter?..if you have denominational issues..settle it with GOD NOT me..am not creating this thread to attack any denominations ok? wat i mentioned about adventist and JW...were actually statements from an online website..i can give you the links if you want..

while the SDA may have some false doctrine to about 2.5% , I can assure you most denominations I have been a member of , hold on to about 50% false doctrine.

Now that's 50 % good food and 50% poison , enough to kill anyone spiritually.

The only defense the Pentecostalism movement uses to attack those who oppose them is to call them cults.

I am personally sworn never to follow any institution of MAN, from now one it's me and my GOD , but I see myself more aligned to the SDA substituting their Sabbath and Jesus is an angel doctrines.


My advice : Read your bible and follow JESUS, you can never go wrong, who can beat the Holy Spirit as a teacher.

enilove: Some people are going to hell by accepting that God does not exist and some have been directed by satan in a wrong direction or religion,worshipping idol in a house thinking they are serving God.

since you already assumed in your heart am going to hell by these your statements above..why bother about me? OK i ayam happy to go there...are you satisfied? after all frosbel said theres is no hell.. confused set of individuals..smh!

frosbel:

while the SDA may have some false doctrine to about 2.5% , I can assure you most denominations I have been a member of , hold on to about 50% false doctrine.

Now that's 50 % good food and 50% poison , enough to kill anyone spiritually.

The only defense the Pentecostalism movement uses to attack those who oppose them is to call them cults.

I am personally sworn never to follow any institution of MAN, from now one it's me and my GOD , but I see myself more aligned to the SDA substituting their Sabbath and Jesus is an angel doctrines.


My advice : Read your bible and follow JESUS, you can never go wrong, who can beat the Holy Spirit as a teacher.

i think this is one of the best advice i have gotten so far here..rather than mudslinging against a broda...thanks man

Enigma:

Roughly:

He who is truthful and stands firm will not give his heart to fear but will have boldness in the truth . . . . . . come out let's go, stride on, let truth be our light, Jehovah calls me etc etc etc

Another one:

Ọjọ Jehofa de; aṣẹ rẹ si bẹrẹ --- Jehovah's day is here and his rule/authority has started

Ẹlẹri jah ni awa, a n'jẹri lọ l'aibẹru ---- we are Jehovah's witnesses, we are witnessing about without fear.

Now, find and post those your hymns.

there are some new ones ooo...heard them??

Bidam: i think this is one of the best advice i have gotten so far here..rather than mudslinging against a broda...thanks man

my apologies if I have made comments that offended you.

We are not perfect and we cannot know it all, may God help become more like his SON daily, that's the most important thing.

Thanks.

Bidam:
this was were you started your biased statements against me..like i said initially from the start...it is about knowing wat the word of God is saying on this issues...wetin con join my pastor hia with this matter?..if you have denominational issues..settle it with GOD NOT me..am not creating this thread to attack any denominations ok? wat i mentioned about adventist and JW...were actually statements from an online website..i can give you the links if you want..

Have you answered the questions?You can take your time to respond to harmless comments,what then is the reason why you have dicided not to comment on the questions,if you now what the word of God is saying.
Did you not read bookmark's comment?

You are trying to avoid the questions again by your comments above .Please we are waiting for your answer.That is the main issue not looking for faulty comments to harmmer on.

Am sorry if you view my comment as being biassed. I do not attend 7 day adventist nor Jehovah witness, and I also do not have any thing against them.
They know what they believe in ;I also respect the Jehovah witness.

Jesus is not going to ask us our denomination in heaven.

Please post your comments on the questions on page 4.

This is the third times you are avoiding these questions and picking on the irrelivant matters.

I hope you will post your answers now ,please.

ijawkid:

how do you expect enigma to do the bolded??.....

it would pour sand sand for him garri............. .............

^^^

True talk!

Seconded.

Bidam:

Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus. What is his name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.

Rev 22:12-13 (NIV) “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Who gives rewards at his soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.

Is jesus christ coming two times?

Reveltion 22 is after the 1000yrs of christ, and after the 1000yrs, christ will hand over the kingdom to his father and the father will be all and all:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4)
............:.......

^^^

the one that will come is Yahweh.

You just copy and pest anywhere you see Alpha and Omega.

Now see this instances:

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God(Yahweh) of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." (Revelation 22:6).
..................
That Rev. 22:6 said of Yahweh sending his angel and later verse 13 said:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:13).
...............................

Going further:

And Rev. 22.16 said this time that Jesus sent his angel :

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16).
...............................

This time their is no mention of the Alpha and Omega since it discribes Jesus christ that sent his angel, but called him "the root of David"


Cool down and read what i have just pointed out to you so that you dont keep making the mistake over and over all the time.

You should rather be asking why the name of Yahweh was removed from the bible in those places such that you have gotten confused.
Peace

Bidam: YOUR LIES AND HYPOCRISY IS GETTING ON MY NERVES ALREADY..PLS KEEP YOUR BELIEFS TO YOURSELF ABEG

NA KWENTION I ASKED OOOO...WHY YOU DEY VEX?? BECAUSE SAY NA TRUTH I TALK? OK TRY IT HERE, STOP USING THE NAME JESUS OR CHRIST AND USE.
EMMANUEL or WONDERFUL or LORD Our Righteousness or Counselor and SEE HOW STRANGE IT WILL LOOK TO YOU AND EVEN YOUR READERS!
You prob is holding on to these discriptive names.

Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.

Isaiah 9:6For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Matthew 1:23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."

Peace bro, i never meant any harm/hurt, all the best.

Bidam: so who is your Jesus?

Messenger of God, simple!

Saksreal: Contd.

Jesus was tempted by the Devil but God cant be, therefore Jesus is not God.

"Let no one say when he is tempted, "I Am BeING tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil and He himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away by his own lust". (James 1:13-15)


(THEN JESUS WAS LED UP BY THE SPIRIT INTO THE WILDERNESS TO BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL..........(Continue reading (Mathew 4:11)
The above also proves he is not God because God cannot be tempted.

( A ruler questioned him saying, "Good teacher, what shall i do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said to him " WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE" ( luke 18:18-19)
Yet another proof.


Is Jesus the only Son of God according to the bible? (NO)

"Mathew 5:1-9):
When Jesus saw the crowd, he went up on the mountain and after he sat down, his disciples came to him, He opened his mouth and began to teach them saying,

"BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRIT FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO MOURN FOR THEY SHALL BE COMFORTED..........



BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEY SHALL BE CALLED THE SONS OF GOD.) if Jesus would be the only son of God, would he say that the peacemakers are sons of God? NO, because that wld have been a lie. And we know Jesus wldnt lie since lying is a sin according to the bible.

"For all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are sons of God( Romans 8:14)

"For you all are sons of God through faith in christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26)

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and satan also came among them: (Job 1:6)

Remember God promised to make prophet David his son( Firstborn) - Psalm 89:20-27



Finally, Say; He is Allah, the one; Allah, the eternal, absolute; He begetteth not, bnor is he begotten; and there is none like unto him. (Quran 112:1-4)

. Go and read the reply of Jesus to the last statement of satan to tempt HIM in John 4:12 and come back to tell me Jesus is just an ordinary man like muhammed.

Table Leg :

Messenger of God, simple!

a messenger must have a message..what was his message and how is he different from the prophets of the OT including your mohammed?

if u truely believe who u say Almighty God is, dont u think you should be unable to explain how God is? We are jus mere mortals, born in this century and can only leave for 120 years, how possible is it for us nw to explain who has lived bfor the creation of the world, and who wil live forever? I can say dis convincingly that even the men that wrote the bible we all made reference did not understand the Trinity, they only tried their best in their explanations. How possisible is it for us to? we are also trying our best no matter the wisdon we have.... Well my own view is that, We have God Almighty nd he has a son Jesus christ. Simple and short, lets try no to sin against the Holy Spirit tryin to explain a Supernatural being.

^^Your confusion na for your mind and those of your teachers who invented trinity. Knowing the person is not the same as knowing everything about him.

Hebrews 1:1
New Living
Translation (NLT)
Jesus Christ Is God’s
Son
1 Long ago God spoke
many times and in
many ways to our
ancestors through the
prophets. 2 And now
in these final days, he
has spoken to us
through his Son. God
promised everything
to the Son as an
inheritance, and
through the Son he
created the universe.

Keep looking and you will never see anything.

Acts 3:13
New Living
Translation (NLT)
13 For it is the God of
Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob—the God of all
our ancestors —who
has brought glory to
his servant Jesus by
doing this. This is the
same Jesus whom you
handed over and
rejected before Pilate,
despite Pilate’s
decision to release
him.

Aaah!! Aaah!! You cannot fit understand this one. They know their God from time immemorial, they are not confused by trying to change him into 3 persons.

The most powerful that will shut any trinitious mouth to time indefinite is Rev 3:12. Unanswerable question dey there.

When you understand these things, then you will go back and define the word "God."

Boomark: ^^Your confusion na for your mind and those of your teachers who invented trinity. Knowing the person is not the same as knowing everything about him.

No one is confused here except you and the JW's.

Hebrews 1:1
New Living
Translation (NLT)
Jesus Christ Is God’s
Son
1 Long ago God spoke
many times and in
many ways to our
ancestors through the
prophets. 2 And now
in these final days, he
has spoken to us
through his Son. God
promised everything
to the Son as an
inheritance, and
through the Son he
created the universe.

Keep looking and you will never see anything.

You are the one who is looking and never seeing. I see God the Son very much in agreement with God the father. God the Son is the visible and tangible REALITY of God the Father cos no Man has seen or can see God.

Acts 3:13
New Living
Translation (NLT)
13 For it is the God of
Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob—the God of all
our ancestors —who
has brought glory to
his servant Jesus by
doing this. This is the
same Jesus whom you
handed over and
rejected before Pilate,
despite Pilate’s
decision to release
him.

I love scripture because they are in perfect harmony,scripture interpret scripture and no prophecy of scripture is in isolation and of PRIVATE interpretation. The same God( Phil 2:6) who took the form of a servant(Phil 2:7) also took the form of a prophet, Apostle and a High priest( heb 3:1)...so no be today we see am for bible.

Aaah!! Aaah!! You cannot fit understand this one. They know their God from time immemorial, they are not confused by trying to change him into 3 persons.

The most powerful that will shut any trinitious mouth to time indefinite is Rev 3:12. Unanswerable question dey there.

When you understand these things, then you will go back and define the word "God."

As far is this doctrine is concerned, it is not subject to the whims and cunningly devise fables of your Jw organization. Rev 3:12 makes it even more clearer. A Son cannot be greater than is Father. A Son is as much equal and eternal just as His Father is.