Workch:
Because I do not see evidence that God exist. If you ask religious people for evidence, they will keep telling you nonsense.
Religious people do not even know what qualifies as evidence.

Since we are still learning, please tell us what counts as evidence

Workch:
that guy does not take corrections. His likes is why I personally laugh at Christianity.

Please don't laugh 😂
There are many other things to laugh about.

Workch:
So you expect us to take this stories as an evidence for your God?
Christian don't understand that personal revelations and testimonies don't count as evidence as this can be bias and be doctored to fit one's confirmations.

The issue I have with Christians is that they are not intelligent enough to know what is and is not evidence.

You've lost track of what we are saying.
We don't have much interest here to draw Atheists to God, no. We are only saying here that there's proof of a spiritual realm to things and you must accept that. By the way these stories are not meant for everyone to believe, y'all are not robots.
But it's mainly for us Christians to use and strengthen ourselves

Workch:
Why jehovah? Why not zeus or Krishna?
Why don't ou believe in Odin?
for the past 5 years, i dropped belief in God, my life has been better. Everything changed with the way I perceive the world.

Why do you think your own God is the true God and others are not?

Why Jehovah? Oh, cos He has shown me the largest string of repeated authenticity, both publicly and with personal encounters.
When you say personal encounters don't qualify as proof of God's existence, I wonder what else would.... If God speaks to you and you use that information to escape danger, so it doesn't still prove to you that Gid exists?
On the contrary I believe in Odin and the rest, but not the popular point of view, it may interest you to know that that's one of the reasons I'd love to make Heaven, so I can see the true stories and all those...
Since you stopped believing in God your life has been better? Good for you
What did you even believe about God? It's better to forget about Him than to believe the wrongest things and attribute it to His name.
Why do I believe my own Jehovah, God is the true one? Simple! I've seen the repeated authenticity, if not the public ones, I've seen the one in my own life. I've asked and received specific things, I've looked at people and try to understand them, only to open the Bible and see exactly the definition I'm looking for.
The prophecies alone in the Bible keep on coming into fulfilment
Like the hike in food prices
The LGBTQ+ stuff going on now
The Euphrates river that recently dried up, etc

preciousee17:


You've lost track of what we are saying.
We don't have much interest here to draw Atheists to God, no. We are only saying here that there's proof of a spiritual realm to things and you must accept that. By the way these stories are not meant for everyone to believe, y'all are not robots.
But it's mainly for us Christians to use and strengthen ourselves

Okay, what is the evidence for spiritual realm?

Tell me

preciousee17:


Since we are still learning, please tell us what counts as evidence

Evidence is something that is testable and repeatable under a controlled environment.

For example, if I make a claim that I can fly whenever it's raining, no one takes that seriously until I do it. I don't only have to just fly in the rain, I have to be able to repeat it several times to confirm that truly I fly in the rain.

Yoi can't just tell us that your pastor heals cancer and then when we take you to the cancer ward in a hospital, you tell us how God does it his own time. How then do we now confirm that truly your God can heal cancer when it cannot be repeated under a controlled environment?

If I told you that Odin sent a meal to me this morning from the sky, would you be a nitwit to take my word for it if I don't provide evidence?

Workch:
your have to understand that because you believe in something does not necessarily mean that it's true until you have bring evidence to substantiate it.

What makes an intelligent person is that ability to forgo emotions and bias and bring solid evidence when analyzing scenarios.
Evidence means something that is testable and repeatable in a controlled environment.

You don't expect people to just take your word for it

Believe me, this is the biggest problem when talking to you all.
Open the Bible, read for yourself and you'll see the evidences. Or ask, "What is the evidence in the Bible that God actually performs miracles". And I'll refer you to the book of Matthew.
What is emotion and bias? I am only re-quoting a book as my evidence, and maybe I'll show you a public physical example once in a while, what other type do you need (be specific) because once you narrow down your description, I will narrow down the evidence.
And yes all our evidence repeat themselves in a controlled/uncontrolled environment,

preciousee17:


Why Jehovah? Oh, cos He has shown me the largest string of repeated authenticity, both publicly and with personal encounters.
When you say personal encounters don't qualify as proof of God's existence, I wonder what else would.... If God speaks to you and you use that information to escape danger, so it doesn't still prove to you that Gid exists?

You don't get it, this is your claim. You have to provide evidence to me before I ca believe you. That's how it works and how it should work.

On the contrary I believe in Odin and the rest, but not the popular point of view, it may interest you to know that that's one of the reasons I'd love to make Heaven, so I can see the true stories and all those...

good you do, they also think that their own God is superior to yours. They will argue for their God same way you are doing for yours. Taking yourself out of the God claims make you see that everyone is just fighting hard to defend his or her version of God.
If you were born in India, there will 90% chance that Krishna will be the God you will be given to defend by your parents or environment.

Since you stopped believing in God your life has been better? Good for you
What did you even believe about God? It's better to forget about Him than to believe the wrongest things and attribute it to His name.
Why do I believe my own Jehovah, God is the true one? Simple! I've seen the repeated authenticity, if not the public ones, I've seen the one in my own life. I've asked and received specific things, I've looked at people and try to understand them, only to open the Bible and see exactly the definition I'm looking for.

I'm not arguing that you have not see. Anything but I don't believe it if you cannot give me an evidence to test.

The prophecies alone in the Bible keep on coming into fulfilment
Like the hike in food prices
The LGBTQ+ stuff going on now
The Euphrates river that recently dried up, etc

The bible has many inconsistencies, don't even allow me dissect the bible because you might become very sad when I do

preciousee17:


Believe me, this is the biggest problem when talking to you all.
Open the Bible, read for yourself and you'll see the evidences. Or ask, "What is the evidence in the Bible that God actually performs miracles". And I'll refer you to the book of Matthew.
What is emotion and bias? I am only re-quoting a book as my evidence, and maybe I'll show you a public physical example once in a while, what other type do you need (be specific) because once you narrow down your description, I will narrow down the evidence.
And yes all our evidence repeat themselves in a controlled/uncontrolled environment,

I have read the Bible more than most Christians. I became irreligious because I took my time to dissect the Bible many times and I found that many things in it are inconsistent with the reality of life.

I was a devoted Christian for 27 years
You will agree with me that most Christians don't even know the Bible, they just accept the interpretations of their pastors.
There's no single evidence in the bible for God. If you want to discuss the Bible with me, you can be my guest.

preciousee17:


Okaay, Welcome Onboard!
You have said that:
EVEN IF there is a God, He can't 'solve real life problems'
There's a lot of Evil, Sickness, and Suffering but there's no solution
EVEN IF there's a God, He's 'ineffective in modern reality'
Hmm... Let me drop my opinion on this:

You say God can't solve real life problems, I wonder what are real life problems in the first place. But if there was an Almighty God in the first place, do you think He thinks the way you expect Him to think? Do you think He will act the way you expect Him to act? Do you think He's a fairy waiting to grant everyone's wishes immediately they ask?
What you are describing is an oracle
When you think of our God, think of Him as a Father with His own mind, feelings and plans. Not as an entity that just goes around answering prayers.
How does your father solve problems? When you were bed wetting at an early age, what did your father do? He warned you and warned you and later started flogging you then he gradually stopped flogging you or you stopped bed wetting in the process.
So if our Heavenly Father flogs us for our wrong doings, are we to run away from His house and declare ourselves as orphans?
Then again, are you sure that God hasn't solved many problems in your life?
What if God has restricted your family from owning a car, because He knows that you'll become a number 1 target of armed robbers if you have a car?
Isn't that classified as a problem solved?
The fact that you didn't know doesn't change that.
Then look at your country, as 'bad' as it is, do you know that there are people actively suffering more meanwhile they live in 'better' countries...
Again, many things you call problems are just punishment for wrong doings or tests (yes, when you pass, you'll graduate to the better Earth. Simple as that)

Excuses.

Why didn't God save Dora's husband..

I guess if he was in a secret cult he would have been saved..

A particular Governor now carry a totem ever since he was close to been assassinated.

Let's tell our selves the bita truth..

This whole God tin is a set up.

preciousee17:


Believe me, this is the biggest problem when talking to you all.
Open the Bible, read for yourself and you'll see the evidences. Or ask, "What is the evidence in the Bible that God actually performs miracles". And I'll refer you to the book of Matthew.
What is emotion and bias? I am only re-quoting a book as my evidence, and maybe I'll show you a public physical example once in a while, what other type do you need (be specific) because once you narrow down your description, I will narrow down the evidence.
And yes all our evidence repeat themselves in a controlled/uncontrolled environment,

😆 He was right when he said you don't know the difference between a claim and evidence. Stories in a book cannot be used as evidence for themselves.

You need an education on logical fallacies my friend.

preciousee17:


I'm really thrilled seeing your observations.
I was waiting for someone to rebuke us Christians for arguing amongst ourselves.
Seriously you are on point when you say 'lol'.
Actually, these are a few things that make us unique (in both good and bad ways)
And in our Bible, the Christians back then also argued among themselves in a bid to confirm the truth.
And these are the little things that make me confirm that there is truth in this Christianity. Why do we get so much counterfeiting of our beliefs if there is no 'Original'.
Again I may not want to say much on this... Now is time to look at your questions

Muslims argue about the Qur'an among themselves. It doesn't makes it anyway true. Your claim is just rubbish.

Still why you don't believe in Allah and Gueq?

Before then, something I'd like to point out, I'm not the average Christian you know, and I may say many things that will make even my fellow Christians to hate me (not necessarily tho)
So first of all, who said that Thor, Krishna and Zeus and all those stuff are not true? Me? Not at all...
The sooner we come to realize that there's fire behind every smoke, the better for us.
The Bible does not expressly talk about Zeus and the rest but the Bible surely talks of the Nephilims (people that were born out of sex between Angels and humans) and they had the weirdest descriptions: insane heights/statue, six fingers and so on... That should show you that I already believe there's a component of truth in part of those 'Myths and Legends'. I also acknowledge that the devil has tried to orchestrate major lies that change the narrative of the whole story but in the end, we'll all know the truth.

Geuq is the true God. Yahweh, Ra, Thor and the other 4k gods are all lies. They are agents of queG trying to deviate people from accepting and worshipping Geuq. How is this not true?

Your answers (I'm calling on corrections please my fellow Christians):

1. When you talk of interpretation, do you mean by language or by understanding?
The Bible was written in foreign languages, I have come to choose certain English versions based on the model that has 66 books and stems from the King James Version (that is King James Version, Revised Standard Version, New King James Version), Berian Study Bible and New International Version. Not that these are the *approved* version or this is what God said I must read but because I haven't even finished understanding the ones I'm reading (new understanding comes when you re-read the same part of the Bible) I don't want most of the complications of adding more knowledge (especially when you haven't mastered the basics).
Then again, my understanding can never be the only true understanding. Two people can explain the same scripture of the Bible in totally different ways and the two versions will make perfect sense (oh, that's one of the uniqueness of God in the writing of the Bible especially when you come to realize that the Bible is just a collection of letters, biographies, documented history and laws, etc. that were written by several different people over the span of hundreds of years who didn't know that their work will be combined in this big Book. Of course they were influenced by the Spirit of God).
What validates my/any understanding/interpretation of the Bible is the other Books of the Bible, simple. If I say John 1:1 means this and that... I should be able to also say, "Look at the evidence here again in Genesis...". Once anyone can do that (without forcing words to flow with his/her point), voila! That interpretation has been validated.
God validates His Words through His Words
And understandings come only through God. (Ask more if you wish, I may have typed too much)

It is not about language interpretation.

Thousands of sect, most have different doctrines, beliefs and what certain verse mean which could be total opposite of the next sect interpretation. Who decides which is true or what a certain verse mean?

A supposed omniscient god, communicating through a book which is equivocal lol. You personally interpret it the way you think is right, likewise the next person. Who says your interpretation is the right one?

2. Okay if you check up you'll see something I said about Christians being hypocrites, a person can bribe his/her way into an office and say, "God gave me a job"
That's a problem with the Church and I don't dwell much on those type of testimonies.
However if it's just a straightforward appointment, there are many things to use and determine if God gave you the job.
One thing you'll look at is the voice of God. Did God tell you He will give you this job before you got it?
Then test the fruit, will this job help me lead more people to Christ? Will this job make me commit sin very constantly? (For instance, working in a movie company where you'll act sex scenes)... Many things add up
Or the benefit of hindsight at times will finally confirm if God actually gave you the job... When you look back and see that through that job, your spiritual life got better, you didn't need to do fraud anymore
In my case, I left a teaching job after disagreeing with the headteacher, I never reapplied there, never called any staff there or anything... But one day I prayed that God should give me money, and the next day I was called back by the school... Someone will say it was just a COINCIDENCE...
But the kind of miracles that we really love to use as example are practical things
Like healing of a serious physical illness without visiting the doctor or carrying out prescribed surgery etc... Or victory over spiritual warfare, like an age old tradition of firstborn dying in every generation, and your own firstborn developed symptoms of dying (especially at early age) but later recovers after prayers. (Again you can still ask here)

You haven't done anything.
I Childfree make a claim of the miracle (job). How do you preciousee17 know if is true or false?

3. You believe in a place called heaven/hell?
Yes. Both. Infact I believe that there are 3heavens and that hell has sections... (Crazy right?)
Is hell fire a torture place?
Yes I believe so, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. Infact, I believe hell is just a place to receive punishment according to the sins that you didn't repent of

Why and who go to hell?
I believe hell was created for the devil and his angels, the people who will eventually end up in hell are those that followed the devil and did the things of the devil, generally people that commit sin.

Curious, when or how would people pay for the atrocities they commit. Since I could be the baddest human ever lived, committing the most heinous crime and sin. It happens I just genuinely repented yesterday and I died today. Taken to heaven?

A Christian living a rightful way all the 40 years of his existence. His last 2 days he died from mob action because we was caught stealing. No prayers, no asking for forgiveness. So he's a hell candidate?

An individual who does right, no crime, cheating...and all, who doesn't believe in Yahweh dies. Fire or paradise?


You have sins, you commit sins. So the idea is just don't die with a sin. If you do, straight to fire no matter how you lived your life.

Equally, just don't die with a sin, it doesn't matter how you lived. You'll receive an eternal bliss. Lol

Because we do hear the wicked would burn in hell while the Mick would inherit the kingdom of heaven but I don't see it

It tells a reasonable person a lot about your religion, teaching, what you refer to reward for actions or punishment for actions and the idea of God you claim.

What is free will?
I don't know what I'm expected to say here. But free will is just the knowledge of good and evil, the fact that you now know what is right and what is wrong, and you can choose to do right or to do wrong.

Does that mean Adam and Eve have no free will? Prior to eating the forbidden fruit or whatever in the version of how humans came according to the Israeli tribe mythology.

Do humans have free will?
Yes. Obviously.

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A thief pointed a gun at Childfree, and said your money or your life. I choose my life, he collected the money and ran.

Same scenario happen with another individual, he choose his money and he was shot dead.

The culprit was caught, The judge dismiss the case citing that the culprit gave them the ability to choose freely (free will) money or life and they make their choices. Does this make sense or sound reasonable to you?

The culprit decides the option, forces you to choose, reward according to what he placed on the options

Why does it make sense to you while in your religion?

He Yahweh decides what is good or bad, he forces you to choose to follow either, he rewards you based on an outcome he decides on the choice.

Ironically, one seems fair to you while the other is not.

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Is Yahweh omniscient?
Yes. (I'm delighted you used the name Yahweh)

Isn't Yahweh the deity we are referring to here?

Does Yahweh currently knows the number of people who would be in hell?

I don't really think I mock Atheists in the way you are imagining, the same way you laugh at your friend before correcting Him is the same way we may laugh at you before correcting you, we 'mock' our fellow Christians too
There is teaching from God, and there is teaching of men. When we see our brother exhibiting signs of false teaching of men, we rush to correct him first, then we come out stronger to spread the Word better than ever.
Infact, I created this thread to see the specific reason why our fellow Christians brothers stopped believing in God so it's not much about the atheists, it's more about those who already had a foundation.

I've typed too much, please alert me on any grammatical mistake

The last time I checked Adam or anyone didn't asked Yahweh to be created. Isn't this a violation of the free will (ability to choose) in the first place?

If is a free will how comes one is confined only to 2 options (good and bad)? then the free will only comes into play when choosing the options. Does this sound reasonable to you?

Let me hear your take on this. Adam or me didn't ask to be created, he didn't request for a free will or not, He don't want the option of either heaven or hell,
Why is everything about your God forced? And you talk about free will? Lol

Workch:
So you expect us to take this stories as an evidence for your God?
Christian don't understand that personal revelations and testimonies don't count as evidence as this can be bias and be doctored to fit one's confirmations.

The issue I have with Christians is that they are not intelligent enough to know what is and is not evidence.

But if you're inteilligent as you want us to believe, you'll see that I didn't make a case for any existence of God. Rather I used those experiences of mine as possible evidences of the supernatural.

Christians aren't intelligent, yet all the inventions of this world including the great scientists who made impact are majorly Christians. Keep deceiving yourself.

The matter isn't a matter of intelligence but encounters. You cannot ask me to deny my encounters because of your defective logic.

preciousee17:
Tomorrow is Sunday!

Tell us a reason you don't/no longer believe in Jehovah God, and we'll try to debunk your reason (if need be)

This thread is for:
• Christians who Just want to ask any
questions (those passing through hard
times)
• Christians who are planning to give up
• Christians who no longer believe in God
• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God
• Atheists who want to voice their thoughts on
Christianity

This thread is not for:
• Immature minds who just want to make
jokes and insults
• People who cannot make a valid argument
• People who will not follow the rules of
argument

How our argument works:
• When you are asked a question, you must
answer in a normal statement, not with
insults, not answering questions with a
question
• When talking about a religion, don't assume
facts based on what you see their religious
leaders do or said. Only say what is
contained in their [Official] religious book(s).
• [Suggestions Accepted Here]

I don't believe in any god because there is no concrete evidence to support such a belief.

preciousee17:


And yes all our evidence repeat themselves in a controlled/uncontrolled environment,

That is the problem they do not repeat themselves. Has anybody turned water to wine in a controlled environment?

FxMasterz:


But if you're inteilligent as you want us to believe, you'll see that I didn't make a case for any existence of God. Rather I used those experiences of mine as possible evidences of the supernatural.

you don't have to be extremely intelligent to know that narratives like tesimtonies are not evidence. It's not how evidence works.
You don't need to be a guru doubt me if I say that I am Zeus and I am telling you that all you are saying is incorrect, a sane person who as for evidence before believing else every dick and Harry will have something to say.

Christians aren't intelligent, yet all the inventions of this world including the great scientists who made impact are majorly Christians. Keep deceiving yourself.

are you ready to show me anything invented by a Christian via revelation, testimonies and prayers. Show me a single in science invented by a Christian without a practicable evidence.

The matter isn't a matter of intelligence but encounters. You cannot ask me to deny my encounters because of your defective logic.

your encounter are your personal stories, whether or not is true I don't know but no sane person will take you seriously because you said it.

Workch:
you don't have to be extremely intelligent to know that narratives like tesimtonies are not evidence. It's not how evidence works.
You don't need to be a guru doubt me if I say that I am Zeus and I am telling you that all you are saying is incorrect, a sane person who as for evidence before believing else every dick and Harry will have something to say.

are you ready to show me anything invented by a Christian via revelation, testimonies and prayers. Show me a single in science invented by a Christian without a practicable evidence.

your encounter are your personal stories, whether or not is true I don't know but no sane person will take you seriously because you said it.

Are Revelation, visions, trances, etc the basis for intelligence? Did I ever say that? All I said is that Christians are behind most scientific discoveries and inventions, and yet you claim they're not intelligent!

Testimonies and encounters are not evidence, but overwhelming incidences from.numerius individuals should prompt a true seeker into deeper research.

You don't know everything that is there to know. The little knowledge you have is not enough to prove or disprove anything.

FxMasterz:


Are Revelation, visions, trances, etc the basis for intelligence? Did I ever say that? All I said is that Christians are behind most scientific discoveries and inventions, and yet you claim they're not intelligent!

Then you should act like intelligent Christians in science.
But majority of Christians are not intelligent enough, an intelligent person does not believe without evidence

Testimonies and encounters are not evidence, but overwhelming incidences from.numerius individuals should prompt a true seeker into deeper research.

So how's this evidence for your God?

You don't know everything that is there to know. The little knowledge you have is not enough to prove or disprove anything.

if I were you, I will just bring a real evidence for your God.

Workch:
Then you should act like intelligent Christians in science.
But majority of Christians are not intelligent enough, an intelligent person does not believe without evidence

So how's this evidence for your God?

if I were you, I will just bring a real evidence for your God.

I have personal evidence, that's why I'm telling you that I cannot deny my personal experiences in preference for defective logic. Who follows anything blindly without evidence? The fact that atheists believe we serve God without evidence is enough a reason to dismiss them as unintelligent people. How can anyone think so coindescendingly of billions of people who practice a faith? Among them are scientists and well accomplished individuals. Such a reasoning is absurd.

The physical realm and spiritual realm are worlds apart. You can use the physical to prove the spiritual but you can see the influence of the spiritual in the physical. Such influences as Providence, nemesis, conscience and intuition, including universally accepted unwritten moral laws.

Now, if you want me to give you evidence for God, first explain to me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists.

FxMasterz:


I have personal evidence, that's why I'm telling you that I cannot deny my personal experiences in preference for defective logic. Who follows anything blindly without evidence? The fact that atheists believe we serve God without evidence is enough a reason to dismiss them as unintelligent people. How can anyone think so coindescendingly of billions of people who practice a faith? Among them are scientists and well accomplished individuals. Such a reasoning is absurd.

The physical realm and spiritual realm are worlds apart. You can use the physical to prove the spiritual but you can see the influence of the spiritual in the physical. Such influences as Providence, nemesis, conscience and intuition, including universally accepted unwritten moral laws.

Now, if you want me to give you evidence for God, first explain to me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists.

you have personal claims, not evidence.
Bring the evidence then tell us how we can test it

FxMasterz:


I have personal evidence, that's why I'm telling you that I cannot deny my personal experiences in preference for defective logic. Who follows anything blindly without evidence? The fact that atheists believe we serve God without evidence is enough a reason to dismiss them as unintelligent people. How can anyone think so coindescendingly of billions of people who practice a faith? Among them are scientists and well accomplished individuals. Such a reasoning is absurd.

These are your claims.
The fact that billions of People are Christians does not mean that Christianity is right, It's called fallacy of appealing to population (ad populum). If I say most Christians are not intelligent now, you will become triggered.
You still need evidence even if everyone on earth is a Christian

The physical realm and spiritual realm are worlds apart. You can use the physical to prove the spiritual but you can see the influence of the spiritual in the physical. Such influences as Providence, nemesis, conscience and intuition, including universally accepted unwritten moral laws.

There's no evidence for spiritual realm, not a single one since 4 billion years, please show me one evidence for it

Now, if you want me to give you evidence for God, first explain to me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists.

it's simple, just heal and amputee in a hospital. Even a blind man will be convinced that your God exist if you do that.
This is the usual excuse Christians give when they don't have evidence. We are not talking about blind man and moon here, we are talking about your God and his existence.

Workch:
These are your claims.
The fact that billions of People are Christians does not mean that Christianity is right, It's called fallacy of appealing to population (ad populum). If I say most Christians are not intelligent now, you will become triggered.
You still need evidence even if everyone on earth is a Christian


There's no evidence for spiritual realm, not a single one since 4 billion years, please show me one evidence for it
it's simple, just heal and amputee in a hospital. Even a blind man will be convinced that your God exist if you do that.
This is the usual excuse Christians give when they don't have evidence. We are not talking about blind man and moon here, we are talking about your God and his existence.

That's the same defective logic you atheists have that makes you walk in error. Each time you respond to my post, why must I always have to correct you regarding what I said?

Did I ever say billions of people following the Christian faith makes it right? I said you cannot call them unintelligent!

Go where the miracles are happening. If there's no evidence for spiritual realm, there'll be no such words as 'Spirirual' not 'Spirit' in the first place. Keep deceiving yourself.

I'm ready to show you evidences. Just tell me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists. I don't want any distractive rants. Just tell me how you'll prove the moon to a blind man. Period.

FxMasterz:


That's the same defective logic you atheists have that makes you walk in error. Each time you respond to my post, why must I always have to correct you regarding what I said?

Did I ever say billions of people following the Christian faith makes it right? I said you cannot call them unintelligent!

Go where the miracles are happening. If there's no evidence for spiritual realm, there'll be no such words as 'Spirirual' not 'Spirit' in the first place. Keep deceiving yourself.

I'm ready to show you evidences. Just tell me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists. I don't want any distractive rants. Just tell me how you'll prove the moon to a blind man. Period.

Why is so hard to just say, this is the evidence, test it this way?
All the miracle stories are false if they cannot be replicated under a controlled environment. I'm so sorry but coincidence and poor science knowledge of how the universe work is what most Christians call miracles.

Why is it so difficult for you to give me an evidence if truly your God exist?

FxMasterz:


That's the same defective logic you atheists have that makes you walk in error. Each time you respond to my post, why must I always have to correct you regarding what I said?

Did I ever say billions of people following the Christian faith makes it right? I said you cannot call them unintelligent!

Go where the miracles are happening. If there's no evidence for spiritual realm, there'll be no such words as 'Spirirual' not 'Spirit' in the first place. Keep deceiving yourself.

I'm ready to show you evidences. Just tell me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists. I don't want any distractive rants. Just tell me how you'll prove the moon to a blind man. Period.

I don't care if a blind man thinks the moon those not exist, I care to see the evidence for your God. Don't distract me with the blind man strawman.

Just give us evidence for your God else hes a figment of your imagination

FxMasterz:


That's the same defective logic you atheists have that makes you walk in error. Each time you respond to my post, why must I always have to correct you regarding what I said?

Did I ever say billions of people following the Christian faith makes it right? I said you cannot call them unintelligent!

Go where the miracles are happening. If there's no evidence for spiritual realm, there'll be no such words as 'Spirirual' not 'Spirit' in the first place. Keep deceiving yourself.

I'm ready to show you evidences. Just tell me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists. I don't want any distractive rants. Just tell me how you'll prove the moon to a blind man. Period.

the blind man and the moon analogy you brought up is a strawman.

If I tell you that Christian ls are not logically very sound, you will get triggered. Stay on the topic and prove your God into existence.

Workch:
I don't care if a blind man thinks the moon those not exist, I care to see the evidence for your God. Don't distract me with the blind man strawman.

Just give us evidence for your God else hes a figment of your imagination

If you don't care if the blind man believes the moon exists or not, why should I care whether you believe God exists or not. That's your own cup of tea.

FxMasterz:


If you don't care if the blind man believes the moon exists or not, why should I care whether you believe God exists or not. That's your own cup of tea.

the blind man analogy is a strawman that you intentionally conjured because of your lack of ability to provide evidence. We both know this.

You have to first prove to me that both cases are the same. A blind man has been proven to be blind, you need to prove to me that I am also blind because I think you re the blind person here

Workch:
the blind man and the moon analogy you brought up is a strawman.

If I tell you that Christian ls are not logically very sound, you will get triggered. Stay on the topic and prove your God into existence.

The same way a physically blind man can't see the moon. That's the same way a spiritually blind man can't see God.

To see God, you must search Him out, then He'll reveal Himself to you. If you can't search out God, no one would do it for you.

FxMasterz:


The same way a physically blind man can't see the moon. That's the same way a spiritually blind man can't see God.

To see God, you must search Him out, then He'll reveal Himself to you. If you can't search out God, no one would do it for you.

okay, I'm spiritually blind abi?

Okay, I will agree with you that you are spiritually awaken and I am blind if you can tell me my address with your spiritual sight?

No excuses please, I want you to use your spiritual eyes and tell me my exact location. If you do that, I will accept that your God exist

FxMasterz:


The same way a physically blind man can't see the moon. That's the same way a spiritually blind man can't see God.

To see God, you must search Him out, then He'll reveal Himself to you. If you can't search out God, no one would do it for you.

I mean, telling me my exact location now will prove to me that the "spiritual eyes" of a thing is not another claim you people made up in your churches.

I'm giving you an opportunity to convert someone

Workch:
okay, I'm spiritually blind abi?

Okay, I will agree with you that you are spiritually awaken and I am blind if you can tell me my address with your spiritual sight?

No excuses please, I want you to use your spiritual eyes and tell me my exact location. If you do that, I will accept that your God exist

When the spiritual sight become the same thing as being omniscient? Am I God?

If you're spiritually blind, seek for your eyes to be open so you can have spiritual experiences. If you cannot do that, you'll have a lot of regrets when you die.

Workch:
your have to understand that because you believe in something does not necessarily mean that it's true until you have brought evidence to substantiate it.

What makes an intelligent person is that ability to forgo emotions and bias and bring solid evidence when analyzing scenarios.
Evidence means something that is testable and repeatable in a controlled environment.

You don't expect people to just take your word for it

You totally left out the evidence of things not seen, duh.