Workch:
I mean, telling me my exact location now will prove to me that the "spiritual eyes" of a thing is not another claim you people made up in your churches.

I'm giving you an opportunity to convert someone

What concerns me whether you're converted or not. I was not sent to convert people. Only sent to tell me the truth. If they like they can choose to accept or reject. None of my business.

FxMasterz:


When the spiritual sight become the same thing as being omniscient? Am I God?

If you're spiritually blind, seek for your eyes to be open so you can have spiritual experiences. If you cannot do that, you'll have a lot of regrets when you die.

I'm not convinced that spiritual eyes exist until you ca use your own spiritual eyes to tell me my location.

FxMasterz:


What concerns me whether you're converted or not. I was not sent to convert people. Only sent to tell me the truth. If they like they can choose to accept or reject. None of my business.

if a spiritual eyes exist and you cannot use it to tell me my location then it means you are also spiritually blind, of you are spiritually blind then how did you know that a spiritual eyes exist.

Prove me, tell me my full name if you have one

Workch:
I'm not convinced that spiritual eyes exist until you ca use your own spiritual eyes to tell me my location.

Why should I care?

FxMasterz:


The same way a physically blind man can't see the moon. That's the same way a spiritually blind man can't see God.

To see God, you must search Him out, then He'll reveal Himself to you. If you can't search out God, no one would do it for you.

okay, now use your spiritaul eyes to tell me my location.
Just prove me wrong, please

FxMasterz:


Why should I care?

Because you will prove me and other irreligious people reading this that you didn't make those shit up in your head and churches

Workch:
if a spiritual eyes exist and you cannot use it to tell me my location then it means you are also spiritually blind, of you are spiritually blind then how did you know that a spiritual eyes exist.

Prove me, tell me my full name if you have one

I found God myself after serious searching and pursuit. No one did it for me. No one will do it for you okay?

Cheers.

Workch:
Because you will prove me and other irreligious people reading this that you didn't make those shit up in your head and churches

If you want to prove me wrong. You can go to a Bible believing church ọkay?

I don't care whether people believe what I wrote or not. It's not my concern. I'm just sharing my experience.

FxMasterz:


I found God myself after serious searching and pursuit. No one did it for me. No one will do it for you okay?

Cheers.

So your God is your perosonal delusion.

At the end of the day, you have not been able to prove anything here even Wehn given several opportunities. You claim spiritual eyes but cannot see location, are you spirituallyy blind?

FxMasterz:


If you want to prove me wrong. You can go to a Bible believing church ọkay?

I don't care whether people believe what I wrote or not. It's not my concern. I'm just sharing my experience.

I know the bijle better than most Christians exepct from some of your pastors who use it to defraud you.

Trust me

Workch:
So your God is your perosonal delusion.

At the end of the day, you have not been able to prove anything here even Wehn given several opportunities. You claim spiritual eyes but cannot see location, are you spirituallyy blind?

Just as your atheism is your personal delusion. You claim God does not exist, yet you can't prove it. If you want to prove God, go prove Him in the Churches. Nairaland is not God's house, is it?

Workch:
I know the bijle better than most Christians exepct from some of your pastors who use it to defraud you.

Trust me

Ignorant rant.

FxMasterz:


Just as your atheism is your personal delusion. You claim God does not exist, yet you can't prove it. If you want to prove God, go prove Him in the Churches. Nairaland is not God's house, is it?

I'm not an atheist.
Just prove that your God exist and convert everyone else he exist only in your head

Workch:
I'm not an atheist.
Just prove that your God exist and convert everyone else he exist only in your head

I was never sent to convert anybody. We were never given such assignment. You're an atheist or you think I don't know you?

Workch:
Because I do not see evidence that God exist. If you ask religious people for evidence, they will keep telling you nonsense.
Religious people do not even know what qualifies as evidence.

I’m not sure there is scientific all conclusive evidence that God exists. I don’t believe that is how God intended “faith” to work. There also isn’t scientific all conclusive evidence that God does not exist.

Now many Christians have their own personal encounters that is enough for them. Imagine experiencing what Paul is described to have experienced in the Bible. That would be enough individual evidence for many. It certainly was for Paul.

These testimonies are not enough to conclusively prove to everyone that God exists but they do encourage others who then go on to find their own individual experiences and faith. I’m sure you’ve heard many testimonies and while they obviously won’t prove anything to you try put yourself in that person’s shoes next time.

For me I’ve also found that the Bible is more correct about many things (inter gender relations, tolerance, attitude under subjugation, etc) than the mainstream ideology atheists tend to subscribe to. I used to buy into many liberal ideology (e.g. blank slate theory) that majority of atheist in the west subscribe to. But I’ve realised many of these are idealistic thinking not built on truth. And finding the truth has led me back to the scripture and God. Life makes a lot more sense now and I could not be happier

Ultimately Christians can’t answer all the questions. Paul himself admitted in Corinthians that “we only see a reflection as in a mirror” and we only “know in part”. We don’t have all the answers and that’s okay. It’s not like science can either

FxMasterz:


I was never sent to convert anybody. We were never given such assignment. You're an atheist or you think I don't know you?

So this is confirmation that you are incapable of proving your God outside of your head

FxMasterz:


Ignorant rant.

lol

Workch:
So this is confirmation that you are incapable of proving your God outside of your head

And a confirmation that you're incapable of grasping the truth that you can only find God when you search for Him.

wegevv:


I’m not sure there is scientific all conclusive evidence that God exists. I don’t believe that is how God intended “faith” to work. There also isn’t scientific all conclusive evidence that God does not exist.

I don't think science can ever prove or disprove the existence of a god but science have disproven the existence of the "Christian version of God"

Now many Christians have their own personal encounters that is enough for them. Imagine experiencing what Paul is described to have experienced in the Bible. That would be enough individual evidence for many. It certainly was for Paul.

personal encounters are not reliable. Don't even depend on personal encounters as humans are not as reliable as you think. It is why the word "evidence" exist.

These testimonies are not enough to conclusively prove to everyone that God exists but they do encourage others who then go on to find their own individual experiences and faith. I’m sure you’ve heard many testimonies and while they obviously won’t prove anything to you try put yourself in that person’s shoes next time.

testimonies are not evidence, they are claims. I don't know how this is difficult to understand. If you tell me a story, it's a claim.

For me I’ve also found that the Bible is more correct about many things (inter gender relations, tolerance, attitude under subjugation, etc) than the mainstream ideology atheists tend to subscribe to. I used to buy into many liberal ideology (e.g. blank slate theory) that majority of atheist in the west subscribe to. But I’ve realised many of these are idealistic thinking not built on truth. And finding the truth has led me back to the scripture and God. Life makes a lot more sense now and I could not be happier

I agree with the bible on many things, but the foundation upon which Christianity is built upon which is the virgin birth of Jesus and the creation story is inconsistent with reality. Christians cannot provide evidence for it. As a matter of fact, several evidence suggest that those stories are false

Ultimately Christians can’t answer all the questions. Paul himself admitted in Corinthians that “we only see a reflection as in a mirror” and we only “know in part”. We don’t have all the answers and that’s okay. It’s not like science can either

Christians cannot even answer basic questions, not all questions.
Basic questions like virgin birth and evidence for simple miracles which they claim to be true

FxMasterz:


And a confirmation that you're incapable of grasping the truth that you can only find God when you search for Him.

what truth?

Show me the truth with evidence and I will agree with you

Workch:
I don't think science can ever prove or disprove the existence of a god but science have disproven the existence of the "Christian version of God"

personal encounters are not reliable. Don't even depend on personal encounters as humans are not as reliable as you think. It is why the word "evidence" exist.

testimonies are not evidence, they are claims. I don't know how this is difficult to understand. If you tell me a story, it's a claim.


I agree with the bible on many things, but the foundation upon which Christianity is built upon which is the virgin birth of Jesus and the creation story is inconsistent with reality. Christians cannot provide evidence for it. As a matter of fact, several evidence suggest that those stories are false

Christians cannot even answer basic questions, not all questions.
Basic questions like virgin birth and evidence for simple miracles which they claim to be true

I think you’ve misunderstood the general point of my message lol

I’m not trying to give you evidence that God exists. Maybe read what I wrote again. My first line pretty much admitted I can’t.

I’m saying that I believe faith is individual for everyone. I didn’t expect you to take what I wrote as conclusive evidence lol. That’s not how it’s meant to work. But you also can’t disprove the testimonies that many people have experienced first hand.

wegevv:


I think you’ve misunderstood the general point of my message lol

I’m not trying to give you evidence that God exists. Maybe read what I wrote again. My first line pretty much admitted I can’t.

I’m saying that I believe faith is individual for everyone. I didn’t expect you to take what I wrote as conclusive evidence lol. That’s not how it’s meant to work. But you also can’t disprove the testimonies that many people have experienced first hand.

sincerely, I really do not think you can provide evidence either.

While I am aware that faith is prone to errors, it's okay for people to have faith. We can't all be the empirical guy, you know. So there's beauty in diversity.

I don't have to disprove testimonies, the fact that a pastor who claims to be so powerful cannot heal an amputee in a controlled environment says a lot. It's okay to have such beliefs, even if they are not true. Where we start having issues is if you try to make your faith the universal truth that everyone should be subjected to, we will stay asking you for the evidence at that point.

Have the faith, let it remain in your life. Don't make it a universal truth if you cannot prove it universally.

FRANCISTOWN:


Mention one way we have expressed our hatred.
Do you waste your hatred on inexistent thing?
Your god is not even worthy of hate.
To me, that seems like attaching too much relevance.

Without going far here is you are showing how atheists are liars.

FRANCISTOWN:

If that YHWH of a guy prolly shows up today. It better be on it's knees and apologise for the billions of lives that it has failed, especially Nigerians or else, I'll be the first to put a bullet in it's brain.
But so sad, fairy characters don't show up

FRANCISTOWN:

We consider it an honour to be ousted by a god who is unresponsive like a phone with a broken calibration.🤣🤣🤣🤣

We know, it's a bastard's lullaby which you people use to try give yourselves comfort through your tears.

Lastpharoah33:


On what grounds do you label unbelievers 'devils' since all human being were created in the image of God?

So was satan and he is still the father of devils.

preciousee17:

(PS: In the scripture you referred to Esau and all that, did the scripture there say that God forsaked Esau forever?

You obviously have not been going to church before now and never read your bible else you would have been tirefully familiar with this statement "i loved, jacob, i hated Esau" Malachi 1:2-3.

And this was even before Hebrews sealed the matter.

From this i can deduce that you must be young and have only just started reading the bible.

There are many things you are supposed to have known before now which i presumed you did. But with this, you have a lot you are supposed to learn, for example atheists and unbelievers are not the same thing. 99% of atheists are former churchgoers who thought God was their personsal genie and pastor, their babalawo.

ReacherSaidNoth:
😆 He was right when he said you don't know the difference between a claim and evidence. Stories in a book cannot be used as evidence for themselves.

You need an education on logical fallacies my friend.

Then why are the terms in a tenancy agreement or textbooks or novels like things fall apart used as evidence of themselves?

You don't know what evidence is.

Workch:
you don't have to be extremely intelligent to know that narratives like tesimtonies are not evidence. It's not how evidence works...

See your you dont know self. What are the people called by Obi and Atiku giving in court as evidence?

vdestro:


See your you dont know self. What are the people called by Obi and Atiku giving in court as evidence?

Testimonies is court are quite different from those in church.
Testimonies is court comes with evidence. Obi cannot just say INEC rigged the election because his agent testifies to it, he has to come with evidence to convince the court that has testimonies are true.

To prove that someone is a murder, you don't just bring someone to talk against him, you have to come with overwhelming evidence that this person actually is a murder, it's why forensics exist. But Christians just say anything thing they like and then expect everyone to believe them

Workch:
Testimonies is court are quite different from those in church.
Testimonies is court comes with evidence. Obi cannot just say INEC rigged the election because his agent testifies to it, he has to come with evidence to convince the court that has testimonies are true.

To prove that someone is a murder, you don't just bring someone to talk against him, you have to come with overwhelming evidence that this person actually is a murder, it's why forensics exist. But Christians just say anything thing they like and then expect everyone to believe them

If you had learned about evidence you would see that 2 types of evidence are given in court at least. 1. Oral evidence (testimony) and 2. Documentary evidence in support or real evidence eg stone, knife, wound etc or other types of evidence.

Therefore when a person is testifying he is already giving evidence.

It is a different thing whether the receiver of the evidence will use it or not. That part is at the full pleasure/displeasure of the receiver to accept or reject.

However, it does not change the fact that evidence has been given.

You guys keep mixing up your refusal to accept evidence as lack of evidence, whereas, evidence is evidence whether you accept it or not.

preciousee17:


Okay okay, noted all your points.

So let me ask then, have you heard of the egg and hen theory...?
Have you ever reasoned that everything that was created, has an origin. A creator...

I agree that everything that begins too exist has a "cause". I'm not quick to call that cause a creator mainly because of the religious connotations the word entails.

preciousee17:


When you keep saying we don't have evidence, we cannot prove...
But on the contrary we have shown you what our evidence is, that it is:
1. The Word of God (the words in our Bible)

How exactly is the bible proof of a God? I'm genuinely curious.

2. The proof of the Word of God that we can see with our eyes (For instance, our so-called miracles)

Miracles prove nothing other than the fact that something unexplainable happened. Magic, miracles, juju, whatever name you decide to call them. these seemingly unnatural events prove nothing other than the fact that something we didn't think could happen, indeed happened.

If I vanish before your eyes, and reappear, what exactly does that prove other than the vanishing I just did?

3. God Himself inside of us (something I may never use in an open argument but now you know that many of us actively feel, hear the Spirit of God in us.

When you refuse to accept our proof, what other proof do we have to offer?

Any particular evidence of this thing you call "God" being inside us? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

The opposite of the whole matter is that certain Atheists that talk about Big Bang and Evolution are the ones that don't have concrete proof, only theories and hypothesis...

I've seen a lot of theists try to attack the big bang and evolution. Both of which have reasonable evidence doing for them, like the cosmic microwave background in the case of the big bang, and fossil and radiometric data in the case of evolution.

But here's the thing you guys fail to understand. Proving the big bang and evolution wrong (I'll be more than happy for you to do so), doesn't automatically validate your religious stories.

Any, and I mean ANY statement or claim that tries to explain how the natural world came to be, needs to do so with EVIDENCE. In the absence of evidence, these claims will be baseless, and cannot be taken seriously.

You are still yet to provide any evidence for a god, talkless of YOUR god.

And sorry but you'll either believe that that healing was God answering your prayers or it was a coincidence that at the moment you prayed, certain natural factors brought about the healing

What healing?

vdestro:


If you had learned about evidence you would see that 2 types of evidence are given in court at least. 1. Oral evidence (testimony) and 2. Documentary evidence in support or real evidence eg stone, knife, wound etc or other types of evidence.

in court, oral evidence are backed with pratctible evidence, else how do you know who's lying?
This is the purpose of investigation and forensics.

Therefore when a person is testifying he is already giving evidence.

It is a different thing whether the receiver of the evidence will use it or not. That part is at the full pleasure/displeasure of the receiver to accept or reject.

However, it does not change the fact that evidence has been given.

You guys keep mixing up your refusal to accept evidence as lack of evidence, whereas, evidence is evidence whether you accept it or not.

there's nothing like oral evidence.
You cannot rely on what people say to make conclusions, People lie and many are deluded.

It's why in court and science, you have to provide a testable evidence. You think judges are idiots that will just take you by your words?

Your testimonies are your personal stories if no one can verify them and it stays there.
Christians say many things that cannot be investigated, no one knows if you are lying or not and yet you want us to believe it. It doesn't work that way