stillwater:

Not true. The lace in Nigeria is from Europe, especially Austria. What Yorubas can claim is Aso-Oke, adire. Those are the two I know of. It's just like Nigerians claiming ankara.

Only the Igbos/South -south used to wear George in the past. For women, they tie the george as a wrapper and use lace as a top. Today, any female can use george and sew it to any style they want.

In the past also, Yorubas stuck to Aso-oke gele, Igbo people stuck to this paper-textured head-tie (don't know the name). Today everyone uses that paper-textured head-tie.

Nope Lace has been a Nigerian thing before it is been mass produced in Europe.

The first set of people to develop clothing are the Nupes which was introduced to hausa, Yoruba, bini, and igala

Lace was also a form of aso oke which is not original yoruba but Nupe.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA174&dq=clothing+yoruba&hl=en&ei=NrDKTvKZB8PL8QOYqoR5&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clothing%20yoruba&f=false




It was in until the 1970s that Lace the design started getting imported from europe because the production of cloths using the old conversional method took weeks to weave alone.

Here is the cloth gele

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSb2TzY2c-fw2q-_CAkL19toeAgxHKar5vk3D68IrhbbybeB9Pd[/img]


Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSavT47b1yIr1iFBbA6B5cqNmKdO15iL7rCfhWjTUT-EpwNPe4cRw[/img]

Here is aso Oke

which can be sworn to be gele or buba. It is still the same material

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG7xfrzq0q1xs3QViy5-K22vfCMvjrdAAt7Ztst_XKNuCwmRk_[/img]


Also called shine-shine aso oke aka the nylon or paper gele you were talking about

stillwater:

Only the Igbos/South -south used to wear George in the past. For women, they tie the george as a wrapper and use lace as a top. Today, any female can use george and sew it to any style they want.

In the past also, Yorubas stuck to Aso-oke gele, Igbo people stuck to this paper-textured head-tie (don't know the name). Today everyone uses that paper-textured head-tie.

Very wrong madam, the so called wrapper by the south-south or Igbos were introduced by the binis through the Nupes and Igalas in the 18th century

People back then in the region use to wear leaves or maximum animal skins.

Today not everyone uses the paper-textured head gear. In fact the paper texture head gear are the imported ones gotten from the yoruba people but modified because Head gears is hard to make and uses alot of cotton.

The paper is a cheaper way of making head gear.

Do you even know that it was also introduced to the ashanti by the hausa and yorubas in the 17-18 century

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MhOJheUc4pkC&pg=PA184&dq=gele+headgear&hl=en&ei=S6zKTqW1HYTq8QPS9NG5Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=gele%20headgear&f=false



Per conlonial Nigeria before Igbo yoruba and kanuri knew each other

this was kanuri/ northern dressing in the 14 century

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjtxYYqaLdpChDtjPQIPlx4d6PXbluYKibbRFM2HCdtaWIWZFu[/img]

This was the benin in the 16 th century or so

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW49lCacjSWifIYSNHDblN58nS4C6bowwsYx_L59GFCv02dgC4[/img]

Queen Amina head gear back in the 12th century

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZX3M024kN4RC2DZ8w8yh_kgpB4ku5wobkf5Un6zlT6_m08X_zpQ[/img]

Here another ORIGNIAL GELE before the cheaper synthetic although better gele was imported from austria, china etc

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQc6b_86_j63LYoIhW5V3R_LTFhjIWI3fVs6vLf_buLnEa3FLdg[/img]

igbo women during aba riot wearing aso oko AFTER THE AMAGAMTION OF Nigeria. LOve the women


[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7UjLxKfl-oAAbwbP9ZV6Hx5lbqnwV34FxRYVy2w4ZtnIAbAiRfA[/img]

Before this, most igbo clans were nake or used leaves, I ma sure you watch nollywood as well

@Ileke-IdI
The closeness of Itsekiri does not interfere with the mixture of culture and cultural adoptation of Yorubas by other regions.
PS: I'd say Binis are closer than Itsekiris.

Ok, thanks for clearing that. I initially thought you meant language wise.

Al harem you've started again.

Can you explain this lie of yours about nupe introducing clothing maybe to your own tribe (not yoruba).

There are multiple threads running concurrently rght now discussing yoruba history and anyone can see clothes on the 10th century sculptures.

Please let go of this your jealousy and in any case just stick to kanuri matters like i told you before.

If you must lie, why not lie intelligently instead of following all these nl liers who lie like ill bred goats.

alj_harem:

igbo women during aba riot wearing aso oko AFTER THE AMAGAMTION OF Nigeria. LOve the women


[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7UjLxKfl-oAAbwbP9ZV6Hx5lbqnwV34FxRYVy2w4ZtnIAbAiRfA[/img]

Before this, most igbo clans were nake or used leaves, I ma sure you watch nollywood as well

I call upon Amadioha, Ala Ogbaga, ajana, arusi Isinweke, Agbara nsu, oti mma nkwu and all the messengers of eastern Nigeria to turn your brains to foolishness.

Andre Uweh:

I call upon Amadioha, Ala Ogbaga, ajana, arusi Isinweke, Agbara nsu, oti mma nkwu and all the messengers of eastern Nigeria to turn your brains to foolishness.

LOL what did I do wrong

you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what a forum is for.

I though you said you were a Christian, why calling all those deities

eh andre, well You know who protects me. Allah/ God

and if you don't retract that statement, I can further explain

Cha cha cha igbo kwenu, why is it dat akpata oyi catches some people when dey hear or feel d presence of igbos.Some even open their mouth talk say when dem dey wear cloth, igbo people dey waka naked for forest,hmm.I wan make una find way read "the interesting narrative of the life of olaudah equiano" , an igbo slave that was sold to the caribean and the first black man to publish a book.In his book, if narrated how the women weaved cloths from cotton and even dyed them plus other interesting facts of how the igbos lived during the 18th century.ehee , lets i forget e be like say some people never hear of the akwete cloth woven by the ndoki and asa people as far back as the 19th century.

Martmore:

Cha cha cha igbo kwenu, why is it dat akpata oyi catches some people when dey hear or feel d presence of igbos.Some even open their mouth talk say when dem dey wear cloth, igbo people dey waka Unclad for forest,hmm.I wan make una find way read "the interesting narrative of the life of olaudah equiano" , an igbo slave that was sold to the caribean and the first black man to publish a book.In his book, if narrated how the women weaved cloths from cotton and even dyed them plus other interesting facts of how the igbos lived during the 18th century.ehee , lets i forget e be like say some people never hear of the akwete cloth woven by the ndoki and asa people as far back as the 19th century.

I would advice you to take the adivce I gave andre uweh

If you do not know the history of cloth making in Nigeria, JUST KEEP SHUT OR RATHER CALL YOUR DIETIES LIKE ANDRE AND START YOU INCARNATIONS.

Nwanne Andre, I am waiting. I don't understand how uncultured a man can be

alj_harem:

LOL what did I do wrong

you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what a forum is for.

I though you said you were a Christian, why calling all those deities

eh andre, well You know who protects me. Allah/ God

and if you don't retract that statement, I can further explain

Am sorry for unleashing this high messengers on you. No harm meant, and nothing will happen to you. Just to shake you a little bit about what you said about Igbo women. Ndigbo interested in this thread will not be happy with what you wrote about the Igbo women earlier. You can see some of them have started complaining. Pleae be careful about what you say about Igbo people, who are also a part of your blood.
Ndo.

Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism. Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth.

However, multicoloured cloth actually appeared in the 1600s. By this time, those who were wealthy enough to afford it wore multicoloured cloth and those who couldnt resorted to ordinary cloth or animal hide.

In the 1700s, different types of coloured cloth were already well established. Some communities in South eastern Nigeria even produced and distributed their own types of coloured cloth. By the early 1900s, we see the formation of the type of traditional clothes now recognized as Igbo. It was in the early 1900s that Igbo women started wearing head-ties aka "aku isi" and a second wrapper andd Igbo men began wearing Isiagu and other articles of clothing.

So in short, the rumour that Igbo people, or another South Eastern people for that matter, were Unclad prior to 1900 isnt true.
The attire shown in this photo is dated to around the 1800s.

Andre Uweh:

Am sorry for unleashing this high messengers on you. No harm meant, and nothing will happen to you. Just to shake you a little bit about what you said about Igbo women. Ndigbo interested in this thread will not be happy with what you wrote about the Igbo women earlier. You can see some of them have started complaining. Pleae be careful about what you say about Igbo people, who are also a part of your blood.
Ndo.

Thank you brother, Apologises accepted

I am not trying to downgrade Ndi igbo here. I have left tribalism, you need to know that

I was trying to explain how clothing happened and you started insulting me. I am hurt nwanne/brother You my friend andre, i mean shocked as well

it is alright brother.



Should I show you some of the articules I got from the precolonial era thing so you can see that I am not lying. Is ndi igbo not better than those that had clothes then ? So don't worry this is just history we are talking about

Ofcourse today in Nigeria, Ndi igbo women have the most flamboyant and colourful dress sense which I AND CHYZ agreed to.

I was trying to explain how clothing happened

and you are?

how can you explain what you're ignorant about?

typical nl!!!

odumchi:

Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism.

Yes correct sir

odumchi:

Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth.

No sir, even clothing did not enter Nigeria for thousands of YEARS. The off white unpattern cloth was started by nupe people which was about 900 years ago to a 1000 years.

this was passed to the yorubas then passed to the bini then igbos which happened of resent

odumchi:

Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism. Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth.

However, multicoloured cloth actually appeared in the 1600s. By this time, those who were wealthy enough to afford it wore multicoloured cloth and those who couldnt resorted to ordinary cloth or animal hide.

In the 1700s, different types of coloured cloth were already well established. Some communities in South eastern Nigeria even produced and distributed their own types of coloured cloth. By the early 1900s, we see the formation of the type of traditional clothes now recognized as Igbo. It was in the early 1900s that Igbo women started wearing head-ties aka "aku isi" and a second wrapper andd Igbo men began wearing Isiagu and other articles of clothing.

So in short, the rumour that Igbo people, or another South Eastern people for that matter, were Unclad prior to 1900 isnt true.
The attire shown in this photo is dated to around the 1800s.

The pciture is from a Nolly wood movie. I can show you pictures from 18th centruy people.

Moreover, there are records I can show you as well but I don't want to hurt anyones feelings

alj_harem:

Nope Lace has been a Nigerian thing before it is been mass produced in Europe.

The first set of people to develop clothing are the Nupes which was introduced to hausa, Yoruba, bini, and igala

Lace was also a form of aso oke which is not original yoruba but Nupe.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA174&dq=clothing+yoruba&hl=en&ei=NrDKTvKZB8PL8QOYqoR5&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clothing%20yoruba&f=false




It was in until the 1970s that Lace the design started getting imported from europe because the production of cloths using the old conversional method took weeks to weave alone.

Here is the cloth gele

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSb2TzY2c-fw2q-_CAkL19toeAgxHKar5vk3D68IrhbbybeB9Pd[/img]


Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSavT47b1yIr1iFBbA6B5cqNmKdO15iL7rCfhWjTUT-EpwNPe4cRw[/img]

Here is aso Oke

which can be sworn to be gele or buba. It is still the same material

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG7xfrzq0q1xs3QViy5-K22vfCMvjrdAAt7Ztst_XKNuCwmRk_[/img]


Also called shine-shine aso oke aka the nylon or paper gele you were talking about

Maybe that was in the past, the lace the OP posted in the first page is from Europe o. That's the lace I'm talking about.
The paper-textured gele was an Igbo or South/south thing. . .and those are imported too from Asia o.
This is the paper/nylon gele I'm talking. What do they call them anyway?

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg
[/img]

You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves.
The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire.

I looked at your link, where does it talk about the paper-gele?

tpia@:



and you are?

how can you explain what you're ignorant about?

typical nl!!!

Haba, Iya, e ma bi nu. Yes it was not the nupes but the yorubas, my mistake.

I am not trying to down grade the yorubas either.

Yoruba people found colour/ dye called adire for clothing.

se e bi nu se mi mor

stillwater:

Maybe that was in the past, the lace the OP posted in the first page is from Europe o. That's the lace I'm talking about.
The paper-textured gele was an Igbo or South/south thing. . .and those are imported too from Asia o.
This is the paper/nylon gele I'm talking. What do they call them anyway?

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg
[/img]

You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves.
The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire.

I looked at your link, where does it talk about the paper-gele?

Nywanne. I love the way you came back.   

is paper headgear you are refering about the same as the nylon or synthetic headgear ?
if so it is of a recent invertion from the original gele and made from nylon to reduce cost

al harem

^^just stay out of issues that dont concern you- is that too much to ask.

if you must put mouth in things that are none of your business, then learn to speak respectfully and not like an ego addled ignoramus.

got it now?

and is there a particular reason why an old man like you cant discuss your native kanuri affairs but must ever stumble all over other people's own?

Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon

do you see your life?

have you never heard of damask before- if not then thank me for educating you.

Alj Harem, I don't need anything that you can possibly offer me. I've scanned through most of the information that you posted and most of it is nothing mere than fallacy.

Anyway, just to add to my previous post, Akwete cloth and George cloth also originated in cloth-producing communities in South Eastern Nigeria.

stillwater:

Maybe that was in the past, the lace the OP posted in the first page is from Europe o. That's the lace I'm talking about.
The paper-textured gele was an Igbo or South/south thing. . .and those are imported too from Asia o.
This is the paper/nylon gele I'm talking. What do they call them anyway?

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg
[/img]

You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves.
The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire.

I looked at your link, where does it talk about the paper-gele?

You're right.

You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves.
The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire.

the double wrapper is tied in central africa as well as southeastern/southsouthern nigeria.

there's stronger central african influence in those areas [through the midwest as well], hence the shared attire.

the central african influence in the southwest isnt as strong.

So is there a precise answer to my gele question?

What did you ask?

odumchi:

What did you ask?

question on the previous 2 pages.

Everybody wants the Igbo peoples attention. Even those ran through by Arabs.

From the comments am reading here its sounded like someone is saying the Igbos didnt have weaving industry just like the other nigerian groups had in the 18th and 19th centuries!! How about the famous akwete cloth in Igbo land ??

NRI PRIEST:

From the comments am reading here its sounded like someone is saying the Igbos didnt have weaving industry just like the other nigerian groups had in the 18th and 19th centuries!! How about the famous akwete cloth in Igbo land ??

Do you need to dignify such nonsense? When Eastern Nigeria was the only place with a sort of indigenous writing?

@ Stillwater, if you were asking for the name of headscarf in Igbo, its called Ichafu

Ezeagu, nwanne odikwa egwu !! Some guy here even said Igbos are the "MOST UNIMAGINATIVE" group in Nigeria !! Can you imagine somebody saying such about people who invented their own days of the week, invented 13 lunar months of the year and named them(just like the romans have jan to dec),invented their own writing pattern!! If such people are not imaginative I wonder whats else

TUFIAKWA!AND GOD FORBID THAT GREEN SNAKE IN GREEN GRASS AKA ALHJ_HARAM,I REJECT THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN COS IT WILL NEVER BE CASE AND GOD WILL CONTINUE PUNISHING HIM HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FOR HIS HATES BOTH IN THE HIDEN AND IN THE OPEN.   TUFIAKWA AS MANY TIMES AS HIS HATES AND PLOTS.

Andre Uweh:

Am sorry for unleashing this high messengers on you. No harm meant, and nothing will happen to you. Just to shake you a little bit about what you said about Igbo women. Ndigbo interested in this thread will not be happy with what you wrote about the Igbo women earlier. You can see some of them have started complaining. Pleae be careful about what you say about Igbo people, who are also a part of your blood.
Ndo.