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Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by kony1(m): 3:50am On Mar 18, 2011
Im a black american that stumbled on to this site. I was interested on what africans thought of black americans, And mainly all i saw from africans was negativety. Black americans are the strongest force of any african peoples, i dont understand the animosity. Why so much hate?
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by lovelylady: 4:13am On Mar 18, 2011
The link below will take you to a thread that is similar to what you are asking.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-165348.0.html
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by pleep(m): 4:15am On Mar 18, 2011
Well i would like to start of by saying that AA's have done the more for race relations and the curbing of racism than any other group, ever. And have also probably overcome the most adversity and overwhelming odds. we all benifit from your achievments. Considering all the B.S you guys had to go through black americans were doing wonderfully well until about the 1980's interestingly, when Uncle Toms Cabin was Written A.A men were known for being extraordinarily family oriented ( a very african trait) But when the crack epidemic came along it basically shattered the whole culture, and now one really thinks about the way it was before. just compare the way jesse owens or MLK (who was in his early 20's) speaks and acts to the average black person today. it seems like A.A's have made it their mission to be as ghetto and steriotypical as possible nowadays. But anyway, the average joe nigerian seems to adore african americans and emulates you guys in every way he can (speech, music, dress, behavior). ,  but many africans, especally educated ones, dont appreciate the many negative steriotypes that get associated with them because of  A.A steriotypes. not to mention that black americans are the most ignorant people on the subject of Africa i have EVER met.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by kony1(m): 4:31am On Mar 18, 2011
i dont think thats fair though. Africans seem to compare their best with black americans worst. Overall black americans do well if not better than any african group in -politics,business,entertainment etc Black americans hold africans down as far as a worldwide voice. So the thought of africans trying to seperate themselves from black americans is funny to me

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Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 4:48am On Mar 18, 2011
OP: You want an honest answer? Generally, the answer would be no. I don't speak for other Africans or all Africans but from what I have grown up with, whether its a Nigerian, Ghanaian, or Ivorian, the general answer would be no. I will admit though, feelings on this subject matter may vary depending on the region. Oh I forgot to mention, you said "Overall black americans do well if not better than any african group" and "Black americans are the strongest force of any african peoples", perhaps you may not know or realize this but Africans generally do not consider akatas [black Americans] as Africans.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by pleep(m): 4:58am On Mar 18, 2011
k.o.n.y:

i dont think thats fair though. Africans seem to compare their best with black americans worst. Overall black americans do well if not better than any african group in -politics,business,entertainment etc Black americans hold africans down as far as a worldwide voice. So the thought of africans trying to seperate themselves from black americans is funny to me
On the contrary Nigerian americans are the highest achieving immigrant group in the united states according to the U.S census in 2006 33% of of Nigerians in the United States had bachelor's degrees, 17% had master's degrees,As of that year 8% of White Americans had master's degrees, and 12% of Asian Americans had master'sand 3% of Asian Americans had doctorates i dont know the number for A.A's, but one can only assume its less. As for politics. Obama is an african, and for business i dont think you can compare 12% of the U.S population to an entire continment. African americans do dominate the worldwide voice however, but that is usually through entertainment and sports.  
the thought of africans trying to seperate themselves from black americans is funny to me
I think more black americans seek to seperate themselve from Africans
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 6:16am On Mar 18, 2011
pleep:

On the contrary Nigerian americans are the highest achieving immigrant group in the united states according to the U.S census in 2006 33% of of Nigerians in the United States had bachelor's degrees, 17% had master's degrees,As of that year 8% of White Americans had master's degrees, and 12% of Asian Americans had master'sand 3% of Asian Americans had doctorates i dont know the number for A.A's, but one can only assume its less. As for politics. Obama is an african, and for business i dont think you can compare 12% of the U.S population to an entire continment. African americans do dominate the worldwide voice however, but that is usually through entertainment and sports.  

I remember reading an article on that years ago.

pleep:

I think more black americans seek to seperate themselve from Africans

Yes, indeed. A lot of people I've encountered have a VERY nasty habit of referring to Africans as "African booty scratchers". With all of the negativity, I can't imagine why there wouldn't be any animosity.

pleep:

Well i would like to start of by saying that AA's have done the more for race relations and the curbing of racism than any other group, ever. And have also probably overcome the most adversity and overwhelming odds. we all benifit from your achievments. Considering all the B.S you guys had to go through black americans were doing wonderfully well until about the 1980's interestingly, when Uncle Toms Cabin was Written A.A men were known for being extraordinarily family oriented ( a very african trait) But when the crack epidemic came along it basically shattered the whole culture, and now one really thinks about the way it was before. just compare the way jesse owens or MLK (who was in his early 20's) speaks  and acts to the average black person today. it seems like A.A's have made it their mission to be as ghetto and steriotypical as possible nowadays. But anyway, the average joe nigerian seems to adore african americans and emulates you guys in every way he can (speech, music, dress, behavior). ,  but many africans, especally educated ones, dont appreciate the many negative steriotypes that get associated with them because of  A.A steriotypes. not to mention that black americans are the most ignorant people on the subject of Africa i have EVER met.

Co-sign on that one. I've met people who have never met Africans before and even their not as ignorant as what I've encountered with African Americans.

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Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by kony1(m): 4:04pm On Mar 18, 2011
1. Barack obama is a black american, he considers himself black american-married a black american woman and has black american kids. Barack obama is not an african, his father was. His racial mixup (african/white) is basically what black americans are anyway

2. Im sure nigerians are doing well for themselves but the comparison to black americans is misleading. There are no where near as many nigerian(or any other african group) americans as their are black americans. So the success of nigerians still come up short next to blacks. Blacks hold the most important positions in politics,finance,college etc by far

3. To be honest it seems like Africans give blacks the cold shoulder. Your ignorant about our culture,we're ignorant about your culture thus the conflict. Its 50/50
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 6:45pm On Mar 18, 2011
k.o.n.y:

1. Barack obama is a black american, he considers himself black american-married a black american woman and has black american kids.  Barack obama is not an african, his father was. His racial mixup (african/white) is basically what black americans are anyway

Why are you calling Obama a 'black American'? Why is it that people in this country still use that ṡtupid archaic notion of the one drop rule? I just don't understand it. Yes, as black people we've all been conditioned to believe that one drop of of "black blood" makes you black but the truth of the matter is, its just not true. There is no such thing as black blood!!! Last time I checked, Obama had one caucasian parent and one black parent--not one black parent and another black parent!!! The only reason this notion exists is because we [blacks, caucasians, non-blacks/non-caucasians] buy into it. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason he seems to address himself as black or African American is because he doesn't want black people in American to feel as though he's intentionally trying to detach himself from them.   

k.o.n.y:

2. Im sure nigerians are doing well for themselves but the comparison to black americans is misleading. There are no where near as many nigerian(or any other african group) americans as their are black americans. So the success of nigerians still come up short next to blacks. Blacks hold the most important positions in politics,finance,college etc by far

Still comes up short next to black?? Did we suddenly change our skin color and become something other than black?

k.o.n.y:

3. To be honest it seems like Africans give blacks the cold shoulder. Your ignorant about our culture,we're ignorant about your culture thus the conflict. Its 50/50

As for the cold shoulder bit, I think most Africans treat black Americans based on what they've experienced and see on tv. Often times, the imagery we see is of African Americans making a fool of  themselves or not portraying themselves in the best manner. Look at some of the tv shows that aired over the years. Yes, I know its not good for people to judge others based on things they see on tv but with comedies such as "Meet the Brown", "Madea's Family Reunion", "The Parkers" and all those thuggish movies from the 90's, can you really blame them for seeing African Americans in such a manner? Perhaps if us Africans had seen more imagery of African Americans such as the ones featured in "The Cosby Show" then perhaps it would be a lot different. As a matter of fact, I was in a politics class having a discussion about the "The Cosby Show" and its role of African society and the moment the conversation got started, everyone started shouting and saying that that show was unrealistic and that black people don't really live like that. In a much as I wanted to correct them about the buffoonery they were displaying in class, I just let them sit there and make an aṡṡ of themselves. At some point in time I asked them about certain African American is political positions and they pretty much referred to those individuals as house niggers. It seems like when there are positive examples of African Americans, there is a backlash on those African American. Either its unrealistic to the the general African American population or they are seen as sell outs. Yes, we may have preconceived notions but for the most part, what I see everyday on the streets, in the train, and many other places seems to reaffirm those notions.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by kony1(m): 11:09pm On Mar 18, 2011
I think the whole tv/media thing is laughable. Africans are probably the worst people depicted in the media. If black americans were to go by the media we would think africa is nothing but "third-world slums",Famished children","native/tribal looking people","Dictators","12 year olds with AK-47's" etc. The african image is far far worst than the black american image. Of course intelligent people will know better but the idea that africans dislike blacks because of hip hop is crazy to me-given the circumstances.

Black american "pop" culture does export a great deal of ignorance out to the masses. But the positive side of our culture is a big force aswell. I would say bigger than any other group in the african diaspora by far. Thats why i dont get the hate
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 2:32am On Mar 19, 2011
k.o.n.y:

I think the whole tv/media thing is laughable. Africans are probably the worst people depicted in the media. If black americans were to go by the media we would think africa is nothing but "third-world slums",Famished children","native/tribal looking people","Dictators","12 year olds with AK-47's" etc. The african image is far far worst than the black american image. Of course intelligent people will know better but the idea that africans dislike blacks because of hip hop is crazy to me-given the circumstances.

Black american "pop" culture does export a great deal of ignorance out to the masses. But the positive side of our culture is a big force aswell. I would say bigger than any other group in the african diaspora by far. Thats why i dont get the hate

Ummm generally speaking, African Americans do go by what you've just described. I've seen it my entire life no matter what part of the country I'm in. Even people who are well educated have made such remarks. I never mentioned hip hop culture but that's not the only thing that makes some of us have ill feelings towards African Americans. I don't think Africans come to the US with the intention of creating animosity towards Africans Americans--for the most part we keep those feelings to ourselves and voice them if or when people make remarks such as the one you described. When I first came to the US, I had no intention of being mean to people or causing some sort of emotional harm to others. When introduced to people, I'd embrace them with open arms but the feelings from them was never the same. That's when all the ignorant remarks would come, even from teachers!!! Look at the story of what happened to Damilola Taylor. Although that incident took place in the UK, its pretty much the same scenario. Even my cousins in the UK, when they'd tell me about how things were for them when they first moved to the UK, I wasn't surprised. No offense but unless you're an African who has experienced this, you will never understand. I know perhaps you may see us as one people because we're black as well but its just not the case. Its easy for you to say these things because you live here in the US but for us coming from countries foreign to the US, its a whole different experience.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by pleep(m): 3:00am On Mar 19, 2011
Ill second inked Nerds post. A.A's approach african americans with a superiority complex, but Africans quickly lose respect for you guys because africans abroad are usually very academically oriented. A,A's are simply not. ive been made fun of countless times by A'A's when i was younger and went to an all black school. Many A.A's seem to think that by being smart and talking properly you are trying to act 'white', how could africans be pround of that?

also my dads is a teacher, hes been teaching in the U.S for 20 yrs but nevertheless. the african american students always have an ignorant attitude dont try to learn. for some reason the white students always say; "i like your accent" "its so cool" "were are you from?" but the black ones always say "i cant understand you your an awful teacher" and "you should go back to africa" after a while you get sick of the B.S from both the white people and the blacks.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 5:18am On Mar 19, 2011
pleep:

Ill second inked Nerds post. A.A's approach african americans with a superiority complex, but Africans quickly lose respect for you guys because africans abroad are usually very academically oriented. A,A's are simply not. ive been made fun of countless times by A'A's when i was younger and went to an all black school. Many A.A's seem to think that by being smart and talking properly you are trying to act 'white',  how could africans be pround of that?

also my dads is a teacher, hes been teaching in the U.S for 20 yrs but nevertheless. the african american students always have an ignorant attitude dont try to learn. for some reason the white students always say; "i like your accent" "its so cool" "were are you from?" but the black ones always say "i cant understand you your an awful teacher" and "you should  go back to africa" after a while you get sick of the B.S from both the white people and the blacks.

Yes, I totally agree. When I was younger, I'd have people come up to me asking me "Why do you sound so white?" or "Why do you answer questions in class?" or "Why you tryin' to act all white?" I'd look at them like "Huh . What the hell does it mean to "sound white" It'd sit there and wonder when did it become a crime to not butcher the English language and know your schoolwork? Although I was young when I came to the US it still astonished me how students would act and speak in class--especially to the teachers. The sort of things students would do and say to teachers here in the US would NEVER happen in any African country. One thing that I always found ignorant as well was the whole "Go back to Africa" bit. Majority of the people I comes across for whatever reason STILL think that Africa is a country and when you try to explain to them that its not, they still don't wanna take correction. And I get where you're coming from with the experiences your dad has had. My dad has gone through similar things--he'd have co-workers both caucasian Americans and black Americans make remarks about him and Africans while on the job, mind you, the people who are making these disparaging remarks have half or less than half the education he has [its a good job, its just that some people that work there are, under qualified] and have never really been outside of the US. I once had a conversation with a friend and the friend asked me, "What's the best thing that has ever happened to you in your life?" and my response was "Being African". Because of these experiences, I now have a thick layer of skin. Although it may have been bad, I am still glad that I have had such moments in my life--I handle many situations a lot differently than I did when I was a little kid.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by PhysicsMHD(m): 7:38am On Mar 19, 2011
There are actually lots of African Americans to be "proud of" but most of these would be obscure to the average African or African immigrant. There are also some African Americans that are embarrassing in certain ways and these people are more often in the media and their kind of behavior is very widespread among the average African American in real life, from my experience.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by PhysicsMHD(m): 10:10am On Mar 19, 2011
Apparently, a new hospital being built in Nigeria is going to be named in honor of Dr. Ben Carson - not because he donated any money or anything like that, but just out of admiration for him and because of the inspiration he has provided to so many aspiring black doctors.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by Malstrom(m): 7:51pm On Mar 19, 2011
I would like to say that we are all Africans and we are all black. However a big part or the biggER part of the AAs would never identify themselves with Africans even though they r Africans themselves, isolated from their continent for a long time. This ignorance is widespread and generally I do not think AAs are taught in school about their history prior to America at all. Its only a minority that really take their time and they have to educate themselves.

Why do so many look down on Africans then? Well, Imagine being taught to hate yourself and your kind during more then 400 years. This is basically racism. Racism is deeply rooted in the American society and AAs are conditioned to dislike their own kind, to dislike dark skinned people, African hair, African Religions, African costumes, broad noses and anything and anyone that is typically African. European features dominate as the standard of beauty. Racism makes our people bleach and do surgery to escape who they are.

Africans, African-Americans and people with both African and other ancestry (European for example)WE ARE ALL BLACK! Black is a socially constructed marker that defines all people with African descent. We do not choose to be black, we are simply black because of everything that we have in common contra this racist world we live in where white people by birth have the upper hand because of practical and institutionalised racism that basically place people in order by the shades of our skin with the "white" on top of the pyramid and "black" at the bottom. If you look at the distribution of capital wealth, healthcare, education etc, you will see that it follow the same pattern. Even In Sweden where I live, people with African ancestry is twice as likely to commit suicide!. This is of course a product of the colonialization of the non-white world by Europeans and further the enslaving of Africans and not a product of African people being inferior by culture, costumes intelligence or anything else.

Now, why it still remains like this is because people with power do not willingly give it away. The whole system wants to uphold the status- quo and racism is very effective tool that does just that. Racism is as prominent now as ever, but not always obvious. As many ppl mentioned media bears a big responsibility in maintaining racist beliefs and prejudices between AAs and Africans. And animosity and conflict will continue until we wake up and stop buying this crap! We are not enemies we are actually struggling on the same side against the current world order.

I cannot really blame AAs, when I think of what their up against and I cannot blame Africans who share the same enemy. I even hear Africans who blame themselves and their nations for not being developed or run properly. How many African countries are truly independent from their former "masters/Colonialists " really? And have you forgot what happened and still happens to all African leaders that fight for REAL FREEDOM of their nations (Nkrumah, Lumumba mm.)? They where seen as a threat to the interests of USA and European nations and where ELIMINATED. USA and Europe do not want true freedom for Africa, they do not want to loose any influence, they want their oil, gold and diamonds to a unfairly low price. NEOCOLONIALISM! angry

This one goes out to ALL African Americans:

"You have to realize that up until about 1959, Africa was dominated by the colonial powers. And by the colonial powers of Europe having complete control over Africa, they projected the image of Africa negatively. They projected Africa always in a negative light—jungles, savages, cannibals, nothing civilized. And, naturally it was so negative, it was negative to you and me. And you and I began to hate it. We didn't want anybody to tell us anything about Africa, and much less call us an African. And in hating Africa and hating the Africans, we end up hating ourselves, without even realizing it.

Because you can't hate the roots of a tree and not hate the tree. You can't hate Africa and not hate yourself. You show me one of those people over here who has been thoroughly brainwashed, who has a negative attitude toward Africa and I'll show you one who has a negative attitude toward himself. You can't have a positive attitude toward yourself and a negative attitude toward Africa at the same time,  To the same degree your understanding of and your attitude toward Africa becomes positive, you'll find that your understanding of and your attitude toward yourself will also become positive."
- MALCOLM X

We need loads of education for both sides and I am grieved that African Americans own history is not common obligatory knowledge in their school, and that Schools in Africa do not teach the history of our brothers and sisters who where taken away to be sold in white America.

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Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 7:32am On Mar 20, 2011
@Malstrom: Its all nice that you want black solidarity between African Americans and Africans but I doubt that will EVER happen. I do agree on one thing, the education here on African American history in the US is highly flawed. Majority of the things I learned here wasn't even in school which is unfortunate--at some point in time I realized I wasn't actually learning anything in terms of history so I educated myself. And just wondering, when you say "WE ARE ALL BLACK", who exactly is the 'we' that you're referring to?
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by Malstrom(m): 12:42pm On Mar 20, 2011
People of sub-Saharan African heritage. That will be black people of USA, Caribbean, south America, the people living in Africa excluding Arabs Asians and whites, the children of the slaves brought to India and the Arab world and lastly all the Africans who themselves have been migrating from Africa and also their children, smiley
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by Malstrom(m): 1:10pm On Mar 20, 2011
AInked_Nerd, I am very curious about the primary school program of Nigeria for example, What is included in the history teaching I guess u are taught history from an African point of view rather than the Eurocentric like we are taught in Europe. Like is it mainly Egypt, old African kingdoms tru the times, colonisation, independence, African wars and such? And Nigerian history and history of the tribes of Nigeria and neighbouring countries,

Since in Europe there is sadly not much more than European history. no African history in school except old Egypt.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by RonOneal(m): 2:54pm On Mar 20, 2011
Seems like somebody in here don't know much about African Americans, there are close to almost 41 million of us, its impossible for the majority of us to be like the negative bull you see in the media.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 6:38pm On Mar 20, 2011
Malstrom:

AInked_Nerd, I am very curious about the primary school program of Nigeria for example, What is included in the history teaching I guess u are taught history from an African point of view rather than the Eurocentric like we are taught in Europe. Like is it mainly Egypt, old African kingdoms tru the times, colonisation, independence, African wars and such? And Nigerian history and history of the tribes of Nigeria and neighbouring countries,

Since in Europe there is sadly not much more than European history. no African history in school except old Egypt.

I was raised in the US, not in Nigeria and everything that I've written on this thread is based on my experience in the US. Before I came to the US, I schooled in Nigeria for a little bit.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by RonOneal(m): 9:09pm On Mar 20, 2011
Its basically senseless to compare Africans to African American in terms of who is better or worse, I'm so sick of that damn argument. Over here in Germany for example, I've met some Africans who don't like African Americans simply because some of the local women here will not date an African male and exclusively prefer African American men, for cultural reasons in my experience. Some African men, but not all over, have even taken to dressing up and acting like African Americans just to get the women. In order to narrow the competition some of these men have resorted to bringing up dumb stereotypes about African Americans male such the myths about us being bad, irresponsible fathers, uncultured and disrespectful to women, its a joke. None of the African American men here hate on African men, I'm just speaking about Germany.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 7:07am On Mar 21, 2011
Ron Oneal:

Its basically senseless to compare Africans to African American in terms of who is better or worse, I'm so sick of that damn argument. Over here in Germany for example, I've met some Africans who don't like African Americans simply because some of the local women here will not date an African male and exclusively prefer African American men, for cultural reasons in my experience. Some African men, but not all over, have even taken to dressing up and acting like African Americans just to get the women. In order to narrow the competition some of these men have resorted to bringing up dumb stereotypes about African Americans male such the myths about us being bad, irresponsible fathers, uncultured and disrespectful to women, its a joke. None of the African American men here hate on African men, I'm just speaking about Germany.

Ummm, but aren't the things you've mentioned a common issue within African American culture? Is it not perpetuated both in the media and in the streets? Yes, its bad to judge based on stereotypes but what you've mentioned are they not prominent in the African American community? Whether you want to admit it, there is a difference in between African and African American culture--yes, we are all one people in the "racial" sense but then again what culture on Earth isn't different from one another?
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by adisacare(f): 9:33am On Mar 21, 2011
Overall, I find it extremely ignorant for anyone to judge or generalize an entire group of anything and especially people (being complex in nature) based on media perceptions or even their own personal experiences with a selective few.

The subject of the original thread is appalling in itself. Children make their parents proud!! There's a difference between admiration and making someone proud. And the only answers you can receive to a question like that are very general and opinionated ones.

It just baffles me when I hear discussions such as these.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by RonOneal(m): 11:36am On Mar 21, 2011
@Inked_Nerd

Ummm, but aren't the things you've mentioned a common issue within African American culture? Is it not perpetuated both in the media and in the streets? Yes, its bad to judge based on stereotypes but what you've mentioned are they not prominent in the African American community? Whether you want to admit it, there is a difference in between African and African American culture--yes, we are all one people in the "racial" sense but then again what culture on Earth isn't different from one another?

I never said nor implied that African Americans and Africans are the same, we are different culturally which is obvious. And yes there are negative things that some African Americans but that negative stuff is the exception and not the rule among us. As for Africans, well it would be dumb for me to hate my roots, which I obviously do not, but for any African to state that African Americans conform to some dumb stereotype is wrong and vice versa. I think both are uneducated about the other.


The Africans I've had the most experience with have been Nigerians and there's not much I can say except that with the exception of some males, I get along well with Nigerians, especially the women, of course BEFORE I got married, lol. I dated one Igbo woman here in Germany, she was cool, she just had to be boss and in charge of everything lol, must have been my quiet demeanor. I personally don't think there#s too much friction between Continental Africans and Diaspora Africans.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by adisacare(f): 11:44am On Mar 21, 2011
[Quote] Ron Oneal "I personally don't think there#s too much friction between Continental Africans and Diaspora Africans. [/quote]

Well said. There is always going to be a person who doesn't like another person because of a difference. Maybe the difference is culture, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, social economic status, whatever,  it's just foolish to stereotype everyone else who may share this "difference".
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by RonOneal(m): 11:55am On Mar 21, 2011
adisacare wrote:

Well said. There is always going to be a person who doesn't like another person because of a difference. Maybe the difference is culture, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, social economic status, whatever, it's just foolish to stereotype everyone else who may share this "difference".

True indeed, thats what it comes down to. The one Igbo woman I dated to me was not different than dating an African American sista and expected the same good things out of a man that all good women expect out of men.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by InkedNerd(f): 1:55pm On Mar 21, 2011
Ron Oneal:

@Inked_Nerd

I never said nor implied that African Americans and Africans are the same, we are different culturally which is obvious. And yes there are negative things that some African Americans but that negative stuff is the exception and not the rule among us. As for Africans, well it would be dumb for me to hate my roots, which I obviously do not, but for any African to state that African Americans conform to some dumb stereotype is wrong and vice versa. I think both are uneducated about the other.


The Africans I've had the most experience with have been Nigerians and there's not much I can say except that with the exception of some males, I get along well with Nigerians, especially the women, of course BEFORE I got married, lol. I dated one Igbo woman here in Germany, she was cool, she just had to be boss and in charge of everything lol, must have been my quiet demeanor.  I personally don't think there#s too much friction between Continental Africans and Diaspora Africans.

If you don't think there's too much friction then come to any African neighborhood in Brooklyn or the Bronx and examine how the people treat one another. Even when its not in New York, these sentiments are very much present in other parts of the US.

And I never said that you said that there weren't any differences. I highly doubt that this separation between African American and Africans will even change. Like I said in my previous post, I don't think Africans come to the US with the intention of creating animosity towards Africans Americans--for the most part we keep those feelings to ourselves and voice them if or when people make remarks such as the one you described.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by adisacare(f): 3:41pm On Mar 21, 2011
@ Inked_Nerd


Maybe those are just the unfortunate experiences you have had in NY or particulary in those neigborhoods, however, I still believe you're over generalizing your experiences.

Speaking from personal experience, I have yet to experience what you're describing. And I have friends of Nigerian descent and Kenyan descent, have conversated and met folks of Rwandan, Ethiopian, & Senegalese descent as well.

don't think Africans come to the US with the intention of creating animosity towards Africans Americans--for the most part we keep those feelings to ourselves and voice them if or when people make remarks such as the one you describe


That statement seems to imply 2 things: 1st: you're speaking for ALL Africans who immigrate to the US; 2nd: that you & "them" already have some "feelings" presumable negative about African Americans before arriving but generally these "feelings" are kept to your or you all selves. undecided

This is a very opinionated subject & statement. Until you can provide some studies that support your comments, they are pretty bias and unreliable. Note: even the results from a study won't be all-inclusive but it will give a better unbias, generalized idea or school of thoughts upon this matter.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by EzeUche2(m): 4:00pm On Mar 21, 2011
I am proud of some Black Americans such as Malcolm X, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Frederick Douglas etc. These are people I am proud of. That being said, if you look at many Black Americans today, the people have regressed.

All the successes in the Civil Rights movement seems to be forgotten by the younger generation. Maybe they should talk to their grandparents about the struggle before it is too late.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by ADM1(m): 4:19pm On Mar 21, 2011
Allow me to add my two cents. I'm Afro-American, in case you're wondering. Inked Nerd, in one of your comments you said you can't speak for all Africans, but then you African immigrants keep things bottled up. Which is it? I didn't know one individual could speak for an entire group of people. When you say Africans, are talking about black people from the continent? Because there are Arabs and whites that live on the African continent.

As for the topic, some have taken the words out of my mouth. Some say the judge people based on experience. Bulls---. Even basing ideas about a group of people from interactions with certain individuals is nonsense because those within a group are not the same. Contrary to popular opinion, we all don't think alike. I know guys from countries such as Ivory Coast and Sierra Leone. I'm cool with them. Why? Because I like to treat people the way I want to be treated. And comparing Africans with Afro-Americans is silly. You can't compare one ethnic group in one country to thousands of ethnic groups throughout an entire continent, not to mention the non-black ethnic groups.

Are there bad apples among AAs? Yes. You won't get any disagreement from me on that. But what group of people on the planet does not have bad apples? Maybe you should step outside the neighborhood you live in.
Re: Are Africans Proud Of Black Americans? by ADM1(m): 4:31pm On Mar 21, 2011
By the way, k.o.n.y., if you need validation form anybody, it should be your family, specifically your parents. Unless you're my mom, my dad, or part of my family, I really don't care about somebdoy I've never met being proud of me or not.

Inked Nerd, what part of Brooklyn do you live in? I live in Brooklyn myself.

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