wegevv:


It’s an example. Anyway we mostly agree. You keep asking me a question at the end that I’ve answered. The intelligence within the game can’t prove anything. In the example I gave above it can only know but it can’t prove. Try to imagine it’s a sophisticated AI game if that helps.

Christians can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. God ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is God that saves.

I’m asking questions base on that example too.

How did the intelligence in the game arrive that their is a software engineer?
Hasn’t he proven that a software engineer exists?
Al only knows what it’s inputted it, it has no free will, you should reimagine again.


“Zeus worshippers can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. Zeus ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is Zeus that saves.”
We agree on that.

How did the intelligence within the game arrive to the conclusion that there is a software engineer? ❤️

Maynmann:

I’m asking questions base on that example too.

How did the intelligence in the game arrive that their is a software engineer?
Hasn’t he proven that a software engineer exists?
Al only knows what it’s inputted it, it has no free will, you should reimagine again.


“Zeus worshippers can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. Zeus ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is Zeus that saves.”
We agree on that.

How did the intelligence within the game arrive to the conclusion that there is a software engineer? ❤️

What do you mean how lol

If I’m a software engineer and I create a game of very intelligent characters then decided to tell one character that I’m indeed the person that created their world and prove to them but showing them something that should not be possible then that character might believe me. They can’t prove it to other characters but they know.

Again it’s an example lol. I know AI of today has no free will. Imagine they do as an example ❤️

PS: I don’t mind that most smart people see all religions as equally stupid (with your Zeus example for instance). I fully understand where you’re coming from. If I didn’t have my conviction I’d be right there with you lol

wegevv:


What do you mean how lol

If I’m a software engineer and I create a game of very intelligent characters then decided to tell one character that I’m indeed the person that created their world and prove to them but showing them something that should not be possible then that character might believe me. They can’t prove it to other characters but they know.

Again it’s an example lol. I know AI of today has no free will. Imagine they do as an example ❤️

Is it not you that created the game and the characters?
Is it not you that also decided to “tell” one of your characters in the game that it’s you?
Is it not you that gave the characters intelligent, deciding how they approach and respond to Data?
If you want all characters to know that you created the world, you would have done it in the beginning when you were creating it but you didn’t, you could even do a system update to tell them.
Everything is on you, the characters don’t have only say.

Understand your example lol, can you imagine Al creating itself the same way the software engineer did ❤️

wegevv:


PS: I don’t mind that most smart people see all religions as equally stupid (with your Zeus example for instance). I fully understand where you’re coming from. If I didn’t have my conviction I’d be right there with you lol

And your conviction is gotten from Jewish books that was indoctrinated in you from birth lol.

If you were born in qurash tribe your convictions will be different, ask a muslim.

Maynmann:

And your conviction is gotten from Jewish books that was indoctrinated in you from birth lol.

If you were born in qurash tribe your convictions will be different, ask a muslim.

That’s fine. But you can’t prove that. You’d have to invent a machine to get inside my head and see all my experiences to that ❤️

Maynmann:

Is it not you that created the game and the characters?
Is it not you that also decided to “tell” one of your characters in the game that it’s you?
Is it not you that gave the characters intelligent, deciding how they approach and respond to Data?
If you want all characters to know that you created the world, you would have done it in the beginning when you were creating it but you didn’t, you could even do a system update to tell them.
Everything is on you, the characters don’t have only say.

Understand your example lol, can you imagine Al creating itself the same way the software engineer did ❤️

These are all valid points. Yes if I was the creator and those are my intentions then yes I could easily tell all the characters so all of them can believe. Unless there was a reason not to.

Looks like God decided different. Or maybe he has told everyone but some refuse to accept anyway. Just hypothesising because truly I don’t know why. But I don’t have to know why to believe ❤️

wegevv:


That’s fine. But you can’t prove that. You’d have to invent a machine to get inside my head and see all my experiences to that ❤️

You can only disprove what is a established fact, prove all your experiences ❤️

Maynmann:

You can only disprove what is a established fact, prove all your experiences ❤️

I can’t. I’ve said I can’t many times lol

wegevv:


These are all valid points. Yes if I was the creator and those are my intentions then yes I could easily tell all the characters so all of them can believe. Unless there was a reason not to.

Looks like God decided different. I don’t know why. I don’t have to know why to believe ❤️

Your characters won’t have to believe in you anymore, they will now Know. If there is a reason to it, it’s still on you.
The absence of knowledge creates beliefs.

Since you know that your god, yahweh decided differently, then you should know why, you can’t be cherry picking your ignorance so you can continue basking in your belief ❤️

wegevv:


Lol maybe it’s the “most of the attributes given to this god do not conform to the reality of this world” that confused me. But you then say the opposite in the next sentence which I missed.

You’re going to have to explain which attributes the Christian God is said to have that can’t possibly be consistent with a God that created the universe please

1. The god is omnibenevolent/all loving/all good and is presiding over the universe.

2. That the god appoints government authorities.

wegevv:


I can’t. I’ve said I can’t many times lol

Then keep your unproven experience to yourself 😂

I’m sure you don’t “believe” everyone experiences, if you do you will be worshipping Gods in various forms.

Maynmann:

Your characters won’t have to believe in you anymore, they will now Know. If there is a reason to it, it’s still on you.
The absence of knowledge creates beliefs.

Since you know that your god, yahweh decided differently, then you should know why, you can’t be cherry picking your ignorance so you can continue basking in your belief ❤️

Btw I added to my answer a little before you responded. Forgive me I wanted to be clearer.

I don’t have to know why. He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol

I’m happy to live in my ignorance for Christ though. It’s a free world thankfully ❤️

Maynmann:

Then keep your unproven experience to yourself 😂

I’m sure you don’t “believe” everyone experiences, if you do you will be worshipping Gods in various forms.

You’re right I don’t believe everyone’s experiences. I believe mine.

It’s a free world so I will share my experiences to my friends and others as I chose. They don’t have to accept it. I won’t force them. I can’t prove anything. I can’t save anyone. Only God can do that ❤️

wegevv:


Btw I added to my answer a little before you responded. Forgive me I wanted to be clearer.

I don’t have to know why. He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol

I’m happy to live in my ignorance for Christ though. It’s a free world thankfully ❤️

When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

Psalm 73:22
Then I was senseless and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.

LordReed:


That's not what I said at all. Reread what I wrote and try to understand it.

Lolz, do you go to try understanding what God said or you prefer your warped understanding of what He said? Hypo.

wegevv:


You’re right I don’t believe everyone’s experiences. I believe mine.

It’s a free world so I will share my experiences to my friends and others as I chose. They don’t have to accept it. I won’t force them. I can’t prove anything. I can’t save anyone. Only God can do that ❤️

Lol, you don’t know your experience, you yourself just believe it lol.

If you are making claims of your experience it’s only right to prove it, it’s like someone saying they can fly and you ask them to prove it and they say they can’t, and that you should either accept it or reject it. You will also have to be prove that “yahweh can do that” ❤️

Maynmann:

When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

Psalm 73:22
Then I was senseless and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.

When I’m ready to share my personal experiences on here I’ll be sure to cc you

The psalms are awesome ❤️

wegevv:


When I’m ready to share my personal experiences on here I’ll be sure to cc you

The psalms are awesome ❤️

What am I going to do with your experiences that you can’t prove? 😂
Why don’t you “believe” everyone experiences?


Yeah, they are awesome, mostly gotten from the Egyptians ❤️

LordReed:


1. The god is omnibenevolent/all loving/all good and is presiding over the universe.

2. That the god appoints government authorities.

His definition of good does not suit yours. You don't think it's good to send you to hell after all your recalcitrant behaviour.
His definition of appointment again does not suit yours lol. You will continue to have problem with spiritual things as long as you don't open your spiritual eyes. No be curese, na fact.

Maynmann:

Lol, you don’t know your experience, you yourself just believe it lol.

If you are making claims of your experience it’s only right to prove it, it’s like someone saying they can fly and you ask them to prove it and they say they can’t, and that you should either accept it or reject it. You will also have to be prove that “yahweh can do that” ❤️

That’s not a good example because it’s an ability not an experience.

It’s right to prove it if you can. I’ve said many times I can’t lol. If I could I would (unless I had reason not to) ❤️

Workch:
I will allow live their lives. Sincerely, even as a Christian.

Life is not very hard

more like other tinz mata more to u. survival has been very hard 4 me.

Maynmann:

What am I going to do with your experiences that you can’t prove? 😂
Why don’t you “believe” everyone experiences?


Yeah, they are awesome, mostly gotten from the Egyptians ❤️

I haven’t asked you to do anything with my experiences lol. You asked me about them. I said when I’m ready to share on here I’ll cc you ❤️

I don’t believe other’s experiences because I rather believe what I’ve experienced first hand. No one has to believe mine either ❤️

wegevv:


That’s not a good example because it’s an ability not an experience.

It’s right to prove it if you can. I’ve said many times I can’t lol. If I could I would (unless I had reason not to) ❤️

It’s a good example, He is telling me his experiences not showing me his abilities.


Then just like the person claiming they can fly you should stop making claims about it lol, both of you can’t prove your experiences ❤️

wegevv:


I haven’t asked you to do anything with my experiences lol. You asked me about them. I said when I’m ready to share on here I’ll cc you ❤️

I don’t believe other’s experiences because I rather believe what I’ve experienced first hand. No one has to believe mine either ❤️

No it was you that brought up your experiences has the only way to know that yahweh is the creator, I didn’t ask you about your experiences what am i gonna do with it? ❤️

Exactly just like you, you only “believe” your own experience firsthand. It’s fine lol, we can’t all feel the same thing the same way ❤️

Maynmann:

It’s a good example, He is telling me his experiences not showing me his abilities.


Then just like the person claiming they can fly you should stop making claims about it lol, both of you can’t prove your experiences ❤️

It’s a free world thankfully. I can share my experiences as I please. And everyone can chose to reject them as they please ❤️

You’re right about flying. If Clark Kent refuses to show his powers to anyone then he can’t get mad if no one believes him when he says he can fly. I can’t prove my experiences so I don’t get mad when people call me stupid/crazy ❤️

Maynmann:

No it was you that brought up your experiences has the only way to know that yahweh is the creator, I didn’t ask you about your experiences what am i gonna do with it? ❤️

Exactly just like you, you only “believe” your own experience firsthand. It’s fine lol, we can’t all feel the same thing the same way ❤️

Indeed ❤️

Maynmann:

When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

wegevv:


It’s a free world thankfully. I can share my experiences as I please. And everyone can chose to reject them as they please ❤️

You’re right about flying. If Clark Kent refuses to show his powers to anyone then he can’t get mad if no one believes him when he says he can fly. I can’t prove my experiences so I don’t get mad when people call me stupid/crazy ❤️

But you yourself won’t believe others experience because you did not experience it firsthand, is that not hypocritical then if you expect people to accept or reject your own experiences?

Exactly he can’t get mad if no one “believes” it, I’m sure he Will prefer them to “know”.
You won’t even believe your own experience if you did not have it firsthand, why should anyone be mad? ❤️

wegevv:


Indeed ❤️



When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

Kinda hypocritical too, if you only “believe” your own first hand experience, but you expect people to accept or reject your experience ❤️

Maynmann:

But you yourself won’t believe others experience because you did not experience it firsthand, is that not hypocritical then if you expect people to accept or reject your own experiences?

Exactly he can’t get mad if no one “believes” it, I’m sure he Will prefer them to “know”.
You won’t even believe your own experience if you did not have it firsthand, why should anyone be mad? ❤️

I keep saying I don’t expect anyone else to accept my own experience my friend. I’ve said many times in this thread that faith is individual and based upon each person’s personal experience.

I hope my experience will help others to find their own experience and conviction. I don’t expect them to believe mine and run with it lol ❤️

wegevv:




When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

I was replying to when you said this “He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol”
Why using your experience to answer a question when you won’t accept other experiences because it’s not firsthand.

Apology accepted ❤️

wegevv:


I keep saying I don’t expect anyone else to accept my own experience my friend. I’ve said many times in this thread that faith is individual and based upon each person’s personal experience.

I hope my experience will help others to find their own experience and conviction. I don’t expect them to believe mine and run with it lol ❤️

That’s hypocritical, you should listen to your advice, you yourself said you don’t believe other experiences because it’s not first hand why then do you hope others will use your own experiences that they did not experience firsthand.

That’s hypocrisy, you should also start using other people’s experiences so you can find your own experience and convictions ❤️

Maynmann:

Kinda hypocritical too, if you only “believe” your own first hand experience, but you expect people to accept or reject your experience ❤️

I don't only believe mine. I believe others too. I won’t believe others that contradict my conviction though❤️

Secondly I don’t expect anything. I just share ❤️