belloti:

I can see Havila is the only reasonable reply i ve got.

Havila, i started with a lot of regards for the christians here. my intention definitely is not to ridicule but to be better informed from the horses mouth. But your reply was basically another exercise in futility.

1. I don't believe jesus ever claimed to be God. And if he does i can't see why anyoner should have believed him knowing fully that God is much bigger than any human imagination
2. You based your arguement on some books that were never credible neither were they even sensible.
4. You finally close your arguement with some unsolicited insult on Prophet Muhammad (SAW or PBUH) and Islam. That was very uncomplimentary especially from someone i have some respect for

@Belloti,
You are just a bundle of contradictions; and this is seriously imparing your ability to accept the truth. You KNOW that my initial response to your 'opinion' is very "reasonable" BUT you choose not to go with it because of your anger at what has been said about Muhammed thereby saying it is "an exercise in futility". Take it or leave it, truth will always be the truth regardless of how you feel about it and there is no other way of declaring te truth.
Whether you, Belloti, believe Jesus is God is immaterial: God the Father said of Lord Jesus the Son, in the taurat/Torah, that "In Zion have I laid a rock of offense, a stumbling block; and those who believe in Him shall be saved." The Divinity of Jesus Christ has been a rock of offense to those who are gendered into bondage as Ishmael from the bondwoman Hagar (Ref: Galatians 4 vs 21-28) which is why the scriptures say in 1st Corinthians 1 vs 18 that: "The preaching of the Cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved, it is the power of God."
Why is it that the narrow-minded response from muslims is always that a book is not credible, yet you have no evidence of how it is different from the original? If there is any book that lacks any iota of credibility, it is that bundle of oxymorons and contradictions called the QURAN. A book of plagiarism being used to lead you into hell by denying the only route of salvation. It is absurd because the Quran describes Jesus as the MESSIAH or Al-Mashi in Surah 4:157,171 and 172; It called Jesus Kalimatullah - i.e the Word of God - in Surah 3:45; called Him Ruhun-minhu or Ruhullah - i.e the Very Spirit of God - in Surah 4:171, 58:22; attests to miraculous virgin birth of Jesus in Surah 19:20; attests to the many miracles of Jesus in Surah 3:119, 5:113; attests to it that Jesus ascended into Heaven in Surah 4:158, etc. BUT the Quran "Choose" to Deny the only route of salvation which is His crusifixion and His divinity despite the fact that historical and eye-witness accounts of this exists in Judaism, Christianity but denied by an ideology that came almost 1000 years afterwards. How is the Word of God and the Very Spirit of God different from God??
Dont you suspect something false in this contradictory ideology that Muhammed is trying to sell to you, to lead you into damnation just like himself? Dont you know that even your Quran says the followers of Jesus are Superior in Surah 3:45? Muhammed and Islam are both ANATHEMA (i.e Accursed) because he attempts to get credibility for his ideology called Islam using the life and teachings of Jesus Christ; but choose to deny Jesus His due glory of Sonship, His Sacrifice on the Cross and His Divinity, in other to propagate his own ideology. Muhammed is not different from all the false prophets like Jim Jones, the guy in Waco Texas, Guru Maharaji, Buddah, etc who are all agents of the Anti-Christ with the only purpose of leading ignorant souls into eternal damnation by denying the ONLY route to Salvation.
I am a respecter of the Divine Revelation and divine principles; but not a respecter of persons. Jesus is not just a prophet, He is the Divine Revelation; (I think the oxymoronic quran is the revelation in Islam, right?); He is the Redemption; Christians are therefore released from the enslavement or curse of sin and the resulting divine wrath. This Redemption is effected for those "who believe" through His blood, i.e, by Jesus Christ's atonement secured by His death on the Cross.
I have quoted from the quran to show you the contradictions in it about Jesus; and I have quoted variously from the true scriptures, both the Torah and the New Covenat Gosples for revelation. You can't use your wisdom confounded by a life time of indoctrination in the local masjid to understand this; but God in His infinite love and mercy will open your eyes, not only you but other muslims reading it, so you can be the light into your various families of the true source of Salvation. God bless and give you understanding.

Thank you Havila, ol' chap, thank you. Couldn't have done a better job.

@dayokenu

There is a time to be silent and a time to explain, lest the machinations of the devil comes to pass
on the lives of weaker brethren. I am not ignorant of the real instigator of this thread. These are
evil times

Many thanks again Havila

@ Havila
Where you once a muslim now regarded as a Mushrikun??/
You gave it all the best i could ever mutter out.

mrpataki:

@ Havila
Where you once a muslim now regarded as a Mushrikun??/

@mrpataki
No!, I was never a muslim; but my father and my the paternal relations were, but they've all converted to Christianity to the glory of God. Additionally, I have personally researched Islam variously, including advanced research materials on Islam from a global leadership training institute in Hawaii, USA. The fact is most muslims don't know Islam because they are not encouraged to; it is sufficient to just learn from the mullahs at the local masjid. Thus it is relatively easy to keep the truth from them; but that is now our responsiblity as believer who love muslims; to research and expose the deception of Islam, and to tell them the truth about the true salvation that comes only by faith, and not through "works" or "sunnah." Unfortunately, there is no politically-correct way to say the truth. Remember: "The Just shall live by faith" (Habakuk 2 vs 4)

@Havila: In the chapter named Mary in the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty says that all the disbelievers (None muslims) will be herded like cattle (the cattle being herded to graze or drink), into Fire of Hell. In the chapter named The Height in the Qur'an, Allah says that those who are dwellers of Hell will be asked if the Promise of The Lord of the World is true. They will say Yes, it is true. Havila, I pity the soul that perish without the Mercy of Allah. These are the Souls that deny the messengers of their times. In our present time, we fall under the group of mankind who have Muhammad (AS) as the Messenger. This period from the time that Muhammad (AS) declared his prophethood to Mankind and it will cover the end of time. Believe it or not, it will not change the decree of the Most Powerful and His punishment of the evildoers (This includes disbelievers as the chief of them and the hypocrites, etc), is true and will be hard!

If you think that you have done your folks who left Islam any favor, you are completely wrong. I pray that none of them have died on the path of confusion you have led them. I pray that they will come to see that you are a test/trial to them. This is a clear way that the evil one seduces mankind. I pray that you do not die on the believe that Jesus is going to save you. In the day of Judgement, Jesus (AS) will be very concern with his own soul. Can you imagine the kind of difficulty that you people in Christendom have heaved on him, claiming him to be god by some and yet some, son of god! You can even agree on a version of fantastic delutional fantasy of lie! Yet, you have the Jehovah's witnesses saying that he is no more than a prophet. Further, you have the latter day saints saying that Joseph Smith and some angel Moroni is continuing Jesus's mission. Then where is Saul/Paul in all of this?

On December 20, CNN will present a program titled, After Jesus, the First Christians. The trailler indicates alot of violence. You need to watch it or at least delegate Davidylan. In one of your early entries, you said that the dead sea scroll explained away the authenticity of the verbatim, (Word for word) of the Bible. In a program that Dr. Reverend James Kennedy, of The Coral Ridge Hour (www.crm.tv), presented to discredit the Davinci code, it was declared that the dead sea scroll has nothing to do with christianity. Now I will like to see you get out of this one.

If your religion, with all of the 'Brains in academic and worldly achievents that you always believe that is exclusively belonging to the christians, the large military and economical advantages over the Muslims, (The group and religion that you hate so much), got it all wrong and have failed to correct it through the ages, the Birth day of Jesus. I wonder how many complex matters in religion that you have wrong. Infact what do you get right? Jesus never built, participated or commission or command the building any house of worship. How do you people arrive at a place call Church? How do you chose the name christians and christianity? Oh, since Jesus had nothing to do with it, it was some one or group of people who coined up that name. Oh yes, I forgot, they are "Inspired" What an easy way out. And please stop quoting to us the Corianthian, Galathian and the likes. It shows the depth of your confusion.

By the way have a good Sunday!!!!. Also have a happy 'Merry Christimas'. Do not eat too much Swine. As you know, you are what you eat. As a Doctor, you should know the tremendous amount of potential desaster and deaseases in the Host animal that you love to eat that much. For an Epidemiologist like you to be stingy even more than Ijebu people ( I am an Ijebu man, so I am not discriminating against anyone, but myself and that is impossible), then you deserve what ever you get from that filthy meat!

Havila, you know I still love you. Phewwww!!!!

@ olabowale

I have read the history of the church and I know the persecution as it occured. The Christian were persecuted by The roman emperors and when Religion entered into the state all christians that did not worship "CHRISTIANITY OF THE STATE" were persecuted not only this there were so many other small religions some escaped to other parts of the world.

The creation of islam is one that occurred 600 years After Christ departure. you must know that Islam was created in replication to provide an opposition or dissent religious force. The true and purest form of Islam is when the Sharia is adhered strictly to. There is no pure form of Islam if you dont have it as a state religion.

The problems between Muslims is clearly seen that There are extrmist that beleive that the full laws of the Hadith Quran and Sharia should be practised. The purest form of Islam does not allow alot of things so they strive to populate the state UMMAH and this has political power to take over the whole region they occupy. some of the Big shots in the Arab/Islamic world own alot of properties in western worlds and yet the followers of this people know and they are angry and what to overthrow this leaders.

The Birth of Terror Suspect OSAMA BIN LADEN was built on the fact that no infidel Army should be present in the holy land Saudia Arabia, If you know very well that Osama Bin Laden was built by the USA to destroy the CCCP Grip On Afghanistan. They Recruited alot of other people and some of who carried out recent the bombings in Kenya and parts of east Africa. This people were trained by the USA. The USA did not create the hatred they only helped to water it because they wanted to bring down the Soviets Occupation of Afghanistan.

The pure form Christianity has nothing to do with politics infact it has nothing to do with military or any arm of Governing just look at Jesus life you will see what i am saying. The True Islam is filled with hate verses.

Regards
my brother
sanmi

@Backslider: Long time. How is Ghana treating you. If I have to take your word for it. Which part of the Bible should I read that is written or dictated directly by jesus? Should I then read the"According to" memos or statement or stories from a man who could not give his full name? This same name did not tell us the chain of his narration. How far down the line he is from Jesus and who are between him and Jesus. There connections and trustworthiness in how they got the story from Jesus. Anyway you should know that Jesus was not a Christian and never built a single house of worship and did not tell any to build after his assension.

Just because Islam of Muhammad came 600 years after Jesus does not mean that it is wrong or that it is disconnected from the Islam of the prophets before him (AS to all). Allah says in the Qur'an that He has completed Islam on Muhammad and his followers, alive with him. This tells you that Islam was, before it was completed on Muhammad. You will find this verse in the beginning part of Chapter 5, Al Maidah. Muhammad says that he was the answer to the prayer of Ibrahiim after Ibrahiim and Ismail built The Ka'aba, in Makka. This is in Chapter known as Ibrahiim. There you will find the prayer. Also, you will find in the Qur'an where Allah says that He took a covenant, as a oath from the Prophets, Jesus and all others back to Adam (AS to all), that when His Messenger comes and if any is alive, hearing that this Messenger has started his ministry, will they aid and support him. They all said yes. The sign of that Messengership is that he will confirm in the same light what has been given to the prophet who is alive is given. So in the case of Jesus, Muhammad defended his mother's Chastity. His immaculate birth and his many miracles. This include his speaking just only one time to defend his mother's honor when he was a child still in the cradle. This include him saying that his death will be a peaceful death, unlike the ghastly tragic death that christendom assigned to him, which woulde have accursed his soul, the true intention of the Jews wanting him to die through crucifixion. This include the big lies of the christians saying that he is god or son of God, etc.  You can read Suratul Mariam and others to learn about these truth. Please stop all the nonsense. If you want to remain in Christianity, continue, you will find out at the point of death the consequences of your choice.

@olabowale

I was working on my personal projects and thanks for the concern. Back to business. The Christ that the bible talked about was withnessed by people around him because out of 2 or more wittness a truth is established. Look at Christ and look at his Character and then look at another Character like Muhamed.

Look at the bible a book written over a span 4000 years Due dillingence is done with time and it took Jesus Christ (Not The one you have in the quran).

We were created in The Image of God
God gave us Choice in The bible
Attonement is Different In the bible ( by blood)
there are many differences and I can say that our relatioship with God through the books is different

Its disappoiting to say the least how some of you respondent to this thread. If we carefully analyse all the previous topics they were more or less a direct attack on Islam and Muslims. We entertained some of your fears and replied your questions to the best of our abilities with all fairness. Just for once i now seek to understand the christians doctrine and all of a sudden you exposed you apparent vulnerability. looking so lost and confused waiting for someone to rescue you. It was a very simple trajectory, "In my opinion Christianity is wrong". we have Topics like Islam is terrorism, Islam or Muslims are bad and lot many. It doesnt look stupid to us because you are only saying your opinion and we gave you some cool replies.

To be frank with you i am now more convinced that you really are not sure of your faith. I know most of you are only christian because you inherited it without asking questions. At the age of 5 a muslim start Quranic and Arabic classes and at 10 you are fully matured enough to know what you dealing with. You start advance study in books like Qawaidussalat, Ahdari, Ishmawi, Qurdabi, Arrisalat, etc and by the time you get to 18, its pretty obvious you know the basic concept of your sojourn on earth. Our Holy Prophet majo emphasis is seek knowledge even if it takes you to China (using china as a reference).

Its time for all of us here to go back to the libraries and bookshops. we are only responsible for our lives and one day we shall surely give account

@belloti:

Please, don't give me that bull**** speech. If you were really trying to understand Christianity and its doctrines, you wouldn't have brushed off every Christians post/explanations on doctrines you don't understand. If at all, you'd have treated the explanations objectively and be ready to accept the explanations from a Christian perspective. Let's face it, you already had it in your mindset that Christianity was wrong, with no real thought to it, before you opened this thread. And as such, since the explanations given by Christians does not/did not fit into your pre-conceived agenda, you arrive at shitty conclusions. Now who's fooling who?

@belloti:

Please, don't give me that bull**** speech. If you were really trying to understand Christianity and its doctrines, you wouldn't have brushed off every Christians post/explanations on doctrines you don't understand. If at all, you'd have treated the explanations objectively and be ready to accept the explanations from a Christian perspective. Let's face it, you already had it in your mindset that Christianity was wrong, with no real thought to it, before you opened this thread. And as such, since the explanations given by Christians does not/did not fit into your pre-conceived agenda, you arrive at shitty conclusions. Now who's fooling who?

There you go again gbadex, but you should know that am not the only muslim member of this forum and who knows may be your positive insights might just save some few souls (?) . I think just like we try to do on islamic issues you also owe us this particular clarification.

@gbadex

You cannot use hatred to win a hate religion. The Islam I know very well is not peaceful the purest form of it is not peaceful atleast from their books. Any infidel nation must be attacked and turn to Islam that is the Crust of Islam. If you dont accept Islam you will be dealt with.

This religion has alot of hate when you throw hate at them they will only have more hate you need to keep explaining to him and if he dies in his sin then you have done your best. If you read the Quran very well you see what I am saying and read the hadith also. You notice that when you point out quotes from the hadith they may tell you that it is not authentic or some excuse. When you tell them about some moral issues that the Quran and Islam Skips you will wonder why people are stilling worshiping islam.

When I was Younger I was Listening to a Mullah and he said during war Soldiers are allowed to take temporary Wives (prostitute) This is a Book that project Immorality listen to Jesus the saviour of our souls. He was Moral and holy. You just let the freedom of expression women in Western Democracy be Practiced in Islamic nation you will be Shocked What abomination you will see among Islamic Moralist. you will see

MOTHER SLEEPING WITH SON
SISTER SLEEPING WITH BROTHER
FATHER SLEEPING WITH DAUGHTER

So many things will be revealed The abomination of desolation read the Bible look at the midle east Jesus said when you see that Isreal is surrounded know that the end is near. Just dont you wonder why America attacked Iraq That is Babylon the great. Look at all the nations that wil partake in the end scene it was iraq that had not been brought in fully.

Just watch the Middle east and you will be shocked at the happenings Islamic Leaders Have isreali or Isreali trained guards as their body guards you wonder What the Islamic leaders are Afraid of They are fighting Isreal and they have isreali guards Protecting them.


@belloti

Answering you is hard because you are a man that you dont want to meet the man that has the world in his palm JESUS in the bible we were created by God in his image. in your Quran there is a Difference. You have a diff religion and the more you know the better you can understand the difference just as you have btween maths and english.

Backslider:

MOTHER SLEEPING WITH SON
SISTER SLEEPING WITH BROTHER
FATHER SLEEPING WITH DAUGHTER

proof pls

backslider,

u posted this

[b]@gbadex

You cannot use hatred to win a hate religion. The Islam I know very well is not peaceful the purest form of it is not peaceful atleast from their books. Any infidel nation must be attacked and turn to Islam that is the Crust of Islam. If you don't accept Islam you will be dealt with.

This religion has alot of hate when you throw hate at them they will only have more hate you need to keep explaining to him and if he dies in his sin then you have done your best. If you read the Quran very well you see what I am saying and read the hadith also. You notice that when you point out quotes from the hadith they may tell you that it is not authentic or some excuse. When you tell them about some moral issues that the Quran and Islam Skips you will wonder why people are stilling worshiping islam.

When I was Younger I was Listening to a Mullah and he said during war Soldiers are allowed to take temporary Wives (prostitute) This is a Book that project Immorality listen to Jesus the saviour of our souls. He was Moral and holy. You just let the freedom of expression women in Western Democracy be Practiced in Islamic nation you will be Shocked What abomination you will see among Islamic Moralist. you will see

MOTHER SLEEPING WITH SON
SISTER SLEEPING WITH BROTHER
FATHER SLEEPING WITH DAUGHTER[/b]

have u for one day go through your bible and see the level of incest perpetrated there, the killing spree , prostitution, etc, or u want to show you from the bible? it is high u admitted that your bible is nothing but a pornographic book, etc.

OR YOU WANT TO DEFEND MY POSTS THAT U DONT HAVE SUCH IN YOUR BIBLE.

also can you clarify the issue of God's image in your own understandig.

TRUTH HAS COME, FALSEHOOD WILL PERISH.

ACCEPT THE TRUTH TODAY, JOIN THE RE;LIGION OF THE WISE

@ babs787
Indeed it is foolishness to argue with the foolish.
No amount of words here can change you Philistines.
Such a shame.

Join the religion of the bomb attackers?, Religion of Child Rapist, Religion of world renowned terrorists, religion of slavery and bondage, religion of deception and lies, religion of delight to kill for the 72 women that you are made to believe waiting for you in heaven
YOU MUST BE SO EASY TO BRAINWASH TO BELIEVE YOU KNOW IT ALL.

@ mrpataki

You still dont get the point here. Tell us about the alternative and stop getting angry.

I have once addressed you belloti, as well as Havila done the same to you, but i gues you would rather prefer to argue it rather than sitting and opening your heart to recieve the truth.
The only alternative is simple and plain, and thats JESUS the way, the truth and the life. In him we live and have our being. HE is the sole alternative to reconcile man back to his Maker, not your Islam, where you are only told what to do and you must not question your prophets for it.
Following Jesus is not a religion, it is a way of life that you live, not that you are told of.

olabowale:

@Havila:
(1) If you think that you have done your folks who left Islam any favor, you are completely wrong.
(2) On December 20, CNN will present a program titled, After Jesus, the First Christians. The trailler indicates alot of violence. You need to watch it or at least delegate Davidylan. In one of your early entries, you said that the dead sea scroll explained away the authenticity of the verbatim, (Word for word) of the Bible. In a program that Dr. Reverend James Kennedy, of The Coral Ridge Hour (www.crm.tv), presented to discredit the Davinci code, it was declared that the dead sea scroll has nothing to do with christianity. Now I will like to see you get out of this one.

@Olabowale and rest of 'jammat',
I thought your period of absence was to do some more research at the local masjid, which should give you better insight into the obvious danger in which you've decided to keep you and your family; but alas, you are still the same ol'ignorant chap! How I wish muhammed could get a message back to you folks from his deep pit of hell, about the falsehood he has sold to you. However, since satan has finished using him, but still needs some more neighbours in hell, he will prevent Muhammed from sending message to you guys. But we will continue to tell the truth as we've been commanded by Lord Jesus and taught by the apostles because of our love for your salvation; even though you are all inside an obvious "rebellion" against the true God called "Islam."
The reason a lot of you guys always argue ignorantly is because the deepest research you do personally is sitting down and listening, either in front of television (CNN) or listen to the mullahs at the local masjid . You arguements in such cases are always shallow, and when we tell you analytical issues obtained from your quran or the Bible, you scream it is not true, because you simplydo not know!!!. What do you know about the dead sea scrolls, apart from what you heard on the CNN? Absolutely nothing!! You see, the dead sea scrolls have everything to do with christianity and also have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.!! Confused?? Relax, let me explain.
The dead sea scrolls were written by some Assenine Jews who were a deeply dedicated monks of Judaism in a little town called QUMRAN (not quran!! note) just outside Jerusalem. They separated from the mainstream Judaism synagogues of Jerusalem and decided to live a secluded lifestyle outside Jerusalem to medidate, pray etc. They wrote the Scrolls which we now called the Dead Sea Scrolls, because of the "caves" where they were found on the shores of the "dead seas". When the Roman Army came and invaded Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews including the Assenine monks of Qumran, some of them hid the scrolls in the cave to preserve their teachings and way of life for the future generation. The scrolls were discovered couple of decades ago by some sheperds. The scrolls were discovered to contain same writings in the books of Torah, including Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc and others showing their way of life and philosophy. The Assinine were known to be such a gentle, truthful sect who rebelled against the corruption of the mainstream Pharisees and Rabbi in the mainstream synagoues of Judaism; in fact it is believed that some of thre teachings of Jesus Christ were influenced by the peaceful teachings of the Assinine Jews of Qumran. This particularly include the beatitudes or teachings of Jesus Christ recorded in the book of Matthew Chapter 5-6 in the Gospel e.g Blessed by the meek,,,,,,blessed be the hungry,,,,,,blessed be the peacemaker,,,etc.
Why did I say it has everything to do with Christianity? Because Christianity has it's root in Judaism and it's legalistic approach as shown by the Mosaic Laws. The Judaistic Legalism or Law simply serves one purpose; this is to convict of guilt of sin and thus lead sinners to Jesus Christ; without the law there is no sin, thus the law convict of sin. But the law cannot save or make righteous; that salvation only comes through faith. Habakuk 2:4 "The Just shall live by faith"(not by law) The Torah contains in various parts books or promise and prophesies of the Coming of Jesus Christ
But Why did I say it has nothing to do with Christianity again? Because the dead sea scrolls contains the laws; Salvation however is not by the laws or works or sunnah, but ONLY by faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ says in John 14:6 that "I am the way, the truth and the life, and no man cometh to the father but by the Son." Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law i.e He is the highest revelation or the Purpose of the law. That is why Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:17 that "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Do you now see that it is easy to get out of "this one", because wisdom is a gift of God. When you read and research the scriptures because you want to know God more personally, He will give you wisdom and revelations to defeat the lies of the devil. I think you should now contact the man who did the programe and educate him with what you now know. But you too can conduct your own independent research, ,,,,but that is going to be a hard work, right? Since it is easier to just go and ask the equally ignorant Mullah at your masjid! Talk about the blind leading other blinds straight into the ditch!!

NB: By the way, it was not me who did my family members who left the darkness called Islam any favour; it is God in His infinite mercies. I have absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact my father left Islam before I was born. But I thank God for that, because with my enthusiasim for Jesus Christ through the grace of God, I would have been a danger to the world as a muslim, probably a suicide bomber. But God has a greater purpose for my life than for me to be an instrument in the hand of the devil through Islam. Seek wisdom my friends, and it shall find you!!!

Just the word Havila,
May God bless you, may you be a shining example of the gospel of truth to this philistines. Really, i pray that does who will listen and change will occur from what you have just written out here.
I have said my own bit and yours too hope they get to see the light and know how lovely it is to walk with the Lord!!!!

@ bab787

You see you are know no that the times this was mentioned in the bible God dealt with Isreal as a state so there alot of effort by God to establish a state Theocratic rule. It is this Islam and some Other religions of the World tried to copy. Even When Christ left State tried to make Jesus Way of life a State religion but it will never work it has never worked. You accept Jesus as your PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIUOR.

Jesus brought a personal Tie back to God ( religion means tie back) In the old testament you saw God dealing with Nations more than individuals and when he did deal with individuals he used it to save so many people. God put the Old Testament there for it show the difference between his Son and those of his prophet how this was Abasing to The Royalty of The GOD HEAD BUT YOU SEE THE GOD IN THE BIBLE IS VERY MEEK AND HUMBLE SO THAT HE TOOK UP HUMAN FORM TO COME TO EARTH AND BE HUMAN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE HIM AND FOLLOW HIS WAYS TO HEAVEN.

@ errone,

i'm sorry if my previous post sounded hateful to the muslim in here, although it wasn't my intention. Let me just say i got pissed. aight, my bad.

Now belloti, the point i was trying to make from my previous post is that, how can you gain knowledge if you continually shut your mind and thinking from that knowledge? Ok, you and other muslims have stated why u feel Christianity's wrong. The onus now lies/lied on we Christians to tell you and other muslims WHY CHRISTIANITY IS RIGHT, which we (Havila, Backslider, mrpataki, me, david, babyosisi, TayoD e.t.c) have done, not just in this thread but numerous others!!!

The onus now lies on you muslims whether you want to be receptive with an objective mind or not.


@ Havila:

you know, our family backgrounds are very similar. My Dad was a muslim before he became a Christian. He and his brothers became Christians. One of my joys till this very day is that before he passed away, he sat me down and we had a good talk. In the long run, i became born again that day. That was a year b4 his transition to glory, i think.

I really wish this people(Belloti, Babs787, Olabowale and co) will just open their heart of understanding to recieve the truth.
Thanks for stating it out here Gbade.

You dont need to be sorry for stating the truth to this peeps even Jesus at a point in time had to use a rod to wipe out business minded people that were polluting the house of God all in the name of making business rigjt inside the church. Not to now talk of this blasphemers who will never listen to you at all.

Men of reprobate minds.

@backslider,

are u saying jesus is the same thing as God. if so, then we need to open another thread on the topic "IS JESUS GOD" . with that we will be able to shed more light on that.

gbade.x.

u said the truth. what truth are you referring to?

now to the rest. this is all about incest . pls tell where in the Holy Quran we have such, and please dont try to waive it that its the old testament whatever cos jesus said he did not come to abolish any law. so what do u have to say to these what morals do these teach. it was researched by Mzyeai.

Sex in the Bible


Genesis
1. "And Adam knew his wife; and she conceived." This is the first sexual intercourse mentioned in the Bible. Of course it resulted in a baby boy. 4:1
2. "And Cain knew his wife." That's nice, but where the hell did she come from? The Bible doesn't mention any of Cain's sisters. Well, maybe he married his mom. In any case, Cain and the mysterious Mrs. Cain have a son (another blue cigar!). His name is Enoch and he builds a city (population 3). 4:17
3. "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son." Way to go Adam! 4:25
4. "There were giants in the earth in those days." And they had sex with "the daughters of men." 6:4
5. The "just and righteous" Noah (6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition and has sex with him. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" he curses not Ham, who "saw the unclothedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he [Canaan] be unto his brethren." 9:20-25
6. Poor Pharaoh couldn't resist the "very fair" Sarai, and he takes her into his harem. (She must have been well preserved, since she was about seventy years old at the time.) 12:15
7. Sarai is the first of a long line of barren women who were desperate for children. (In the Bible, it is the women who are barren, never the men.) She sends Abram into her handmaid, Hagar, so that she can "obtain children by her." Abram gladly complies. 16:1-4
8. God establishes his covenant with Abram: "This is my covenant , every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin." It seems that joysticks are supremely important to god. 17:10-11
9. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:8
10. Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. 19:30-38
11. "The Lord visited Sarah" and he "did unto Sarah as he had spoken." And "Sarah conceived and bare Abraham a son." 21:1-2
12. Abraham makes his servant put his hand under his thigh while swearing to God. Weird. Of course "putting his hand under his thigh" is just a polite euphemism for "holding his testicles in his hand." Come to think of it, maybe it isn't so weird at all -- coming as it does from a god that is completely obsessed with male Instruments. (See Ex.4:25, Lev.15:16-18, 32, and Dt.23:1) for just a few examples.) I guess it's sort of like swearing on the bible. 24:2, 24:9
13. "And the damsel was fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her." (Oh boy!) 24:16
14. Unfortunately the king "looked out a window, and saw, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife." But Isaac grew rich from the lie anyway, just as his father had. 26:8
15. Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. Jacob asks for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives him Leah instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob was fooled until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going in unto. Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" Rachel, too. 29:21-30
16. "Give me children or else I die." Rachel considers herself worthless if she cannot produce children for her husband. But luckily she has an idea. She says to Jacob, "Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her." She solved the problem the same way as did Sarah (16:2). "And Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah coneived, and bare Jacob a son." (These arrangements never seem to produce daughters.) 30:1-4
17. Rachel trades her husband's favors for some mandrakes. And so, when Jacob cam home, Leah said: "Thou must come in unto me, for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night." Presumably God, by telling us this edifying story, is teaching us something about sexual ethics. 30:15-16
18. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
19. "Reuben went and lay with his father's concubine." I wonder why God wants to tell us about it. Maybe he figures that "inquiring minds want to know." 35:22
20. "And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite , and he took her, and went in unto her. And she conceived, and bare a son; and she called his name Er. And she conceived again [I guess Judah must have went in unto her again] and bare a son; and she called hi name Onan." (It seems that the probability of having a biblical daughter is considerably less than 50%.) 38:2-4
21. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and , when he went in unto his brother's wife , he spilled it on the ground, And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
22. Tamar (the widow of Er and Onan, who were killed by God) dresses up as a prostitute and Judah (her father-in-law) propositions her, saying: "Let me come in unto thee , And he , came in unto her, and she conceived by him." From this incestuous union, twins (38:27-28) were born (both were boys of course). One of these was Pharez -- an ancestor of Jesus (Lk.3:33). 38:13-18
23. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
24. Joseph is seduced by Potiphar's wife. He rejects her advances, but she claims he "came in unto" her. 39:7-18
25. God promised to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt (Gen.46:3-4), but God doesn't keep his promise and Jacob dies in Egypt. 49:27
26. Jacob says that Reuben will "not excel" because he "went up to [his] father's couch [had sex with his father's wife]." (see Gen.35:22) 49:4

Exodus
27. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. Luckily for Moses, his Egyptian wife Zipporah "took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he [God] let him go." This story shows the importance of joysticks to God, and his hatred of foreskins. 4:24
28. Moses, like a coach giving instructions to the team before the big game, tells the men to "come not at your wives" before he goes up to Mt. Sinai. 19:15
29. God tells the priests not to go up the steps to the altar "that thy unclothedness not be discovered thereon." (Skirts on stairs are a problem.) 20:26
30. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
31. Aaron makes a golden calf and tells the people to take off their clothes and dance around naked. God then punishes them mercilessly for following their divinely appointed religious leader. 32:1-35
32. "Their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods." God always blames the women; it is they who "go a whoring" and then "make" the men "go a whoring." 34:16

Leviticus
33. Long, tiresome, and disgusting instructions regarding the treatment of men who have a "running issue" out of their "flesh." Very enlightening. "And if he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean , " 15:2-15
34. This passage tells you what to do if you get your "seed of copulation" on yourself, your clothes, or your partner. Thank God this is in the Bible. 15:16-18, 32
35. Don't "uncover the unclothedness" of any of your relatives or neighbors. Just ask them to keep their clothes on while you are around. 18:6-18, 20
36. "Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her unclothedness, as long as she is apart for her uncleanness," Don't even look at a menstruating woman. 18:19
37. Don't "lie with any beast." You probably weren't planning on doing this, but now you know just in case you get the urge sometime. 18:23
38. Don't "go a whoring" after Molech or "commit adultery with him." (Don't you love it when God talks dirty?) 20:5
39. Stay away from people with familiar spirits and don't "go a whoring" after them either. 20:6
40. If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of your must be burned to death. 20:14
41. If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15
42. Don't have sex with your sister, uncle's wife, or your brother's wife -- and tell them to wear clothes whenever you're around. 20:17, 19-21
43. "Neither shall he [the priest] profane his seed among his people." (His seed is holy.) 21:15
44. A man with damaged testicles must not "come nigh to offer the bread of his God." 21:20
45. A man who has a "running issue" or "whose seed goeth from him" , "shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean." 22:3-5 -->

Deuteronomy
46. If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14
47. If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21
48. "If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die." 22:22
49. If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24
50. If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:28
51. "A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt." 22:29
52. You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. 23:1
53. God lays down the law regarding wet dreams. "If there be among you any man that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night , " 23:10
54. If a man dies without having a child, his brother shall "go in unto" his dead brother's wife. If he refuses, the dead man's wife is to loosen his shoe and spit in his face. 25:5-10
55. If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thy eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12
56. "Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife, because he uncovereth his father's skirt." (Why?) 27:20
57. "Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast: and all the people shall say, Amen." 27:21
58. "Cursed be he that lieth with his sister , And all the people shall say, Amen." 27:22
59. "Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law: and all the people shall say, Amen." 27:23
60. "Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her." 28:30

Judges
61. "Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two?" 5:30
62. Samson sees a Philistine woman and tells his parents to "get her for me; for she pleaseth me well." 14:1-3
63. "Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her." 16:1
64. After taking in a traveling Levite, the host offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine to a mob of perverts (who want to have sex with his guest). The mob refuses the daughter, but accepts the concubine and they "abuse her all night." The next morning she crawls back to the doorstep and dies. The Levite puts her dead body on an ass and takes her home. Then he chops her body up into twelve pieces and sends them to each of the twelve tribes of Israel. 19:22-30

Ruth
65. Naomi encourages Ruth to spend the night with Boaz. Ru.3:3-4
66. Ruth lies down next to Boaz after "uncovering his feet." Ru.3:7
67. Ruth tells Boaz to spread his skirt over her. Ru.3:9
68. Ruth lies at "his feet" until morning. Ru.3:14
69. Boaz "goes in unto" Ruth and she conceives a son (King David's grandfather). Ru.4:13

1 Samuel
70. "And Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the Lord remembered her [he probably said something like, "Oh yeah, she's the one whose womb I shut up."]. And Hannah conceived and "bare a son [Oh boy, another boy!], and called his name Samuel." 1:19-20
71. "And the Lord visited Hannah [again], so that she conceived." Did he get her pregnant in the usual way? 2:21
72. The sons of Eli had sex with women "at the door of the tabernacle." 2:22
73. David kills 200 Philistines and brings their foreskins to Saul to buy his first wife (Saul's daughter Michal). Saul had only asked for 100 foreskins, but David was feeling generous. 18:25-27
74. Saul gets a bit carried away with his prophesying "and he stripped off his clothes , and lay down naked all that day and night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?" (But see 1 Sam.10:11-12 for another story explaining the origin of this famous proverb.) 19:24
75. The priest tells David that he and his men can eat the "hallowed" bread if "they have kept themselves at least from women." David assures the priest that they have and that "the vessels of the young men are holy." So it'd be OK for them to eat the holy bread. 21:4-5

2 Samuel
76. David tells Jonathan that he has given him pleasures more than that of woman. 2 Sam.1:26
77. "And David took him more concubines and wives." 2 Sam.5:13
78. David dances nearly naked in front of God and everybody. 2 Sam.6:20
79. David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." 2 Sam.11:2-4
80. God says he will give David's wives to someone else who will "lie with thy wives in the sight of the sun." 2 Sam.12:11-12
81. God kills David's son to punish David by having sex with his wives. 2 Sam.12:15, 18
82. Ammon rapes his half-sister. 2 Sam.13:11
83. Absalom "goes in unto" his father's [David's] concubines. 2 Sam.16:21-22

1 Kings
84. Old King David tries to get some heat by having a beautiful virgin minister unto him. 1:1-4
85. "King Solomon loved many strange women. And he had 700 wives and 300 concubines." 11:1-3

1 Chronicles
86. David's servants had their buttocks exposed. 19:4

Esther
87. "All the fair young virgins" throughout the kingdom are brought before the king, and the one that "pleaseth" the king the most will replace Vashti. 2:2-4
88. When it was Esther turn to "go in unto the king," she pleases the king the most. So, having won the sex contest, she is made queen in Vashti's place. 2:8-9, 12-17
89. Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. 2:9-12

Proverbs
90. "Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times." 5:18
91. "Come let us take our fill of love until the morning." 7:18
92. What is "the candle of the Lord" doing probing about "the inward parts of the belly?" 20:27
93. One of the four "wonderful" things is "the way of a man with a maid." 30:18-19

Song of Solomon
94. "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine." A fitting beginning for a pornographic poem. 1:2
95. "He shall lie all night betwixt my breasts." And to think the fundamentalists complain about prime time TV. 1:13
96. "I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste." Gosh, is this a biblical description of MouthAction, or what? 2:3
97. "His left hand is under my head and his right hand doth embrace me." Hmm, I wonder if his left hand knows what his right hand is doing. 2:6
98. Our heroine takes her lover into her mother's bedroom and asks not to be disturbed "till he please." 3:4-5
99. "Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins." I'm not sure that I get this one. Were the breasts really big, did they jiggle around a lot, or what? 4:5
100. "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." Is the "hole of the door" her clitoris and the "bowel movement" an orgasm? I hope so, or this verse is really disgusting. 5:4
101. "My hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock. I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself." 5:5-6
102. More filthy talk about navels, bellies, thighs, and breasts. 7:1-3
103. "How pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! , Thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine." Sounds like Penthouse waxing poetic. 7:6-8
104. "Let us get up early to the vineyards , there will I give thee my loves." Sounds like they're going to do it in the vinyards. 7:12
105. "His left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me." 8:3
106. "We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts , But my breasts [are] like towers." 8:8-10

Isaiah
107. God "will discover their secret parts." 3:16-17
108. Isaiah has sex with a prophetess who conceives and bears a son. (You weren't expecting a daughter, were you?) God then tells Isaiah to call his name Mathershalalhashbaz. (It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?) 8:3
109. God tells Isaiah to take off all his clothes and to wander about completely naked for three years as a "sign and a wonder." In this way he will be just like the Egyptian captives who will walk about naked "with their buttocks uncovered." 20:2-5
110. Tyre "shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world," and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord." 23:17-18
111. "Tremble, ye women that are at ease , strip you, and make you bare , They shall lament for the teats." 32:6

Jeremiah
112. "Thou hast played the harlot with many lovers." 3:1
113. "In the ways thou hast sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms. 3:2
114. More talk of harlots who have sex under every tree. 3:6
115. Judah commits adultery with "stocks and stones." 3:9
116. Jeremiah just can't quit talking about sex under the trees. 3:13
117. "As fed horses in the morning: everyone neighed after his neighbor's wife." 5:8
118. God plans to expose Jerusalem's private parts to the world by lifting her skirt over her head, so to speak. He's seen her commit whoredoms and abominations and whatnot on the hills, and he's getting darned sick of it! 13:26-27

Lamentations
119. Jerusalem is compared to a naked woman who sighs and turns backward. "Her filthiness is in her skirts." 1:8-10
120. The adversary puts his hand upon "all her pleasant things. 1:10

Ezekiel
121. God dresses up Jerusalem, cleans off the blood that she was wallowing in, and then watches her open her "feet to everyone that passeth by." She made "images of men" and committed "whoredom with them." 16:6-41
122. Big joysticks. 16:26
123. Discovering the unclothedness of fathers, committing adultery with neighbor's wives, sex with menstruating women, daughters-in-law, and sisters. 22:1-16
124. A tale of two sisters. 23:1-49
125. Really big joysticks. 23:20
126. God makes "all their loins to be at a stand" and then cuts them off. 29:7-9

Hosea
127. God continues to rant about "whoredoms" and "adulteries from between her breasts." He threatens to "strip her naked and set her as in the day she was born."2:2-3
128. God says he "will discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers." 2:10
129. God tells Hosea to "love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress." 3:1
130. Israel has "gone a whoring" and says "loved a reward upon every cornfloor." 9:1

Mark
131. One of the followers of Jesus was a young, nearly naked man who dropped his linen cloth and "fled from them naked" when the priests came to arrest Jesus. 14:51-52
132. "They have given a boy for a harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they may drink." Jl.3:3

Amos
133. God predicts that "a man and his father will go in unto the same maid." 2:7
134. On the day of God's wrath, brave men "shall flee away naked." 2:16

Nahum
135. God will "discover thy skirts upon thy face, , show the nations thy unclothedness" and "will cast abominable filth upon thee."3:4-6

Matthew
136. "There be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Dangerous words from a guy who recommends cutting of body parts if they cause you to sin (Mt.5:29-30, Mt.18:8-9, Mk.9:43-48). It might make someone castrate himself so that he could be one of the 144,000 male virgins, who alone will make it to heaven (Rev.14:3-4). 19:12

Romans
137. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

1 Corinthians
138. Paul, judging from rumors alone, complains that there are fornicators among his followers in Corinth; he is even worried that some have had sex with their fathers' wives. He says that those who have done these things should be expelled from their community and that they will later be sent to hell. 5:1-5
139. Paul asks if he should "take the members of Christ, and make them members of an harlot?" He further asks, "Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body?" I didn't know that. 6:15-16
140. Paul wishes that men and woman abstain from sex, but tells them to "come together" to avoid being tempted by Satan. 7:5

1 Timothy
141. Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind" are included in Paul's list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1 Tim.1:10

Revelation
142. Only 144,00 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not "defiled with women." Rev.14:3-4
143. The great harlot is described as being "full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication." Rev.17:1-16


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Deuteronomy
Chapter 2

32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when its in war it okay? Yet when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say nooooo. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning God allowed it! So hence God of the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense, hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children? What is the Christian response?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3



1-7
1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

Notice the killing spree, scores of cities were raided by Moses and his army by the permission of GOD in the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians), and they killed women and children! What does the Christian have to say to this?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7



1-6
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

So note, God in the Bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) allows Moses to completely destroy cities and show NO MERCY, NO MERCY AT ALL meaning you can do whatever you want to them. Not only that, Jesus orders Moses and his army to destroy all their images and their places of worship, so much for religious tolerance among Christians. So once again we see Moses killing with NO MERCY as God in the bible (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) ordered, we also see no tolerance of other religions, something which Christians rant about Islam! This proves which religion is the in-tolerant one, it is the Christian, their God is in-tolerant to other religions as you see.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 13



6-18
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Once again we the tolerance of the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians). In these passages God says that anyone who worships others Gods wherever they be must be killed. Even if your antartica and you worship some pagan deity you shall be put to death. As the verse says, to the ends of the world, meaning all over the world, so there is no tolerance in the religion. God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) orders his followers to stone the ones who don’t believe in him, and to kill them, and to destroy the city with the sword and burn it and never rebuild it. The ending of the paragraph is very interesting, God tells his followers TO KEEP all his commandments which include this one! To kill others who dont believe in him, so hence no religous tolerance. So this rule STILL APPLIES TODAY, because their God said:

keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Or did God change his mind? The God of the OT (Old Testament) does NOT change his mind:

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19
He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29

So hence the Christian God doesn’t change his mind so this rule still applies today, so Christians are still ordered to kill us!

Deuteronomy
Chapter 20


Deut 20v10: when u draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And it its answer to you is peace and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, THEN U SHALL BESIEGE IT, U SHALL PUT ALL THE MALES TO THE SWORD, but the women and the little ones, the cattle and everything else in the city all its spoils, u shall TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES AND U SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.

Kill all their men, leave women and little ones and else and take their property. How could God of the Christians do this?


Deuteronomy
Chapter 21


18-22

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree

I wonder what Christians have to say about that? So as you can see, a bad kid is stoned, and bad men are hanged on trees for all to see. I would really love to see what Christians have to say to these verses. Remember the God that the Christians believe in is the same God of the OT, so hence this is God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) making these commands. So God commanded people to kill their bad kids, to kill bad people and hang them on a tree.


Deuteronomy
Chapter 22

25-29

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

So as you can see, rape is allowed in certain cases. When the victim is a virgin, she must marry the rapist, if the victim is not a virgin then the rapist is put to death. This law is a shame and insult to rape victims, you bring me one single lady who would want to marry her rapist, and if Christians even try to defend this then they are even more sick and their own book which says it is okay. So hence you now see that the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) allowed rape in certain cases, this is why America separated Church and state, because Christian laws are sick as you can see.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 23

1-4
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: 4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee

Now why can’t these people go into the congregation of the lord? What happened to the God who hears all, and accepts all? It seems at one time God did not like bastards, and did not like men without their private parts! I wonder what the Christian has to say to this. Why cannot Ammonites and Moabites go into the congregation of the lord? What again happened to the God who loves all and hears all? It seems that the Christian God (Or God Jesus as termed by some Christians) is not very loving after all and that Christians have been spreading a myth about their God. Anyway, can we really accept such rubbish like this?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 25


1-3

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. 2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. 3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee

Now I can understand that punishments like this can be carried on, the reason I post this is because CHRISTIANS do not accept things like this. When they read in the Quran that it says lash the ones who commit illegal sexual intercourse, the Christians start ranting how can you do such a thing! That’s so evil!!!!!! So I am just using their own argument against them, so as we see, the punishment of beating a sinner is in their own book. Hence based on their own arguments and own criteria, their book and God is not peaceful and is evil, and who is this God?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 28
15-68

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in unclothedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Now the reason I post this is because Christians claim Islam is not peaceful because Allah Warns of punishing people who don’t follow him etc. Now since Christians believe that, then using their own criteria and own arguments then the verses I just posted show that it is in fact their God who is violent and non peaceful because as you can see he will punish those who don’t follow them in a very harsh manner. So Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house, and they do live in a glass house. I wonder what Christians will have to see about these verses, I mean he does believe in this God who is warning of these punishments, if Christians have a problem with Allah punishing people then why don’t they have a problem with their own God when he says he will punish people? So hence Christians must now admit their God is violent and not peaceful since they say Allah cant be God because of his wrath and punishments, if Christians do not admit it then they can no longer argue against Islam, if they continue to use this silly argument on Islam then they must leave their own religion. So they are in a bad dilemma now, attack Islam and leave Christianity or don’t attack Islam and therefore have nothing much to attack Islam on.

Now let me make it easier for the reader, I will basically post what the Christian God will do as a punishment to those who wouldn’t follow him:

1- God will cause his people to murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.

2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.

3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.

4- cannibalism, yes cannibalism! 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee

5- God will send diseases to the people

6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

These are some of the punishments that the God of the Bible will do to his people if they dont follow him.

Numbers
Chapter 31

7-12

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.



I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

17-18

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

Joshua
Chapter 2

8-21

8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.



Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts commited by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command.

Joshua
Chapter 6

17-27

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual except the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?

Joshua
Chapter 8

1-29

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.



Another battle, another massacre of women and children.

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the

Jazakallah Babs,

This is exactly what i was talking about. Lets talk to each other and lets do some homework. We the muslims strongly wish you can discover the truth one day that Jesus is NEVER God. He also has a God he looks forward to, and Christianity as a concept is wrong, but you Mrpataki, Babyosisi, Havila, Gbadex and co are bunch of nice people who only need to know the truth

@ babs787,
thank you for stating your ignorance as to the issue of sexaulity, unfortunately, i dont have all the time in the world to preach out my points to you as i have observed over the various threads that you are so stubborn and will never want to listen rather you would prefer areas of wranglings and bickerings as your prophet also was.

@ Belloti.
Point of correction again,
[size=16pt]JESUS IS LORD,AND GOD, THE ALPA AND OMEGA!!!!![/size]
If you need clarifications further contact me.

No matter how each and every one of us try to condemn, ridicule or blaspheme others religion, it wont work. This is because there are countless numbers of people who are making a living by holding tenaciously to the tenets of their religion. Where bread is butter can be well defended to the last drop of blood. Religious arguments should never be encouraged, no side will ever win. The truth however is that, Islam and Christianity religion has come to stay, and no matter any manouvres by any nation, religious body, groups, organisation, individual can change that status quo. Another thing is, where ever side human being belongs to has been known to be the side we defended so well, nobody here can claim to be a holder of monopoly to blasphemy of other people's religion, it will never work. One similar thing about both christianity and islamic relgion is that, THERE IS GOD. or better still in pidgin english GOD DEY, is it not enough to say that both religion are on the right track?

@mrpataki,

you are very funny. you accused me of being stubborn. this is not a matter of stubborness. show me the proof and the truth in which to base your argument on preferably from your bible and also from my Holy Quran.

what could be more crooked that he who see the truth and hide it.

all those verses were quoted from your bible and also in response to what tayod, havila et al have been labelling islam and also accuing holiest BOOK, AL FURQAN, AL QURAN OF containing terrorism, sexualism etc.

there is no book that is bad as bible full of bloodshed, incest, fornication etc. it is also a book that should be kept away from youngsters (book of solomon).

now back to you mrpataki, no need of calling me stubborn, the above are from your bible, i want you to comment on them and also challenge you to bring out from the Holy Quran where you can see incent, fornication, etc.
and u also said i stated my ignorance on issue of fornication etc, can you please enlighten me on that.

also did i hear you say jesus is God. if he is God then, maybe we open another thread and sort it out.

hey for further clarifications pls dont tell the catholics that jesus is God and that there is miracle. and also dont tell them that the bible has 66 chapters instead of their 72 chapters and that mary is the MOTHER OF GOD. HE GAVE BIRTH TO GOD.

also dont tell the white garments that jesus is God and that its their christianity God will accept (not wearing shoes, etc).

also dont tell jehovah witness that jesus is God or that he was crucified instead of tied to a stake amd there is nothing like trinity.and dont wish them happy christmas.

etc. all the above CHurches with different doctrines showed indeed that CHRISTIANITY IS A VERY VERY PERFECT AND COMPLETE RELIGION INDEED.

ACCEPT THE RELIGION OF THE WISE, THE RELIGION THAT IS DEVOID OF CROOKEDNESS. ISLAM IS THE NOAH'S ARK OF TODAY, EMBARK ON IT AND BE SAVED.

If you want to open the thread please do, but i have told you, i will only give you open minded, constructive facts, not instigating anything whatsoever and not been idiotic as with your various post here and there that i keep reading.

babs787:

1. what could be more crooked that he who see the truth and hide it.

2. there is no book that is bad as bible full of bloodshed, incest, fornication etc. it is also a book that should be kept away from youngsters (book of solomon).

3. now back to you mrpataki, no need of calling me stubborn, the above are from your bible, i want you to comment on them and also challenge you to bring out from the Holy Quran where you can see incent, fornication, etc.

4. ACCEPT THE RELIGION OF THE WISE, THE RELIGION THAT IS DEVOID OF CROOKEDNESS. ISLAM IS THE NOAH'S ARK OF TODAY, EMBARK ON IT AND BE SAVED.

Make i laugh first!!!
Wisdom indeed does not show a strong positive correlation with much learning, no wonder the bible says so much learning is a weariness to the soul!

1. I strongly agree with you! What could be more crooked than he that seeth a "prophet" abuse a 6 yr old child, kill, rape, slander, plunder, lie, cheat, blaspheme and decieve all in the name of an idol and hideth it?

2. Wow! Completely agree with you on that score! There is no religion that is as horrendous as Islam were killing is glorified, rape is sanctioned, women are no better than camels, "god" can never be seen, hedonism, homosexuality, drunken revelry and sexual debauchery are all accepted in jannat!
This is a religion that needs to be locked away in the deserts of arabia!

3. Ahhh, the quran indeed is a satanic script filled with nonsensical poetry, a manual to those who thrive on hate and all things evil. It is a book that sanctions murder, actively promotes slander and blasphemy against the most HIGH GOD!
Look no further than the lifestyle of an unholy "prophet" to see recorded examples of incest, forcibly stealing a wife from his nephew, raping a 9 yr old and other crimes to humanity all in the name of al-illah!

4. The religion of the wise? No wonder christianity and islam are so different! In the bible, humility is the number attribute of he that wishes to accept Christ as his Lord and Saviour.

@mrptaki,

go on and open another thread on the topics afore mentioned.


davidylan,

u posted this

Wow! Completely agree with you on that score! There is no religion that is as horrendous as Islam were killing is glorified, rape is sanctioned, women are no better than camels, "god" can never be seen, hedonism, homosexuality, drunken revelry and sexual debauchery are all accepted in jannat!
This is a religion that needs to be locked away in the deserts of arabia!

can u give me the proof frm the Quran to back ur post above?


also u posted this

3[b]. Ahhh, the quran indeed is a satanic script filled with nonsensical poetry, a manual to those who thrive on hate and all things evil. It is a book that sanctions murder, actively promotes slander and blasphemy against the most HIGH GOD!
Look no further than the lifestyle of an unholy "prophet" to see recorded examples of incest, forcibly stealing a wife from his nephew, raping a 9 yr old and other crimes to humanity all in the name of al-illah![/b]

CAN U GIVE ME THE PROOF FROM THE HOLY QURAN ON NONSENSICAL POETRY,BLASPHEMY, INCEST, FORCIFUL ETC.

AL THOSE LISTED ABOVE SHOULD BE BACKED WITH PROOF FROM THE QURAN; CHAPTERS AND VERSES AND THEN COMPARE AND CONTRAST WITH MY EARLIER POSTS.

LEST i forget, u seem not to say anything on my posts on incest, terrorism, murder, fornication etc in my earlier post from your bible.

AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE ASAP

TAKE CARE