@bab787


SANCTIONING OF KILLING IN THE QURAN

The verses which state that Islam is to be "shown" to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others).

THE CONFUSIONISM IN THE QURAN

Since sura 9 was among the last to be “revealed to Muhammad”, it logically abrogates sura 2:256. In the case of Christians and Jews specifically, the Quran states they may continue to worship as their faiths require with certain provisons: they pay a tax to worship as they require, their temples of worship do not exceed in height those of Islam, they acknowledge the supremacy of Islam. So You can worship as a Christian but you Just need to bow to Islam. This one na Heavy Contradiction.

Listen To the Translations

Arabic: Walaqad atayna moosa tisAAa ayatin bayyinatin fais-al banee isra-eela ith jaahum faqala lahu firAAawnu innee laathunnuka ya moosa mashooran

Translation : We do not cancel any verse nor let it be forgotten instead We bring something better than it or else something similar. Do you not know that God is Capable of everything?


Make I Explain Further For My Fellow brothers and Sisters

While the Quran does initially state that Muslims and others are to live amicably with each other, this teaching is abrogated by later verses which state that Islam is to be “shown” to people of other faiths who, if they refuse to acknowledge, accept and follow it, are then are to be slain (suras 9:5, 47:5, and 8:39 among others). These contradict

sura 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”. Since sura 9 was among the last to be “revealed to Muhammad”, it logically abrogates sura 2:256.

Are you serious? “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)” 9:5 Osama Bin Ladin used the same verse within his fatwa to justify his spree of attacks.

I will go to The Sexual SANCTIONED IMMORALITY IN THE QURAN IN THE BIBLE IT IS NOT SANCTIONED BY CHRIST (GOD)

FAKE SANCTIONED MARRIAGES PRCTICED BY DIFFERENT SECTS OF ISLAM

He Who needs sex in a hurry but does not want to go through the elaborate ritual of marriage and the payment of expensive dower? Of course, many people would love to have this kind of quickie sex without much obligations. No wonder that there are so many women engaged in the world’s oldest profession just to meet this demand from depraved men. In modern parlance, we call it ‘one-night’ stand. Believe it or not, Islam has its equivalence too!

The Islamic counterpart of one-night stand is known as the M’uta marriage. In this kind of contract marriage, a man simply contracts a woman to sleep with him for a brief period only. Although the Sunnis have banned the M'uta system, it is very much in practice among the Shiites. It is quite possible to have a M'uta marriage every night and kick the woman out next morning. There is no need of divorce in a M'uta marriage. This type of marriage is a contract to sleep together and that is all.

It is stated that Imam Hasan, the grandson of Muhammad MFHS collected up to three hundred sex partners (the Islamic terminology is temporary wives) besides his regular wives, to have one-night stand with them. Imam Hasan was definitely an Islamic 'Playboy' of his time

FROM THE HADITH

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.


Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.


Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)

PLS READ JSUT THIS FEW ONES AND FIRE BACK AT ME
SANMI

Repent!!! the kingdom of God is at hand!!!

backslider,

i can see that the virus of ignorance has eaten deep into your system thereby deluding you from comprehension and interpretation.

now let me explain one after the other the verses above

u quoted quran 47v5. this is what we have there as against your quote
Quran 47 v5:He will guide them and set right their state

It has nothing to do with our current issue

abeg, u sure say u no dey sleep when u copied the chapter. pls for the benefit of others, make sure u make adequate verification before u paste anything here.

now to Surah 9v5:

Here u come again, why quoting from verse 5 alone if u r truthful, why dont u read from the beginning and read the tone of the Surah and whom it was addressed to.


also read surah 8v39 too from the beginning and when you are through, call on me i will explain further to you about the ISLAMIC BATTLES FOUGHT DURING THE HOLY PROPHET'S ERA AND ALSO THE WHAT LED TO THE REVELATION OF THE SURAHS. and i hope with that u will be brought out from your dark and delussion

i said earlier, i dont know the term to use in describing you, how did u manage to pass your Primary school and secondary school exam. read the surah again and tell me if the other two surahs were addressed to all or an individual and also apply same to last chapter u quoted too before i explain further cos it seems u r lost yourself, havng found that ur bible is riddled with contradictions, u now wanted to turn the battle.

also i told u to bring it from the Quran, the verse on sexualism but u failed to, u always hide the shed of holy Prophet with 9 year old. wake up from your slumber and bring out the verse from the holy quran haven forgotten that i quoted yours from your bible and stop telling me 'TALES FROM MOONLIGHT" stories about muta marriage, bring proof from the Quran and stop wasting tim, always go straght to the point.

and let me ask you, WHY DO WE HAVE ALL THOSE BULL SHITS, INCEST, FORNICATION, TERRORISM ETC IN THE BIBLE. WHAT MORALS DO THEY TEACH?

call on me if u still do not comprehend my post and i will explain and re-explain to you SIR.

backslider

lest i forget, u posted this

I will go to The Sexual SANCTIONED IMMORALITY IN THE QURAN IN THE BIBLE IT IS NOT SANCTIONED BY CHRIST (GOD)

read the below verse

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

WAS IT NOT SANCTIONED BY BACKSLIDER'S GOD (JESUS)

@ babs787,
I thought i had given you a response to your highly deluded reasons, you still come here and raise that same verse again?

@mrpataki,

what response did u give/ let me have your response.

backslider add the below too and read all your God ordered them to do

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord isad, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites…………, as the Lord commanded Moses

Killing women, children, animals.

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattles and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTIES

Deut 20v10: when u draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And it its answer to you is peace and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, THEN U SHALL BESIEGE IT, U SHALL PUT ALL THE MALES TO THE SWORD, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city all its spoils, u shall TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES AND U SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.

REVENGE, SWORD AND FIRE

Amos 9v1: I will SLAY that left of them unto the SWORD, not one of them shall flee away. I will command the SWORD, and it shall SLAY THEM.

Jer 49v37: I will send the SWORD after them until I have CONSUMED them.

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Re: How Would You Describe Jesus?
« #56 on: December 12, 2006, 02:21 PM »


Quote from: mrpataki on December 12, 2006, 09:39 AM
I would describe my Jesus as the Prince of Peace. Not like what that dirtyminded Reverse has put up.
A reconciler of the heart of men back to God.

@mrpataki,

did i see u posting it that jesus was a prince of peace. was that in the bible or assumptions. if in the bible, i need it please.

u said he is a prince of peace, can you please those below

SWORD AND FIRE IN NEW TESTAMENT (ALL THESE WERE SAID BY JESUS)

Luke
Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

Mathew
Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

OH NO!. ALL THESE SAID BY JESUS ALONE.

please mrpataki, i need your response ASAP ESPECIALLY LUKE 19V27 AND THE REST

My response to you

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Re: How Would You Describe Jesus?
« #62 on: Yesterday at 06:11:59 PM »

@ babs787
I will answer your question thus:
Jesus is coming back for his church that is without sin, meanwhile there is what we call the Kingdom of God which is what Jesus is coming for, in absentia at the moment, he discovers among his own, some who seems to be influenced by the things of this world, rather than by the things of God. Like the kingdom in the story,(where you brought out) our world is in a state of civil war, some people are loyal to God, our King in heaven, while others refuse to acknowledge his Lordship. One day the Lord Jesus will return to put an end to the civil war by destroying the enemies and recreating the earth. On which side will you be?

In essence the scripture you have just qouted for explanation by me is actually Jesus making us to know what the endtime(his coming back) is actually going to look like.

As much He is the Prince of peace, He is also a God of judgement, and when he comes back to earth, he is coming for Judgement, and to take his own kingdom home.

If you still want more clarifications i will kindly oblidge you.

mrpataki,

u r confused. it seems there s no way out for you.

u said he is a Prince of Prince and i brought verses from your bible on what he said, u failed in providing answer to my earlier post.

go through my post on the verses on what jesus said and provide answers. you said he's a prince of prince, how could a prince of peace be talking of sword and telling them to kill those that didnt do HIS?.


u never provided the naswr, rather u beat about the bush wrting unnecessary stories . i need proOF MAN

I NEED EXPLANATION ON THE VERSES AGAIN AND PROBABLY MAYBE FROM YOUR BIBLE

I don't see the point in arguing about other's people religion, this only cause more violence. And in addition I am highly disappointed at the way most christians take there religion. If you are to defend your religion, you don't have to mention things concerning other religion, what is our mission, is it not to spread the word?, but look at what you are doing, you only spreading more violence. In this generation, lots of influence are making people divert away from there religion. Please, learn to live a humble life.

According to the topic, Christianity is not wrong.

@babs787

I see you really did some homework on bringing to this thread what you think was wrong.

You laid emphasis on sex and terrorism.

SEX: Wasn't it through sex you were born, how did that become a sin. Most of the sex acts you quoted in the bible were all considered sin in the bible. Please, read to understand.

TERRORISM: Everything you quoted in terrorism was from the old testament of the bible. These were the old ages where there were different tribes trying to overcome each other or prove the existence of a stronger force behind them. But since the Son of God (JESUS CHRIST) came to the world, he never thought such acts, but rather brought peace.

All of you, learn to control you anger and make peace, being a muslim or a christian doesn't mean the person is your enemy, they are humans like you, and you could be close friends at the end of the day. Make Peace!

MRpataki

u posted the below write up



much He is the Prince of peace, He is also a God of judgement, and when he comes back to earth, he is coming for Judgement, and to take his own kingdom home.


my question goes further

1. are u saying jesus is GOD?
2. if Jesus is God, tell me from your bible what made him JESUS and at the same time GOD
3. IF jesus is not God, bring the proof from your bible that says he will judge the world having failed to answer the issue of prince of peace

MRpataki

u posted the below write up



much He is the Prince of peace, He is also a God of judgement, and when he comes back to earth, he is coming for Judgement, and to take his own kingdom home.


my question goes further

1. are u saying jesus is GOD?
2. if Jesus is God, tell me from your bible what made him JESUS and at the same time GOD
3. IF jesus is not God, bring the proof from your bible that says he will judge the world having failed to answer the issue of prince of peace

@ope emi,

thanks for your post.

well, i doubt if u have been following this thread. also i didnt open this thread, another person did. u can see the topic up but along the line, fellows in the like of mrpataki diverted to another topic and i followed suit.

now to your questions and post on sex and terrorism

firstly the reason for my post on sex is a result of what havila posted saying there was sex, father having sex with daughter and vice versa. i told him to bring the proof from the bible but he never did, so this prompted me into posting those verses on sex.

i beg you to start reading the thread from the beginning and you will understand perfectly.

ALSO I ASKED EARLIER THAT WHAT MORALS DO THESE TEACH?

NOw to your post on terrorism, u said all the acst were performed in the old testament. let me ask you, is OLD TESTAMENT NOT PART OF THE BIBLE? HAVE U FORGOTTEN WHAT JESUS SAID THAT HE HAS NOT COME TO ANNUL ANY LAW. SO WHY ARE U SAYING OT IS old fashioned.

even if i want to take you by your words, you said it is in the old testament we are having such and that brought peace, can you pls explain the below verses for my understanding

U SAID HE BROUGHT PEACE BUT READ THE BELOW

1. Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

I NEED EXPLANATION ON THE ABOVE

2. Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

NEED EXPLANATION TOO

3. LASTLY

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

I NEED EXPLANATION TO THE ABOVE SAYING OF THE'PRINCE OF PEACE' PLS.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST, WE R MAKING PEACE THROUGH DIALOGUE AND EXCHANGING OF IDEAS. AND NOBODY HEREON NAIRALAND IS MY ENEMY, EVERYBODY IS MY FRIEND. WE R JUST PROVING ALL THINGS AND ALLOWING THEM TO HOLD FAST TO WHICH IS TRUTH COS TRUTH HAS COME AND FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE OPE EMI

@ Ope emi,
with time you will understand better that this peeps dont want to know the truth, they want unnecessary bickerings and wranglings

Good luck to you,in your quest, if you can endure the heat they bring on to you.

Right from the days of John the Baptist, the kingdom of God suffereth violence and only the violent takes it by force.

@ babs787,
thanks for those questions, guess with time, we will disagree to agree.

babs787:


my question goes further

1. are u saying jesus is GOD?
2. if Jesus is God, tell me from your bible what made him JESUS and at the same time GOD
3. IF jesus is not God, bring the proof from your bible that says he will judge the world having failed to answer the issue of prince of peace

Have you not read all my previous post?

1. Yes JESUS IS  GOD AND LORD

2. a. Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,    which being interpreted is, God with us.

   b. Mt 2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

   c. Mt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

   d. Mt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
   e. Mt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

   f.  Mk 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

   g.  Lu 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

   h.  1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

   i.   1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

   j.  Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
   k. 1Ti 1:1 ¶ Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

   l.  Do you still want more, guess not so as not to confuse you the more
3. RUBBISH!!!!

There is nothing confusing here pataki but deliberate misrepresentation of the truth. There can only be One God and there is nothing like Him. I tell you on the day of judgement you shall answer to why you choose to call a human being God. Its even better if you dont believe in God than to join partners with God.

In case you dont want to call him Allah (SWT), give Him any name but pls let us accept the fact that He is One.

@Belloti,
We KNOW that the Living Almighty God is ONE in nature who exist in three spirits or offices or persons: We KNOW that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is the SOURCE of All authorities in Heaven, Earth and under the earth; We KNOW that Jesus Christ is God the SON and he is the CHANNEL of All authorities; We also KNOW that the HOLY SPIRIT is God and he is the AGENT of All authorities.

("God is Spirit; and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.")

Additionally, we KNOW that allah (i.e al-illah) is NOT the Living God of Heaven and Earth, so it's not that we don't want to call Him allah; it is because allah in NOT the Living God who made the heaven and the earth.
Peace.

mrpataki,

very good this is what i really wanted to hear from you that JESUS IS GOD.

the verses above are your evidence that qualified jesus to be GOD.

havila,

u also supported him that JESUS IS GOD. meaning that Jesus can never be Son but GOD Himself.

AM sure thousands of christians will be luahging at both of you at your ignorance in CALLING JESUS GOD.

BE EXPECTING MY WRITE UP ON ANOTHER THREAD TAGGED "IS JESUS GOD".

There we will disgaree to agree based on evidence and quotations and limit our topic to verses and chapters from your same bible and providing Quranic quotation where you are confused and when necessary.




you also added to it that HE IS Also THE FATHER, SON, MOTHER AND THE HOLY GHOST.

@ babs787
I will be waiting for that, in the meanwhile, i have given you an adequate response to the confusion that you might have as well as the other ignorant goons in the same situation as yours

@ babs787 and the other confused goons in the house
Since you are more concerned about the enemies that Jesus spoke of: Lk 19:27

"These mine enemies". This portrays the fate, not of followers of Jesus, but of those who would not have the Lord reign over them. It embraces all the impenitent.

Mt 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the[/color] just,

Mt 13:50 [color=#990000]And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God (enemies), and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:[/color]

2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord (Jesus), and from the glory of his power;[color=#990000]

I have asked you before,i will ask you again, on whose side will you be?
Note that you cannot serve two masters, you either serve the Lord Jesus and accept him as your Lord and saviour or choose to serve you ever updating idol.

Do you still want more? ok

Lk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
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Nu 16:30 [color=#990000]But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

Nu 16:31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:
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Nu 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.[color=#990000]

Nu 16:33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation[/color].

Nu 16:34 [color=#990000]And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also.

Nu 16:35 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.[/color]

Ps 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
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Ps 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
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Ps 2:5 [color=#990000]Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Do you still want more? ok

Ps 21:8 Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.

Ps 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour (slay) them.

I can go on and on to tell you of how consuming our Lord in his anger when he comes back the second time. In as much i told you that HE is a Prince of peace, He is also a consuming fire!!!!
When He returns, he is not coming to reconcile the heart of man back to his Maker, NO He is coming for Judgement (to slay his enemies as you have discovered that part yourself in the bible). The bondage of your religion tells you there is a God but does not tell you what happens to those that do not follow that God in spirit and truth through acknowleding Jesus(the way, the truth and the life), i tell you, you have a chance of knowing the love of Jesus today, i did that many years ago, and i am happy in loving the Lord and following his ways.

Jesus is coming back babs787, and He gave us that sign which i will carefully layout here:

Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?[/color]

Mt 24:4 [color=#990000]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mt 24:5[b] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.[/b][/color]
Mt 24:6 [color=#990000]And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars(E.g America-Iraq, Isreal-Palestine, Iran-Isreal;read the Iranian's leader declaration to the UN on war to wipe out Isreal from the surface of the earth): see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines(E.g Somalia), and pestilence(E.g Pedophiles,Rapist, Homosexuality, Lesbesians, HIV/AIDS, cancers, Murderers, bombings, Air accident across the globe), and earthquakes, in divers places.(E.g Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina's, heat wave across Europe, terrorist attack across the globe)
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.[/color]
Mt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.[color=#990000]
Mt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.[/color]
Mt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold(even here on nairaland there are many like that take a look across different threads and topic in this religion section).[color=#990000]
Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.[/color]
Mt 24:14 [color=#990000]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (slaying of his enemies as understood by you babs787), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

If after all i have said and explained to you, you still need clarifications i will kindly oblidge you. But, if you choose to remain adamant, i will leave you to your ways.

@ babs787

babs787:

mrpataki,

very good this is what i really wanted to hear from you that JESUS IS GOD.

the verses above are your evidence that qualified jesus to be GOD.

havila,

u also supported him that JESUS IS GOD. meaning that Jesus can never be Son but GOD Himself.

AM sure thousands of christians will be luahging at both of you at your ignorance in CALLING JESUS GOD.

BE EXPECTING MY WRITE UP ON ANOTHER THREAD TAGGED "IS JESUS GOD".

There we will disgaree to agree based on evidence and quotations and limit our topic to verses and chapters from your same bible and providing Quranic quotation where you are confused and when necessary.




you also added to it that HE IS Also THE FATHER, SON, MOTHER AND THE HOLY GHOST.

Thank you for showing the great ignorance that you hold in your possession.
I will answer your qouted statement thus:

What is your father's surname?
Do you not bear your father's name, or you rather not claim affinity to your parental name?

If you, a mere dolt as you portend to be, could bear the name of your father and claim that name anywhere that name is mentioned, what more of a Godly being who came into the world to redeem you and I from our sins?

See where your foolishness resides

mr pataki,

u must be very good at story telling

what did i ask from you and what have u been writing? EVADING MY VERSE?

why givng me all those bull shit. i asked u an explanation to the verse from the bible and you are giving me another bull shit.

I ASKED U FOR  FOR EXPLANATION U R GIVING ANOTHER IRRELEVANT VERSES.

MIND you ve posted another new thread with the topic IS JESUS GOD? go over and see readers' responses before i give my own verses and chapters.

man. stop playing hide and seek, i asked for just only the meaning of the verse period. BE A MAN. I NEED UR EXPLANATION.

mrpataki,

who is foolish betwen you and i?

you are referring mortal being with immortL God,

so a if your father's name is mrpataki, does that entitles you to all what is ascribed to your father. does it entitles you to maybe withdraw from his account ussing your own signature or whatever wityhout his consent, will you be given.

it means u can equally go to your mother (sorry for that) and ask her whatever your father's right on her.

YOU CAN SEE YOU FOOLISHNESS

you are trying to avoid your early you tring post in which u claimed that jesus is God. for the fact that u claimed that he is God's son, does that entitles him to be God too?

u can see your foolishness

u r just a bunch of waste

To add more to your confusion you ignorant gnat.
I have answered that particular verse that has deluded your thoughts.

Told you that Jesus is referring to his enemies as those that will not serve him and subject themselves to his Lordship and Kingship, that when he comes back the second time he is coming for that judgement. in Luke 19:27, as well those other scriptures are to add to the Luke 19:27 that you seem excited over.

How many times must i tell you that, you this great dolt.

Now i know where your problem lies,
You are too narrow minded to know that bearing your fathers name does not mean you can definitely withdraw from his account, or that you can do certains which he alone has the priveledge of doing.

Do you know that even Jesus does not have an accurate timing as to when the world would end, only the Father does know that, does that as well correlate with your foolish thought patterns that you have stipulated out?

In the meanwhile, have to go get some dough, will be back to address your stupidity the more.

Even a prince is subject to been obeyed if only you can extend your thinking patterns beyond your environment ignoramus!!!

@Havila: Your three in One concept proves that Secular Academics, like Medicine, is not indicative of Spiritual purity and Smartness of The Body and Soul. How can 3 be 1? Indeed, your educating your Ph. D. Candidate younger brother and now your not being able to reconcile with clarity that 1 and 1 and 1 added together can never be 1 again. Most importantly, is that God does not have to come to the earth to learn about anything, because He is Perfect, All Powerful and All Knowing anyway and all the time. If He did not know everything at all time, then there is your sign of deficiency and imperfect (Oku die kaa to). God is alway Complete. He created man in the first place without any prior example and gives man his form and his nature. I must let you know that you christians, the group in question on Nairaland, have sold God short and this is an evil thing. God Who created and will judge man does not have to come by the way of His Angel Gabriel breaking the news of the prgnancy, resulting in the birth of Jesus to mary. God does not have to be in the womb of a woman, virgin or not and then be born withall the guwwie things that comes with birth of a child. He does not have to make a woman suffer for Him, suckle from the woman and be nursed from helplessness to youth. Then go through the process of living as a youth to young adult and then adult. Finally at 30 declares a ministry and then in 3 years be killed humiliatingly, as you christians claim! Within the 3 years was tempted 3 times by Satan, even with promise of food, to be given dominion of the earth, to jump off from a ledge andask God to catch him (from the last part, you will see that even Satan in his evilness know the difference between God and Jesus) etc, etc. At the same time was hungry enough after fasting that he was delutional to have cursed a figtree to wither because it did not fruit, even though it is off season! Throughout the life of Jesus, he lived and fubction as human and other prophets (AS) before him! There was no miracle that he performed that there is not a comparable miracle that has already performed by a prophet. The raising of dead was done by Moses in Suratul Baqarah! In all, all those who were raised have already died, again. It is very clear that God the Almighty Who created Jesus and all is capable of controlling His creations without the aid of even His Angels. He does not even need to make a person suffer before He forgives another! If any of these is present in Him, then He will not be Perfect! Functioning like any human, eg eating because of hunger and meaning live, using the bathroom for # 1 and 2 and even need of sleep are all for mortal beings. Jesus was one. In the long run, Jesus will come back to live out the remainder of his life and dies! That's reality!

babs787:

@ope emi,

thanks for your post.

You are very much welcomed

babs787:
well, i doubt if u have been following this thread. also i didnt open this thread, another person did.

I have being following the thread and I also know you didn't open the thread.

babs787:
now to your questions and post on sex and terrorism

firstly the reason for my post on sex is a result of what havila posted saying there was sex, father having sex with daughter and vice versa. i told him to bring the proof from the bible but he never did, so this prompted me into posting those verses on sex.

I quoted you on that because of your allegations.

babs787:
i beg you to start reading the thread from the beginning and you will understand perfectly.

I understand perfectly everything going on, thanks for your concern.

babs787:
ALSO I ASKED EARLIER THAT WHAT MORALS DO THESE TEACH?

Did you mean on your previous post or on the topic of discussion

babs787:
NOw to your post on terrorism, u said all the acst were performed in the old testament. let me ask you, is OLD TESTAMENT NOT PART OF THE BIBLE? HAVE U FORGOTTEN WHAT JESUS SAID THAT HE HAS NOT COME TO ANNUL ANY LAW. SO WHY ARE U SAYING OT IS old fashioned.

Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill the laws and I agree with you on that (Do you know the laws?). I am not saying the old testament is old fashioned but as being renewed by the new testament in which Jesus Christ fulfilled the commandments.

babs787:

even if i want to take you by your words, you said it is in the old testament we are having such and that brought peace, can you please explain the below verses for my understanding

U SAID HE BROUGHT PEACE BUT READ THE BELOW

1. Luke 12v49: I came to cast fire upon the earth and would that it were already kindled. Do not think I came to make peace but rather DIVISION for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, two against three. They will be divided, father against son, son against father, mother against daughter, daughter against mother.

I NEED EXPLANATION ON THE ABOVE

On this subject he was talking about division of "the good from the bad" when rapture takes place.
N.B: He was speaking in parables.

babs787:
2. Mathew 10v34: do not think I have come to make peace on earth. I have not come to make peace but a SWORD. For I have come to set man against his father and a daughter against her mother.

NEED EXPLANATION TOO

Here, he is taking about the revelation(End Time), when the sinners would be cast to hell and the righteous to heaven. Not that he will seperate all fathers from there sons e.g. If a man as a son who is righteous and unfortunately he is not, they will be set against each other.

babs787:
3. LASTLY

Luke 19v27: for those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and SLAY THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM THERE BEFORE ME .

I NEED EXPLANATION TO THE ABOVE SAYING OF THE'PRINCE OF PEACE' PLS.

If you read it very well from the beginning, you will see that Jesus was talking about "The Parables of the Ten Minas" and the verse you quoted was part of the parable. (Please read to understand)

babs787:
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST, WE R MAKING PEACE THROUGH DIALOGUE AND EXCHANGING OF IDEAS. AND NOBODY HEREON NAIRALAND IS MY ENEMY, EVERYBODY IS MY FRIEND. WE R JUST PROVING ALL THINGS AND ALLOWING THEM TO HOLD FAST TO WHICH IS TRUTH COS TRUTH HAS COME AND FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE OPE EMI

Conclusion: Mostly all the verses you laid down here is Jesus taking about the End Time where the pure will be seperated from the impure. He was passing it accross the people in parables.(Don't misquote the lord's word)

You are welcome. And may the truth set us all free from our iniquities.

@the christians who are responding to Babs787, specifically my loving brother havila: She you dey follow the writing and the logics of the christians; Ms Ope-emi, MrPataki and even yourself? None of you have been able to address the questions posted. Except that you begin to snake away from it, doing the rope a dope and harlem shuffle. Please answer the gentleman, and stop begging the question and do not wizzel. I know you can not. So I am just going to wait and see how weak your foundation is and for sure, it is weak. You must fall. You see, there is no Ikma in your religion. You arrogantly cling to ignorance, explaining away in lust. Is it because you are all arrogant that you do not want to prostrate your face to your Creator, that's why you are following the path that leads to perdition?

2 years ago, I met a grandson of the late jazz great, Miles Davies. He and his father ( Miles son) and others in their family are Muslims. He was telling us what Miles said begore he died. He said that he knew Islam is the religion of truth, but he did not want to prostrate his face. What arrogance!

Where is Babyosisi? She is gone home already? i guess it is the season to feed on roasted pig! Enjoy.

I have to give up on you guys! This kinda arguement will not get you anywhere!!!And isnt it so hypocritical of you? Using all sorts of words here while trying to prove that your own RELIGION is the right one!!!!!!

@Olabowale,
In your usually ignorant rantings, you appear to be confusing idiotic dogma that is the mantra of Islam to the doctrine of Grace. You see, as it had been foretold in the bible, Christ is a rock of offense to some peoples, and a stumbling block because of their foolishness. While belief in God's love and grace through Jesus Christ is simple, for some people like you, it is too simple!! That's why the things of the true God appears foolish to those who belief that mercies of God and salvation can only come through 'works' like knocking your head on the floor five times; or going on a journey of Idolatory called Hajj, or stoning yourself at kaaba, and worst of all living like and following the wicked teachings of an acclaimed sexual pervert, murderer and paedophile called Muhammed- your prophet a.k.a sunnah.

The questions asked by the original poster have been variously answered and supported with passages from the scriptures. It is not that they've not been answered; your problem is because of your mind being in darkness, and the temporary benefits of whatever you are worshipping is keeping you in this darkness. This is making you choose not to understand or indeed not understand the things of light. Your statements are usually so illogical, it becomes difficult to tie it in to the topic for discussion. Having read about Islam and muhammed especially, one wonders how it will be very possible for a truly intelligent person to be a true muslim. What of all the bizzare stories you add, were those just a moment of memory shut-down or just rantings? They just don't tally to the issue on ground.
I have seen Islam, I have read about Islam and more also I have have read about Muhammed just like a lot of peoples in the world, it is clear that Islam is fulfilment of the "bondage of Ishmael" who was born into the bondage by the slavewoman Hagar. The curse of this bondage is being broken among the direct descendants of Ishmael (Arabs) today who are rapidly embracing and accepting Jesus and putting of the curse of Ishmael/anathema called Islam. That is why the concept of divine grace and mercies is difficult for you to understand/appreciate; because of the "bondage" that makes you seek to 'please God' with your mortal works. The True God first loved us before we loved Him. It is sheer arrogance and ignorance that is making most of the remaining 'jammat' to cling to this afflication called Islam. I will advise you 'jammat' especially Pa Olabowale, and his neophytes Belloti, Oyebanji07, babs787,etc, to please seek wisdom; it is not in the Quran, in your masjid or in your heart/mind. You guys are simply empty, and it is unfortunate!!!. There is still time as long as you are alive to get out of the affliction which you taken upon yourselves called Islam.

olabowale:

@the christians who are responding to Babs787, specifically my loving brother havila: She you dey follow the writing and the logics of the christians; "Ms Ope-emi"(I think you haven't being looking closely at the gender sign behind my name), MrPataki and even yourself? None of you have been able to address the questions posted.

I doubt if you've being following the thread. We will love to know the question that has remained unanswered.

olabowale:

Except that you begin to snake away from it, doing the rope a dope and harlem shuffle. Please answer the gentleman, and stop begging the question and do not wizzel. I know you can not. So I am just going to wait and see how weak your foundation is and for sure, it is weak. You must fall. You see, there is no Ikma in your religion. You arrogantly cling to ignorance, explaining away in lust. Is it because you are all arrogant that you do not want to prostrate your face to your Creator, that's why you are following the path that leads to perdition?

The only problem is that you didn't want to accept the answers, not that anybody is snaking around the questions as you said.

olabowale:

2 years ago, I met a grandson of the late jazz great, Miles Davies. He and his father ( Miles son) and others in their family are Muslims. He was telling us what Miles said begore he died. He said that he knew Islam is the religion of truth, but he did not want to prostrate his face. What arrogance!

Is this part of the topic also

Abdblues:

I have to give up on you guys! This kind of arguement will not get you anywhere!!!And isnt it so hypocritical of you? Using all sorts of words here while trying to prove that your own RELIGION is the right one!!!!!!

Thank you for using that word "hypocritical", main reason I am quiet disappointed at the way questions are being answered. Your contribution is very much welcomed by me.

@babs787,

babs787:

mrpataki,

BE EXPECTING MY WRITE UP ON ANOTHER THREAD TAGGED "IS JESUS GOD".

There we will disgaree to agree based on evidence and quotations and limit our topic to verses and chapters from your same bible and providing Quranic quotation where you are confused and when necessary.

you also added to it that HE IS Also THE FATHER, SON, MOTHER AND THE HOLY GHOST.

PLease quote where i said all that?

As well am still waiting for your koranic quotations, you should have gotten them from your alfa's by now.

@ Belloti,

There is nothing confusing here pataki but deliberate misrepresentation of the truth. There can only be One God and there is nothing like Him. I tell you on the day of judgement you shall answer to why you choose to call a human being God. Its even better if you don't believe in God than to join partners with God.

In case you don't want to call him Allah (SWT), give Him any name but please let us accept the fact that He is One.

Thank you for the display of ignorance. We are not serving the same God, it has been stated time and over again. If you accept the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then we are serving the same Lord.

There is nothing confusing here pataki but deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.

Exactly, you have greatly been given a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth by your socalled prophets. And I bless God that you are most willing to know the truth.
I am subject to tell you more.