Workch:
in court, oral evidence are backed with pratctible evidence, else how do you know who's lying?
This is the purpose of investigation and forensics.

there's nothing like oral evidence.
You cannot rely on what people say to make conclusions, People lie and many are deluded.

It's why in court and science, you have to provide a testable evidence. You think judges are idiots that will just take you by your words?

Your testimonies are your personal stories if no one can verify them and it stays there.
Christians say many things that cannot be investigated, no one knows if you are lying or not and yet you want us to believe it. It doesn't work that way

You obviously have never gone to court else you would have seen that most tenancy matters are based mosrly on oral evidence for those who have no tenancy agreement. Same for some crimes like sexual assault, defamation etc

And oral evidence is always personal.

And most people can always tell when a person is lying. That is one of the powers that people have.

Further, the absence of any reasonable or valid question is proof of Truth. For Truth is the absence of any reasonable or valid question, hence why The Law says. "There is no valid argument against the Truth "

preciousee17:

• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God

I just want to clear something that's hidden to billions of people today!

When the group name "CHRISTIANS" is mentioned many often say they're not Christians but they believe in Jesus of Nazareth.

Let it be known that this didn't just start with Muhammad some 570 years after Jesus rather it started right in the first century when Jesus' disciples were still alive:

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort! 1John 2:18-19


YES anyone claiming they believe in Jesus are part of religions under Christendom including Islam!

The secret back then is what you just read in verse 19 of the quoted scripture:

They wanted to be called believers in Jesus but they're nursing the feeling that practicers of what Jesus commanded are zombies so they went forming their own religion according to what they want and gather teachers to teach them what they want to hear as long as it's OK or generally accepted in their community! 2Timothy 4:3-4

vdestro:


You obviously have never gone to court else you would have seen that most tenancy matters are based mosrly on oral evidence for those who have no tenancy agreement. Same for some crimes like sexual assault, defamation etc

And oral evidence is always personal.

And most people can always tell when a person is lying. That is one of the powers that people have.

Further, the absence of any reasonable or valid question is proof of Truth. For Truth is the absence of any reasonable or valid question, hence why The Law says. "There is no valid argument against the Truth "

ok

Workch:
ok

See, i understand your objection to testimonies however, remember we tend to know a lie as soon as it is given and secondly, Truth is proven by time. And thirdly lies tend to burst on their own in time so, there are many ways to ascertain if a testimony is true.

vdestro:


Then why are the terms in a tenancy agreement or textbooks or novels like things fall apart used as evidence of themselves?

You don't know what evidence is.

If it isn't the new resident religious section dumbass.

What is the correlation between a tenancy agreement and the silly fables in the bible?

Things Fall Apart is simply historical fiction, or do you think Okonkwo is not a fictional character?

And textbooks are also books making claims, of course you can determine whether or not the claims in them are true or not using resources other than the same textbooks.

If a math textbook says 2+2 is 4, that is a claim that can be tested to prove its validity.

In your Storybook the bible, you are told tales of pregnant virgins, talking animals and other ridiculous crap, those are all empty claims as there is no way outside of the book that such things can be shown to occur in reality.

ReacherSaidNoth:
If it isn't the new resident religious section dumbass.

he's not new. He's old here with a new moniker. Dtruthspeaker is his old moniker

Workch:
he's not new. He's old here with a new moniker. Dtruthspeaker is his old moniker

I should have known, he is a special kind of deluded.

ReacherSaidNoth:
I should have known, he is a special kind of deluded.

I swear, he's finished. I figured and stopped replying

Abutcher identified as Usman Buda has been killed in Sokoto, Northwest Nigeria for allegedly blaspheming Prophet Muhammad.

According to Daily Trust, the butcher allegedly made the comment during an argument with another trader at the Sokoto main Abattoir around 8 am on Sunday.


“Our leaders made a fruitless attempt to save him but they could not contain the crowd. They initially rescued him and hid him before they were overpowered.

“He was beaten to death by his fellow butchers. His corpse was later taken away by the police,” an eyewitness told Daily Trust.

Another account said some of Buda’s closest business partners who attempted to rescue him sustained injuries and “are currently receiving treatment at the hospital”.


The deceased reportedly hailed from Tambuwal local government area but resided at Gidan Igwe in Sokoto North local government area.

He sold cow entrails at the Sokoto Fish and Vegetables Market.

One of his neighbours identified as Malam Yusuf described his death as painful.

“Usman is my immediate neighbour. He is very religious; in fact, he belonged to Izala sect. We prayed and attended Tafsir together at primary board quarters. There is no way he could make such a statement against the Holy Prophet.

“There must be a reason behind his murder because he is very popular in his business of selling cow entrails and was envied by many of his colleagues,” he said.

A trader who sells perishable goods at Kasuwan Dankure meat and vegetable market whose stand was next to that of Buda also expressed shock over the tragic incident.

“I have not been myself since I heard about what happened. I know Usman liked arguments on religious issues but I didn’t hear him even for once using derogatory remarks against the Prophet’s companions,” he said

However, the specific statement made by Buda which was considered to be blasphemous was not stated in the report.

Meanwhile, the state police command has confirmed the mob killing.

The command said it received a distress call at about 9:20 am that one Usman Buda of Gwandu local government area, a “butcher at Sokoto Abattoir allegedly blasphemed the
Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and as a result, he was mobbed and attacked”.



“Upon receiving the information, the Commissioner of Police, Area Commander Metro and DPO Kwanni led a team of policemen and all other operational commanders to the scene.



“On arrival, the mob escaped the scene and left the victim unconscious where he was rescued and taken to Usmanu Danfodiyo Teaching Hospital Sokoto (UDUTH) for treatment and was later confirmed dead,” a statement signed by the spokesperson for the police command, ASP Ahmad Rufa’I, said.



“Meanwhile, Investigation is on to arrest the perpetrators and bring them to book,” it added



In May 2022, SaharaReporters reported how a female student of Shehu Shagari College of Education in Sokoto, Deborah Samuel, was burnt to death by her colleagues for allegedly insulting Prophet Muhammad.

She was beaten and killed by Muslim students who dragged her out of her hostel.

Meanwhile, her gruesome murder was connected to a voice note the deceased sent to her class WhatsApp group.

According to a Twitter link as seen by SaharaReporters, the female student was said to have sent a voice note, protesting against the incessant sending of ‘unnecessary messages’ to the group by her mates.

Her death attracted the outrage of many Nigerians including the Sultan of Sokoto State, who condemned the unwarranted attack and called on the police to investigate and arrest the perpetrators.

However, over a year after her gruesome murder, the police have yet to arrest any of her killers.

Stories like this for example are what encourages atheism.

If a believe in God or religion can drive me to lay my hands on my fellow human being to the extent of even killing him or her, then I am better off without one.
Remain blessed

Workch:
sincerely, I really do not think you can provide evidence either.

While I am aware that faith is prone to errors, it's okay for people to have faith. We can't all be the empirical guy, you know. So there's beauty in diversity.

I don't have to disprove testimonies, the fact that a pastor who claims to be so powerful cannot heal an amputee in a controlled environment says a lot. It's okay to have such beliefs, even if they are not true. Where we start having issues is if you try to make your faith the universal truth that everyone should be subjected to, we will stay asking you for the evidence at that point.

Have the faith, let it remain in your life. Don't make it a universal truth if you cannot prove it universally.

I don’t believe in any “all powerful pastor” my friend, I believe in an all powerful God. It’s cool that conclusive empirical evidence is your style but that’s not how the Christian faith works because it is individual.

You won’t be able to disprove any persons individual experience to that person because they experienced it and you didn’t. Faith is individual. If someone was physically healed from a disease they were told was incurable there’s not much you or anyone can tell them to disprove their testimony. Showing them a video of a pastor who couldn’t do healings in a laboratory set up by atheists won’t change a thing to that person. Their faith is individual to them.

I doubt many Christian’s are trying to make their faith a universal truth. If so they would be in a lab doing experiments with pastors rather than sharing their individual experiences. They share their personal truth which can help others find this individual truth too. Ultimately Christian’s believe it’s God that saves. You can’t logic someone else into faith unfortunately which is why I’m not really trying to do that here. Just explaining how I believe it works

But people of faith also have a right to influence law, culture and norms just like everyone else. We are all being “subjected to” each other to use your own phrase. Most people believe murder should be illegal. In a democracy it’s perfectly okay for someone to believe that because of their religion and someone else to believe the same for another reason.

wegevv:


I don’t believe in any “all powerful pastor” my friend, I believe in an all powerful God. It’s cool that conclusive empirical evidence is your style but that’s not how the Christian faith works because it is individual.

Well, I do not have issues with your Christian faith as long as you don't make it a universal standard for everyone. There's beauty is diversity.

You won’t be able to disprove any persons individual experience to that person because they experienced it and you didn’t. Faith is individual. If someone was physically healed from a disease they were told was incurable there’s not much you or anyone can tell them to disprove their testimony. Showing them a video of a pastor who couldn’t do healings in a laboratory set up by atheists won’t change a thing to that person. Their faith is individual to them.

Christianity is one of the easiest religion to disprove, however it's difficult to disprove the existence of a god. I am even bothered about disproving one because it doesn't matter to me.
Again, it's good if faith is what you have chosen, just don't use it to dictate how others live their lives like most Christians do. If you do that then you might start facing resistance.

I doubt many Christian’s are trying to make their faith a universal truth. If so they would be in a lab doing experiments with pastors rather than sharing their individual experiences. They share their personal truth which can help others find this individual truth too. Ultimately Christian’s believe it’s God that saves. You can’t logic someone else into faith unfortunately which is why I’m not really trying to do that here. Just explaining how I believe it works

Christians are judgemental and very annoying. Most times they think their is the universal truth and they want you to live by the rules of their Bible. It's where I start having problems with them. They think that they know all and their Bible answers everything when it's obviously not true.
Thr reason why irreligious people usually do not pick on other religion is because other religions do not show off like Christians do.
Christians are braggarts and will easily want to condemn you using their religious rules.

But people of faith also have a right to influence law, culture and norms just like everyone else. We are all being “subjected to” each other to use your own phrase. Most people believe murder should be illegal. In a democracy it’s perfectly okay for someone to believe that because of their religion and someone else to believe the same for another reason.

I live in Lagos, I have not seen a Muslim trying to convert me, I can't count how many Christians who have done that. And the wa they go about it, they make you feel like you are living a miserable life without Jesus. That's annoying and it's why I don't fancy Christians.
They are too full of themselves and their religion. This is why they get attacked alot by irreligious people

Workch:
the egg and the hence theory is actually not very hard to solve, eggs came before hen because eggs has been laid before hens evolved. It's fact.

If everything must be created then your God cannot be exempted from that rule.

Are you saying the egg came before the hen just so that your point will make sense?
Actually the whole idea surrounding that question is that no matter what, everything that was created has a creator.
Our God, created? Everything that was created has a creator. We agree that our earth was created, that means it has a creator. I don't remember agreeing that our God was created, even His Word in the Bible says He wasn't created

Workch:
The Bible is not evidence, the Bible is the claim. And we have seen a lot inconsistencies in this Bible
miracles are claims. If you say you can heal someone from HIV, you have to call us to test it.
We will test 100 patience and confrim that they are HIV positive, then you heal them. After healing, we test again to see that at least 95% of them got healed. 95% level of significance is enough to make a conclusion that Jehovah heals HIV. If not, we cannot believe such claims

there's no evidence that God is in us. Give us the evidence

you didn't prove anything, you made many more claims that you actually need to prove.
whether or not big bang and evolution are true, it still doesn't validate the existence of your god.
There are more than 2000 god claims.

Why do you want him to believe when you don't have evidence to back it?

You said:
1. The Bible is not evidence, it's only claims...
The sooner you understand what the Bible is, the better for us both. The word 'Bible' means 'Book of Books'. It is a compilation of biographies, history documentaries and letters written to different people and for different reasons across a span of hundreds of years. These letters, documentaries and biographies were only compiled recently because it's hard handling them apart. When we say evidence is in the Bible, we are telling you to look at the documented handwork of God that shows in the history that is recorded in that book that is in the Bible. When you call documented history 'claims' then I wonder how you manage to believe documented history from scientists...
2. Miracles are also claims (wow I literally laughed)
So tell me, did we say God is a fairy, waiting to heal all? Or we said He's a Father with emotions and a plan. If He doesn't plan to heal you, shall we then force Him? Try if you can. Then on another level, there has been millions of live miracles where atheists and unbelievers were healed, but you don't accept that as evidence, only claims... You wish to use the power of God to conduct an experiment. Go ahead and good luck
3. No evidence that God is in 'us'
Sorry I didn't say that God is in us (as in me and you)
I meant that God is in us (Christians)
Yes, nothing for you here unless you can be in our body and soul for a few minutes.
4. (Open question for any atheist, don't y'all believe in Big Bang? If not, please how do you think Earth was created?)
5. ... You lost me here. I told him to either believe in healing as the power of God, or as a coincidence. I'm not forcing the young man to believe in God, he has options

Workch:
Okay, what is the evidence for spiritual realm?

Tell me

Please go back and read the first page of the thread.
In summary, the fact that people can tell you the future before it happens (prophets, voodoo priests, mediums etc.) is a sure proof

Have you heard of Astral Projection? It's not a Christian stuff but look it up

Workch:
Evidence is something that is testable and repeatable under a controlled environment.

For example, if I make a claim that I can fly whenever it's raining, no one takes that seriously until I do it. I don't only have to just fly in the rain, I have to be able to repeat it several times to confirm that truly I fly in the rain.

Yoi can't just tell us that your pastor heals cancer and then when we take you to the cancer ward in a hospital, you tell us how God does it his own time. How then do we now confirm that truly your God can heal cancer when it cannot be repeated under a controlled environment?

If I told you that Odin sent a meal to me this morning from the sky, would you be a nitwit to take my word for it if I don't provide evidence?

I'm not sure that's the definition of 'Evidence' but let's flow with it
'Under a controlled environment'. Nice line here
So let's take the cancer example. According to us Christians, our controlled environment means: the person performing the healing must have faith, the person to be healed must have faith, everything must be according to the will of God. Faith simply means (believe in God)
But then you create a large crowd of people that don't have faith, bring in patients that don't have faith and moreover, you don't even know what is that will of God in that situation.
In a church for instance, it may be the will of God for a certain person to be healed, so God arranges and the person comes to church, the pastor just prays for healing without specifying, and the cancer patient just believes in God and get healed. Now you want to whisk that pastor out of a 'controlled environment' and force him to perform an experiment with God?
Sorry the ways of God is not the ways of man

Workch:
You don't get it, this is your claim. You have to provide evidence to me before I ca believe you. That's how it works and how it should work.


good you do, they also think that their own God is superior to yours. They will argue for their God same way you are doing for yours. Taking yourself out of the God claims make you see that everyone is just fighting hard to defend his or her version of God.
If you were born in India, there will 90% chance that Krishna will be the God you will be given to defend by your parents or environment.
I'm not arguing that you have not see. Anything but I don't believe it if you cannot give me an evidence to test.
The bible has many inconsistencies, don't even allow me dissect the bible because you might become very sad when I do

Please 'dissect' the Bible.

Workch:
I have read the Bible more than most Christians. I became irreligious because I took my time to dissect the Bible many times and I found that many things in it are inconsistent with the reality of life.

I was a devoted Christian for 27 years
You will agree with me that most Christians don't even know the Bible, they just accept the interpretations of their pastors.
There's no single evidence in the bible for God. If you want to discuss the Bible with me, you can be my guest.

Now I respect you for your age sir.
Again I agree many Christians don't know the Bible (I've said something similar earlier on)
And yes they accept interpretations of pastors only. (Again I've called those ones hypocrites earlier on.)
But just the same way you have been a Christian (or maybe a church-goer according to a certain man's definition) for 27, I have also been a Church-goer for about 15 years before I finally realized that Christianity is personal, a true pastor can only guide you. And yes, in my small years of being a true Christian, I have seen more than enough authenticity in God's Word.
So let's dissect this Bible one thing at a time, shall we?
To read is one thing, to understand is another

LikeAking:


Excuses.

Why didn't God save Dora's husband..

I guess if he was in a secret cult he would have been saved..

A particular Governor now carry a totem ever since he was close to been assassinated.

Let's tell our selves the bita truth..

This whole God tin is a set up.

Excuses... Noted.

preciousee17:


Now I respect you for your age sir.
Again I agree many Christians don't know the Bible (I've said something similar earlier on)
And yes they accept interpretations of pastors only. (Again I've called those ones hypocrites earlier on.)
But just the same way you have been a Christian (or maybe a church-goer according to a certain man's definition) for 27, I have also been a Church-goer for about 15 years before I finally realized that Christianity is personal, a true pastor can only guide you. And yes, in my small years of being a true Christian, I have seen more than enough authenticity in God's Word.
So let's dissect this Bible one thing at a time, shall we?
To read is one thing, to understand is another

So you think you understand the bible better than those who actually read it and say it's not consistent with reality?

Is the bible consistent with the reality of life in your opinion?

preciousee17:


Please 'dissect' the Bible.

is the Bible consistent with reality?

ReacherSaidNoth:
😆 He was right when he said you don't know the difference between a claim and evidence. Stories in a book cannot be used as evidence for themselves.

You need an education on logical fallacies my friend.

Check the thread (probably 4th page), I think I've now described what the Bible is — if it was written by one man, then you all might just be right

Childfree:


Muslims argue about the Qur'an among themselves. It doesn't makes it anyway true. Your claim is just rubbish.

Hmm, did I say Christianity is true because we argue? No I said that even the Bible has records that the early Christians argued so it's normal.
Then I said that if there are many counterfeits, then there must be an original (mind you, the first creation story was that of Jehovah. The first entity to call Himself God was Jehovah. The first Person that says there is a resurrection after death is Jehovah). Now why are many counterfeits coming up, twisting the whole story?

Still why you don't believe in Allah and Gueq?




Geuq is the true God. Yahweh, Ra, Thor and the other 4k gods are all lies. They are agents of queG trying to deviate people from accepting and worshipping Geuq. How is this not true?



It is not about language interpretation.

Thousands of sect, most have different doctrines, beliefs and what certain verse mean which could be total opposite of the next sect interpretation. Who decides which is true or what a certain verse mean?

I think I explained this, read again
The Bible authenticates itself. If one idea repeats again and again, then it's true.

A supposed omniscient god, communicating through a book which is equivocal lol. You personally interpret it the way you think is right, likewise the next person. Who says your interpretation is the right one?

I think you've mixed up your understanding, now again, no one matches the intelligence of God. God speaks to us personally, literally in our hearts — who do you think we call the Holy Spirit?
We read the Bible to see the stories, patterns, laws, prophecies, teachings, of God. And yes Gad hasn't changed a bit, so if He says "Don't steal" back in 4500BC, then He's still saying "Don't steal" now.

You haven't done anything.
I Childfree make a claim of the miracle (job). How do you preciousee17 know if is true or false?




Curious, when or how would people pay for the atrocities they commit. Since I could be the baddest human ever lived, committing the most heinous crime and sin. It happens I just genuinely repented yesterday and I died today. Taken to heaven?

Oh yes! As simple as that. And I don't see why people refuse to take advantage of that.
Like I'm always awed when God's Word annoys people, very funny that someone literally says, "Don't do bad things, but if you happen to do any bad thing, just ask for forgiveness". And this annoys a great number of people (lol)

A Christian living a rightful way all the 40 years of his existence. His last 2 days he died from mob action because we was caught stealing. No prayers, no asking for forgiveness. So he's a hell candidate?

Oh yes!
Let me use this opportunity to say what many people don't know.
Hell fire is not a place to burn forever, and Heaven is not a place to go and live forever.
In hell, people will pay according to all their sins that were not forgiven. So that elderly Christian man may be paying for only the sin of stealing.
And Heaven is more like a waiting place till God wipes away this old earth and brings a new one (it's happening soon). And everyone who conquered sin will be given a new body, and a crown, and a nation on the new Earth to rule over (and a couple of other rewards). And you'll be rewarded based on your good works. So that man that repented on the last minute will be rewarded based on all his good works only.

An individual who does right, no crime, cheating...and all, who doesn't believe in Yahweh dies. Fire or paradise?

Fire. Yes there's inherited sin, very important to repent of that and all the things you did unknowingly especially at a wrong age.
Now what really qualifies someone for heaven is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died for us and resurrected (quite hard to believe?)

You have sins, you commit sins. So the idea is just don't die with a sin. If you do, straight to fire no matter how you lived your life.

Equally, just don't die with a sin, it doesn't matter how you lived. You'll receive an eternal bliss. Lol

Because we do hear the wicked would burn in hell while the Mick would inherit the kingdom of heaven but I don't see it

It tells a reasonable person a lot about your religion, teaching, what you refer to reward for actions or punishment for actions and the idea of God you claim.



Does that mean Adam and Eve have no free will? Prior to eating the forbidden fruit or whatever in the version of how humans came according to the Israeli tribe mythology.

Remember I said free will can be described as the knowledge of good and evil, and the freedom to do either of them.
Adam and Eve did not know evil or good, yes. Their knowledge was so limited until they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good or evil.

preciousee17:


I'm not sure that's the definition of 'Evidence' but let's flow with it
'Under a controlled environment'. Nice line here
So let's take the cancer example. According to us Christians, our controlled environment means: the person performing the healing must have faith, the person to be healed must have faith, everything must be according to the will of God. Faith simply means (believe in God)

The problem with most Christians is that they think that they know everything and can explain everything with the Bible. What we mean by control environment are environmental parameters that can be manipulated to test a phenomenon. For example, if I say that water melts at 0 degree celcius provided pressure is maintained, the environmental condition are the pressure and temperate.

Let's don't go scientific, so you can actually get it, if I tell you that humans ca walk, this is not true in every environmental condition. Humans can only walk at a certain environmental condition like availability of a walking platform, favorable gravity and pressure. So thr test the hypothesis "humans can walk" you have to control the environment to meet those standards to prove it.

If you want to test a pastor healing cancer, on what conditions that are "measurable" should we test it (measurable is a key word).

But then you create a large crowd of people that don't have faith, bring in patients that don't have faith and moreover, you don't even know what is that will of God in that situation.

Again, you Christians think that you know a lot.
Faith is not a measurable factor, it's not even an environmental factor one can deliberately control. You need to bring yourself down and learn.
If you specify a measurable condition to test it, then we can measure the potency of miracles else it becomes a factor of probabilities and most times it's not statistically significant.

In a church for instance, it may be the will of God for a certain person to be healed, so God arranges and the person comes to church, the pastor just prays for healing without specifying, and the cancer patient just believes in God and get healed. Now you want to whisk that pastor out of a 'controlled environment' and force him to perform an experiment with God?
Sorry the ways of God is not the ways of man

Again, the reason science dont take all these seriously is because you are yet to provide real entities to measure. You can't keo making abstract things up and expect us to take it seriously.
If you say faith determines the level of potency of the miracle, then the question will be:

1. How can we measure faith?
2. What method are we going to accurately measure faith?
3. Then how can we now test the measured level of faith with the potency of miracles.

Without giving us detailed methods to do these, I don't think we can Take you seriously

preciousee17:


Please go back and read the first page of the thread.
In summary, the fact that people can tell you the future before it happens (prophets, voodoo priests, mediums etc.) is a sure proof

Have you heard of Astral Projection? It's not a Christian stuff but look it up

Prophets, voodoo, mediums are claims and not evidence.

Can you agree with me that must Christians don't know what evidence is?

You people don't know what evidence is

preciousee17:


You said:
1. The Bible is not evidence, it's only claims...
The sooner you understand what the Bible is, the better for us both. The word 'Bible' means 'Book of Books'. It is a compilation of biographies, history documentaries and letters written to different people and for different reasons across a span of hundreds of years. These letters, documentaries and biographies were only compiled recently because it's hard handling them apart. When we say evidence is in the Bible, we are telling you to look at the documented handwork of God that shows in the history that is recorded in that book that is in the Bible. When you call documented history 'claims' then I wonder how you manage to believe documented history from scientists...

I understand what the bible. The Bible is another religious book followed by a sect thsy believes that its divine and its the truth and no other book is higher. Every religion think the same about their book
There's no evidence in the Bible, the Bible is the claim that Christians are selling. Just like every other religion.

2. Miracles are also claims (wow I literally laughed)
So tell me, did we say God is a fairy, waiting to heal all? Or we said He's a Father with emotions and a plan. If He doesn't plan to heal you, shall we then force Him? Try if you can. Then on another level, there has been millions of live miracles where atheists and unbelievers were healed, but you don't accept that as evidence, only claims... You wish to use the power of God to conduct an experiment. Go ahead and good luck

miracle are also claim and most times they are bogus. No one has ever presented a duly tested miracle.

3. No evidence that God is in 'us'
Sorry I didn't say that God is in us (as in me and you)
I meant that God is in us (Christians)
Yes, nothing for you here unless you can be in our body and soul for a few minutes.

again, this is what you been taught in your religion, other religions think otherwise and it doesn't mean that yours is the truth. Evidence is needed to prove it.

4. (Open question for any atheist, don't y'all believe in Big Bang? If not, please how do you think Earth was created?)
5. ... You lost me here. I told him to either believe in healing as the power of God, or as a coincidence. I'm not forcing the young man to believe in God, he has options

I am not an atheist and I don't understand what big bang got to do with the existence of a god.
For the records, I don't know if a god exist or not, when I mean a god, I mean a creator but I am sure that this God does not have the attributes that Christians are selling even if he exists. We have confirmed so many times that the claims of Christians about the attributes of god is false and mostly vague.
Albiet, I still think we have many things to learn frkm Christians doctrines with respect to kindness and I like the life of Christ but it doesn't mean that the literal stories in the Bible are true. It will make sense if you see them as allegories.

LordReed:


I don't believe in any god because there is no concrete evidence to support such a belief.

Noted. You can go through the thread and entertain yourself
Then you can ask something, or debunk something too.

LordReed:


That is the problem they do not repeat themselves. Has anybody turned water to wine in a controlled environment?

I'm nearly laughing now
What was the controlled environment back then?
1. No one asked for it except the mother of Jesus (mother of the pastor performing the miracle for instance)
2. Jesus wasn't invited to the party to turn water into wine (I'm guessing you'll have to invite a pastor to your occasion with the intention of forcing him to perform an experiment)
3. Nobody knew what was going to happen, even as it happened no one knew, only Jesus, His mom and the servants that filled those jars with water

Now let me tell you a type of miracle that have occurred following that pattern: poisons have been turned to normal food.

Workch:
are you ready to show me anything invented by a Christian via revelation, testimonies and prayers. Show me a single in science invented by a Christian without a practicable evidence.

Oh, how did weapons of war get invented?
War tactics? Instruments of music? Haven't you heard in the news that the remains of Noah's Ark was discovered? (That kind of news won't be publicized and that was the first ship in the world). What of clothes? Bells etc. All those things from the time of the Bible, isn't it only passing through redesign now?

FxMasterz:


I have personal evidence, that's why I'm telling you that I cannot deny my personal experiences in preference for defective logic. Who follows anything blindly without evidence? The fact that atheists believe we serve God without evidence is enough a reason to dismiss them as unintelligent people. How can anyone think so coindescendingly of billions of people who practice a faith? Among them are scientists and well accomplished individuals. Such a reasoning is absurd.

The physical realm and spiritual realm are worlds apart. You can use the physical to prove the spiritual but you can see the influence of the spiritual in the physical. Such influences as Providence, nemesis, conscience and intuition, including universally accepted unwritten moral laws.

Now, if you want me to give you evidence for God, first explain to me how you'll prove to a blind man that a moon exists.

I love this 😂
Exactly the kind of response Jesus gave to Pharisees and the likes

'How can we prove to a blind man that the moon exists' 📌

Workch:

We are not talking about blind man and moon here, we are talking about your God and his existences

Till you confront the things you have been asked, I'm not sure I can take your argument seriously anymore. Already you've said the same thing over and over again and I'd love to hear something new.

In this case, we Christians can see
You Atheists can't see.
How do we prove to you that the moon exists?

Don't dodge this

preciousee17:


Noted. You can go through the thread and entertain yourself
Then you can ask something, or debunk something too.

preciousee17:


I'm nearly laughing now
What was the controlled environment back then?
1. No one asked for it except the mother of Jesus (mother of the pastor performing the miracle for instance)
2. Jesus wasn't invited to the party to turn water into wine (I'm guessing you'll have to invite a pastor to your occasion with the intention of forcing him to perform an experiment)
3. Nobody knew what was going to happen, even as it happened no one knew, only Jesus, His mom and the servants that filled those jars with water

Now let me tell you a type of miracle that have occurred following that pattern: poisons have been turned to normal food.

You claimed that the miracles have been repeated in a controlled environment so can you change water to wine or can anybody anywhere change water to wine in a controlled environment?

All I want to know is can "poisons have been turned to normal food" be done in a controlled environment?

Workch:
the blind man and the moon analogy you brought up is a strawman.

If I tell you that Christian ls are not logically very sound, you will get triggered. Stay on the topic and prove your God into existence.

You actually searched Google for the answer to this question... Wow, so desperate