ope emi,

u said it was all parable.did u noticed the apostrophy meaning that it was said by someone and not part of the supposed story, what made you concluded that it was the continuation of the parable. why didnt you say the last verse on jesus leaving for jerusalwem is also a parable said by the king.

u can see your level of ignorance.

what made u concluded that it was the same parable and why didnt u say it was the same parable at the tail end too.

let me add this to it too.

and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the  Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses  and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

WAS GOD JESUS ALSO SPEAKING IN PARABLE?

FUNNY SET OF PEOPLE, ALWAYS EVADING THE TRUTH.

U WILL WANT TO SAY THAT IS IN THE OT, FORGETTING THAT HE SAID HE DIDNT COME TO ANNUL ANY LAW. SO MAYBE THE GOD OF OT (JESUS) IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF NEW TESTAMENT (JESUS).

@Havila: I wonder if at anytime at Ife Medical school, there was any presentation that involved slides or even some kind of electronic imagery! Probably not. Dr Lawal, who I am being trying to let you confirm your knowledge or not of him, told me recently that the Nigerian education has greatly become mediocre, compared to his academic years and years before. Evidently, you are probably from the later generations! You get good information from where ever and whenever it is available. Education does not stop in the four walls of the classroom. It is not limited to your specialization, alone. It includes everything, what you like and what is not attractive to you. I watch TV at night or whenever I can, about topics and issue that benefit me. For example, they debunk the Rapture madness in yesterday's program and alluded to the authenticity of Judas's Gospel and his faithfulness to Jesus. So much for your religion. At least, yesterday, I wrote a note to self: Self, never become a christian. It leads to ruinious destination.

Fortunately, just what the muslims have been saying all along: The authors of the Gospels are unknowns. The named authors are not really the authors. Paul was never an apostle of the Bible Jesus. The materials that you see in each gospel, is developed as per the likeness and need of the listeners or congregation and became fuller with the need of the community. Its like Houdini's fake magic; Give them what they want and let them be led like cattle. There is no substance.

Unlike the Qur'an, the Author is One and He is the Speaker. He guarantees and safeguards its continued Authenticity. I am not a shia and I do not care for anything other than Obeying Allah the Almighty in the pattern of His Messenger Seidinah Muhammad (AS). I love him and he is an Iconoclast. He worships none but his Creator. He warned the muslims not to honor him too much as they may fall into the same idolatory mindset as those who claim with their own mouth that the follow his predecessor, Jesus son of Mary. I say that the people claim with their mouth, but the truth is that they are truly rejected by Jesus son of mary. They will know that at the point of death. At the point of death, they will see that Jesus was not more than a prophet, a mere mortal.

@Belloti: This people do not have an answer. There is no understanding. Religion affects the heart more than the brain. You have to have to have a good soul, yawning for mercy and seeking obedience. These people have souls and hearts that are very rebellious, right now. They are arrogant, being friends of Shaitan. They themselves are shayatin inns. They believe that Shaitan has no effect on them, because they are filled with the holy spirit. Yet, they say in their Bible that Jesus, their Lord and God and Saviour was tempted three times by the evil one. From this, we will conclude that they are better than the Bible Jesus, their 'you know what, as I have just done in the previous sentence'. At this time their noses are raised up to the sky, walking about arrogantly. Yet, none of them can do without needing the Lord of the Worlds, the Creator of all things. Jesus himself prayer and prostrated his face to this Lord, begging, etc, at the garden of Geshemenne! These Africans know nothing. Nigerians, they take the lead! You are dialoging with them. Infact you are Takahring with them.

@ope_emi: What happened to verses 15 to 26? It jumps from 14 to 27 without a natural progression? I am just asking.

olabowale:

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,They are arrogant, being friends of Shaitan. They themselves are shayatin inns. They believe that Shaitan has no effect on them, because they are filled with the holy spirit. Yet, they say in their Bible that Jesus, their Lord and God and Saviour was tempted three times by the evil one. These Africans know nothing. Nigerians, they take the lead! You are dialoging with them.

@ Sheikh Olabowale,
Whatever, you dont know better.!!! Dont worry about which generation I belong to. I am good at what I do, my Ife certificate was the foundation for my further degrees from the topmost university in Europe. I am in high demand globally to the glory of God professionally; recently came back from the topmost biological/pharmaceutical research facility in Calif and the Research Triangle of Washington; where I educated them on the most recent findings on genetic epidemiology of infectious diseases in sub-Sahara Africa. All is to God's glory, our wisdom and righteouness are like filthy rags to him. You and you 'reference' cardiologist can sit over there calling education in Nigeria mediocre because you dont know better. Nairaland is a product of one young Nigerian who is doing his best to make the best out of what he learned inspite of the limitation; and yet he is a product of the mediocre education. I will always be grateful to my Ife background, pa Olabsy and I am now doing my best to collaborate with my former teachers to improve the standard. That is what people with secured identity and clear sense of purpose do; not sit away and point fingers like you and your "reference" cardiologist. who probably was an struggler academically at ife then. As for you, did you even go to any school sir, whether mediocre and 'unmediocre'? If not, no wonder; but if so, it is not showing sir.

So as for you, continue watching TV to get the education and information you need, but when we tell you that your arguements are shallow, dont be surprised because you can't know more than what you heard. My knowledge is wide about your deception because I "seek" wisdom widely and divinely, and have confounded you all.
You arrant posts now know no bounds. Now Africans know nothing and indeed Nigerias know nothing, yet your name is Olabowale. Indeed you top those who dont know nothing sir, seriously and you show it. Probably, dey don dash you one american passport. Kai, wonders shall never end on Nairaland.

HAVILA,

is your response up the answer to the thread and the question at hand?

huuuuuuuuh

babs787:

u said it was all parable.did u noticed the apostrophy meaning that it was said by someone and not part of the supposed story, what made you concluded that it was the continuation of the parable. why didnt you say the last verse on jesus leaving for jerusalwem is also a parable said by the king.

Babs787,
It takes the grace of God to read and understand the the word of God,hence,I will not blame you but I will attribute your arguements to a lack of understanding of the Bible,which you have clearly displayed here.I will repeat what others have said earlier, that the verse in question(LK 19:27) was part of the parable of the Noble man,and that the words were words of the noble man in the parable, not Jesus's,even though He (Jesus) told the parable.

You said there's no apostrophe to indicate that it was said by someone else.Well,apostrophe is not used to indicate that someone said something,obviously you meant to say quotation mark.However,quotation mark was not used in the beginning or the end of the story as the Bible is not a text book on grammar

Did you take time to read the story from the beginning,i.e from VS 12? It's so clear that Jesus was speaking in parable.If you read VS 14, you will realise that VS 27 refers to VS 14. LK 19:14 says:but his citizens hated him(the noble man),and sent a message after him,saying,We will not have this man to reign over us. LK 19:27 says:but those mine enemies,which would not that I should reign over them,bring hither,and slay them before me.I know you can see the correlation between the two verses,you are just being funny.

Vs 28 is not part of the parable,if you read the red letter version where the words of Christ are written in red,you will realise that the parable of the Noble man ended in vs 27,so clearly,vs 28 is not part of the parable.I hope this answers your question.May the good Lord help your unbelieve(amen).

babs787:

ope emi,

u said it was all parable.did u noticed the apostrophy meaning that it was said by someone and not part of the supposed story, what made you concluded that it was the continuation of the parable. why didnt you say the last verse on jesus leaving for jerusalwem is also a parable said by the king.

I think you don't want to accept the fact and thereby holding to your own egoitic idea of what was written in the Bible. Point of correction, it wasn't an "apostrophe" but a "quotation mark", I can see you can't differentiate between the two symbols. Hope you can put that into thinking and get a glimpse at what is written in the passage.

babs787:
u can see your level of ignorance.

Its a shame that you jump into into conclusions that was made by your intelligence.

babs787:
what made u concluded that it was the same parable and why didnt u say it was the same parable at the tail end too.

At what tail end

babs787:

let me add this to it too.

and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the  Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses  and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

WAS GOD JESUS ALSO SPEAKING IN PARABLE?

Kindly put down where you got this passage from.

babs787:
FUNNY SET OF PEOPLE, ALWAYS EVADING THE TRUTH.

And what is the truth? (I believe you are refering to the bible)

babs787:
U WILL WANT TO SAY THAT IS IN THE OT, FORGETTING THAT HE SAID HE DIDNT COME TO ANNUL ANY LAW. SO MAYBE THE GOD OF OT (JESUS) IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF NEW TESTAMENT (JESUS).

Yes, he is still the same God.
And do you think what you typed above there in your own understanding is part of the law?  

olabowale:

@ope_emi: What happened to verses 15 to 26? It jumps from 14 to 27 without a natural progression? I am just asking.

I used verse 14 to answer verse 27, main reason I jumped to the verse. Thanks for asking.

ope emi,

dont even try referring to the bible as the truth.

u asked for where i quoted the verse. it has shown that u r not conversant with your bible. now this is the full verse

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattles and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

MORE STILL COMING

MAYBE U CAN EXPLAIN TO ME TOO HAVING FAILED IN PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL EXPLANATION.

ALSO TO YOUR ISSUE OF JESUS BEING GOD OR NOT, THERE IS A THREAD FOR THAT, GO THERE AND CONTRIBUTE YOUR QUOTA RATHER THAN DIVERTING THE TOPIC.

Hi Bellotti,
u not understanding the theory of gravity doesn't prove that it does not exist. Some never believed that the earth was flat, infact it took them almost a century to agree to the fact that it was flat. Intellectualism is good, cos it gives u a reasoning ability, but like someone said ,"too many books can make a man mad". Now, the fact that we exist in the biological system doesn't mean God is also bound by the biological system.We call Him God almighty, right, and we believe He created us, how come He will need to work according to the biological syste.Don't u know He can change times and seasons for His purpose?
Have u ever read the bible b4, what does it say, wt is its story line?Does it make sense, is there purpose and destiny in it?Is it just theologically coined, or could it take a hand outside man to make it work?
Why does man aiom at annihilating his fellow, and wt is the bible's answer to this?


Think deeply over this questions and ask God,"PLs show me the way".

Prizeless thanks for the insight. My faith and belief in God and the mystery behind Him is never shaken. My only point of observation is that This God must be Omni-potent, all powerfull, superb beyond our wildest imagination. He created everything and made everything to work.

Having this in mind i just cant undermined Him by reducing to the level of a human being born by a woman. I was wondering who was God before his birth and what shall happen to those that died before the birth of Jesus. Who could be their own God. Ofcourse Jesus was a wonderful man with lot of beautiful messages from God. Where then did the confusion set in as to who really is the God. How can Biblical passages justify his being God or Son of God when we already knew who he is and who gave birth to him. There is no doubt he is a great man, a man of God and great conveyor of messages from God, but he is definitely not GOd

@babs787,

Who art thou? that you should Question God himself he had every right to kill anyone if he wanted but he did not he is God in human form he Open the vials of the angers of God.


The Bible say he is the MIGHTY TERRIBLE ONE YOU DONT KNOW THE BIBLE. JESUS IS GOD and I will never compare My GOD to a mere man that will Answer to Jesus.

You read all the words of Jesus and then you will flee the coming danger. It is very fearful that Jesus said that a man will give acount of every IDLE word that is Uttered.

You Just prepare to meet Jesus at the Judgement seat and I know you will either insult him now . You Claim that Jesus could not be God.

Let me give you this analogy.

A carpenter makes table where you write on and he supplies a great king and when the carpenter puts the table to test infront of the King but the tables breaks and the king is angry the carpenter says he will replace it but the says he wants to sign the release of souls and the capenter says he will form the position of a table so that the king can sign this release order.

This is the reality when the creator can come in form of men to lead and redeem the world from sin. SELAH

belloti:


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I was wondering who was God before his birth and what shall happen to those that died before the birth of Jesus. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Of course Jesus was a wonderful man (WRONG, WRONG, WRONG) with lot of beautiful messages from God. Where then did the confusion set in as to who really is the God.

@Belloti,
I am happy at the questions that you are asking. It is not your wisdom that is springing out this insightful questions, but the 'spirit of God' that wants you saved. Soon, if you do not resist Him, you will know and accept Jesus as your Lord God.

(1) Jesus is God before his birth/incarnation; He appeared many times in the old testament in what is called "Theophany or Christophany". An example was his appearance to Abraham in company of two other angels when He told Abraham about the 'coming' of Isaac [Ref: Gen 18 vs 1-8: "And the LORD appeared unto him (i.e. Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he (i.e Abraham) sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he (again Abraham) lift up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him,,,,,,,,"] Another example was His appearance to Hagar in Genesis 16 vs 13, or to Moses in Exodus 3 vs 14, or to Gideon in Judges 6 vs 22, again to Abraham in Genesis 22 vs 14, and to Manoah in Judges 13 vs 18, 22. In all this appearances, His presence was recognised as not being that of a mere angel; and He was called GOD. Ordinary angels or prophets in the old testament were ALWAYS identified as the "Lord's messenger", e.g Hagai 1 vs 13, etc.

(2) As per what happens to all those who died before the birth/death of Jesus; this question will answer your curiosity about what happened in the 3 days when Jesus was "dead". In those 3 days when God the Son "died", he descended into "Hades" also called Sheol in Hebrew. Hades was the place where all peoples who died before the sacrifice/passion of Jesus go to. It is divided into a part referred to as Abraham's bossom or PARADISE for the good peoples who lived by the teaching of the law and the prophets, and the other part which is a place of torment for the wicked ones. Remember when Jesus hung on the cross, he told the penitent thief that "today, you will be with me in PARADISE" in Luke 16 vs 19-31. Upon ressurection, one of the many accpmplishments of Jesus Christ was to remove all old testament saints (i.e. those saved peoples who died before birth/death of Jesus as mentioned) from Abraham's bossom or Paradise, and lead them into the presence of God the Father in HEAVEN. Since the death and resurection of Christ, every believer who dies go immediately into the presence of God in Heaven.
I will now give you Scriptural references in support and to confirm it: Primary references: Psalm 16 vs 10, Psalm 68 vs vs 17-19; Supporting references: Ephesian 4 vs 8-9; Luke 16 vs 19-31; Matthew 28 vs 6)

Now Belloti, you claimed to be a scholar, try and read all the scriptural references I have provided and come back with any question. You can borrow a bible from your friend, Onikunkewu, because he said he has 27 different versions!! Imagine!

@Havila

Are you trying to tell me that my Greatgrandfather won't make heaven?, What did he do wrong?

@Havila: Like I said, I deliberately use my Yoruba name her. Unlike you who calls himself Havila. Again, I have sated that you are probably good in your branch of Medicine. You see, the Cardiology was at top of his graduating class. This is why I gave you his name and know that he has a Muslim name as well. I do not work for anyone and infact, what I do in Nigeria is nothing I will discuss with you. I am sure, by Allah, it is beyong your league. There is nothing wrong being an American, but I never leave my Nigerianness. And I did not have to marry a woman to get it, either. This was not my dream and it was not a big deal to me. I do not hide behind a facade. The people I meet know where my heart is. My education is not your concern. I went to West Virginia Institute of Technology, with a BS education. Then I pursued a graduate program in Architecture in 84 at New Jersey Institute of Technology, after many years of break from academics. Today, I am in Investment banking. Alhamdulillah, well known and good at what I do. The point is this since I did not study in Nigeria, I can only listen to those who did. My surprised though, is that you as a medical Doctor, do not know the states of emprayoic development, as the Qur'an clearly explains the distinctive stages. This should realy provide a proof to you, since you are a 'specialist' in the field of medicine! This is the biggest surprise to me.

If you ever heard of Alan Gershwich of Harvard law School. You will know that he graduated as a mediocre student from Law School at Brooklyn College. Further, F. Lee Bailey , an allorney of the O. J. Simpson dream team fame, did not even have a first degree, before he was admitted to Boston College Law School. Frank Lloyd Wright, the foremost architect of the last centuary, only had an associate education in Civil engineering. Albert Einstein was at one time during his undergraduate education was just mediocre at best. Havila, people apply themselves to what they enjoy. However, you do not have a narrow vision and even though you are a specialist in your field of study, it all amounts to limited knowledge! Someday, I will give you a phone number to call in Nigeria and I will give them instruction to attend to you and answer any question you may ask about me. There are Kings, but there are Kingmakers.

The question at hand is do you believe in God, truly without associating anything with Him? This is the issue! Your believe, however fanciful it is wrapped, if it is wrong, it benefits none.

Backslider,


babs787,

Who art thou? that you should Question God himself he had every right to kill anyone if he wanted but he did not he is God in human form he Open the vials of the angers of God.

The Bible say he is the MIGHTY TERRIBLE ONE YOU DONT KNOW THE BIBLE. JESUS IS GOD and I will never compare My GOD to a mere man that will Answer to Jesus.

IS THE ABOVE YOUR RESPONSE. I DIDN’T SAY HE IS NOT HAVING ANY RIGHT BUT I ASKED FOR THE MEANING OF THE VERSE(S)

You Just prepare to meet Jesus at the Judgement seat and I know you will either insult him now . You Claim that Jesus could not be God.

LET ME ASK U , IS IT JESUS THAT IS GOING TO JUDGE THE WORLD? BACK IT UP WITH VERSE FROM YOUR BIBLE.

U said I insulted him, can you please tell me how I insulted him? I can never insult him cos we the entire muslim world believe him, we love him, he was a prophet sent to the Israelite with Gospel .

Ur story.
Let me give you this analogy.

A carpenter makes table where you write on and he supplies a great king and when the carpenter puts the table to test infront of the King but the tables breaks and the king is angry the carpenter says he will replace it but the says he wants to sign the release of souls and the capenter says he will form the position of a table so that the king can sign this release order.

This is the reality when the creator can come in form of men to lead and redeem the world from sin. SELAH

BASED ON YOUR STORY UP, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. FOR THE FACT THAT THE MAN CAN PERFORM THE FUNCTION OF THE TABLE AT THAT MATERIAL TIME (MAYBE BENDING OVER AND THE KING USES HIS BACK TO SIGN):
1. CAN HE MAINTAIN THAT POSTION FOR LONG LEAVING HIS OWN PRIMARY DUTY AND REMAINING A TABLE FOR LIFE?
2. SECONDLY IF THE MAN CAN PERFORM THE JOB OF A TABLE, CAN THE TABLE PERFORM THE JOB OF THE MAN? (MAKING TABLES AND SUPPLYING THE KING)

babs787:

ope emi,

don't even try referring to the bible as the truth.

Sorry to say, it is.

babs787:
u asked for where i quoted the verse. it has shown that you're not conversant with your bible.

Sincerely, can you tell me you know everything in your Quran? I only memorize the most relevant things in the Bible.

babs787:
now this is the full verse

Ezekiel 9v5: and the Lord said, ‘go through the city and SMITE, let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY utterly old and young both maids and little children and women.

Num 31v1-: and the Lord said unto Moses, ‘AVENGE the children of the Midanites……………as the Lord commanded Moses and they SLAY ALL THE MALES. And they took all women as captives and their little ones, and they took the spoil of all their cattles and all their flocks and all their goods. And they burnt all the cities wherein they dwelt and all their goodly castles with fire. Moses said,’HAVE U SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HAS KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM BUT ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.

I see that you rather spend your time in searching for every statemants that marks death in the Bible, its a shame you don't have the time to read and assimilate what the verses are trying to pass accross, but rather you go ahead to make gory statement on them.

babs787:
MORE STILL COMING

If more are still comming, make sure you know how it begins and how it ends, not just pointing out were kill is. Read to understand.

babs787:
MAYBE U CAN EXPLAIN TO ME TOO HAVING FAILED IN PROVIDING SUBSTANTIAL EXPLANATION.

I don't blame you for this statement, merely because of your religion.

babs787:
ALSO TO YOUR ISSUE OF JESUS BEING GOD OR NOT, THERE IS A THREAD FOR THAT, GO THERE AND CONTRIBUTE YOUR QUOTA RATHER THAN DIVERTING THE TOPIC.

Diverting the topic? Point out where I have, so that I will give you my reason for it.

olabowale:

@Havila:  
(1) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what I do in Nigeria is nothing I will discuss with you. I am sure, by Allah, it is beyong your league. There is nothing wrong being an American, but I never leave my Nigerianness. And I did not have to marry a woman to get it, either. This was not my dream and it was not a big deal to me. I do not hide behind a facade.

(2) My education is not your concern. I went to West Virginia Institute of Technology, with a BS education. Then I pursued a graduate program in Architecture in 84 at New Jersey Institute of Technology, after many years of break from academics. Today, I am in Investment banking. Alhamdulillah, well known and good at what I do. The point is this "since I did not study in Nigeria, I can only listen to those who did".

(3) My surprised though, is that you as a medical Doctor, do not know the states of emprayoic development, as the Qur'an clearly explains the distinctive stages.

(4) Someday, I will give you a phone number to call in Nigeria and I will give them instruction to attend to you and answer any question you may ask about me. There are Kings, but there are Kingmakers.

@ 'Bill Gate'-'kingmaker'-Haji Olabowale,
You will not cease to display your unfortunate "elitist" traits as much as you deny it. You know Yoruba's say "a leopard cannot hide it's stripes." In Quote 1 above, you said "what you do in Nigeria is not my bussiness" (correct, I'm not interested) and then in Quote 4 you want to 'show off' by giving me a number! Dude, get a life, I am not interested in whatever you are doing in your locality, most likely in your local masjid, not contributing any benefit to the society at large. You know Yoruba's also say "somebody who has never seen another person's farm, will say his father's farm is the largest." I responded to you because of your myopic statement of describing education in Nigeria as mediocre. Now in your confusion you've confirmed it; you said "you did not study in Nigeria, but only listen to what you are told". Why do you like listening to other people a lot?, why can't you for once have your own opinion based on knowledge? So upon all your self-professed "what you do in Nigeria", yet you do not know about Nigeria and have to listen to people! C'mon, don't you see how contradictory that sounds?. That's why I said most likely whatever you do is limited to being "mr big man" in your local mosque in ijebu-ode(?) or wherever!!
You said I should not bother about you education on one hand; but then you reel out your CV! I don't give a hoot, it's not about certificate, it is about showing it's worth sir. The same Olabowale who said: "Africans know nothing, and that Nigerians are tops among those who know nothing" in your earlier post, now you are saying "I never leave my nigerianess". Which 'nigerianness' are you talking about? The same 'nigerianness' that Nigerians know nothing or that you specifically know nothing, sir? I don't blame you, it's those who dash you their country's passport I blame.
Haji Olabowaleeeeee, c'mon!! stop this your "elitist" self-eulogization or take it somewhere else, I know Ijebu's like it, but it's not relevant to peoples with secured identity. Self-eulogization is a sign of insecurity; emotionally secured people don't need to 'praise' themselves to high heaves an "kingmaker" . Dont bother giving me any number, I am not interested at all at all in you, your education, your wealth, your zakat, etc. It is the salvation of your soul that matters to me; for Lord Jesus said "What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul" Even Bill Gate is not as loud as you, kai proper Ijebu-American
Just know that Jesus loves you and He is knocking at your heart.

NB: As per Quote 3; I don't have to respond to that again. It is simply,,,,,,,,,,in fact the only way to describe it is 'illogical tissue of lies'. if you know what I mean. You know my opinion on your quran. I am sure if your 'cardiologist' read his embroyology from the quran, he would be practising his 'cardiology' inside a masjid now. By the way if your cardiologist is also called Gboyega, then maybe I know him. But I hope he is not somebody just trying to claim the respect of "Great Ife"

ope emi

ope_emi:

Sorry to say, it is.

Sincerely, can you tell me you know everything in your Quran? I only memorize the most relevant things in the Bible.

CONGRATS

I see that you rather spend your time in searching for every statemants that marks death in the Bible, its a shame you don't have the time to read and assimilate what the verses are trying to pass accross, but rather you go ahead to make gory statement on them.

GO TO THE BEGINNING AND READ WHAT CAUSED MY INCLUDING DEATH FROM YOUR BIBLE

If more are still comming, make sure you know how it begins and how it ends, not just pointing out were kill is. Read to understand.
I don't blame you for this statement, merely because of your religion.
SURE I DO AND NO NEED TO TELL ME THAT COS I WAS ONCE LIKE YOU

Diverting the topic? Point out where I have, so that I will give you my reason for it.

I ASKED U TO EXPLAIN THE MEANING OF THE VERSE ME

ope emi, well i thought u have been following this thread from the begining but alas i found out that u have not been. if you have been reading, you wouldnt have challenged me to bringing out issue of death from your bible, you would have known what brought my inputting the very issue.

NOW u sad i should read to understand, having gone through it, i want you to explain the verses to me.

@Havila: I have a life. I live a good and fulfilling life. The best that happens to me, is that I am not a disbeliever. I have hope in God. I am involved in the lives of my family, both nucleus and extended. I am involved in the lives of people in communities that I belong to. I am involved in the lives of people, whoever i come in contact with, both muslims and none muslims. This involvement and trying to live a full and fulfilling existence, is what has kept me on nairaland. For if people like me and other muslims were to not contribute, it will be a matter of abandonement of worship. Islamic worship is more than the five pillars. Islam is built on the five pillars. Islam, includes just behaviour and goodliness.

If we disappear, people like you will run rabid. You will confound the already confused. You may even shake the foundation of the belief system of few muslims. Taking into consideration of the condition of the world, where it is not popular to be Muslims, unrightly so, I can not let you shout your head off to everyone. You are not the only educated person, around. You are not the highest in your class and not the best in your field. I have many Doctors in my family, siblings, cousins, nephews and nieces and indeed, my older son is in medical school. My cousin is a specialist, well known in Washington, D. C. The point is this, I can not let you have a free range, running amock!

You are talking about Bill Gate. You must never forget that he lasted, just one semester, at MIT in 1974. There goes your hypothesis of medical importance. Further, there are more captains of businesses around the world, indeed in America and your decaying old and fable gloried England, who do not even have any University education, even for one day. Sir. Ricahrd Branson of Virgin Atlantic conglamorate is an example. I have never seen a more skidish person, as you. You are very stubbort and cling desperately to your ignorance. You may be a specialist in your field, you may not know everything about it and indeed, medicine. How is it possible, when you do not even capable of discerning the full and complete stages of fetal development! This is the biggest shock!

It may be possible that we will never meet each other, even as long as we both live. However, i want you to remember something, you can not ram your religion and its pauline doctrine into our throat. It is not possible and it will always be rejected. Get a life? I live my life for the pleasure of Allah the Almighty God, Who Created from nothingness and will reCreat you and me and all, for the day of judgement. Do not rest on the hopeless Rapture uphoric hypothesis. You will not find any safety when the time for accounting comes. Soon, it will come. If when you were just a little boy, you were told, that some day, soon, you will be a grown man and even become a father, you probably will argue against the possibility. But here you are, now, a full grown. You also let us know that you are married. Soon, enough, you will grow to a rightful, old age, withered and long enough, you will wish for death. What are you going to do, when the reality of your lies, hit you like a ton of brick, indeed, lead?

Stick to the subject, havila. Then you will not have a glove off, tongue lashing from me. I am not one of the poor individuals in your epidemiology field that you can talk down to. Islam allows me to defend my humanness, even by talking back at my accuser or oppressor. You wanna oppress me, it aint gonna be cake walk. I humble myself to my Creator, alone. To me you are a nobody. I work and I do not work like a slave. Allah, has provided for me and my secret is safe with Him.

olabowale:

@Havila:
(1) I have a life. I live a good and fulfilling life. The best that happens to me, is that I am not a disbeliever. I have hope in God.

(2) If we disappear, people like you will run rabid. You will confound the already confused. You may even shake the foundation of the belief system of few muslims. Taking into consideration of the condition of the world, where it is not popular to be Muslims, unrightly so,

(3) It may be possible that we will never meet each other, even as long as we both live. However, i want you to remember something, you can not ram your religion and its pauline doctrine into our throat.

(4) If when you were just a little boy, you were told, that some day, soon, you will be a grown man and even become a father, you probably will argue against the possibility.

(5) Then you will not have a glove off, tongue lashing from me. ,,,,,,,,,,,. To me you are a nobody.

@ Haji Olabowale,
I am here; still standing and always standing in the Lord Jesus Christ to the Glory of God the Father. So take your threats somewhere else. You are sounding frustrated, I dont want you to be!!. That anger in you is a 'spirit of resistance' which is temporarily working against the truth you've learned on this forum; but by the grace of the Living God, that resistance will fall according to God's will and purpose for your life in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. I have no doubt about the "hope you have in god"; the question is "which god?" Is it the true God of Love "who so much loved you and I, that he gave up his only begotten son as a sacrifice that whosoever believe in Him will not die but have everlasting life" or the god who is inconsistent in what he claims to create humanity from, how long it takes and it can't be found in heaven; a god who sanctions a selective doctrine of discriminating against disable people a.k.a Ayat, a god whose apostle sanctions sex with children, etc, etc.

Olabowale, take a look at your Quote 4 above, I am not surprised at that quote. You know why? Because it is an islamic thinking. As a young boy, I know by FAITH in God that I will grow up and do all that God has destined for my life to His glory. So, why should I or my parents argue? But I understand you! afterall, muhammed your prophet was not even sure of what his god-allah-will do to him at the point of death; so this thinking of insecurity is anchored in the belief in a false god. But the true God said to us that "I know my thoughts toward you all; thoughts of peace and not of evil to bring you to an expected end." So you see that this so-called allah that you can't put your faith or trust in, is not the one you should rest your hope or eternity on.
It is not me or TayoD or Davidylan or Babyosisi that is confounding you as you claim in quote 2; it is the truth and wisdom of God that we confess, profess and invite you into. This is because "God had chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the (wordly) wise" (1st Cor 1:27) because "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him."(1st Cor 2:14) So do you think you can stand against such truth? No you CANNOT, and dont even try it. I am sure many muslimis and muslimas have silently received revelations on this our forum, even you. I therefore DECLARE with ALL AUTHORITY in the name of JESUS CHRIST the SON of the LIVING GOD that the words you've heard and read will shine light into your heart, AMEN. Nobody is 'ramming' anything down your throat, we only come here and declare the truth that we know and believe in by faith in Lord Jesus , abi are we doing anything else?

As per your gloves, keep it on or off; from your previous experience with me, you know there is "no shaking" on my side. However you want it, bring it on; but I will come to you "firmly" in truth and in love declaring the truth to you and others. As before in your "elitist" mentality you, OLABOWALE, can call me a nobody (quote 5) it is aboslutely of no effect, consequence or meaning; because I KNOW what God the Father of our Lord Jesus called me. God said I am His CHILD!!!!!! Ameeeen; listen: "For ye are all Children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."(Gal 3 vs 26),,,,,,,,,,and that "because we are sons, God hath senth forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father."(Gal 4 vs 6). Thus, I am a Child of God and he is my father. But, to me you are not a nobody, but 'somebody' who is yet to know what God has done for him; and therefore is contented with being the "slave" of a deity who cannot save a.k.a allah. Wont you rather be a 'son' than a 'slave'?

@Havila: My reason for dialoging with you is not to see you fall. No. I want you to think and hard. First about your TV watching. There is no harm in it, even in Islam. It is a good educational tool, if you apply it properly. In medicine, your unique field; you do know about sonogram and amniosynthesis? You also know that there is a lot of interactive education classes, including whatever NASA is doing. All of these have its integration with visual medium. TV is part of this. I watch TV, when I have the time. If I choose to watch it all the time, I am good for it. I have enough satisfaction not to labor like a slave to the things of this world. And you do not have to labor to hard to be successful. If God has willed success for you, you will be successful. He will give you all the tools that will make the success a reality for you. Afterall, Abiola, your favorite man was elected the President of Nigeria. Whereas, your favorite father of the Yorubas, with all his conniness and armwringing, Obafemi Awolowo, never smelled that same success, however limited and unaccomplished it was for Abiola.

The Ife educated 39 year old cardiologist walked into my home yesterday and the first thing that he did was picked up a medical book titled 'Current Medical Diagbosis and Treatment", the 2004 publication. So much for his struggler classification at Ife. Even though he was at the top of his class. You see the pattern of your reasoning? Only yesterday I commented about you and your specialised field in medicine. I wish I know your true name, then I will ask him, if he knows you.

About my past experience with you, it is all in a day's work. My vasilaging at that time, was not because I thought any different of you. But I try to make peace, where ever i can. Its better to have a friend that an enemy. You will not like to be my enemy. I do not like to be anybody's enemy.

Stick with what you know, Havila. You want to live and spend the rest of your life in Blind faith? Go right ahead and continue. You can not see, even as you have perfect sight. You can not hear, even as your hearing is very acute. Your mind can not understand that believe in God has to be completed. Hanging your hope in a man, according to your Bible
description of him is full of anger and created many havoc in his youth and full of so much destruction and cried out because he could not bear the mere punishment of men, in his adult and died miserable. If this is your God, then await the reward of your belief, from The true God, Who is Irresistable, in the day of judgement. He punishes and the like of such can not be captured by human mind. Truly you will know then.

Enjoy as much as you can. Afterall, this is your paradise, as a Kafr. Unless, you seek truth in worship and God's way is constant. The religion of Adam and all the way to Ibrahiim (AS to all the prophets), is not different from the religion of Musa. This is the same religion that Isa bin Mariam practiced. That religion is not Judaism, which is culled from Judah, a brach out of the 12 sons of Yaqqub, (as to all of the prophets). It is the same religion that Muhammad reintroduced, anew. It was perfect on him as a mercy on him (as to all the prophets), by his Lord, Allah the Almighty (SWA), Who is not wary and never slumbers!

Ope_emi: Thank you. But I wonder what happened to verses 15 through 26? They are not relevant and you jump to the revelant verse, killing off 11 verses from your Book of believe, according to the christians, the immetable words of God? I am saying this sarcastically. You and me and the rest of mankind who pay any attention to the Bible know that the writers are ordinary men, who are too unsure and they even skip their full name.

Since Jesus did not explain the verses of the Bible to his followers who were with him, even though, these followers, would at least have the greatest believing system than any christians of later generations, how can you people explain and feel that you are accurate in your explanations? You are referring to a Book that has no explanation and it was full of fantastic fantasies. No wonder we never have a rational and somewhat logical insight from christians. It is always the blind faith belief. Did you notice the kind of men the companions of Jesus were; In his core group, you have betraying, denying, doubting and others, over indulging in sleep and the likes at the most critical time in the live of their 'god and leader'

Now compare that to the dedication and love shown to a leader of the muslims, Muhammad (as),especially, when the arabs were previously uncouth. Abu bakr was like the first secret service in the Hijra journey in the company of the noble prophet, (as). He was stung, yet he did not blink and weeped silently. It was his tear drop that awoke Muhammad and God cure the bite that had aflictted Abi bakr. A miracle that the muslims are not emphasising to you. Ali bin AbiTalib (RA), slept in the place where Muhammad sleeps. Even though he new that they were looking for a chance to kill the owner of that sleeping spot (AS). The wisdom of this, I will not tell you, because it is not the issue at hand.

Uthman bin Affan (RA), refused to perform Ummrah without all of the muslims under their leader (AS), performing it. Even though, the Makkans were encouraging bin Affan to do so. Umar bin Khattab drew his sword and proclaimed that he will slaughter who ever says that Muhammad (AS) is dead. But when Abi bakr, recited the verse of Qur'an where the Lord of the Worlds says that if Muhammad dies, will you turn back from a religion that is pure? Umar came to his senses and not the remain in the emotional rage that you find in todays people.

Ope_emi, I am sure you believe in what you believe in. If not, it will be plain foolishness to remain in it. However, because you do not know, following what you wre born into, however beautifully preached, if it has no substance in its hancoring in One true God, it is pure waste!

As much as the muslims love Muhammad (AS), no one will ever mistake him for anything more than a prophet, however noble his place. God is One and always the Only One.

olabowale:

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If God has willed success for you, you will be successful. He will give you all the tools that will make the success a reality for you. Afterall, Abiola, your favorite man was elected the President of Nigeria. Whereas, your favorite father of the Yorubas, with all his conniness and armwringing, Obafemi Awolowo, never smelled that same success, however limited and unaccomplished it was for Abiola.


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Hanging your hope in a man, according to your Bible description of him is full of anger and created many havoc in his youth and full of so much destruction and cried out because he could not bear the mere punishment of men, in his adult and died miserable. If this is your God, then await the reward of your belief, from The true God, Who is Irresistable, in the day of judgement. He punishes and the like of such can not be captured by human mind. Truly you will know then. Enjoy as much as you can. Afterall, this is your paradise, as a Kafr. Unless, you seek truth in worship and God's way is constant.

@Olabowale,
As I always do, I have picked out the ONLY portions of your usually lenghty and empty post that deserves any response.
You see, I am really learning more about this wicked idol that you call allah from your posts, in addition to what I know already about "it's" nature. The more I know, I will boldy tell you and the rest of the world, so you can see that allah is not the same as the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; because God is an unchanging God and his words and nature remain the same from before the beginning of ages to everlasting. While your allah "willed success for some and not others", listen to what the true God said after he created man, He said man is "Very Good". He also said "his thoughts towards men are thoughts of good and not of evil, to bring us to an expected end." The True God WILLs success for EVERY man and woman but achieving it depends on how we exercise His WILL. It is obvious that your understanding of success does not extend beyond material possession; but the success of true God includes not only earthly success but also success of the everlasting soul of man!!!!!!.

Have you not heard of the Ibo proverb that "Nearly no dey kill bird" (?), your buddy buddy Abiola was 'elected' president but never assumed the throne because his previous evil works caught up with him. The same people with whom he looted were the same ones who frustrated him to death. Talk about the wickedness of a man catching up with him . But thank God you yourself even know that, "politically", Awolowo can be described as the father of Yorubas. Even though he was not elected President, his achievement and reputation as of today (decades after his death) are still speaking fom him. Now, we have Awolowo factor in politics, have you ever heard of Abiola factor?. Awolowo was described as the 'Best President Nigeria Never Had'; but sex-obsessed philandering Abiola was described appropriately as the 'Worst President Nigeria Never Had.' People supported the principle of June 12, not Abiola; a man who could not even manage his family, how could he manage a nation. But Awolowo or Abiola, they are both not my business neither am I interested in your beef with Awolowo, sort it out with Oluwole.

Probably, you are reading the version of the bible you have upside down, because we would like to know where he "wrecked havoc and destruction". Or are you mistaking him for Muhammed?; the man who is acclaimed to have brought nothing good to the world other than violence, hatred, intolerance, deception and bloodshed. Mahatma Ghandi said "if all Christians could be like Jesus Christ, he would become one"; can any sane person say the same about Muhammed. In fact, if just 0.00001% of muslims are anything like muhammed, the world would have been in more greater danger than it is now. Yes Jesus Christ is God, very strict, bold, all powerful but humble, who though is in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. But made Himself of no reputation, and was made in the likeness of man. And being made in the form of man, he humbed himself, even obedient unto death on the cross. And He is highly exalted and given a name that is above every name that is named in heaven, on earth or under the earth. And that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. It is this faith in Jesus that separates the world of faith into the Sheeps under the protection of that great sheperd (Jesus Christ) in One Fold; and the Goats who'll rather believe in all sorts of deities who cannot save themselves.

Havila:

Probably, you are reading the version of the bible you have upside down, because we would like to know where he "wrecked havoc and destruction". Or are you mistaking him for Muhammed?; the man who is acclaimed to have brought nothing good to the world other than violence, hatred, intolerance, deception and bloodshed.

Oh sir Olabowale has been watching too much national geographic channel! Obviously he's been taking all the lies and deciet from those who claim to have discovered the gnostic gospels hook line and sinker! Plenty of excuse for ignorant and spiritually blind muslims to attempt to equate Jesus with their mass murderer erroneously reffered to as a prophet!

I always noticed this unwarranted anger and hatred in your replies to Bro. Olabowale and the rest of us. It is gradually becoming a vindication of your vulnerability in defending your blindly followed deity. You are only christians because you never had options at childhood and you now realised that you are stucked with it and so had to defend it. But Christianity doesnt make sense at all and we all know that. we said it subtly because we are fully convinced about what we are saying but you reply aggressively and harshly because you lack real substances in your arguements.

As you celebrate the Birth of Prophet Jesus today, i pray to Almighty Allah to guide and protect all of us and show us the righteous path not the path of those who goes astray. Indeed we are all pawns in the sight of the Creator but we were given freewill to choose good from evil and to follow the right course.

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta ala is my witness that i have called you all to the Right Path, Ad deen nil Islama. May Allah Bless us all, Amen

belloti:

I always noticed this unwarranted anger and hatred in your replies to Bro. Olabowale and the rest of us. It is gradually becoming a vindication of your vulnerability in defending your blindly followed deity. You are only christians because you never had options at childhood and you now realised that you are stucked with it and so had to defend it. But Christianity doesnt make sense at all and we all know that. we said it subtly because we are fully convinced about what we are saying but you reply aggressively and harshly because you lack real substances in your arguements.

As you celebrate the Birth of Prophet Jesus today, i pray to Almighty Allah to guide and protect all of us and show us the righteous path not the path of those who goes astray. Indeed we are all pawns in the sight of the Creator but we were given freewill to choose good from evil and to follow the right course.

All this hiding under the banner of "angry and hateful" replies just shows you up for the hypocrite you are. These are not hateful replies but truthful observations that are too hard for spiritually blind people to comprehend. Your hearts have been seared with a hot iron that the truth appears to you as words of hate. It is an effective tool employed by your idol to keep you in bondage to this malevolent evil called islam!
You claim we lack real susbstance in our arguments, you forget to concur that your hate manual aka quran lacks any modicum of real substance and is nothing but a collection of plagiarised fairy tales and hateful poems.

We do not celebrate the birth of "prophet" Jesus, but we celebrate the gift of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. It is our hope that someday His spirit will touch you and open your eyes! Are youreally given "freewill" or is this another attempt at sugar-coating your idol woship by yet again plagiarising a biblical concept?
Does Islam really believe in "freewill"? Have you heard of honor killings? What of those who are killed for changing religions? The hanging of children for crimes against chastity? Oppression in Indonesia, Iran, Palestine? Why are muslims allowed to build mosques in Rome and churches are not allowed in Saudi Arabia?
And you talk about "Freewill"? Is that not hypocrisy and deciet?

Yes you are all pawns, not in the hands of the "Creator" but in the hands of a demon!

belloti:

I always noticed this unwarranted anger and hatred in your replies to Bro. Olabowale and the rest of us.

@Belloti,
Before you can discern what makes sense from what does not, you must first of all demostrate that you have 'the sense' and 'capacity' to 'discern' that difference. Because of your accusations, I have tried to outline some very few quotes from the various utterances of your uncle to which approprate responses were always respectfully given. Check them out!!!:

olabowale:

@Havila,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You see the pattern of your reasoning?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You will not like to be my enemy.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You can not see, even as you have perfect sight. You can not hear, even as your hearing is very acute.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Afterall, this is your paradise, as a Kafr.!

olabowale:

@Havila:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,If we disappear, people like you will run rabid,,,,,,,running amock!

I have never seen a more skidish person, as you. You are very stubbort and cling desperately to your ignorance. !

Stick to the subject, havila. Then you will not have a glove off, tongue lashing from me.
,,,,,,,,,,,,To me you are a nobody.

olabowale:

@Havila:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,even though you are a specialist in your field of study, it all amounts to limited knowledge!

Now Belloti, having read them; for somebody like you with selective reasoning or probably selective dyslexia induced by your ignoble desire "to always be on the side of truth" even before knowing what is truth or not; how credible or sensible do you think is your claim of knowing what makes sense and what does not? It is an absolutely senseless claim with no credibility, as demostrated. You simply closed your "reasoning" and your "eyes" to the campaing of calumny and aggression being waged by your fellow 'jammat' against everybody who dare oppose him, as much as we've tried to maintain peace; but turn around to talk of "unwarranted replies." So much for an islamic scholar! If you, a supposedly "educated" muslim, behaves like this; what do you think differentiates you from all the uneducated "almajiris" who kill and attack anybody over a "cartoon they've never even seen"? Absolutely nothing. Don't you see that you've imbibed and demostrated the same 'closed reasoning' whereby your sense of justice, reasoning, education and scholarship goes to sleep; and you are controlled by the unreasonable desire to defend "my brother", even though he is the aggressor!!

Belloti, you are a disappointment indeed; because I had thought you probably represent the new younger generation of muslims who still allow their God given intellect to direct them; but alas, you are the just same, only presenting a facade!!! How can you then talk of "freewill"? You obviously don't have any "freewill" because you've submitted it to the Imam at your 'masjid'. So how do you think you can know/discern the good from the evil you are in called Islam?. Don't you see how transparent you've become!!. God knows you have potentials Belloti, but you need to change your company. I am not talking of your faith or belief now; but just being in an environment where you are encouraged to think for yourself will help you in collecting your so-called "freewill" back from your 'masjid'. Then you can actually know the evil in which you are clinging on to. Dont take this as a personal attack, this is just an analysis of your behavious and what you've said. Having explain your type of reasoning, the rest of your posts and questions makes perfect sense,,,,,,,It is a product of a mind completely devoid of understanding because the freewill or discerning capacity is absent. Merry Christmas, Jesus is Lord!.

Keep your Jesus off my Penis
by Eric Schwartz

Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you

Well I'm frickin' sick and tired
Of turning on the news
And seeing the religious right's
Ungodly fight to take our right to choose
When to bear our children
Who to love and how
Education and protection
If we're just practicing for now
So dubya look obey a book
If that's what works for you
But I don't tell you how to pray
So don't tell me how to screw

Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you

So you're screaming bloody murder
'Bout the taliban regime
For subjugating women
And being too extreme
And basing legislation
On some ancient holy book
Does that sound a bit familiar?
Here's a mirror, have a look

And as for the ten commandments
They need one more at least
Thou shall never cover up
The acts of pervert priests
How'd they let that happen
Unless they just abhor us
Well anyway it adds
Another layer to the chorus

Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you

So you'll execute a person
And protect a single cell
But mercy-kill the terminally ill
And you're goin' straight to hell
I don't know much about
The word of God
Far be it from me
But I can tell you what it ain't -
Hypochristianity

I am not anti-Christian
Before you grab a rope
There is beauty in religion
And joy and love and hope
We're all looking for an answer
Some colossal cosmic cause
But who the Bleep are you
To turn your views into my laws?
It's just believers in the bible
That would have abortion banned
Anti-choice agnostics?
I could count'em on one hand
And as for killing babies
I have but one retort
If someone raped your daughter George
You'd beg her to abort

And if some young girl from your church
Shows up with child or some infection
`Cuz you taught her what a horrid sin
It was to use protection
One day you'll face the pearly gates
And whatchu gonna say
When that long-haired Jewish peacenick
Sends your ass the other way sayin'

Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
I've had it up to here
With all the biblibile you spew
Keep your Jesus off my penis
(at least that's what I would do)
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis off of you
That's if'n you want me to

Nice stuff, Havila. i will reply you later. Its your yuletide period and i just want to give you some breather to celebrate the birth of Prophet Jesus, Alayhis Salam. And i am not going to consider your reply a personal attack, not any more. Its a part of you i can not change.

@Belloti

What has Jesus to do with Christmas?

It is Santa Claus time of year, Old Nick

Ho Ho Ho Ho , Merry Christmas

@Topic Nobody is begging you to be a christian. You can be a muslim or better stil a Buddhist

Or even better still a simple human being