LordReed:


I am addressing your statement that miracles have been reproduced in controlled environments, that is what I am interested in. If you have videos of a miracle taking place in a controlled environment put a link here let's watch it.

I think I've rushed to speak what I didn't mean.

Please I've never seen miracles occuring repeatedly in a lab or some form of 'controlled environment'

Rather, I've seen miracles repeat themselves when there is 'Faith' present. And where the Holy Spirit is present. As much as is the Will of God.

That's what I called a controlled environment, not a lab or something similar where everyone with a certain illness line up and get cured.
(Mind you, this thing you are looking for will soon happen, and these lab miracles will be performed by the anti-christ. It has been written)

Peace.

My response to Bizzyman
: thanks for your contribution. Then, as for Jesus,he is a way to God and i don't dispute it. But is jesus THE ONLY way to God? That's a question for each person to have his own unique answer sought out. My experience didn't end with the few you've seen here. I've had many more experiences with different christian denominations. I've lived with some pastors/GO/prophets/prophetes. I just feel reluctant to continue writing my experiences with different religious groups.Maybe there's no need continuing the story anymore.As for anyone who thinks he believes in Jesus,let him practice EVERYTHING that Jesus taught as recorded in the bible,until then will i feel comfortable to tell such a person why i reject every form of modern christianity and it make sense to him.

preciousee17:


I think I've rushed to speak what I didn't mean.

Please I've never seen miracles occuring repeatedly in a lab or some form of 'controlled environment'

Rather, I've seen miracles repeat themselves when there is 'Faith' present. And where the Holy Spirit is present. As much as is the Will of God.

That's what I called a controlled environment, not a lab or something similar where everyone with a certain illness line up and get cured.
(Mind you, this thing you are looking for will soon happen, and these lab miracles will be performed by the anti-christ. It has been written)

Peace.

Ok then I am not really interested in stories, especially stories of soon coming people with miraculous power. I don't think any such "anti-christ" will ever show up but if ever it happens come and call my attention to these lab miracles.

LordReed:


Most likely they will shift the goal post.

he already did

For Christians who are ready to give up. Please don't.

The days that are coming will be filled with so much tribulation, so much that many will depart from the faith, and it has already started happening now.

I take a look at India and the current persecution there. I see the news and instead of pitying them, I pity myself more...
Would I be able to keep up? With the beatings and locking up and similar things that will come? I always pray for grace, for myself and now for all of us.

"Acts Chapter 27 and 28.
Learned a lot from those two chapters. Walking by faith vs walking by sight. When everything seems to be going fine doesn’t mean God is approving it. He who wants to save his life will lose it and he who lose his life for Jesus’s sake will save it. Paul and all who were on the ship died to self by obeying God and letting no one leave (under normal circumstances, we will want to jump out in an attempt to save ourselves as some wanted to do. Especially if we can swim).
By obeying and staying on the ship, they died to self and their lives were saved. Learned that in these last days, when the storm hits and waves comes, many will run to the false preachers and fallen ones in an attempt to save their life rather than obeying God and staying in the boat."

I got this song last night and though I can't sing it here, I'll drop the words cos it's a prayer too. Try and sing it if you can. I pray you find it useful

Send down Your Fire Lord,
Oh, the Holy Ghost.
Let there be freedom,
Loose — from the enemy.

Send down Your Fire Lord,
Oh, the Holy Ghost.
Let there be freedom,
Loose — from the enemy.

We will walk, walk, walk in your path,
Oh, order our steps Lord,
Wash our heads Lord.
Let the Living Water flow in our hearts Lord.
Show us Your Grace,
Lord teach us Your Ways.

Send down Your Fire Lord...

Short message/exhortation here:
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, the Power of God, the Truth, the Comforter.
We need Him now, more than ever and at times, many of us have actually offended Him and resisted Him.
Two things the Holy Spirit hates are lies and sexual immorality. We need forgiveness from these and more and we need to ask for fresh pouring of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the Water and the Fire. He washes dirt from our hearts, just as water washes a dirty foam, and purifies our hearts just as fire purifies gold.
In this coming time, we need Him to teach us the Truth in the midst of deep deception. We need Him to comfort us when persecution comes. We need Him to guide our steps and show us the Way.

Again, this message is here with regards to Christians who are willing to give up.
It's not being imposed on everyone reading this thread.

Peace.

LordReed:


Ok then I am not really interested in stories, especially stories of soon coming people with miraculous power. I don't think any such "anti-christ" will ever show up but if ever it happens come and call my attention to these lab miracles.

Okay. Noted

preciousee17:

Okay. Noted

So you believe first and the search for evidence later.

Go read up on confirmation bias.

Workch:
he already did

SMH

seeking evidence of spiritual or god stuff can be boring. at a point, itz like u are asking stupid questions. should we be facing all these stress to prove anything? we dont even know who is confused,who is sure,etc. some atheists confess confusion by saying they dont know if there is or not. well,i think the truth or reality or existence has no beginning and it cant end. it has no totality. it continues in infinite ways/forms.

Why does a god want us to believe in him?

HellVictorinho6:
seeking evidence of spiritual or god stuff can be boring. at a point, itz like u are asking stupid questions. should we be facing all these stress to prove anything? we dont even know who is confused,who is sure,etc. some atheists confess confusion by saying they dont know if there is or not. well,i think the truth or reality or existence has no beginning and it cant end. it has no totality. it continues in infinite ways/forms.

No beginning and no end?
But the patterns in the Earth show a beginning and an end for any and everything every single time.
Starting from humans, plants, non-living things, is there an exception?
And with the trend/direction the world is moving in now, I think scientifically, the end is near:

Rising population
Sinking Islands
Global Warming
Threats of Nuclear Weapons being unleashed (this one will end many arguments if it happened)
....
With all these stuff, doesn't it show that everything on Earth has begun at some point and will end at some point?

Again, I've seen the point of stupid questions too. You're on point there.

Maynmann:
Why does a god want us to believe in him?

Welcome to the thread.

[Strictly from the Christian point of view]

I think a Father who sees His son parading himself as an orphan and doing things that will land him in jail, will try to convince that son that He (the Father) is his Father.

And even if that son ends up in jail and finally decides to recognize the Father and ask for bail... Don't you think the Father will bail him out?

And even after being bailed out. Don't you think it's possible for that son to go astray again (probably after listening to advise from bad friends), and continue parading Himself as an orphan and doing things that will land him in jail.

The cycle could continue forever, the only difference being that Jehovah (who we call God) is more patient and loving than an earthly father... So He'll keep on reaching out to you even when you restrain for so long

Next?

preciousee17:


Welcome to the thread.

[Strictly from the Christian point of view]

I think a Father who sees His son parading himself as an orphan and doing things that will land him in jail, will try to convince that son that He (the Father) is his Father.

And even if that son ends up in jail and finally decides to recognize the Father and ask for bail... Don't you think the Father will bail him out?

And even after being bailed out. Don't you think it's possible for that son to go astray again (probably after listening to advise from bad friends), and continue parading Himself as an orphan and doing things that will land him in jail.

The cycle could continue forever, the only difference being that Jehovah (who we call God) is more patient and loving than an earthly father... So He'll keep on reaching out to you even when you restrain for so long

Next?

How come the son is parading himself as an orphan in the first place?
What did his parents do to him?
Don’t you think before a kid can do that he must have been abused?

Even if you recognize your father and you do things that will land you in jail you will you still go to jail. Why do you need to convince anyone you are their parents, show them the dna results or proof of it.
Which kind of nursery school analogy be this.

Templee333:
My response to Bizzyman
: thanks for your contribution. Then, as for Jesus,he is a way to God and i don't dispute it. But is jesus THE ONLY way to God? That's a question for each person to have his own unique answer sought out. My experience didn't end with the few you've seen here. I've had many more experiences with different christian denominations. I've lived with some pastors/GO/prophets/prophetes. I just feel reluctant to continue writing my experiences with different religious groups.Maybe there's no need continuing the story anymore.As for anyone who thinks he believes in Jesus,let him practice EVERYTHING that Jesus taught as recorded in the bible,until then will i feel comfortable to tell such a person why i reject every form of modern christianity and it make sense to him.

Jesus is not one of the ways. Jesus is the only way. Same way God, The father of the Lord Jesus Christ, is the only God and only Jesus is the way to him.

Any god you meet without going through the way, Jesus Christ, is an idol or Satan disguising as an angel of light...

Satan is a scammer, very cunning and subtle. That's how he deceive Adam and Eve and still deceiving people today...

Don't let Satan deceive you by telling you that you can find God without going through the way, Jesus Christ.

As for those titles you mentioned, forget titles. Many prophets,prophetess, pastors and GOs will be rejected on the last day because they are evil doers in secret but appear holy in public.

Bizzyman:


Jesus is not one of the ways. Jesus is the only way. Same way God, The father of the Lord Jesus Christ, is the only God and only Jesus is the way to him.

Any god you meet without going through the way, Jesus Christ, is an idol or Satan disguising as an angel of light...

Satan is a scammer, very cunning and subtle. That's how he deceive Adam and Eve and still deceiving people today...

Don't let Satan deceive you by telling you that you can find God without going through the way, Jesus Christ.

As for those titles you mentioned, forget titles. Many prophets,prophetess, pastors and GOs will be rejected on the last day because they are evil doers in secret but appear holy in public.

Jesus is the only way, so Christianity out of 2000 religion is the only true religion?

ReacherSaidNoth:
If it isn't the new resident religious section dumbass.

What is the correlation between a tenancy agreement and the silly fables in the bible?...

See now, it is you atheists who have started the insults, because clearly you had nothing reasonable to answer back.

Tenancy agreement is still telliing the story of what happened between 2 people just as the bible did. So, as i had said, you don't know what evidence is.

preciousee17:


Can you please calm down?
What's a Bastard's Lullaby here?
Was this thread titled 'Come And Be Forced To Become A Christian'?

Allow people to express their thoughts freely here, or are you saying this person did wrong to follow the topic of this thread?

Again I ask, what makes you better now?

First, no where did i ask for him to be a Christian rather i even told you to leave them alone.

Secondly, did i block him from expressing his thoughts? Is it not that he expressed his and i expressed mine in return? Or are you saying that i shouldn't express mine?

Thirdly, i never judge myself.

Workch:
Jesus is the only way, so Christianity out of 2000 religion is the only true religion?

Are you the only you? Is there another you?

Jesus didn't start any religion. He is the way and and ask humans to follow his way to meet God.

Same way Adam was the first man but lost connection with God. Jesus came to reconnect us back to God by being the way.

If you looking for religion, you will get lost. Jesus is the bridge between man and God. Enter the bridge, walk and meet God.

While at it, be holy for God is Holy and without holiness, no man can see God.

End of story.

Workch:
Well, I do not have issues with your Christian faith as long as you don't make it a universal standard for everyone. There's beauty is diversity.

I have similar issues with fellow Christians on this side. I believe it’s okay to encourage other Christian’s to live Christ-like lives but for those who aren’t saved that really shouldn’t be a focus at all because ultimately the Bible says you can’t be saved by works alone. Focusing on the sins of non-believers is kinda pointless because even if they stopped sinning entirely but still don’t believe then they still aren’t saved.

Christians do have a duty to spread the gospel though but I believe that is through their lives, testimonies and prayers rather than judgement and focusing on the “bad behaviours” of non-believers

Christianity is one of the easiest religion to disprove, however it's difficult to disprove the existence of a god. I am even bothered about disproving one because it doesn't matter to me.
Again, it's good if faith is what you have chosen, just don't use it to dictate how others live their lives like most Christians do. If you do that then you might start facing resistance.

I disagree, I believe Christianity is the most fundamentally sound religion but I’m obviously biased. Even putting my personal conviction aside, I’m convinced you’re underrating how hard it would be to disprove the existence of the God that Christian’s believe in, as well as Jesus who Christian’s believe is God and is the only way to salvation.

Christians are judgemental and very annoying. Most times they think their is the universal truth and they want you to live by the rules of their Bible. It's where I start having problems with them. They think that they know all and their Bible answers everything when it's obviously not true.
Thr reason why irreligious people usually do not pick on other religion is because other religions do not show off like Christians do.
Christians are braggarts and will easily want to condemn you using their religious rules.

I agree some Christians can be judgemental and it’s really not useful at all because like stated earlier there is really no reason to be judgemental or try to control the behaviour of those that don’t believe. That alone won’t save them according to scripture anyway so it’s pointless and the wrong angle to take. But I believe irreligious people pick on Christianity because it’s the most fundamentally sound and that tendency also fulfills what scripture says about persecution being part of the Christian experience but I don’t expect you to buy into that if you’re not a believer

I live in Lagos, I have not seen a Muslim trying to convert me, I can't count how many Christians who have done that. And the wa they go about it, they make you feel like you are living a miserable life without Jesus. That's annoying and it's why I don't fancy Christians.
They are too full of themselves and their religion. This is why they get attacked alot by irreligious people

That’s simply because scripture encourages Christian’s to spread the word to the ends of the earth. If you can accept that Christian’s truly believe that all men have sinned and falling short of the glory of God and that Jesus is the only way to salvation then you can appreciate why they would want to share this message to the people they love and care about.

So while I don’t think it’s helpful for Christian’s to try to force non-believers to live their lives in a certain way, they are certainly expected to share the gospel i.e. the story of how man fell from grace with God and how Jesus was sent to save us. They will also inadvertently share why they believe this (their individual testimony)

If you don’t believe any of it then I can see why it would be annoying. It’s as annoying as pro-vaccine people pushing the jab on anti-vaxxers (I’m not taking a side on the vaccine here lol just an example). Ultimately we all have to tolerate each other ❤️

preciousee17:


No beginning and no end?
But the patterns in the Earth show a beginning and an end for any and everything every single time.
Starting from humans, plants, non-living things, is there an exception?
And with the trend/direction the world is moving in now, I think scientifically, the end is near:

Rising population
Sinking Islands
Global Warming
Threats of Nuclear Weapons being unleashed (this one will end many arguments if it happened)
....
With all these stuff, doesn't it show that everything on Earth has begun at some point and will end at some point?

Again, I've seen the point of stupid questions too. You're on point there.

the truth is not only about earth. Earth is just a part of the truth.

vdestro:


First, it is not about me but about atheists and you are free to try opening a door which The Lord Himself has shut.

For if you were a Christian, you would know God and that He can never ever accept an atheist. You obviously don't know how hard it is to become an atheists.

And if after all the barriers a person still falls into it, such person can never ever return again.

You.need to check yourself. So gou know what God will do and what he will never ever do? This is blasphemy.... you passing judgement on God.

Pot calling kettle black.

@ topic ... belief has no right nor wrong.... needs no logic nor explanations. However... I'm still waiting for an atheist to tell me how the first thing came into being .... whether it's the atom that exploded and started life and evolution .... or how planets were formed

preciousee17:
Tomorrow is Sunday!

Tell us a reason you don't/no longer believe in Jehovah God, and we'll try to debunk your reason (if need be)

This thread is for:
• Christians who Just want to ask any
questions (those passing through hard
times)
• Christians who are planning to give up
• Christians who no longer believe in God
• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God
• Atheists who want to voice their thoughts on
Christianity

This thread is not for:
• Immature minds who just want to make
jokes and insults
• People who cannot make a valid argument
• People who will not follow the rules of
argument

How our argument works:
• When you are asked a question, you must
answer in a normal statement, not with
insults, not answering questions with a
question
• When talking about a religion, don't assume
facts based on what you see their religious
leaders do or said. Only say what is
contained in their [Official] religious book(s).
• [Suggestions Accepted Here]

I don't necessarily not believe in a God.
I would say I think more highly of God should he/she/it/they exist.

First off everything we know about religion, or God and their will, that has ever been said or written has been by Men, and all of it has had the inconsistencies, flaws you would except of something created by flawed humans.
Something I would not expect of a Perfect all good being.
Except if God is just as flawed as humans, which is a different topic I guess.

Something all powerful, would have a much better way of conveying it's will with little ambiguity. However the presence of multiple different exclusive religions, with genuine believers and followers runs contrary to this.

Might I refer you to the questions that started my disbelief if you want to call it that.
https://www.nairaland.com/5942094/how-should-one-find-out

IMAliyu:


I don't necessarily not believe in a God.
I would say I think more highly of God should he/she/it/they exist.

First off everything we know about religion, or God and their will, that has ever been said or written has been by Men, and all of it has had the inconsistencies, flaws you would except of something created by flawed humans.
Something I would not expect of a Perfect all good being.
Except if God is just as flawed as humans, which is a different topic I guess.

Something all powerful, would have a much better way of conveying it's will with little ambiguity. However the presence of multiple different exclusive religions, with genuine believers and followers runs contrary to this.

Might I refer you to the questions that started my disbelief if you want to call it that.
https://www.nairaland.com/5942094/how-should-one-find-out

u said u dont not believe. u said should meaning if god exists maybe as he/she/it/they. then u said maybe disbelief. well,if /maybe shows u arent sure.

Originalsly:



You.need to check yourself. So gou know what God will do and what he will never ever do? This is blasphemy.... you passing judgement on God.

Pot calling kettle black.

@ topic ... belief has no right nor wrong.... needs no logic nor explanations. However... I'm still waiting for an atheist to tell me how the first thing came into being .... whether it's the atom that exploded and started life and evolution .... or how planets were formed

4get big bang crap. there is no thing such as 'first thing that came into being' ,there is no universe,there is no 'all that exists'.

HellVictorinho6:
u said u dont not believe. u said should meaning if god exists maybe as he/she/it/they. then u said maybe disbelief. well,if /maybe shows u arent sure.

Well yeah, it's still something I haven't fully worked out in my head.

I struggle with what the word "believe" means sometimes.
I'm just not convinced of the existence of any God(s) as described by any religion, as they've failed in demonstrating the exclusive existence of their specific deities.
However, I'm uncertain on if something like a nonspecific creator exists, so I can not confidently say it's one way or the other as I have no proof for it.

Originalsly:

You.need to check yourself. So gou know what God will do and what he will never ever do? This is blasphemy.... you passing judgement on God.

Try reading the bible especially the parts where God Said "these are the judgments wherewith ye are to judge the people".

[quote author=wegevv post=124051599]

I have similar issues with fellow Christians on this side. I believe it’s okay to encourage other Christian’s to live Christ-like lives but for those who aren’t saved that really shouldn’t be a focus at all because ultimately the Bible says you can’t be saved by works alone. Focusing on the sins of non-believers is kinda pointless because even if they stopped sinning entirely but still don’t believe then they still aren’t saved.

good

[quote] Christians do have a duty to spread the gospel though but I believe that is through their lives, testimonies and prayers rather than judgement and focusing on the “bad behaviours” of non-believers

Well, that duty is why you will have to come with evidence or get backlash. Many people won't just take your words for it.

I disagree, I believe Christianity is the most fundamentally sound religion but I’m obviously biased. Even putting my personal conviction aside, I’m convinced you’re underrating how hard it would be to disprove the existence of the God that Christian’s believe in, as well as Jesus who Christian’s believe is God and is the only way to salvation.

I dont expect any religious person not to believe that his or her own religion is not the most fundamentally sound, is that not why you are practicing that religion in the first place? Some people from sokoto even kill to make that point clear

I agree some Christians can be judgemental and it’s really not useful at all because like stated earlier there is really no reason to be judgemental or try to control the behaviour of those that don’t believe. That alone won’t save them according to scripture anyway so it’s pointless and the wrong angle to take. But I believe irreligious people pick on Christianity because it’s the most fundamentally sound and that tendency also fulfills what scripture says about persecution being part of the Christian experience but I don’t expect you to buy into that if you’re not a believer

Irreligious people will always pick on Christians because Christians don't stay in their spaces. Your duty to always evangelize means that you will be picked on many times. It's simple logic. Christianity are the most vocal religion in the world all in the name of evangelism.
Christians also make more bogus claims than all other religions in terms of miracles, prophesies and revelations. They make these claims so boldly without evidence.

That’s simply because scripture encourages Christian’s to spread the word to the ends of the earth. If you can accept that Christian’s truly believe that all men have sinned and falling short of the glory of God and that Jesus is the only way to salvation then you can appreciate why they would want to share this message to the people they love and care about.

we are saying the same thing, this is why you are getting so much bashing from irreligious people. If you must preach, come with evidence or don't spread it.
Some people will not listen until you provide evidence.

So while I don’t think it’s helpful for Christian’s to try to force non-believers to live their lives in a certain way, they are certainly expected to share the gospel i.e. the story of how man fell from grace with God and how Jesus was sent to save us. They will also inadvertently share why they believe this (their individual testimony)

many Christians don't know when to stop. Seriously

If you don’t believe any of it then I can see why it would be annoying. It’s as annoying as pro-vaccine people pushing the jab on anti-vaxxers (I’m not taking a side on the vaccine here lol just an example). Ultimately we all have to tolerate each other ❤️

All my family members are Christians, I tolerate them.
My fiancé is a Christian, she understands that I don't believe in all these things. It's just my dad that doesn't seem to understand why I am this way but I have always respectfully told him that he should allow me live my life.
Many times my cousins will try to preach to me, I just allow them talk and then tell them okay because I don't want to argue. They always think they are right and it's usually funny.

Bizzyman:


Are you the only you? Is there another you?

Jesus didn't start any religion. He is the way and and ask humans to follow his way to meet God.

Same way Adam was the first man but lost connection with God. Jesus came to reconnect us back to God by being the way.

If you looking for religion, you will get lost. Jesus is the bridge between man and God. Enter the bridge, walk and meet God.

While at it, be holy for God is Holy and without holiness, no man can see God.

End of story.

So Christianity is not a religion 😂

preciousee17:


I'm just concerned with the mathematics aspect. Sorry but maths can prove and disprove itself, it depends on the level you're using to make calculations
1+1 can be proven as 2 and 1+1 can still be proven as 1

Then the reason I don't even need to read anything else or respond is the insults... 'Dumbass'... Say everything again, ask many questions but omit insults... Are you saying you'll shoot me dead if we were arguing face to face?

I was obviously quoting someone else.